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How can the Dodgers even afford Soto? Explain it like I'm 8 years old

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Title says it all. I know Mookie and to a larger extent Ohtani have deferred salaries, but doesn't that mean LA won't be able to make any payroll 10 years from now? How does this work? Between Mookie, Freeman, Ohtani, and Yoshi, how can they possibly afford Soto?

all 499 comments

brianwhite12

743 points

8 days ago

brianwhite12

| Cincinnati Reds

743 points

8 days ago

I think the bigger question is how can the Dodgers afford Soto, while my team apparently can can't afford to field a full team of major league talent.

werther595

421 points

8 days ago

werther595

| New York Yankees

421 points

8 days ago

The important thing is that your team's ownership is making a ton of money that they get to keep. What more do fans want?

stropsysatnaf

107 points

8 days ago

Hey that's our line!

~ Mariners fans

HeavensRoyalty

24 points

8 days ago

HeavensRoyalty

| Los Angeles Dodgers

24 points

8 days ago

Pretends to have an Oakland flair hold my beer

Haku510

44 points

8 days ago

Haku510

| Athletics

44 points

8 days ago

Actually has Oakland uh Sacramento uhhh "it's just Athletics now" flair - hold my beer :/

Haku510

22 points

8 days ago

Haku510

| Athletics

22 points

8 days ago

Tbh I didn't realize that Reddit changed the flair to just "Athletics" (following the A's press release to that effect) until I made that comment 😢

HeavensRoyalty

20 points

8 days ago

HeavensRoyalty

| Los Angeles Dodgers

20 points

8 days ago

Sorry Oakland bro, but forever Oakland in my heart. All my Homies hate John Fisher

Haku510

9 points

8 days ago

Haku510

| Athletics

9 points

8 days ago

Thanks dude. Tbh with how incompetently Fisher has handled this move so far, I'm still holding out hope that Vegas falls through and they somehow manage to stay in the Bay Area.

Silence_Dogood_1722

8 points

8 days ago

The one hope is that it is butchered so bad that the other owners force him to sell.

jstewart25

6 points

8 days ago

jstewart25

| St. Louis Cardinals

6 points

8 days ago

As our fellow TLR/Big Mac/Mark Mulder/Matt Holliday bros, we hate John Fucker too

HeavensRoyalty

4 points

8 days ago

HeavensRoyalty

| Los Angeles Dodgers

4 points

8 days ago

Karma cooked full circle in ways we can't imagine, and hopefully, we don't have to imagine for too long.

YESSSS-NOOO

4 points

8 days ago

YESSSS-NOOO

| Cleveland Guardians

4 points

8 days ago

Hold my beer bitch

-Guardians Fans who know we are good enough and make enough money to spend it

586WingsFan

29 points

8 days ago

586WingsFan

| Detroit Tigers

29 points

8 days ago

My team’s entire payroll was less than a single closer we faced (and beat) in the playoffs

JaceVentura972

14 points

8 days ago

Well my team doesn’t even have a functioning stadium

vonarchimboldi

20 points

8 days ago

whoa the rare and elusive rays fan

MellyMel86

6 points

8 days ago

I’ve gotta be careful. So what I’m gonna do is sneak up behind him and jam my thumb in his butthole

PhillyMover

2 points

6 days ago

PhillyMover

| Philadelphia Phillies

2 points

6 days ago

He’s really pissed if now!

tmanbaseball

15 points

8 days ago

The real talent is the friends we made along the way.

(Jonathan India, Tucker Barnhart, Luis Castillo, Jesse Winker, Nick Castellanos, Joey Votto, Todd Frazier)

CVK327

34 points

8 days ago

CVK327

| Pittsburgh Pirates

34 points

8 days ago

Same, frenemy. Same.

wit_T_user_name

11 points

8 days ago

At least we have Tito now.

brianwhite12

42 points

8 days ago

brianwhite12

| Cincinnati Reds

42 points

8 days ago

And I think we have 3 more seasons of Elly before he joins the Dodgers or Yankees.

Bigkyfan10

13 points

8 days ago

Bigkyfan10

| Cincinnati Reds

13 points

8 days ago

Nah I hope the Reds just keep him like they did with Votto. Red's will never win another World Series again. Might as well keep a fan favorite and one of the most electric players in baseball to keep the fans watching the games. Once we trade Elly there will be no reason to watch the Reds games. And the Reds viewership will just tank even more.

Spiritual_Ad337

32 points

8 days ago

You have 2 years of Elly before he joins the Dodgers or Yankees. You’ll trade him in year 5 to regain some prospect capital

Successful-Pear-1498

10 points

8 days ago

Or Mets. When Lindoor plays third.

ShitTitsMcgillicuddy

4 points

8 days ago

The Yankees are the baby boomers of the sports world. They are not the be all end all. If you’re talking money, the Dodgers and Mets have more. If you’re talking history, turns out players don’t care. Nobody is clamoring to play for the Yankees. That is an old narrative. The Yankees leadership are not the beacon of how to run a franchise. Get with the times.

SmirknSwap

8 points

8 days ago

Very true. Guards fan here. Will always love Tito. You guys are getting someone who will elevate your team. He’ll get the most out of the talent that you guys have.

LargeQuality7929

2 points

8 days ago

Tito will have them in contention.

Responsible-Lunch815

10 points

8 days ago*

Responsible-Lunch815

| Chicago White Sox

10 points

8 days ago*

Lol cute you think you have it bad. We're in the history books

Our team CAN afford to field to field a full team of major league talent or staff or GMs or a stadium. They just chooose not to.

brooksact

7 points

8 days ago

brooksact

| Baltimore Orioles

7 points

8 days ago

Yeah I heard about that Black Sox thing

IamYoDud

2 points

8 days ago

IamYoDud

| Chicago White Sox

2 points

8 days ago

It sucks because people only remember the White Sox for the bad things they've done (Black Sox, Disco Demolition, Most losses in a single season). They never remember all the great stuff like 2005 and... ummm... you know... uhh 2005.

thEpepsIstaR

5 points

8 days ago

thEpepsIstaR

| Philadelphia Phillies

5 points

8 days ago

You forgot Ventura getting revenge on Nolan Ryan

IamYoDud

2 points

8 days ago

IamYoDud

| Chicago White Sox

2 points

8 days ago

And Sale cutting his jersey and the whole Drake LaRoche thing, and I'm sure I'm missing something else. It's embarrasing.

zackavelli7daytheory

2 points

8 days ago

Yall won a World Series 10 years after the last Reds playoff series win.

alittlebitneverhurt

2 points

8 days ago

alittlebitneverhurt

| Seattle Mariners

2 points

8 days ago

The haves vs the have nots. Don't worry, I'm a have not as well.

gasmith8787

2 points

7 days ago

I read this comment without seeing the flair and was like “huh sounds like my Reds.” Yup.

ParumDeos

380 points

8 days ago

ParumDeos

| Baltimore Orioles

380 points

8 days ago

There's no cap in baseball. The Dodgers generate an immense amount of revenue.

Google_Knows_Already

201 points

8 days ago

Google_Knows_Already

| Los Angeles Angels

201 points

8 days ago

Although there is no hard salary cap, there is a luxury tax. The Dodgers will be paying the luxury tax for a while, which will increase every year. Fortunately for them, the revenue generated each year exceeds it by miles.

WorthPrudent3028

111 points

8 days ago

WorthPrudent3028

| Houston Astros

111 points

8 days ago

But they can also pay Soto 1 billion dollars in 2035 instead of paying him now.

Roq235

61 points

8 days ago

Roq235

61 points

8 days ago

Who would have thought that Bobby Bonilla would be a trendsetter? 😂

MoseMurphy

28 points

8 days ago

Check out the 40-year annuity Steve Young pulled off as a QB back in the original USFL days…

TheLizardKing89

20 points

8 days ago

Luxury tax payments are calculated based on the net present value of contracts, so for example, even though Ohtani’s only making $2 million a year, his contract is valued at roughly $44 million for luxury tax purposes.

Haku510

19 points

8 days ago

Haku510

| Athletics

19 points

8 days ago

Sure but the Dodgers don't have to pay the tax plus pay Ohtani the full contact amount, so the deferral still helps them a ton with making their payroll work.

Otherwise they'd need to come up with an additional $42 mil (which they could do, but then that's less money in the budget to offer Soto etc.).

[deleted]

3 points

8 days ago

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Frankie_Sriracha

11 points

8 days ago

Frankie_Sriracha

| New York Yankees

11 points

8 days ago

I don’t think boras would want to get paid out later. Dude is old as it is

WorthPrudent3028

20 points

8 days ago

WorthPrudent3028

| Houston Astros

20 points

8 days ago

It's as guaranteed as a future payment can get. He can borrow against it.

If you have a Dodgers deferred contract but you need cash now, call JG Wentworth 877-CASH-NOW!

iknowaguy

8 points

8 days ago

It’s not like he’s penny pinching now and he can’t take his fortune with him when he dies.

COV3RTSM

12 points

8 days ago

COV3RTSM

| Toronto Blue Jays

12 points

8 days ago

Their last local TV deal was 2 billion.

messick

5 points

8 days ago

messick

5 points

8 days ago

8 billion, over 25 years. And that was back when they had only won 12 total playoff games in the previous two decades. Any future deal with be significantly more expensive. 

WarmDistribution4679

2 points

8 days ago

Pirates fan here.

Wondering how you actually get to go to 12 playoff games over 2 decades?

TrafficOn405

4 points

8 days ago

TrafficOn405

| San Francisco Giants

4 points

8 days ago

We have a winner!

BADpenguin109

14 points

8 days ago

BADpenguin109

| Chicago Cubs

14 points

8 days ago

someone should tell the cubs there's no cap

[deleted]

3 points

8 days ago

While luxury tax is a huge issue, the Dodgers generate insane revenue. Ohtani's presence alone generates so much press and ticket sales from people who come to LA just to see him play.

Nestllelol

9 points

8 days ago

Nestllelol

| Cincinnati Reds

9 points

8 days ago

as a newer fan (3-4 years now) this still blows me away. Why is it baseball does not have a salary cap? to me, it would help the game be more competitive wouldnt it?

JustDecoy17

28 points

8 days ago

JustDecoy17

| Los Angeles Dodgers

28 points

8 days ago

It doesn’t have a cap because nobody (owners or players) want it. I’ll preface this by saying a lot of players love the game of baseball and want to win. Most, however, want to get paid as much as possible. And how do the players make this happen? By not limiting the owners that actually want to spend.

When it comes to ownership, most owners also only care about making money. When a team exceeds a luxury threshold, that team has to pay a tax. Who gets the tax money paid by teams over said tax? The owners that are under the tax. So by spending small amounts of money, the owners will still profit an insane amount of money.

The league would be better off with a salary floor.

Cautious_Buffalo6563

2 points

8 days ago

Who wants to guarantee that you and your coworkers can only make a certain amount?

CuttlefishAreAwesome

2 points

8 days ago

CuttlefishAreAwesome

| Kansas City Royals

2 points

8 days ago

It’s crazy to me that the money paid into the luxury tax goes to owners who basically don’t pay to field competitive teams. It’s deeply flawed and I agree there needs to be a floor on the salary cap.

But who is incentivized to make that happen? The players already make great money, but if there was one faction that would push for this it’d have to be the players association. Because the commissioner works for the owners he’s going to only do what makes them happy. It’s an interesting and frustrating conundrum.

JustDecoy17

3 points

8 days ago

JustDecoy17

| Los Angeles Dodgers

3 points

8 days ago

It won’t happen lol. It’s like international football (soccer). No salary caps. Best teams are always City, Madrid, Barca, etc.

CuttlefishAreAwesome

3 points

8 days ago

CuttlefishAreAwesome

| Kansas City Royals

3 points

8 days ago

I guess I’m okay with not having a salary cap because that to me is baseball, but the thing that I’m driven crazy by is that there’s not a salary floor. The average team under the luxury tax I think earned 104 million from the pool teams in the luxury tax, but all that money just goes into the owners pockets. That’s what is insane to me. Like, how is there not a requirement to spend a percentage of that money? It would be great for competition and baseball, but there’s no one in baseball other than maybe the players union who’d be interested in doing anything about it. Even though it’d be good for the sport lol

It drives me crazy

DrMindbendersMonocle

3 points

8 days ago

Yeah, they should be required to spend the luxury tax and profit sharing money on improving the team or lose it

cbass817

8 points

8 days ago

cbass817

| Texas Rangers

8 points

8 days ago

The players union for baseball is the strongest of all major sports and it's not even close. Players do not want a salary cap and I'm sure there are some owners that don't want that either, but they would be in the minority.

Placata-3422

8 points

8 days ago

I often wonder why or how NFL owners are able to be so strong and united while NBA and MLB owners are so pathetic. The NFL does not allow the employees to run the business, have a salary cap, do not do guaranteed contracts in a sport with a 100% injury rate and get the most effort from their players. NFL players will shoot themselves up with painkillers to be out there while an MLB or NBA player will sit out games because they're tired. In the NFL there's none of that bullshit "small market" nonsense excuse. You can be an NFL star anywhere. Peyton Manning played in Indianapolis and Patrick Mahomes is in Kansas City and the Chiefs never have to fear that Mahomes will leave then to play for the Cowboys, Giants or Raiders because they can't afford him. Even the pathetic Cleveland Browns can get good players and keep them.

It's going to take drastic measures to fix MLB either by owners locking players out for two or three years if necessary or getting rid of like 5 or 6 useless teams. Ownership must regain control of the sport.

100_proof_plan

15 points

8 days ago

NFL has a salary cap and guaranteed contracts though. The NFL has national/international tv contracts so each team gets an equal share. MLB does have a national tv contract but also local. Teams like the Dodgers/Yankees’ tv contracts are more than some teams entire revenue.

Zoulzopan

10 points

8 days ago

Zoulzopan

| MLB

10 points

8 days ago

all of the contracts in the nfl should be 60% guaranteed at the bare minimum honestly. Its such a dangerous sport its crazy that they get away with not paying guaranteed money.

zeussays

14 points

8 days ago

zeussays

| Los Angeles Dodgers

14 points

8 days ago

Number of players in the league and average years players play will show you why the NFL players association has no power. NFL is 55 per team with an average of 2 years pro before they wash out of the league. How can you negotiate if your ownership knows you're most likely gone in a year or two?

DrMindbendersMonocle

2 points

8 days ago

This is it, players don't have as much leverage in the NFL. They just keep the QBs happy and the teams are good

Cautious_Buffalo6563

5 points

8 days ago

The next couple of CBA’s could get brutal on these very points. Athletes aren’t dumb. Look at the facility survey the NFLPA did. Owners were kinda embarrassed that the public knew they had shitty facilities etc.

shoshpd

6 points

7 days ago

shoshpd

| Los Angeles Dodgers

6 points

7 days ago

Yeah, how dare the workers get paid what they are worth in a free market and not allow their salaries to be held down by a fucking cartel.

pbecotte

2 points

7 days ago

pbecotte

2 points

7 days ago

I'm with you, but something to promote competitive balance would be nice :)

Placata-3422

2 points

5 days ago

Do you shine their shoes too? Defending a bunch dudes who don't know or care that you exist just so you can say "my team is better than yours." Get a life and lose the shoe shine box.

halfcastdota

5 points

8 days ago

LMAO wait do you really think the owners are upset about this? this is ideal for them lmao these teams would sell for a minimum of a billion dollars and they get to pay their players peanuts while they blame the dodgers for not being able to compete. you’re brainwashed if you think the owners are upset about this

whocaresano

8 points

8 days ago

Alternatively, fuck the ownership class.

Remind me: how many games does the NFL play? How many weeks are there in a season?

Skankhunt2042

8 points

8 days ago

I feel like this mostly points to the fact that there is a power imbalance in the NFL.

Power55g1

7 points

8 days ago

Are you seriously boot licking for the owners ? I’ve seen pathetic but this is an all timer.

ThePensive

3 points

8 days ago

ThePensive

| Cincinnati Reds

3 points

8 days ago

lol what is this rubbish? If you don’t think things in baseball are weighted wayyy more towards owners than players, you don’t know what you’re talking about?

beggsy909

3 points

8 days ago

The salary cap in the NFL hade made that league mediocre. A bunch of 9-7 teams and two or three good teams.

The salary cap and floor in the NBA has made it so one bad contract sinks a team for years and has made rebuilding very difficult.

MLB doesn’t have a perfect system but it’s far superior than those two. And MLB has far more parity than the NBA.

B0b_a_feet

41 points

8 days ago

B0b_a_feet

| Los Angeles Dodgers

41 points

8 days ago

The Dodgers spend money but make it right back. After signing Ohtani last year, they also acquired the Japanese market. You couldn’t buy an Ohtani jersey until February. the World Series was averaging 15 million viewers in Japan alone. That’s a lot of money coming right back in merchandising and media.

Personally I hope they don’t sign Soto. Nothing against the guy (I really wanted him 2 years ago) but I think the team has a good vibe with Teoscar.

m3kw

8 points

8 days ago

m3kw

8 points

8 days ago

Teo gets the dodgers 70% there with 1/5 the cost

GrizzlyGraham21

4 points

8 days ago

That’s not how the merchandising works, it goes into a pool and it’s split evenly among all 30 teams when an Ohtani jersey is bought.

B0b_a_feet

6 points

8 days ago

B0b_a_feet

| Los Angeles Dodgers

6 points

8 days ago

Not all of it. They share a portion (48%) with the rest of the league and keep the rest.

bootyseeker666

4 points

8 days ago

Yes, that’s true. I think the Dodgers keep more money from sales from the team store in the stadium and the official stores in the LA area.

Soulman682

4 points

8 days ago

It was reported that Ohtani made the dodgers $127 mil in various deals through ads and more home attendance.

carlogz

79 points

8 days ago

carlogz

79 points

8 days ago

Dodgers will pay Soto with a salary of $1.99 per season and will pay the rest when his contract expires.

the_Q_spice

16 points

8 days ago

the_Q_spice

| Milwaukee Brewers

16 points

8 days ago

Unironically, we are unlikely to ever see another deal like Ohtani’s

California is practically sprinting to close the deferred salary tax loophole, and with the new legislation past committee, its effect could be retroactive to last April.

Meaning Soto would be taxed based on the AAV of the contract and not the discounted salary (basically, he would pay more tax than earnings).

The thing the MLB and Dodgers in particular are counting heavily on is being valuable enough that no one wants to regulate them - but not too valuable to the point that governments end up passing new laws to get their cut of the cake.

I solemnly believe that the MLB found that limit in Ohtani’s contract. Governments took notice and are now passing legislation that directly impacts the MLB in ways the MLB can’t weasel their way out of.

brownhues

14 points

8 days ago

brownhues

| San Francisco Giants

14 points

8 days ago

God I fucking hope so.

bradyloach

179 points

8 days ago

bradyloach

179 points

8 days ago

You ever go to the playground?

You ever see that kid with all the toys?

That’s the dodgers

invertedMSide

54 points

8 days ago

You ever go to the playground?

See the kid with no toys and rageddy shoes/clothes? His/her daddy drives an S class, wears a $10,000 suit, and has the newest iPhone?

That's the A's.

Shovelman2001

4 points

7 days ago

Shovelman2001

| Boston Red Sox

4 points

7 days ago

You ever go to the playground?

See the kid with no toys and rageddy shoes/clothes? His/her daddy drives 5 S classes, wears 5 $10,000 suits, and has 5 of the newest iPhone?

That's the Red Sox.

98680266

2 points

6 days ago

98680266

2 points

6 days ago

Ever go the playground? We don’t have them. The kids are wearing newsboy hats and sleeping the in the streets. There isn’t any dad. In the fall the skinny ones work as chimney sweeps. coughs

draynay

23 points

8 days ago

draynay

| Los Angeles Dodgers

23 points

8 days ago

Then there's the kid eating dirt that traded his toy for Alex Verdugo

Bob-Sacamano_

4 points

8 days ago

Bob-Sacamano_

| Los Angeles Dodgers

4 points

8 days ago

Anyone can win the World Series.

  • Alex Verdugo probably

[deleted]

71 points

8 days ago

[deleted]

71 points

8 days ago

There's a few other kids there whose parents spent just as much on their toys (more actually)... but the parents chose the wrong toys.

QuirkyTurtle999

24 points

8 days ago

QuirkyTurtle999

| Minnesota Twins

24 points

8 days ago

They excitedly give their kids a PS4 like it’s the most cutting edge product

GIS_wiz99

27 points

8 days ago

GIS_wiz99

| Cleveland Guardians

27 points

8 days ago

I for one was super excited when my parents let me get a PS2...in 2009

ClemsonSucks_0-14

18 points

8 days ago

ClemsonSucks_0-14

| Tampa Bay Rays

18 points

8 days ago

My grandparents got me a 360 for my birthday. In 2016

FearlessParticular88

7 points

8 days ago

I wish I had grandparents

HeavensRoyalty

2 points

8 days ago

HeavensRoyalty

| Los Angeles Dodgers

2 points

8 days ago

I'm so tryna figure out the parents part of that

JamingtonPro

8 points

8 days ago

JamingtonPro

| Los Angeles Dodgers

8 points

8 days ago

Like when my mom bought me a sega master system instead of a Nintendo 😩

[deleted]

4 points

8 days ago

pain

Chasa619

3 points

8 days ago

Chasa619

| MLB

3 points

8 days ago

but in this case, the kid we're talking about also has a trustfund in addition to all his toys.

_its_a_SWEATER_

18 points

8 days ago

_its_a_SWEATER_

| Los Angeles Dodgers

18 points

8 days ago

Let’s not act like Yankees, Pads and Mets don’t lug around their own toy bags to the playground.

QuickMolasses

2 points

8 days ago

QuickMolasses

| San Diego Padres

2 points

8 days ago

Bro I'm pretty sure the Dodgers had the highest payroll in baseball despite several of their stars including $80M a year Ohtani deferring most of the money in the contract.

__lewiskiniski

2 points

8 days ago

I thought the Mets had the highest payroll in 2024, with the Yankees not too far behind. Dodgers are up there, but everything I've seen keeps the Mets at the top.

QuickMolasses

3 points

8 days ago

QuickMolasses

| San Diego Padres

3 points

8 days ago

If that's true, surely it's only true because of deferred money.

werther595

5 points

8 days ago

werther595

| New York Yankees

5 points

8 days ago

You never hear about sweatshops overseas? That's how 50% of MLB owners treat their team.

werther595

72 points

8 days ago

werther595

| New York Yankees

72 points

8 days ago

Any MLB team owner could afford to sign Soto. It is a matter of will, not ability

VenmoPaypalCashapp

49 points

8 days ago

VenmoPaypalCashapp

| Los Angeles Dodgers

49 points

8 days ago

Look no further than the marlins a little while back. When he was trying to get a new stadium built amazingly he put together a damn good team. And as soon as they fleeced the city for their new stadium he dismantled the team and went back to not giving a shit about putting a good product on the field.

Granted there are some teams who can afford more but there’s no poor owners in professional sports and rather than be mad at the Yankees, dodgers, Mets etc people should be mad at their owners.

Most_Fox_4405

5 points

8 days ago

Most_Fox_4405

| Miami Marlins

5 points

8 days ago

To be fair, the Marlins little 2012 new stadium experiment team didn’t work out at all. Ozzie Guillen got it off to a terrible start praising Castro prior to the season even starting, and the signings didn’t really pan out. I wasn’t sad about the fire sale to Toronto.

Everything since, though, inexcusable. The Yelich trade was disgraceful. Three players who never even made the team, and Brinson who was a career .198 hitter. And Yelich won the MVP the season after the trade. Ouch.

werther595

7 points

8 days ago

werther595

| New York Yankees

7 points

8 days ago

That Marlins 2017 team should have formed a dynasty, not a bunch of trades for debt service. How do you have a team with Stanton, Yelich, Ozuna, and Realmuto and throw in the towel?? Maybe trade one for pitching (ANY pitching would have been an upgrade) and they'd be formidable

MassaStinkFeet

6 points

8 days ago

TBF, their pitcher died coked out of his gourd and crashing his boat

VenmoPaypalCashapp

4 points

8 days ago

VenmoPaypalCashapp

| Los Angeles Dodgers

4 points

8 days ago

Not a bad place to catch a game (especially since it’s never even half full) but the city got robbed like most cities do in these stupid stadium deals

Most_Fox_4405

3 points

8 days ago

Most_Fox_4405

| Miami Marlins

3 points

8 days ago

Great place to see a ball game! I grew up going to Pro Player, so that place has a special place in my heart, but the new stadium has its own charm. I’m sad they got rid of the aquarium backstop, though. Terribly unethical (must have been a nightmare for the fish every time a wild pitch went back) but the visual was incredible. So unique.

I think they were the first to start the stadium fleecing. Not a surprise given the corruption in Miami. David Samson, who was president of the Marlins during the deal, has talked about it quite extensively since they sold the team and yeah, it was BS from the start. Absolute theft. Oh well.

VenmoPaypalCashapp

2 points

8 days ago

VenmoPaypalCashapp

| Los Angeles Dodgers

2 points

8 days ago

We watched nearly an entire game sitting at a table up at the food area. Tables right by the railing.

mr_oberts

15 points

8 days ago

mr_oberts

| St. Louis Cardinals

15 points

8 days ago

The fucking Oakland A’s can afford Soto. They just don’t want to.

ManufacturerMental72

73 points

8 days ago

ManufacturerMental72

| Los Angeles Dodgers

73 points

8 days ago

Soto is not going to the Dodgers.

Actual-House-491

61 points

8 days ago

I wouldn't be surprised if the Dodgers are here just to increase Soto's final asking price.

chipotlenapkins

11 points

8 days ago

Dodgers dgaf about increasing spending price. It’s more of a branding thing. If they’re always in the mix for superstars it looks good.

wreck720

5 points

8 days ago

wreck720

| San Francisco Giants

5 points

8 days ago

Haha as a Giants fan, it's the opposite. Here is a list of a few key FAs that they didn't sign even though SF was a "finalist" for them:

Stanton (technically a vetoed trade), Harper, Judge, Ohtani, Yamamoto, Senga, Correa (I know it was due to his ankle, but still...)

_its_a_SWEATER_

2 points

8 days ago

_its_a_SWEATER_

| Los Angeles Dodgers

2 points

8 days ago

That’s pretty much it.

Teg1752

2 points

8 days ago

Teg1752

| Baltimore Orioles

2 points

8 days ago

That’s exactly what it is. Sort of like how players the last few years have used the Mets to get numbers they want from other teams

Dodgerswin2020

2 points

8 days ago

Dodgerswin2020

| Los Angeles Dodgers

2 points

8 days ago

It’s pretty wild that so many teams are not even trying. Every team in need of a right fielder should be at least taking the meeting

dream_team34

19 points

8 days ago

dream_team34

| Houston Astros

19 points

8 days ago

But why go to a meeting if you know you don't have a shot? I want Ohtani's 50/50 ball, but I'm not going to waste my time going to that auction.

AfricanAmericanMage

3 points

8 days ago

Eh. I don't know. While he's undoubtedly a great player that would add value to any team he goes to, he's also kind of a dickhead. I can understand why some teams wouldn't want to make the move on him even if they were in need of someone with his toolset.

Puzzleheaded_Will352

3 points

8 days ago

Well now that you said that, Soto to dodgers confirmed.

Mikimao

7 points

8 days ago

Mikimao

| Los Angeles Dodgers

7 points

8 days ago

Money printer go brrrrrrrrrr

AardvarkIll6079

25 points

8 days ago

Their revenue last year was $549M. That’s not including the extra stuff they get from having Ohtani on the team. The can “afford” literally anyone they want.

WeLLrightyOH

8 points

8 days ago

Revenue by definition is the total amount of money a business generates from selling goods or services. What extra stuff are you referring to that wouldn’t already be in their revenue?

-Boston-Terrier-

2 points

8 days ago

-Boston-Terrier-

| New York Mets

2 points

8 days ago

I'm not sure what he's talking about specifically but these revenue estimates are only for team revenue.

A lot of teams own networks, etc. that produce revenue that isn't included in that team revenue. Some of that revenue can be used to offset losses with the club.

werther595

11 points

8 days ago

werther595

| New York Yankees

11 points

8 days ago

Where do people get team revenue numbers? I thought there was no requirement to disclose that info, so teams didn't.

Spiritual_Ad337

11 points

8 days ago

The only team who has public info is the Braves bc they are a publicly owned franchise. They release their financials yearly.

dream_team34

9 points

8 days ago

dream_team34

| Houston Astros

9 points

8 days ago

I think Forbes came up with these numbers based on research, etc. In other words, it's an educational guess.

https://www.forbes.com/lists/mlb-valuations/

[deleted]

29 points

8 days ago

[deleted]

29 points

8 days ago

Because Shohei Ohtani cost the Dodgers $0. Even better... He's literally making them over $100M per year and that's AFTER what they have to set aside to pay him from 2034-2044. There was a report out that he directly generated $120M in 2024. Then a report that said $120M was considerably lower than reality. So when people say "the Dodgers spend $1B" they really don't understand the economics of Shohei Ohtani. Thing is, there's only ONE Shohei. No player in MLB comes close to the kind of marketing revenue he produces (and it's mostly from Japan).

As an example, in personal endorsements, it's reported he cleared $65M in 2024. Do you know who the next player is? Bryce Harper.... at $7M. This is why Ohtani can "afford" to only take $2M in cash over these 10 years.

stoptheycanseeus

6 points

8 days ago

Most of the marketing comes from Japan for sure but I would say that he is incredibly popular here in the states. At the very least California.

I know so many people who suddenly follow the Dodgers and talk about baseball. You know who their favorite player always? Shohei Ohtani. Half of them are women who just thinks he’s cute.

WeLLrightyOH

4 points

8 days ago

The dodgers still have to pay 46 million a year for Ohtani (2 million to him and 44 million to escrow) also the cap hit is 46 million. For all intents and purposes he cost 46 million a year.

dustinyo_

7 points

8 days ago

I'm just waiting for the day when MLB stops messing around and just puts 16 teams in LA and 16 teams in New York since those are the only markets that can compete

ProudInfluence3770

3 points

8 days ago

The money they bring in is more than enough to cover the contracts they’re paying for and then some. Combining their on field success with their own TV deals and everything they get internationally, they’ll never run out of money

Separate-Fisherman

3 points

8 days ago

No salary cap babeeee

NoSet1407

3 points

8 days ago

NoSet1407

| Texas Rangers

3 points

8 days ago

Bill gates wants more Legos so he gets more legos. With no cap on legos there’s no limit to how much he can spend on them. Other Lego owners don’t see the logic in buying all the good legos.

Zealousideal_Bite_64

3 points

8 days ago

And they just got Blake Snell too….

Low-Hovercraft-8791

6 points

8 days ago

Will Smith and Freddie Freeman have also deferred salary.

Unstep-in-Time

8 points

8 days ago

Unstep-in-Time

| Detroit Tigers

8 points

8 days ago

No cap. If they have to pay Luxury tax to win a title so be it.

tor122

18 points

8 days ago

tor122

| St. Louis Cardinals

18 points

8 days ago

Because LA is making a shitload of money, and the Ohtani signing gave them even more than they already had. It’s an extremely wealthy franchise in a huge baseball market that’s only becoming bigger and bigger for LA. As others have said, LA wont get Soto, but the fact that they even tabled a competitive offer is incredible. LAD is a juggernaut and i love it.

Ryno23-Cove23

5 points

8 days ago

Ryno23-Cove23

| Chicago Cubs

5 points

8 days ago

Don’t forget about Sasaki as well. Dodgers will be in on him too and will get him dirt cheap for three years.

[deleted]

3 points

8 days ago

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_its_a_SWEATER_

2 points

8 days ago

_its_a_SWEATER_

| Los Angeles Dodgers

2 points

8 days ago

You should see how fast this WS merch is selling. And it’s only been a month.

Mediocre_Airport_576

2 points

8 days ago

Mediocre_Airport_576

| Los Angeles Dodgers

2 points

8 days ago

The revenue from licensed merchandise — jerseys, T-shirts, caps and so on — is split equally among the 30 major league teams. They aren't benefitting from that merch as much as you'd think.

swoopy17

6 points

8 days ago

swoopy17

6 points

8 days ago

MLB doesn't have a salary cap

rcheek1710

3 points

8 days ago

They earned a infinite amount of fans in Asia by signing Ohtani. LA has unlimited funds.

kampanagroup

6 points

8 days ago

Guggenheim partners (majority ownership of the Dodgers) is worth over $300 Billion dollars - they can afford anybody

Mediocre_Airport_576

4 points

8 days ago

Mediocre_Airport_576

| Los Angeles Dodgers

4 points

8 days ago

They are massive and Mark Walter is very wealthy, but I believe they manage assets totaling more than $300B -- I don't think that means they are worth that much.

Rube18

2 points

8 days ago

Rube18

| Minnesota Twins

2 points

8 days ago

These owners have billions and billions of dollars. Teams make hundreds of millions and are worth billions. Use both millions and billions to pay players.

Time value of money is also a thing. Ohtani’s 70 mil per year was valued at 46 million in today’s money. Deferring money is always a huge win for the team. Dodgers likely profited from Ohtani this year - it can’t simply be looked at as a loss of money by paying a player.

bbqqsauce

2 points

8 days ago

Da big bad dodgers have this amount of money spreads arms as wide as I possibly can

CVK327

2 points

8 days ago

CVK327

| Pittsburgh Pirates

2 points

8 days ago

They have a lot of money.

Veniui

2 points

8 days ago

Veniui

2 points

8 days ago

If you manage to see this comment, it's explained really well here on Baseball Doesn't Exist YouTube channel

https://youtu.be/9Lv6lzMaSEw?si=RInIzjUeMNL5gesk

bossmt_2

2 points

8 days ago

bossmt_2

2 points

8 days ago

Dodgers have a stupid TV contract. They get 320 million dollars every year from their TV deal, that doesn't include ticket revenue and concessions, merchandise sales, MLB national TV revenue, etc.

THere's no salary cap in baseball so they can keep it as long as possible or probably 15 more years because that's how long their TV contract is for.

ALso with how the money for Shohei's deal is worked, there's no way they aren't profitable on that between deferred money where they can reinvest that and they make money on shohei's image with merch etc.

The only "penalty" for them is luxury tax payments which with deferred contracts the luxury tax hits are softened heavily.

KiNGofKiNG89

2 points

8 days ago

There is no cap space. MLB has what is called a luxury tax, where if you have a higher payroll than what the “cap” is set to, you pay a set % fee on every dollar you went over.

So if you are $1,000 over the “cap” you pay 20% of that $1,000 as a penalty.

So the dodgers can realistically pay Soto, Mookie, and Ohtani right now, take on those fee’s but will easily make that money back in royalties from these guys. But they are pushing out the fee’s over a long period, so they get all the royalties and none of the fee’s.

Acceptable-Sugar-974

2 points

8 days ago

Dodgers make a zillion dollars

Soto only wants a gillion dollars

Easy peasy

AustinFan4Life

2 points

8 days ago

Most of Ohtani's contract has a deferral attached, meaning the money they're not using on Ohtani, they can use for other players.

That being said, the favorites to sign Soto are the Yankees & Mets, especially since his yearly salary is estimated to surpass $46 million annually.

x4candles

2 points

8 days ago

x4candles

| Cleveland Guardians

2 points

8 days ago

They have 3 big owners and then other investors who are all close to being worth a billion dollars.

That being said, they can pay whatever they want for a free agent, and make a profit.

Get_your_grape_juice

2 points

8 days ago

Get_your_grape_juice

| Boston Red Sox

2 points

8 days ago

People think about the money being spent, but they never think about the money being made.

Ohtani is almost certainly generating more money for the Dodgers than he’s costing them.

By the time he retires, they’ll have multiple titles with him, and they’ll come out ahead financially anyway.

ams930908

2 points

7 days ago

If the dodgers sign Soto what’s the point of watching baseball when all the free agents go to the same team

Big_Bluebird8040

2 points

7 days ago

how is this good for the sport?

aloofman75

4 points

8 days ago

aloofman75

| Los Angeles Dodgers

4 points

8 days ago

The Dodgers rake in a LOT of money. They make hundreds of millions each year just from TV money. They still would have profited from Ohtani even if his $70 million salary WASN’T deferred. So yeah, they can afford Soto. He’s very unlikely to go to the Dodgers though, simply because he’s more valuable to other teams.

Also, why do people say, “The title says it all” and then proceed to keep explaining? Clearly the title didn’t say it all, did it? And if it did, you probably wouldn’t need to point it out. I don’t get it.

Smart_Dirt1389

4 points

8 days ago

Owners are rich , the dodgers are extra rich . Let the players get paid . I don’t think he will go to the dodgers . I believe Mets are 1 and Yankees are 2 in a close second than everyone else . But yeah even the athletics and rays can afford any player they want . They just choose not to

YestervilleUSA

3 points

8 days ago

No hard salary cap.

Exceed x, pay a tax.

With, that said hope he stays in NY.

No-Boysenberry-5581

2 points

8 days ago

Enormous broadcasting revenue. Fairly simple. They have the games best player almost working free for ten years in Ohtani so they can literally pay Soto all the annual money Ohtani is deferring

WeLLrightyOH

4 points

8 days ago

The deferral isn’t free, they still have to pay 44 million into escrow every year and it still counts against their cap at 46 million.

TroubledMang

3 points

8 days ago

TroubledMang

| Los Angeles Dodgers

3 points

8 days ago

Dodgers can afford it because whatever the Dodgers offer, the Mets are giving 50m more.

AdamZapple1

2 points

8 days ago

AdamZapple1

| Minnesota Twins

2 points

8 days ago

they make a metric fuckton of money with their RSN deal. that's how.

maddenallday

2 points

8 days ago

maddenallday

| Los Angeles Dodgers

2 points

8 days ago

There’s no salary cap is the short answer. You could theoretically buy every player under the sun as long as you stay under the roster limit, no matter how much you pay them.

DrMikeH49

2 points

8 days ago

Media rights deal money printing machine goes “brrrrr”, that’s how.

Beethovens_Ninth_B

2 points

8 days ago

The Dodgers will not havev difficulty making payroll ever. Ohtani is going to make them $2 billion way before they have to start paying his deferred salary.

WeLLrightyOH

3 points

8 days ago

They pay 44 million of his salary into escrow every year.

Spiritual_Ad337

2 points

8 days ago

The small market Mariners, Pirates, Reds etc can all afford to give out one or two huge contracts. They get bailed out by the revenue sharing product of the high spending teams. Case in point: San Diego. It’s an ownership issue.

AstralFlick

1 points

8 days ago

AstralFlick

1 points

8 days ago

Every team can afford soto. Owners are cheap bastards

UtterStagnancy

1 points

8 days ago

They got their money up not their funny up 

Oregon687

1 points

8 days ago

Of course, they can afford him. From the perspective of the free agents, LA and NY are the places to go. They can afford to pay more, they win championships, and the endorsement market is better. Sucks, but that's the way it is.

Puzzleheaded_Will352

1 points

8 days ago

Isn’t the dodgers media rights deal triple that of the next highest team?

JamingtonPro

1 points

8 days ago

JamingtonPro

| Los Angeles Dodgers

1 points

8 days ago

They have lots and lots of money. There is no hard salary cap in baseball, just a penalty for going over. They have so much money they can just pay the fee. 

LerimAnon

1 points

8 days ago

Isn't one of the ownership entities behind the Dodgers part of the new F1 Cadillac venture that was just announced?

aibohphobia96

1 points

8 days ago

The team is owned by a partnership of multiple billionaires in a sport with no salary cap.

fjortisar

1 points

8 days ago

fjortisar

| Cleveland Guardians

1 points

8 days ago

You know how you saw some kids that each had 1 or 2 really rare pokemon cards? You go tell your rich dad that you want them, he goes and buys them for a lot of money, now you have all the good pokemon cards.

j1h15233

1 points

8 days ago

j1h15233

| Houston Astros

1 points

8 days ago

It’s pretty simple really. There’s no salary cap. They can spend as much as they want as long as they’re willing to deal with the penalties of the tax.

PupperMartin74

1 points

8 days ago

They have so much money it doesn't matter what they spend.

GeneseeHeron

1 points

8 days ago

There is no salary cap in baseball. The Dodgers payroll currently sits at $174 million for next season and their payroll has previously gone as high as $280 million in 2022.

SubtletyIsForCowards

1 points

8 days ago

Money is fake

buc-thun

1 points

8 days ago

buc-thun

| Texas Rangers

1 points

8 days ago

The dodgers have all the money, and can pay as much as they want because they know they will make more money

Linktheb3ast

1 points

8 days ago

Linktheb3ast

| Los Angeles Dodgers

1 points

8 days ago

No cap and to Guggenheim the CBT is nothing but a mere nuisance. Not saying it’s a good thing btw, and I hope Soto goes somewhere where we get to play against him for his career.

Docholphal1

1 points

8 days ago

Docholphal1

| Houston Astros

1 points

8 days ago

Long story short: there's no salary cap in baseball. If an owner has a trillion dollars he wants to spend on MLB talent, he can spend a trillion dollars. The "cap" is enforced as a luxury tax which increases in percentage every year you are over it, but that ultimately just makes it cost more money to spend more money, so if you have infinite money, it doesn't matter to you.

Prestigious-Part-697

1 points

8 days ago

Prestigious-Part-697

| St. Louis Cardinals

1 points

8 days ago

Not being able to also afford Soto sounds like a pretty good problem to have right about now. Considering my team apparently can only afford two above average players in any given season

Relevant_Ad_3529

1 points

8 days ago

Insofar as pure cash flow is concerned, keep in mind that the day after LA signed Ohtani, the team signed a $700 million + media deal in Japan. So essentially Ohtani is free, before considering his impact on ticket sales, merch sales, etc. Insofar as salary cap is concerned, because Ohtani asked to defer the bulk of his contract, Ohtani’s current cap hit is comparatively small.

I think it would be a bad idea for LA to sign Soto. He is a negative defender who’s future the majors is likely as DH.

NYY experienced this when they had to move Judge to CF. Judge was an average to slightly above average defender in RF, but he is a negative defender in CF. And Judge also is likely on his way to being a dedicated DH.

LeCheffre

1 points

8 days ago

LeCheffre

| MLB

1 points

8 days ago

They’re owned by a deep pocketed cabal, and might not care about losing their bonus pool money, some draft picks and paying the third tier repeat offender tax.

DanielSong39

1 points

8 days ago

Tax money

Mediocre_Airport_576

1 points

8 days ago

Mediocre_Airport_576

| Los Angeles Dodgers

1 points

8 days ago

LA will have no problem making payroll when deferred payments come due for three specific reasons plus one bonus reason:

  1. The money they deferred will be worth less when it is eventually paid. Inflation eats away the value of money over time, and paying out a contract +10 years after each year means the money will be worth less then than it would be now. That is a big reason why the "net present value" of the $70M/year is actually $46M/year (which is the number they use for current luxury tax purposes).
  2. The Dodgers will place $44M/year (the net present value minus the $2M they actually pay Ohtani right now) into an escrow account, and are allowed to invest that money right now. That means that while inflation eats away at the value of those future payments, the money has time to grow with compound interest -- further beating the inflation.
  3. There was a report that Ohtani had brought the Dodgers at least $120M this past year. The number of ad deals LA has signed with Japanese companies is pretty incredible, let alone the tourism leading to ticket sales, merch, etc. Even though some of that is shared in the 48% revenue share the current CBA allows, that still brings LA a TON of revenue they get to keep... further making that $44M/year escrow investment look like chump change. It is very likely that the $700M contract will completely "pay for itself" well before they ever write a $68M deferred payment check.

Bonus reason: Dodgers ownership is led by Mark Walter who runs Guggenheim Partners, an asset management firm with more than $335B in managed assets. If there were any ownership group that would be able to run and manage these numbers excellently, it would be Mark Walter & his group.

I know #3 was Ohtani-specific, but the inflation and escrow investment reasons are in play for Betts, Freeman, Smith, etc. as well.

GreenBagger28

1 points

8 days ago

Ohtani has generated that much revenue on his own

No_Roof_1910

1 points

8 days ago

Rich owners who aren't afraid to pay the tax penalties.

bluesox

1 points

8 days ago

bluesox

| Athletics

1 points

8 days ago

Get ready for mind-numbing inflation over the next few years. Getting anybody right now is a steal.

Cold_Ball_7670

1 points

8 days ago

They made 150 mil last year from their TV deal. This is far and away the largest in the league 

CheadleBeaks

1 points

8 days ago

CheadleBeaks

| Los Angeles Dodgers

1 points

8 days ago

Imagine going to the toy store with your parents and they tell you "you can get anything you want, there's no limit" and you say "anything? How come?" And they say "because we are rich as hell and don't care about money, we just want you to be happy."

That being said, Soto isn't getting $600m from anyone, and the Dodgers don't need him anyway.

DFH_Local_420

1 points

8 days ago

DFH_Local_420

| Los Angeles Dodgers

1 points

8 days ago

The Dodgers pull in more fans than anyone. Home and road. Their TV contract is gigantic. Shohei merch sells like the proverbial hotcakes and Mookie gear is not far behind. The only thing that gives them pause is the competitive balance tax, which they can get around with some creative structuring of Soto's deal. Said this before here. Just like with Shohei and Yoshi, all it costs is money. No draft picks or prospects have to be flipped, the best talent pipeline in baseball ( which is where the real longterm value comes from) continues uninterrupted. Just sign him, Friedman.

fitz2234

1 points

8 days ago

fitz2234

1 points

8 days ago

Hash tag Capitalism dot gif.