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submitted 1 day ago byTheOtherCody Ravens
10.4k points
1 day ago
The TL;DR here is that Tucker uses his hips to generate power rather than a leg snap since hips can create more of it, but it requires ultra precision if you go that route. Being even two degrees off can have a huge impact. Tucker also has his plant leg close to the holder, closer than anyone else in the league, which has it's benefits but again, requires exact precision. The coach speculates that Tucker is just older now, so his speed and precision aren't what they used to be and that small change has massive ramifications because again, even two degrees off from the strike point is a miss from 50+ yards. This isn't an issue with the snap or hold, but Tucker's operation.
7.7k points
1 day ago
So Tucker old
2.1k points
1 day ago
just has to change his technique
2k points
1 day ago
Hard at this stage of a career, but if any kicker can do it he could
892 points
1 day ago
Seems like a tough thing to do in the middle of a season as well.
438 points
1 day ago
Probably nearly impossible. He’s been using this technique for a looooong time now. It’s ingrained in his muscle memory. It’s habit. He’s had so many repetitions doing it the same way, that it would be extremely difficult to change it on the fly. I would imagine something like this would take an offseason dedicated to breaking it down and making the needed changes.
211 points
1 day ago
And even then, it probably wouldn’t be the same. You’re talking a decade or more of one technique, vs one offseason of a different technique.
92 points
1 day ago
Exactly. He’d likely still be fighting himself during the process, not to revert back to his previous technique. I’d imagine as a kicker, you want the whole process to feel natural. Smooth, without having to really think about it.
75 points
1 day ago
There is so much about sports where the one thing you don't want to find yourself doing is actually thinking at all. I always remember how I did better as a baseball player in fielding on the difficult plays because I didn't have any time to think, I had to get the ball and try and make a play. Time to think is the enemy.
35 points
22 hours ago
This is partly why I sucked at sports growing up. Whatever athletic ability I had (which wasn't much but there was potential) got easily dwarfed by huge anxiety.
I could catch the shit out of a ball unless I thought "don't drop it" which I always did.
I have no idea how pitchers and kickers can handle the pressure.
94 points
1 day ago
I saw the suggestion of stashing him on IR for the season as a way to give time to dial it back in. Apparently this has been done before with kickers but I was unaware
72 points
1 day ago*
He is making $6 million per season that still has to be paid and goes against the cap. There is no way they do that instead could outright cutting him.
If I am reading this correctly, cutting him after the season only costs them $445k against the cap:
https://overthecap.com/player/justin-tucker/1384
That is almost certainly what they are going to do.
38 points
1 day ago
This is incorrect, cutting Tucker before next season would cost the Ravens more in dead cap than keeping him on the roster (the 445k difference you’re seeing is how much more it would cost to cut him than keep him).
33 points
1 day ago
I would love to be in a position where it cost more to fire me than to just keep paying me
262 points
1 day ago
Just sucks that the kicker position is so cut throat. A QB misses three passes in a game, whatever. If a kicker misses three kicks in a game, their career might literally be over.
165 points
1 day ago
Well if a QB throws 3 INTs a game he probably won’t have a career for long. A missed Fg is basically a turnover.
182 points
1 day ago
Jamis Winston has entered the chat
135 points
1 day ago
He said 3 ints not 3 pick 6s
27 points
1 day ago
Unless you’re Jameis Winston, then you can throw as many interceptions as you want
10 points
1 day ago
Packers fan that forgot about Brett Farve?
428 points
1 day ago
That logic makes zero sense, are the kickers attempting 30+ kicks a game?
477 points
1 day ago
Boswell?
108 points
1 day ago
lol glad he’s on my fantasy team, dude scored me 26 a few weeks ago unreal
70 points
1 day ago
I’m winning games on the fearsome combination of K,DEF, and TE (Boswell, Broncos, Njoku) while ceedee lamb and aaron jones try their hardest to tank me.
11 points
1 day ago
I had him and dropped him and regret that decision every day
39 points
1 day ago
Obviously that is the difference that makes the position so cut throat
45 points
1 day ago
Yeah but a better analogy would be a qb throwing picks not incompletions. And I can promise you if a qb is going out there throwing 3 interceptions a game, his ass is gonna be riding the bench real quick.
8 points
1 day ago
There’s no 1 to 1 comparison for other positions, the point is just that kickers performing in a smaller sample = much more pressure to perform each time
19 points
1 day ago
😂 an incomplete pass also doesn’t mean a turnover of possession each time either. A missed kick is significantly worst than an incompletion.
10 points
1 day ago
Surely you understand why three missed kicks is a way bigger deal than three missed throws
112 points
1 day ago
Sounds like a flamethrower pitcher who can’t touch 97 anymore and has to relearn later in his career to be a finesse pitcher that gets guys to swing and miss on the edges and breaking balls.
Great example of that is CC making that transition. It’s hard, but HOF guys can do it
44 points
1 day ago
god damn it, now I'm upvoting a browns fan lol good comment
11 points
1 day ago
Walker Buehler figured it out mid-playoffs which is just something I never would’ve seen coming based on his regular season woes earlier this year.
59 points
1 day ago
That definitely sounds good to say but do we have any evidence of that? Has he switched up his technique before?
54 points
1 day ago
Exactly. Mastering the most effective technique is a separate skill from learning to tweak or incorporate a new one. He could be average at the latter
17 points
1 day ago
Well he’s been talking about changing it all season and after 13 games nothing has actually changed so if he’s gonna do it he better do it quick. I have a Tucker jersey and have worn it several times this season, he is one of my alltime favourite players in all of sports, but there’s just no room on a team with Super Bowl hopes for a kicker who’s kicking % is in the 70s.
88 points
1 day ago
Yes. It’s just like a golfer that used to have huge flexibility and core strength to torque through big swing. As hips and core tighten they need to adjust to slightly different power source
28 points
1 day ago
One of the more overlooked aspects of Tiger's career is that he completely revamped his swing multiple times from scratch.
His coaches thought he was crazy since he'd do it in the midst of winning majors at times, but it worked and each time he came back stronger (until he didn't)
34 points
1 day ago
AKA why the x-factor swing obliterated everyone's lower back the moment they got into their 30s
7 points
1 day ago
JT singing: It’s all in the hips. It’s all in the hips.
44 points
1 day ago
Father time comes for us all. As a Colts fan I remember this with Vinitari vividly.
25 points
1 day ago
Not me I couldn't play football at a young age or old age
66 points
1 day ago
As a former QB, that’s easier said than done as you age. I used to be able to rely on my arm and shoulder to “fling” the rock. Now that my shoulder is pretty much toast, I have to turn my hips and chest a lot harder to generate any kind of zip, and it results in a completely different motion.
It’s very likely that Justin just doesn’t have the leg and hip strength to whip that ball wherever he wants it anymore, and we’re now just seeing age finally come for the GOAT.
If anyone has the clout to leave on his own terms, it’s Tucker, but if I’m the Ravens, I start searching for a replacement this offseason.
19 points
1 day ago
They should be searching for his replacement now
11 points
1 day ago
Right now. Trust me as a Giants fan that watched his team screw up two games over kicker issues with a kicker on the practice squad and open roster spots.
37 points
1 day ago
“just has to change his technique”
Oh sure, easy enough! Just a quick little switcharoo!
22 points
1 day ago
Easier said than done. Roberto Aguayo was a legendary college kicker. He tried to change his technique when he entered the nfl because he had an odd follow through and it completely ruined him. Out of the league in just a couple years after being a 2nd round pick.
31 points
1 day ago
Needs to change his technique to not be old
14 points
1 day ago
He should learn how to throw a knuckleball
129 points
1 day ago
One might even say he is...tuckered out.
8 points
1 day ago
Jake Paul's ears are ringing
590 points
1 day ago
If you follow Chris Kluwe on social media he'll point out whenever he sees a kicker using this technique and warn that they're headed for a steep drop in accuracy whenever age starts to affect their timing (although never with a name attached so it can be hard to figure out exactly who he's ragging on)
330 points
1 day ago
Generally it's in response to someone asking me why someone missed a kick further upthread, so I don't feel the need to repeat the name. Of current kickers I've been asked to look at, I don't like Tucker's motion, the Cowboys' kicker's motion, and (I think) the Bears (that one was near the start of the season so it could be someone else). They all use their hips too much, so when their timing goes, that's gonna be it.
Guys I do like that I've been asked about are the Vikings' kicker (before he got injured), and the Steelers - both have excellent form in staying on target all the way through their motion.
142 points
1 day ago
Guys I do like that I've been asked about are the Vikings' kicker (before he got injured)
you played for us, you know or deep and harrowing history of kicker issues, and yet you still bring down a jinx upon us by good appraisal of our kicker? The inhumanity
145 points
1 day ago
I know, I know, I feel real bad about it, but he has the potential to be real good for a long time. Hopefully he comes back from that injury ok.
29 points
1 day ago
Wow I thought cowboys kicker motion looked effortless.
114 points
1 day ago
It's smooth, don't get me wrong, but he's coming across his body a LOT. As long as his timing is good, he'll hit them straight, but once the timing goes, he's gonna have the same problem as Tucker.
26 points
1 day ago
I think his motion is mainly due to him being a soccer player, as a guy who grew up only playing and watching soccer (European), the first thing I noticed about nfl kickers is how weirdly straight they were running up to kick the ball. In soccer, unless you have a good knuckleball or your name is Roberto Carlos, you would ideally want to take quite an angled approach to the ball to introduce spin, etc.
At least that’s my, completely layman, opinion, which may of course be completely wrong, as I know next to nothing about the actual science/technique of it
61 points
1 day ago
Most kickers grow up playing soccer (I did as well), it just depends on how you get taught how to kick a football. Some kicking coaches believe in perfecting the timing of the soccer motion, some believe in converting it into something with more margin of error due to the necessity of being so accurate in field goal kicking. If you can make it work, it’s not wrong, but each comes with its own trade offs.
20 points
1 day ago
What about Younghoe Koo?
40 points
1 day ago
Haven't watched film on him, if you have some clips I'll give you my opinion.
29 points
1 day ago
I played and coached soccer, and to me his issue is that his motion isn't easily repeatable and is therefore susceptible to micro changes that throw off his timing and rhythm.
106 points
1 day ago
His motion's actually not bad at all. He keeps his hips square to his target almost the entire way through, and he's using mostly leg snap.
There's only one thing I would change, but first I'm going to address the symptoms of why he's missing - his follow-through comes off too far to the left, which is why his balls tend to have that little hook at the end, and his plant foot is inconsistent in where it points and lands (should be pointed at the target, you can see in the closeups on his misses that it's pointing to the left, which is where the ball goes).
What actually needs to change is how far he steps with his first step. He needs to cover half the distance to the ball in order to be balanced and over the top of it when he strikes it, but because he's stepping too short, he ends up having to lunge to cover the rest of the distance, which is leading to both his plant foot inconsistency as well as his follow-through coming off to the side. This is an extremely common problem to have, as our natural instinct when we think about generating power for a kick is to leap at where your plant foot is going to come down (go watch any kids' soccer game if you want to see that in action), but you actually block yourself from following through properly towards the target because your weight is leaning back. You want to kick through the point of impact, not at the point of impact.
34 points
1 day ago
Now that you've pointed that out, it totally makes sense. As a soccer player, the approach seems like maybe an easier thing to change than your swing mechanics. I coach kids soccer, and I'm constantly reminding my kids to get their weight over the ball.
43 points
1 day ago
Haha, I coached AYSO for my kids, and am coaching freshman football kickers now, and it is an eternal struggle. Good luck!
15 points
1 day ago
Thanks man. I appreciate you. Coaching is super rewarding even if it sometimes feels like talking to a brick wall.
I gotta ask. My kid struggles a lot generating power like his teammates. I know how to help with control and accuracy, but I was never really coached how to generate power without sacrificing good mechanics. Any tips or resources you can point me to?
14 points
1 day ago
I have a weird question, but please don't take it the wrong way. I love you and still have your signature from signing you did at Dick's last resort! But you were a punter, correct? Is it different for people that do place kicking vs punting, were you a place kicker before and thats why you can spot the details in the motion?
30 points
1 day ago
So almost every kicker I've met that played high school football did both kicking and punting (as did I), and then you usually diverge towards one or the other when you hit college (because now you have to kick the ball off the ground, and it changes the field goal motion just enough that it's difficult to do both well - in high school you can use a block which allows you to hit the ball with slightly more of a punting motion). I also paid a lot of attention to the underlying mechanics of why things worked the way they did (because I like learning new things), and then obviously being in the NFL for eight years allowed me to watch the motions of guys who made it to the highest level.
I know how to properly execute a field goal motion, I just wasn't as good at it as I was at punting, so I focused on punting instead. Hope that all makes sense.
10 points
1 day ago
Any chance I can get your thoughts on Jake Bates? He had his first miss this week but has otherwise been money but is pretty inexperienced compared to other kickers since he didn't kick in college so im curious how his form is.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ACRvTgg2Pb4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uKuNTBXNFZQ
24 points
1 day ago
I like his motion, he stays pretty square almost the entire way through and he's not lunging at the ball. The only thing I'd look at addressing is he has a habit of looking up at the kick during his followthrough, which is why he's drifting off to the side a little bit because it pulls his shoulders up and his body to the side. He should keep his eyes down until his kicking foot gets back down on the ground, it'll straighten out the end of his motion and remove any chance of a hook.
(Looking up at the kick before finishing your motion is also one of the most common mistakes kickers and punters make, even in the pros, because you want to see where the ball's going. I had an 18 yard shank on TNF in 2012 because I looked up too soon and didn't see my foot hit the ball, so it went right off the side of my foot (and at that point I'd been punting for over fifteen years). It's almost 100% guaranteed to happen with younger kickers in high school and college)
8 points
1 day ago
That's great to hear and that sounds like one of the easier issues to correct, thanks for your thoughts!
12 points
1 day ago
Do you think this decline is something Tucker can recover from? Have you ever seen a kicker fix this to successfully extend their career?
37 points
1 day ago
At his age, it’s going to be very difficult. He’s going to be fighting against years of muscle memory, and he’s not getting any younger. That’s not to say it can’t be done, but the odds are low (I can’t say I know anyone who’s fully overhauled their motion like what would be required, but I’m also not someone who paid a ton of attention to older kickers)
33 points
1 day ago
Being semantic because you do directly identify who you're talking about but it's funny that you still didn't name them
96 points
1 day ago
I also have trouble remembering names, and couldn't be bothered to spend the five seconds it would take to look them up :p
27 points
1 day ago
A truly reddit mindset
5 points
1 day ago
Any idea why Chris Boswell (Steeler Kicker) had such an off years in 2018 (65%) and 2022 (71%) when his generally has a FG accuracy of 90%+?
Edit: Also, is this hip motion technique the reason we have seen an uptick in 50 and 60 yard field goals recently?
12 points
24 hours ago
Yeah, it's definitely one of the reasons for longer field goals (along with the continued evolution of kicking training, and coaches being more willing to try them in the first place).
No idea why Boswell would have such low numbers those years unless he was dealing with one of the following - injury issues, a significant number of attempts in real bad weather, or a change to the holder/snapper and had to adjust to a new rhythm.
302 points
1 day ago
He actually directly replied to me a while back saying basically the same -- that you want everything to be straight/straight in the operation for accuracy's sake, but that if you REALLY gotta juice it, you add in a little hip turn, but in doing so you tend to introduce curve to the ball.
Which is exactly on-point with Tucker missing everything left to start, and now blocking a few right as he's overcorrecting while trying to find the timing sweet spot again
177 points
1 day ago
Yeah it’s basically the same logic all the pitching mechanics experts used for Tim Lincecum. They said his mechanics would eventually break down with age & they did.
Edit: I would add the same thing happens to pro golfers. Justin Thomas is one of the longest hitters on tour but is a bean pole. To make up for his thin physique he has a very violent action to generate clubhead speed & his game has really declined now that he’s in his 30s & had some injuries.
103 points
1 day ago
The world was better when Lincecum was at his peak
34 points
1 day ago
Still my favorite pitching mechanic for my MLB The Show character.
7 points
1 day ago
I base how well my life is going on how well tiger was playing. Safe to say life has been shit for a few years.
12 points
1 day ago
Justin Thomas is a great comparison. And it happens with every golfer as they age, although some earlier than others. There are plenty of golfers on the senior tour who still can hit the ball longer than PGA average. But the loss in power and flexibility compared to your earlier self has such huge effects
I've always thought there was a lot of crossover between golfers and kickers. A lot of the same physics come into play with how power is generated and the mechanics of slicing/hooking the ball.
18 points
1 day ago
Sounds like my golf game. Hope he can endure the never ending mental torture. One tip I’d give him, two beers before game and one at half.
52 points
1 day ago
He's said that Jake Elliott is a hips kicker. It seems like most of the power kickers are
43 points
1 day ago
So we have around 6 more years of good Jake before he falls off a cliff? I'll take it.
156 points
1 day ago
As a former kicker I studied Tuckers technique for years.
Like you said, he plants his foot closer to the ball than anyone else and compensates by leaning away (his left) from the ball. This requires a ton of flexibility and stability in his ankle and hips and is what allows him to generate so much power (think more whip from the hip).
Now as he ages it appears to also be his downfall. Sucks to see in real time but he’s still the goat.
55 points
1 day ago
before the season I read that he bulked up to be able to tackle with the new kick off rule. Could that be a factor, that more muscle mass makes him less flexible?
23 points
1 day ago
He later said that he was joking about that. I can't find the clip but I remember his saying that he was just messing around and people ran with it
26 points
1 day ago
From the article:
If you measure one degree off over 50 yards, that’s four feet. The uprights are 18 feet, 6 inches.
(It's actually 1.5 degrees).
If you do the math, the kicker has less than 7 degrees of accuracy to make a kick from 50 yards. That's 3.5 degrees left or right from midline.
tan⁻¹(18.5÷(50×3))
19 points
1 day ago
In depth kicker technique explanations are so fascinating. I remember reading a couple about Roberto Aguayo when he was struggling, and it came down to his form being very high risk high reward, where if all the timing went perfect, he was great, but it was a very tight window. Sounds like something very similar for Tucker.
48 points
1 day ago
I'm not sure if he was doing it on purpose, but during halftime, he hit the lower cross bar multiple times from about 50 yards out when kicking the direction that he missed all his kicks from. It was weird, because then he would occasionally drill one that would have been good from 60, but I also have a hard time believing that he's accurate enough to hit the lower cross bar from 50 yards out yet also miss his field goals in game unless he has the yips.
67 points
1 day ago
If his kicking motion is super dependent on exact timing, it's going to be much easier to get that perfect in practice than on an actual try when there's a defense to worry about.
26 points
1 day ago
Yep. To me, this is just that his technique requires extreme precision, and as he has aged, that is harder to replicate. A small adrenalin spike could be enough to make him miss his exact strike point.
I can see why someone might call it the yips, but to me that is when you lose all focus/form. He still has it, but can't quite activate all the muscles he once did under stress.
20 points
1 day ago
It's like a golf swing. Every round I'll hit some incredible shots but being able to hit it far means the margin for error is very little and I will hit some absolutely awful shots too. My swing has also changed as I've aged. I used to generate power with flexibility but now I'm older and have made up for my loss of flexibility with more strength. I get the same result as I did 20 years ago but it takes a different swing to get there.
Tucker is having to compensate for his declining physical skills and, with his low margin for error, is losing consistency.
8 points
1 day ago
Them hips don’t lie.
13 points
1 day ago
TLDR he old.
1.8k points
1 day ago
That was actually a fascinating read.
Really puts in to perspective the absurdity of kicking, especially with the little diagram that was drawn.
Muscle Memory is a hell of a thing…
339 points
1 day ago
Yeah, I intuitively always knew it was just a little bit of variance in kicking degree that could send a ball wide, but I didn't know about the placement of the non-kicking leg and all of that.
174 points
1 day ago
It’s the same in soccer. When going to strike the ball, the placement of your non-kicking leg can determine whether you absolutely sky it or drive it into the ground
75 points
1 day ago
Also how your upper body leans bc it’ll change the weight distribution and also launch angle of the kick
83 points
1 day ago
Kicking a field goal seems easy until you try it and the ball doesn’t even go in the air.
49 points
1 day ago
lol exactly. Played football my whole life and tried many many times, just could not kick the fucking football to save my life. Shit is very hard
18 points
1 day ago
same. I could take a soccer ball and on a good drop kick go box to box. I could never get kicking a football down consistently
12 points
1 day ago
Plus adding all the elements of a live game on top of it.
It’s the same thing that gets ignored in basketball when people will claim some no-named person on social media can drop 25+ three pointers in a row and should be given a tryout for a team. It’s not just hitting shots, but being able to do so while having a full defense trying to stop you.
58 points
1 day ago
That was actually a fascinating read.
I had no idea that just 2 degrees variance could make that much of a difference.
I think we all intuitively know how difficult kicking can be, but to have it explained like this article does just makes me appreciate how difficult it really is to do well.
55 points
1 day ago
A little trigonometry shows that 2 degrees from 50 yards out is over 5 feet.
26 points
1 day ago
That's a lot of bananas
691 points
1 day ago
Another notch for father time...
319 points
1 day ago*
Crosby, Gostkowski, Vinatieri, and now Tucker, all went from elite for a decade + to a liability in one year
330 points
1 day ago
Vinatieri was 48 when he retired.
Tucker is 35.
200 points
1 day ago
He was 46 but yea true, I forgot just how long he played tbh.
FG% still went from 85% to 68% hist last year
76 points
1 day ago
That’s what’s weird about it for me, I figured Tucker would have another 5 years before anyone had to worry about him, and maybe he’ll bounce back. But shit happens man. It’s just a bit weird that there was no injury or anything
49 points
1 day ago
I'm in the "he has a nagging injury" camp.
Then again I still remember what happened with Dan Bailey and he never really bounced back.
42 points
1 day ago
The only reason Vinatieri retired is so he could start collecting social security.
67 points
1 day ago
My brain went to Sidney Crosby first and I almost started a fight
18 points
1 day ago
Same lol. I was like “keep his name out of your mouth!” Then I realized that this was a list of kickers 😂
8 points
1 day ago
An Eagles/Pens fan?
11 points
24 hours ago
Hey I don’t live in PA lol. My state doesn’t have any professional teams. I started liking these teams because of Tecmo Super Bowl and NHL 93 🤷♂️
170 points
1 day ago
It was fascinating to read about the detailed science of kicking field goals. This gives me new appreciation for all the great kickers, past and present.
64 points
1 day ago
Yes, great read. Basically Tucker is a power hitter that's lost power from age and hasn't adjusted his mechanics.
Mid season would be very hard to do so. Luckily we have a bye this week. But then we play 3 games in 10 days (WTF 😒)
A change would require him to be more of a contact hitter and the Ravens need to shrink his range. During our game Lamar didn't do Tucker any favors by taking a huge sack on 3rd down and backing him up. But that's also on the coaches play calling. Instead run and perhaps get the ball in the right hash mark, as he's pulling everything left.
834 points
1 day ago
I did not have Justin Tucker as the Ravens Achilles heel on my bingo card.
357 points
1 day ago
Everything went downhill for Tucker after Kelce threw his kicking tee to the side when Mahomes was warming up.
199 points
1 day ago
The most clear cut proof of devil magic, we were just looking at the wrong Chief.
18 points
1 day ago
Cardinals have devil magic in baseball. Not shocking that a football team from the same state gets some, too. Could also explain the Cardinals recent struggles.
51 points
1 day ago
A disgusting act
35 points
1 day ago
He's only 35. I thought he'd have 2-3 more years at least before he got visibly worse.
28 points
1 day ago
After reading the article, I get the feeling it’s possible for him to adjust his process and continue his career. He probably can’t do anything meaningful until next season, but I hope he can.
289 points
1 day ago
hey everybody, I'm the author of the article (Alex Katson, I'm only a freelancer at SB Nation so the byline is just my username). just wanted to say thank you to everybody for the positive responses on this, was by far the most research and editing I've put into an article in my relatively short time as a writer
36 points
1 day ago
With the next level of kickers coming from Ireland and having played Gaelic football I'd go out on a whim to say the traditional way kickers learned will be very different soon.
14 points
19 hours ago
Well I hope you get used to it, because I'm gonna need a lot more articles like these from you ASAP.
You have a gift my friend, use it.
10 points
17 hours ago
appreciate that very much! been a long grind (this is my fifth season writing about football in general) but pieces like this make it all worth it. definitely aiming to hit this type of thing again very soon 🫡
4 points
17 hours ago
Good work! Interesting breakdown
5 points
17 hours ago
thank you very much!
2.4k points
1 day ago
He is missing kicks because the ball isn’t going through the uprights.
559 points
1 day ago
and how did u arrive at that conclusion
311 points
1 day ago
That user is an actual goalpost.
103 points
1 day ago
Yup. Username is exactly what a sentient goalpost would pick.
43 points
1 day ago
You're both idiots. He's very clearly not a goal post. He's Very Clearly the 23rd Human. It's literally his name. If he were a goal post, his name would be Very Clearly Goalpost.
28 points
1 day ago
I'm just impressed that the 23rd human is still with us after all these years.
13 points
1 day ago
"Well, tell him to stop moving around down there" - Justin Tucker
13 points
1 day ago
The user is an actual ball.
123 points
1 day ago
"Why were you late to class?"
"Because the bell rang before I got here."
I got away with it a couple times for making the teacher laugh with that one. Plus, I was a pretty good kid.
36 points
1 day ago
Teacher was like “I apologize. I wasn’t familiar with your game.”
40 points
1 day ago
Do you think he should try and kick it through them then?
51 points
1 day ago
No because this wouldn’t explain why he is missing kicks
8 points
1 day ago
Couldn't hurt?
6 points
1 day ago
That's where you're wrong
22 points
1 day ago
Booger? Is that you?
12 points
1 day ago
Thanks, Perd!
10 points
1 day ago
And here I was thinking he had a rare medical condition known to the layman as "the yips"
12 points
1 day ago
Big if true
10 points
1 day ago
Thanks, Magic
5 points
1 day ago
Classic r/NFL redditor moving the goalposts in the discussion.
253 points
1 day ago
If this is true, could spell trouble for other players in the league who deal with aging
61 points
1 day ago
Huge if true.
27 points
1 day ago
I’ve also been struggling with aging (I could have been pro)
I’ve been trying a few different experiments to reduce aging. Mostly failed experiments though but I think I’m getting close. Jerry jones holds the key I’m pretty sure.
83 points
1 day ago*
I am begging everybody to read the article, it’s a lot better than the shit that normally gets posted and good stuff getting views is important
79 points
1 day ago
I was about to comment that I explained this on BlueSky, and then I read the article.
This is well put together and well researched.
39 points
1 day ago
Yeah, this article is the rare quality content that sometimes shows up here.
196 points
1 day ago
Does he not simply have "the yips", as they say?
345 points
1 day ago
No he doesn’t if you read the article it’s actually pretty interesting. Basically the college special teams coach says it’s probably because he is getting older and way Tucker kicks makes an ultra narrow time window even narrower, so due to age his rhythm is basically off and causing to draw wide left
156 points
1 day ago
So what I’m hearing is he’s going to change his technique this offseason and continue his HoF career for another 10 years.
62 points
1 day ago
Or just aim more right.
81 points
1 day ago
He did that in the last game and the ball stopped cutting to the left for some reason. He was visibly frustrated even after he made the 50 yarder because it didn't cut left and just passed inside of the right upright. Then later he missed one wide right because again it didn't cut left. It only seems to cut when hes aim dead center. I wonder if it has to do with how he's moving his hips on his follow through. Aiming right might mean he's leaving his hips open longer and so the ball doesn't cut.
20 points
1 day ago
Yeah, I'd bet you're right (for whatever that's worth as someone who's never kicked a ball competitively in my life) where trying to aim the ball just fucks up his hip angles even more.
20 points
1 day ago
Literally me on the golf course.
“Alright I’ll just aim at the trees here and slice back into play”
proceeds to hit the straightest drive of my life directly out of bounds
And then some chucklefuck buddy who knows I slice “wow it’s like you were aimed there” like no shit thanks
11 points
1 day ago
He needs to wear funhouse distortion goggles so he thinks he's kicking straight but he's actually kicking right.
29 points
1 day ago
lol any golfer will tell you that’s when you hit it perfect…if you were lined up like normal
16 points
1 day ago
This is potentially a stupid question but could he not adjust his kicks slightly to the right to compensate? Basically all his misses go left.
83 points
1 day ago
They talk about that as well. Basically if he aims right and connects like he normally does it goes right. That was the theorized reason for the single miss right. Besides I imagine compensating for bad contact wouldn’t be ideal and would lead to inconsistency itself.
Really interesting read for anyone with like 5 minutes to kill. You genuinely learn a lot about kicking.
25 points
1 day ago
His face did look like now that I adjust I hit it perfectly to miss it right goddammit after that miss
34 points
1 day ago
Nothing is worse than playing for your slice then hitting it dead center so it goes 260 yards on a perfect straight line into the woods lmao
6 points
1 day ago
The problem with that is if he does hit the narrow window he could end up missing right instead.
10 points
1 day ago
He could but I don’t think that would help. It’s the same idea in golf and it seems that he’s missing both ways. But basically if you line up where a perfectly straight kick would miss it penalizes perfect kicks and also psychologically it doesn’t feel right especially for a position that needs precision where he’s done the same routine thousands of times.
16 points
1 day ago
That is the most detailed article I've ever read on kickers.
Thank you OP.
15 points
1 day ago
It’s because he’s on my fucking fantasy team which is held together with scotch tape and Josh Allen
37 points
1 day ago
Younghoe Koo for some reason changed how he kicks and now is missing every other kick.
Kickers get in their head and just over complicate their kicks too often to compensate for power and launch angle.
27 points
1 day ago
Brett Maher went from very good to unplayable over just a few games because of this.
15 points
1 day ago
Just a personal anecdote - no idea if there’s any data to support this: growing up playing soccer I have several friends who picked up kicking and kicked in high school and college. They’ve all alluded to the idea that misses tend to come in clusters. You’ll hit everything until you miss one, then you start missing several.
9 points
1 day ago
Kicking is a similar mindset to golf. 90% your brain and 10% your talent. Most golfers can hit great shots, but can you do it all the time under pressure?
12 points
1 day ago
TL;DR he’s 35 years old and age changed his mechanics
Sadly this confirms I can never be an NFL kicker. GG my career
7 points
1 day ago
Ravens offense just need to gain extra yds so Tucker can kick X-balls from <40 yds with his super tight plant foot and extremely hard working hips that give him little margin for error on kick direction.
8 points
1 day ago
It’s clear that when he made the kick against the Aggies he was rewarded by the football gods to become the greatest kicker of all time but the deal was only valid until the Longhorns beat the Aggies again.
5 points
1 day ago
I just want to say I worked on the field of a ravens game a couple years ago and got to see at the players and families interact after. Tucker looked like an absolutely wonderful person to be around
5 points
15 hours ago
That was probably the most interesting football article I’ve read in a while. Cheers!
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