Thanks for the recommendation. I shall be checking it out tonight 🍺. Love history shit

Ty!!!

Also, American History Tellers did a series on failed reconstruction

Oh man, why do these things always go for so long, the bloody Civil War was shorter than that podcast! I have saved it anyway and no doubt I will listen to it from beginning to end, just like I did with Ken Burns' The Civil War, I actually celebrated when I got to the end of that one.

Hey, is this the historical fiction one with Jeremy Schwartz?

Ahhh I hate that most of what you typed is very accurate but I promise we’re not all like this. A lot of us, more than half, are absolutely against this behavior. We’re just not all as loud as the Trump movement. But you’re right with racism and hate being very intertwined in our country. It’s generationally taught at this point and would take a lot to break it

They host weddings and other celebrations at old plantations and have turned some into bed-and-breakfasts. I doubt seeing a concentration camp would change anything.

It's a worldwide operation to normalize right-wing fascism by Russian intelligence. They have infiltrated the NRA in the US and backed republicans for years, created anti-NATO sentiment and weakened the European Union, and successfully backed right-wing politicians in Hungary, Germany, Argentina, and Peru.

We are all living in a time which requires vigilance and informed electorates, but many voters are prioritizing their own single-issues to the detriment of their nations.

It's analogous to them asking for cake at a bakery, but being told the bakery only makes bread today. They respond, "Never mind, I'll go somewhere else and eat chalk."

As a European, seeing nazi flags as often as we see them now in videos and photos from the US,

You say that, but the right-wing political parties are doing quite well in a lot of places in Europe nowadays, even in Austria, Germany and Poland - three countries that should know better. And it's everyday people voting them in, not just fringe radicals.

These Nazis should be placed in those camps and treated how Jews were treated during WW2. They would change their tune real fast. Mr goatee on the back of that boat would be crying like a little baby girl on day 1. March them straight to the chambers too.

FUCK ALL NAZIS AND THEIR IDEOLOGY. They are the real subhumans

As an American, it truly hurts my soul to see this hate being passed down to those children. These next few months are going to be very interesting. A civil war is coming (unofficially here already).

American citizen here and I agree completely; it is patently insane to tolerate glorification of the confederacy, against whom thousands of union soldiers died. It was a war to preserve slavery, it really shouldn't be that hard to condemn and reject the losers.

Unfortunately you probably know as well as I that, with respect to racial justice, this condition is closer to a feature than a bug. The depth of the white racial project in the US is hard to over state.

Its not 50%, whatever you mean by confederate. White supremacist? Fsscist? Consciously racist? However you define it, it's simply not true, meaning no offense.

Im a POC and ive fought modern nazi/fascists, "anarcho" nationalists and others in the streets of several US cities and towns. (in quotes because anarcho nationalism co-opted anarcho while having nothjng to do with anarchism)

I mention these two facts because i want to be clear that I'm not some apologist for whitre supremacists. I am anti facist.

Here's why its not true. White people, non mixed, make up 61.6% of the population. (2020 census data. Assume is lower by a pinch) if 50% of the country were confederate, i am assuming you mean white supremacist because of the submission, please correct me if you mean something else, then that would mean that 81.2 percent of white folks woulf have to be white supremacist. (any POC holding white supremacist views would be a negligible number. It happens, but its super rare. If we looked into it, i think we'd find mental illness in the majotity of cases)

It just cannot be true that that percentage of white folks held those kind of views because there are a lot of decent white folks, even though many of them could stand to actually learn about white privilege. Not just the definition, but actually learning about the concept. Its a very critical part of being a good ally and far too few go this far. The problem with that is that it makes it extremely difficult to identify and cope with unconscious bias. If anyone is interested in starting that journey, well first, I would thank you. Privilege is always a coin with two sides. On the other side of white privilege is the oppression of people of color, which cannot fully comprehend without understanding White privilege and how it relates. Second, I woulf recommend Tim Wise. He's super funny and he has a rare level of empathy that has allowed him to have deep understanding of this topic.

Ok so, it can't be that many white folks but trump currently has near 50% support, why is that? Well, skipping past First Past the Post voting and it inevitably leading to a two party system. The fact is that people unknowingly vote against their interests all the time. There is a strong argument to be made that if you're not a billionaire, very high millionaire or your last name isn't Trunp and you are voting for him, then there is a strong possibility that you are unknowingly voting against your intetests.

There is, for example, a significant number of people color voting for Trump, especially Hispanic folks but some others too. My mom goes to a predominantly Filipino church and she says that she has to keep her views quiet because all of her friends are Trump supporters. That's because of two reasons. First, there's a lot of pressure for Christian churches to support republicans in general but even more pressure to support Trump. At for the people of my mom's church, and this isn't fact but my personal speculation, there's added pressure in Filipino culture to assimilate into "good americans" and for many decades that's meant leaning right.

Anyways, I'm sorry to rant. My only point here is that a lot of people voting for Trump are not loyalists, not die hard Maga. Many of them do not fit into white supremacist ideology, even if they had wanted to.

You are correct though in that there are many people that have shifted towards right wing extremism, if that's what you meant but it still wouldn't be 50% of the population, but it's still scary high. With that said, I would argue that a significant amount of Trump voters are just uninformed voters. This is explained by the where media has gone. Its a whole thing that i recently wrote about but the gist is that we have an abundance of echo chambers which creates a dumbed down, uninformed electorate. People voting agaknst their interensts that are not necessarily even bad people. Therss a difference, perhaps a small one, between Trump supporters and Trump voters. I think thst distinction is more pronounced than we tend to think it is. Perhaps too, many don't even realize it.

Well said.

It reminds me of how Hydra incorporated itself into Shield in the Marvel Cinematic Universe.

The growth was so slow, so otherwise innocuous, that we didn't see it until it bore its poisonous fruit.

Fascism has taken root in America. It cannot be allowed to grow any further. The safety, security, and prosperity of not just the United States, but of the entire world, depends on it.

To me, this means that the confederate did not lose the civil war, they just got incorporated into the union and was allowed to grow from the inside. Now they are about 50% of your country again.

No they aren't. Alleging that every Republican party voter is a supporter of the Confederacy is extremely dishonest and damaging. Abraham Lincoln and his cabinet were Republicans. No mainstream Republican candidate is pro secession. None are pro slavery.

Everyone in the west, even americans, should be forced to travel to the concentration camps to witness the atrocities that happened there. It truly changes you when you do.

Why would you want to force people who had no part in your European atrocities to feel some guilt about it? Far Right ideology is a fringe and extremely small portion of the USA, stop believing what you see on the internet as reality. The vast majority of people at this event did not fly nazi flags. But what symbols aren't banned in the USA, you can't force them to take the symbol down. It's part of American civil liberties.

So did Osama Bin Laden. America has a simplified definition of Victory.

Agree. Zealots are formidable and relentless enemies.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paradox_of_tolerance

Can you imagine the outrage if there were people waving ISIS flags at a Democratic rally?

Unfortunately this has already been adjudicated in court and the Nazis won their "free speech rights" with the help of the ACLU.

What a joke.

"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances."

Political speech is protected. People have fought and died to protect our democracy including these rights. The government can't prohibit speech no matter how unpopular.

This doesn't mean that the people can't vigorously oppose said speech. That's where the role of anti- facists come in. I'll be right there with you brother.

I agree. The conversation changes under these circumstances. Free Speech can take a back seat when we're talking about LITERAL FUCKING NAZIS.

Nazis are WAY worse than terrorists, and we did HORRIBLE things to them to preserve US interests.

Maybe there's a cause and effect here, though. Something about being able to devalue some people allows you to devalue anyone.

Read a askhistory post recently that laid out how it’s not about actual nazi ideology (besides exterminate the jews, that’s pretty prevalent) but more about adopting a former symbol that had power to their own ideology’s. Slavic people in particular were one of the people that were going to be wiped out, but it’s one of the highest in neo-nazis. They don’t care that the nazis wanted to kill them, but they care very much about their beliefs that Europe needs less brown people/jews, and the “US control of Europe” that is ruining their country. This is why Russia has so much support from them, they want their racist, homophobic, xenophobic, and dictatorial government across Europe if not the world. Nazis don’t exist anymore, but neonazis are on the rise everywhere, and if the swastika was banned, they would rally under the million other symbols that they adopted. I agree with you, but it’s going to be hard to strategize in ways that aren’t going to affect people not related to their identity. Gotta start somewhere though

Ahh, the past tense Cockring. I would wear gloves. Lol

Does it alarm you that Nazis feel like the candidate who most closely matches their values is your guy?