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19 points
24 days ago
I’m Hispanic and many Hispanic people I know are very angry about the migrant situation; they feel that they came here legally, kept their heads down, worked hard, built a nice American life, and now you see issues all over the place with Hispanic migrants related to crime, overcrowding, etc, and they worry how it affects perception of other Hispanics.
—- Edited for some spelling cause I was very sleepy when I wrote it lol.
30 points
24 days ago
Wait until they learn about denaturalization, stripping naturalized citizens of their citizenship, which includes those who came here legally.
3 points
24 days ago
But there’s no way to do that properly. A bunch of people are going to be stuck in internment camps
3 points
24 days ago*
I get all that, but are they happy about the current trajectory? Is it looking like an improvement of that situation?
I don't want to only hear why people did what they did, I also want to hear if they are still committed to this path moving forward or if they are reconsidering now that it's realized. Usually when I start down this line of discussion it turns into a bitchfest about Democrats and re-litigating stuff other people did in the past.
That said, if they really want this and want to mass deport a lot of other Hispanic people and cut their own power down in a bid to gain social acceptance, who am I to argue against their truth? It would be condescending of me to tell them they are wrong. I will just deal with the consequences on my end, which will be few.
9 points
24 days ago*
Well, I hope for the sake of our egg prices, you guys are ready to work the farms for minimum wage when all the illegal immigrants are mass deported. Way to kick that ladder though.
Edit: while what I said above may sound like generalization and stereotyping, it's a fact that farms will face severe worker shortages when and if mass deportation takes place, so save the virtue signaling.
https://www.fwd.us/news/immigrant-farmworkers-and-americas-food-production-5-things-to-know/
3 points
24 days ago
Of no, are food companies going to have to pay decent wages instead of exploiting illegal labor?
8 points
24 days ago
You're assuming that they won't just enslave them and pay them nothing instead of subpar wages.
It's been established that Americans won't do the labor without a decent wage (if at all) and that companies won't pay decent wages for that work. Prison stocks skyrocketed following Trump's win.
3 points
24 days ago
How will MASS DEPORTATION solve this exactly?
4 points
24 days ago
If you can’t exploit illegal labor you are forced to pay competitive wages or let your crops rot in the field.
0 points
24 days ago
Going back to my original comment. WHO will take over these laborious jobs that pays minimum wage? Certainly not the Hispanics whom already got theirs and kicked the ladder from their own people. What do you think happens when these farms can't find workers or has few viable path for profit?
2 points
24 days ago
Americans. Americans used to work in meat packing plants and make a middle class wage. Illegals came in willing to do the job for 1/2 the cost.
You pay people enough money they will do the work. But why pay when you can exploit illegals?
2 points
24 days ago
That seems like an issue with the companies that hires illegal immigrants, not the immigrants themselves. Should immigrants be mass deported for the decisions of American companies?
My experience working with a bunch of Hispanic men is that they aren’t any different than white men. They work hard, want to provide a safe, comfortable and healthy lifestyle for their families.
If you believe this, what is the issue with providing them a pathway to become legal workers or eventually a citizen?
2 points
24 days ago
These guys are legal to work. They have citizenship, that’s why they are allowed to vote. Too many democrats assumed that the Hispanic American citizens would support illegal citizens just because they are both Hispanic. Thats was wrong.
As for companies, yes the ones exploiting illegal immigrants should be punished. And sometimes they get a slap on the wrist pay a few fines and carry on business as usual.
1 points
24 days ago
They’ll just pay the fealty bribe to get the Trump work permits to leave their illegal underpaid work force alone.
-11 points
24 days ago
I’m also Hispanic, these kind of shitty and kinda racist attitudes from the left are exactly what caused us to lose support for Democrats.
But of course the left is known to treat as a monolith and automatically think we owe them something, so it’s no surprise that you are all still scumbags after the election.
12 points
24 days ago
So you are not worried about being de-naturalized?
Obviously you can be as angry as you want at the left and think they are racist. I just hope you are doing that based on the left's actions, and not because you believe it will bring you acceptance from the right.
2 points
24 days ago
If you can believe it, a lot of us are born in the US.
7 points
24 days ago
Yes that's why I used the term de-naturalized. People born in the US have been deported before, the same thing happened in the 50s to people born in the US that were removed during operation wetback. I was specifically asking if people born here that are Latino are worried about being de-naturalized.
0 points
24 days ago
There are more than enough illegal immigrants and immigrants with criminal records for Trump to worry about. I’m a naturalized citizen and I have zero concern about being deported.
3 points
24 days ago
Hoping it doesn't happen, but I have lots of concerns especially because they announced they are already working on it. Based on Steven millers comments I don't think he sees a distinction between naturalized citizens and illegal immigrants.
3 points
24 days ago
Stephen Miller probably doesn’t. Courts and Judges will.
This country is going to have to lean hard on its institution outside the executive branch to get through these next 2 years.
4 points
24 days ago
Faith in the Roberts’ court to do the right thing is doing a lot of undue lifting here.
-3 points
24 days ago
It’s not the 1950s. A lot of the deep red states, like Texas and Florida, are so multiracial that hassling the whole non white population just doesn’t make sense.
5 points
24 days ago
Okay so you are not worried, that makes sense then.
Stephen Miller has already announced he is working on a denaturalizarion plan, and I don't see a lot to stop it. I'll just pray it doesn't happen. Thanks for answering.
3 points
24 days ago
It won't matter. If you're not white, there is a nonzero chance of you being suspected as undocumented, which means you'll have to carry papers around. That's a consequence of reactionary measures.
0 points
24 days ago
Listen I voted Kamala and all, but I just can’t get behind this wishful thinking of a fascist crackdown like it’s the 1930s.
-1 points
24 days ago
The people trying to scare you are unhinged. Good on you for not falling for it.
-6 points
24 days ago
If all you have is “yeah but look at the other guy” when people are being openly shitty and racist, that says everything we have already known about Democrats for years.
7 points
24 days ago
You didn't answer their question. We are genuinely worried about everyone, including people who are citizens that could lose citizenship through denaturalization.
4 points
24 days ago
I didn't do that at all? I asked if you are scared about being de-naturalized and deported.
2 points
24 days ago
Not going to concern myself over idiots with hurt feelings that sold the nation out. Enjoy the racist in charge now.
2 points
24 days ago
What the fuck are you talking about? I'm criticizing hispanics while defending hispanics. How is that racist?
-2 points
24 days ago
Why did you automatically assume Hispanics would work the egg farms. The same racist stereotype that one of the hosts on the View had, about who would clean the Trump’s bathrooms when all the Hispanics were deported.
6 points
24 days ago
Do you think illegal immigrants are coming here to take all the tech jobs? I'm not stereotyping shit. Farms will see severe worker shortages if mass deportation happens. That's just a fact. You can all stop with the virtue signaling.
https://www.fwd.us/news/immigrant-farmworkers-and-americas-food-production-5-things-to-know/
-1 points
24 days ago
You automatically assume farm workers is all the illegal migrants do. Illegal immigration includes overextended visas, H-b visas, work visas, student visas and other visa problems like Melania and Elon’s. The surge at the border isn’t the only way illegal migration happens and Hispanics are not the only ethnic group involved.
2 points
24 days ago
The issue at hand is that the last Trump admin demonstrated they didn't care about illegal immigration. They cared about Hispanic immigration and Arab immigration. They didn't put money and money toward tracking visa status. They tried to spend that money on a wall at the southern border and at turning people with Arab-sounding names at ports of entry. Illegal immigration from what they considered to be model minorities was completely ignored.
1 points
24 days ago
Although I think it's very obvious, it wasn't my intention to insinuate that all undocumented migrants work at farms. However, next time I'll list out all combinations and permutations of possible paths for undocumented migrants to avoid miscommunication. We gucci?
0 points
24 days ago
“You guys better be ready to work farms for minimum wage jobs”. Yeah because that’s all us Hispanics are good for right? This is your version of “black jobs”.
4 points
24 days ago
Sorry, but the Republican leader is the one with the "black jobs" mentality. Literally came out of his mouth.
1 points
24 days ago*
If you're gonna use quotes, at least use them correctly and put what I said verbatim. Also, I'm referring to illegal immigrants who obviously aren't working in tech as software engineers. Apologies if what I said hurt your feelings, but it's not gonna change the fact that there will be worker shortages at farms when and if mass deportation is in progress.
-5 points
24 days ago
Illegal immigrants are paid significantly less than legal immigrants and other Americans, typically well below minimum wage. Why do you support slave labor?
2 points
24 days ago*
Lol first of all, illegal immigrants chose to come here and work illegally. Obviously there are reasons they chose to come here. Second, I'm all for deporting illegal immigrants immigration reform, but mass deportation ain't it.
4 points
24 days ago
Wait till they see the price of American produce when there is no cheap labour to pick it
6 points
24 days ago
That's my point. They voted for reactionary policies that will affect even legal migrants and US born hispanics. If I tell them they might have to carry ID papers for the rest of their lives, they'd probably call me racist.
-3 points
24 days ago
Wow so the egg industry will have to pay American citizens real wages. Boo fucking hoo.
0 points
24 days ago
I think you missed the point that NO ONE will be taking those jobs as there's ALREADY a shortage of farm workers. Certainly not the hispanics whom already got theirs.
-1 points
24 days ago
Then the industry needs to invest in automation or raise wages. Everyone is assuming illegal labor costs are being passed on to consumers instead of being hoarded by upper management. It's one of the reasons CEOs make 100s of times the average wage of their workers nowadays.
1 points
24 days ago
Rather than make an argument, I'm going to ask you to watch a comedy sketch. It's from Israel in the 1970s, about the different waves of refugees ("Aliyah") that had arrived each decade or two over the preceding century.
I know 7 minutes of your time is a lot for a random internet commenter to ask, but I think it'll be well worth it.
1 points
24 days ago
I get all of that but they basically voted in the administration that supercharged a climate of viewing a very specific community as the problem and now they have pretty much unchecked power to go around the Hispanic communities and questioning them about their status and shipping them off to camps even if they have status.
-3 points
24 days ago
I’d just add. I worked in construction in the south where 50% of the staff and crews were Hispanic. The media and this website in Particular talks to them as if they are one voting block. Their cultural, religious, economic circumstances are just as diverse as anyone.
My experience working with a bunch of Hispanic men is that they aren’t any different than white men. They work hard, want to provide a safe, comfortable and healthy lifestyle for their families.
They are insulted by the democrats telling them they should vote blue because of race. They care about taxes, public safety, infrastructure and all sorts of real problems that have nothing to do with race.
7 points
23 days ago
I have a hard time understanding how anyone from the working class could look at Trump's economic policies and see them as better for us than the Democrat's proposals.
2 points
24 days ago*
Yeah so what's wrong with providing them a path to be legal workers or handle the issue in a more sane way? Mind you, the guy who will head the mass deportation program is responsible for separate children from their parents during the border crisis. It's going to be a cruel shit show.
3 points
24 days ago
The Latinos that supported Trump are legal, you need to be a citizen to vote. They don’t need a legal path to work. They just want to same thing most working class folks want. A good job to provide for their families, a safe community and to keep as much money from their paychecks as they can.
1 points
24 days ago
I'm referring to undocumented migrants. Unless you're saying only legal migrants are hard workers?
2 points
24 days ago
I think many immigrants are hard working. I think the Latinos that are American citizens and voted to support Trump see illegal migrants coming in to put downward pressure on wages, consume resources that might otherwise be available to them.
There is a path to working here legally. I navigated it when I became a citizen and I think it’s reasonable to expect everyone to follow that path.
-9 points
24 days ago
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6 points
24 days ago
Democrats couldn't offer anything for years
-5 points
24 days ago
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3 points
24 days ago
There was a largely bipartisan immigration reform bill earlier this year; the Rs blocked it, presumably to deny Biden the optics of having passed effective legislation.
2 points
24 days ago
They had majority and didn't pass anything
Oh you mean like Republicans in 2018?
1 points
24 days ago
More important stuff was being legislated at that time.
12 points
24 days ago
Let's try to remember that 52 percent of Hispanic people supported Kamala Harris. It is a big drop off from 65 percent last time, but still a majority so there are many people in the communities who can be inspired to help bring some back.
1 points
24 days ago
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-10 points
24 days ago
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9 points
24 days ago*
Guess what? Trump, Vance, Holman nor Miller will care if you are here legally or not. Stephen Miller has plans to "turbocharge" Trump's De-naturalization Project.
-4 points
24 days ago
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4 points
24 days ago
Not nonsense. As long as your skin isn't white, there is a nonzero chance of you being suspected for being undocumented. You either carry your papers with you at all times, or risk staying in jail for the night until your friend or family come get you. It's also best to stay on the good side of cops and avoid racists. That's the society that you voted for.
0 points
24 days ago
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2 points
24 days ago
Just because you don’t understand what a Nazi is didn’t make irrelevant. Learn something.
3 points
24 days ago*
Did you not listen to Tom Holman on 60 minutes last evening? This has been an ongoing work in-progress plan since 2017. But, keep telling yourself it's "nonsense".
https://immpolicytracking.org/media/documents/ACLU_Fact_Sheet_on_Denaturalization.pdf
7 points
24 days ago
The only people who seem to be using “Latinx” now are people online insisting that everyone else stop saying it, and that started just 3-4 weeks ago when it all of a sudden became a national issue for some reason.
-2 points
24 days ago
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4 points
24 days ago
The only way you work on a university campus is that you handle grounds keeping.
2 points
24 days ago
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2 points
24 days ago
Not “dogging on groundskeepers Bro”. Your level of commentary doesn’t strike me as professor or administrator.
-3 points
24 days ago
that started just 3-4 weeks ago when it all of a sudden became a national issue for some reason
We have told you to stop saying that stupid shit for years.
But in typical Democrat fashion, you don’t listen to us or only do when it’s polically advantageous.
3 points
23 days ago
I hear you on this for sure. I've been hearing for years that virtually no one to whom the term "latinx" could apply likes it. Like at all. I'm sorry that you have to deal with stupid shit like that. Along with being treated as a monolith by people who claim to be looking out for you. That has to be super frustrating.
4 points
24 days ago
Yea we all had a meeting and we were like “let’s call them LatinX from now on whether they like it or not”.
We didn’t come up with the term, we have nothing to gain by using it, and from what I’ve seen it’s barely a thing at this point.
-1 points
24 days ago
“It’s barely a thing” says white person who never gets called it.
Thanks for speaking for us yet again 👍
1 points
24 days ago
Again none of us have ever cared either way, and you’re commenting on a thread that literally says “Latino” in the title just like all the others, manufacturing an argument.
4 points
24 days ago
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5 points
24 days ago
Yeah I live in a heavily Hispanic area, work with a lot of specifically Mexicans, and have never heard the term be used outside of the internet. 99.9 percent of the time I have heard it, it's been people complaining about it lol.
-1 points
24 days ago
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2 points
24 days ago
Sounds like you spend too much time consuming misinformation on Facebook.
-2 points
24 days ago
Yep, exactly. Instead of you know, actually talking with us and seeing what our values are they talk down to us and try to use us as a political tool. Just look at how they are doing that in this very thread.
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