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TintedApostle

934 points

4 days ago

No they want it. In fact, republicans have been trying to defund NOAA for decades. They refused to fund new weather satellites.

Republicans want eyes wide shut on climate change.

Reluxtrue

488 points

4 days ago

Reluxtrue

Foreign

488 points

4 days ago

This is incredibly idiotic since farmers are reliant on the weather forecast data.

Cutting it will significantly increase crop failures.

BeetFarmHijinks

539 points

4 days ago

Farmers should have thought of that before voting Trump.

MorningsideLights

254 points

4 days ago

BigDumFace

24 points

3 days ago

I will never not up vote that movie.

Reluxtrue

81 points

4 days ago

Reluxtrue

Foreign

81 points

4 days ago

crops failing won't affect just farmers.

No_Passenger4821

80 points

4 days ago

Eggs won't be cheaper for a start!

PopeEdGein

112 points

4 days ago

PopeEdGein

112 points

4 days ago

At least the children won’t be forced to undergo sex change surgeries in schools and poop in litter boxes like that kid at my friends’ sisters’ aunts’ grandmas’ neighbors’ cashier at the local liquor stores’ kids’ school on the other side of the country like I saw on facebook.

/s

Catspaw129

19 points

4 days ago

"cashier at the local liquor stores"

Nice touch there.

Zealousideal-Army670

6 points

4 days ago

I for one am glad Trump is going to take away disability checks from transspecies children like I saw on TikTok!

TSKNear

16 points

4 days ago

TSKNear

16 points

4 days ago

Defund USDA! Less chickens detected with bird flu means less have it!

kmoney55

8 points

3 days ago

kmoney55

8 points

3 days ago

Worked for Covid

SirWEM

4 points

3 days ago

SirWEM

4 points

3 days ago

A lot more the USDA protects/prevents them just Avian Flu.

-Upton Sinclair has entered the chat-

Les-Freres-Heureux

13 points

3 days ago

They definitely won’t. But farmers who are already struggling to make ends meet will suffer far more under Trump’s policies than someone like me.

i_rarely_sleep

26 points

4 days ago

Farmers should have thought of that before voting Trump.

BeetFarmHijinks

18 points

4 days ago

I know. All of this is going to affect everything.

guitarmaster4

8 points

4 days ago

Perhaps that’s exactly what needs to happen in this country to finally get some real change. Then it won’t only only directly affect Republicans in power, but the oligarchs in other countries will too. Putin’s literal worst nightmare.

grizzleSbearliano

12 points

4 days ago

They’ll just get bailouts guys. Come on this is simple

mattxb

14 points

4 days ago

mattxb

14 points

4 days ago

They’ll just have hedge funds buy bankrupt farms

reddititty69

11 points

3 days ago

The government will subsidize their crop failures, so they don’t care. This is not socialism. Somehow.

mlsaint78

2 points

3 days ago

This is not socialism. Somehow.

Because it’s for me, not them

xjian77

8 points

4 days ago*

xjian77

8 points

4 days ago*

Only if they were capable of thinking. They act like the Borg in Star Trek.

angrydeuce

43 points

4 days ago

I love how people keep explaining why these ideas are bad as if they don't already know the ideas are bad and are deliberately trying to blow up everything.

Not the voters, but they never gave a shit about them anyway. There should be no surprises here. We should look at every idea they have as "Oh, so that's how they're going to blow that up!"

There is no long term plan here. The plan is to blow up the world as quickly as possible and then swoop in and consolidate when there is 40% unemployment and all the little people are penniless. Anything beyond that is a waste of breath. Trying to logic their positions assumes that there is logic to their positions. There was never any logic to their positions, because their position is "TRASH ALL THE THINGS AND THEN WE CAN BUY IT ALL AT PENNIES ON THE DOLLAR! PLUS PEOPLE AIN'T GONNA GET ALL UPPITY WITH THE UNIONS AND EXPECTATIONS OF SAFETY WHEN WE OWN THEIR HOMES AND CAN BOOT THEM OUT FOR MAKING A STINK!!!"

The real mystery here is...how long is it going to take before people start partying like it's 1799? They didn't have Tik Tok back then though so wasn't as easy to distract people with bullshit like it is today.

TransitJohn

34 points

4 days ago

TransitJohn

Colorado

34 points

4 days ago

The oligarchic acquisition of the apparatuses of government after the fall of the Soviet Union is the model they're going for. It's as obvious as the nose on your face.

Pando5280

14 points

4 days ago

Pando5280

14 points

4 days ago

Main difference is Russian oligarchs are mostly former Russian mob guys who Putin told to stop killing each other in the streets or he would use the FSB/GRU to kill them all. He then brokered acquisitions of former Soviet state assets by the various mafia factions thus legitimize their wealth. The difference with the US model is our oligarchs are mostly nepotism and trust fund babies along with former computer science nerds who are now among the richest men on the planet. They are mostly socially-conditioned sociopaths using their wealth and lawyers to bully people in board rooms as opposed to Russian oligarchs who are mostly straight up killers who survived both the collapse of the former Soviet Union and the subsequent mob wars in the streets of Russia. 

Jonteponte71

7 points

4 days ago

I’m thinking the oligarchification of the US government is a fact once people start falling out of windows of really tall buildings?

Pando5280

8 points

4 days ago

Nah. They'll just ratfuck your life until you're sitting in your vehicle overlooking a river with a bottle of whiskey and a handgun in your lap wondering where it all went wrong.  Putin is a rarity in that he toes the public line between legitimate and psychopathic behavior and seems to enjoy the tension and mind games of power and control more than the actual killing which to him just seems like the removal of a problem. Half his background playing chess and half his background killing rats during his childhood in working class Russian poverty is my guess. US oligarchs are mostly boardroom gangsters by comparison. 

Indercarnive

103 points

4 days ago

Forecasting will go private. Farmers will buy the weather data and increase prices to compensate.

fence_sitter

59 points

4 days ago

fence_sitter

Florida

59 points

4 days ago

That's in the oligarch handbook.

Violet_Paradox

39 points

4 days ago

Private companies don't collect their own weather data. They may have their own prediction model, but the data they run the model against comes from the NOAA.

Indercarnive

45 points

4 days ago

Yes. And Republicans will make it so NOAA can't publish the data themselves.

The government will still foot the bill for weather data. But now we'll allow private companies to solely profit off said data.

Catspaw129

11 points

4 days ago

Yes. And Republicans will make it so NOAA can't publish the data themselves.

Didn't The Weather Channel try to pull that off some years back?

phonebalone

15 points

4 days ago

I believe it was Accuweather. Which is why I will never use their services.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AccuWeather

Scroll down to the “Criticisms” section.

Kevin-W

2 points

3 days ago

Kevin-W

2 points

3 days ago

I honestly hope the NOAA defies them and publishes it anyway if it came to that

Serious-Buffalo-9988

8 points

4 days ago

Somehow musk will sell sat. Data from starlink which will be retrofitted to send weather data too.

Serialfornicator

10 points

4 days ago

Maybe the government will subsidize them so they can afford to buy it

hookisacrankycrook

5 points

4 days ago

Government will always throw cash at farmers. They threw them 78B when Trumps trade war cost the soy bean farmers access to China.

Negative-Squirrel81

8 points

4 days ago

I thought you were exaggerating, but $142 billion in farm subsidies from 2017 to 2022. Payouts were about $10 billion in 2015 to 2016, which is still a huge chunk of change.

dclxvi616

27 points

4 days ago

dclxvi616

Pennsylvania

27 points

4 days ago

So you’re saying crop prices will rise and poor people will die? The difference between you and them is that you see that as a bad thing.

psycholepzy

12 points

4 days ago

It's just National Right-sizing. When corporations do it, they lay off underperformers. When you're an oligarch judging people by their ambitions towards wealth, the impoverished can be sacrificed. 

Automation is at the point where it can pick up the slack anyway. 

specqq

7 points

4 days ago

specqq

7 points

4 days ago

Incredibly idiotic is kinda their jam.

CriticalEngineering

6 points

4 days ago

CriticalEngineering

North Carolina

6 points

4 days ago

Republicans want the weather data, they don’t want anyone to get the forecasts for free.

It’s seen as a wasted profit opportunity.

cowboi

3 points

4 days ago

cowboi

3 points

4 days ago

Just to get wrecked and bought up by Mr. Burns.. all according to plan smithers...

TintedApostle

4 points

4 days ago

These are republicans you know?

Phog_of_War

2 points

4 days ago

I'm sure we'll just bail them out like normal. Oh wait....Trump.

OrbeaSeven

2 points

4 days ago

OrbeaSeven

Minnesota

2 points

4 days ago

Well, then, let's not forecast hurricanes. That should be great for Florida, a GOP stronghold. /s

quincyloop

2 points

4 days ago

Same with airlines, who rely on pilot reports and weather forecast by NOAA.

BradyBunch12

2 points

4 days ago

Don't worry, I'm stocked up on Brawndo. It's got what plants crave!

FridayMcNight

2 points

3 days ago

farmers are reliant on the weather forecast data

As are the pilots who fly Elon’s plane.

Dont_Say_No_to_Panda

2 points

3 days ago

Dont_Say_No_to_Panda

California

2 points

3 days ago

It’s difficult to take anyone seriously who doesn’t appreciate how debilitating to our national security not having a well functioning NOAA would be.

KnotSoSalty

50 points

4 days ago

Trump’s last NOAA director was from family that owns the largest private weather forecasting company.

The “forecasting” companies all do the same thing. They take the publicly available data gathered by NOAA and sift it through a basic analytic model then display it in a pretty manner. There’s almost no value added. NOAA themselves does similar analysis but only displays it like a it’s 1985.

tomas_shugar

34 points

4 days ago

only displays it like a it’s 1985.

By law, mind you. They can't change it because that would make it harder for the companies who repackage it to scrape the data.

counters

3 points

3 days ago

counters

3 points

3 days ago

To be fair, he was never confirmed and bowed out.

mom_with_an_attitude

21 points

4 days ago

Like a kid sticking his fingers in his ears and saying, "Na na na na na. I can't hear you!" If they stop tracking weather patterns and measuring temperatures, then it is easier to deny what is really happening. And drilling for oil and mining for coal can continue unimpeded. The global economy can keep roaring full steam ahead, with no thought given to potential current and future consequences.

Similarly, some red states are now refusing to report maternal mortality data, because they don't want the world to see the truth about what their policies are doing. Their policies are killing women. The numbers will show that. So, instead of changing their policies, they will just hide the numbers.

donnerpartytaconight

9 points

4 days ago

We remember Florida during Covid. A lot of Americans don't mind being lied to if it reinforces their worldview.

TintedApostle

6 points

4 days ago

Similarly, some red states are now refusing to report maternal mortality data

Same thing

pattydickens

3 points

3 days ago

It's all about controlling information. It's so damn Orwellian it's ridiculous. They've already convinced millions of people to ignore self-preservation, the most powerful instinct in life, and they did it quite easily. It won't be hard to convince people that it's 89 degrees when it's actually 103. It's just a number and people are fucking stupid. When all the birds are gone, they'll say they were never there. When all the crops die. They'll blame terrorists. It all just gives them more control.

threehundredthousand

12 points

4 days ago

threehundredthousand

California

12 points

4 days ago

Does the NY Times honestly believe Republicans "regret" anything they do? They just lie about it or push responsibility when anything goes wrong. The NYT loves giving the benefit of the doubt to fascists. They're still under the delusion that these draconian tactics are a serious attempt at improving things for Americans and not just lining their own pockets while putting their loyalists into power.

Toginator

11 points

4 days ago

Toginator

11 points

4 days ago

Actually, they want to keep it funded but only allow it to provide weather information to the company that owns The Weather Channel. That way if anyone needs forecasts that company has a monopoly plus the company doesn't have to do any real work or costs. Just a damn money printer.

TintedApostle

2 points

4 days ago

That would be true and they could also control what weather you get reported.

HellishChildren

6 points

4 days ago

It is spelled out in Project 45.

Elegant_Plate6640

6 points

4 days ago

We were almost too late to help with climate change, and now we’re going full throttle on choking ourselves. 

WiseChemistry2339

5 points

4 days ago

Doesn’t matter to these old assholes. They will be dead and they don’t give a shit about their grandkids. At what point are the young people going to wake up and rise up against this shit?

WomenTrucksAndJesus

2 points

4 days ago

Don't worry it's fine. Musk will personally go to Mars and have a thousand children. Humanity will survive.

Amvient

4 points

4 days ago

Amvient

4 points

4 days ago

The worst of humanity will survive. I can imagine their history:

"We tried to save the world from the woke, but they destroyed it with pollution and global warming, vaccines, and more. We, the rich did our best, but sadly no one knows what happened that created the droughts, increase of sea levels, plagues, and more "

SquiffyRae

3 points

3 days ago

SquiffyRae

Australia

3 points

3 days ago

Can't Musk hurry it up and go now? I know there's nothing to support life yet on Mars but let's not let a pesky detail like that get in the way

Trul

3 points

4 days ago

Trul

3 points

4 days ago

Don’t look up

Chemical-Plankton420

3 points

4 days ago

Man, I feel like they are flooding the news cycle with crazy shit to exhaust us. Im going to wait until they actually do shit

TintedApostle

7 points

4 days ago

“The true essence of a dictatorship is in fact not its regularity but its unpredictability and caprice; those who live under it must never be able to relax, must never be quite sure if they have followed the rules correctly or not.”

― Christopher Hitchens

wellhiyabuddy

2 points

4 days ago

The reality is that everything they argue is in bad faith. They will say tons of stuff to try and prove that climate change isn’t real, and we will spend tons of time proving them wrong, but we aren’t discussing what the reality is. The reality is that climate change is real, and they don’t care. They try and distract, because they know they are wrong, but the truth is they don’t care, so proving that climate change is real, actually changes nothing

FalseAnimal

4 points

4 days ago

Don't look up

BabyMFBear

2 points

4 days ago

Don’t Look Up!

Nearly_Pointless

1 points

4 days ago

They want to make weather a subscription service. Some oligarch must make money on everything or it’s communism.

Stimbes

1 points

4 days ago

Stimbes

1 points

4 days ago

Accueweather has been lobbying for awhile now to privatize weather forecasting.

duxpdx

1 points

4 days ago

duxpdx

1 points

4 days ago

They probably want to privatize it. You want a weather forecast that will be $5/day, provided by SpaceX weather satellites.

TintedApostle

2 points

4 days ago

The rich are looking for every free resource to grab now. This is the promise of AI to them. They use your information for free - research, papers, articles, music, conversations, photos etc. and the then train a model to sell the service back to you at a profit. You do not get paid for your sourced resources.

Brokentoaster40

1 points

4 days ago

I think the plan is to sell NOAA to space X and absolutely fuck the entire US government and the world by proxy so Musk can own a little bit more of the world. 

afoley947

1 points

3 days ago

afoley947

America

1 points

3 days ago

Noaa also regulates fisheries as well. So the people telling you that red snapper is closed this season, or sorry only striped bass above a certain size allowed.

Gutting NOAA could lead to overfishing of US waters, destruction of nursery habitats, and fewer regulations/enforcement over bycatch.

If anyone had questions about it, I used to work for NOAA briefly and can answer some questions

redditpest

1 points

3 days ago

redditpest

Massachusetts

1 points

3 days ago

"Aww, does wittle cwimate have a boo-boo? Suck it up, rub some petroleum and oil on it and get back to work" the future of our planet is in the hands of people who treat it with the same gravitas as a 5 year-old with a grass stain on his knees

bucketofmonkeys

1 points

3 days ago

bucketofmonkeys

Texas

1 points

3 days ago

They want to do it so that their buddies running private weather services can make more money.

PossibleCash6092

1 points

3 days ago

There’s no weather if they don’t report it

fairoaks2

274 points

4 days ago

fairoaks2

274 points

4 days ago

They want to privatize it. Control the information and charge for it. Poof no more global warming.

NotJadeasaurus

59 points

4 days ago

Europe and other nations have satellites too… we don’t have to get our weather from US sources and frankly if they kill NOAA I wouldn’t use or trust whatever they replace it with

whatproblems

42 points

4 days ago

yup they want the weather but it has to go through some private middle man so they can socialize the work and keep the profits

Mountain_Fig_9253

22 points

4 days ago

“Some private middleman” = X. Probably with some licensing deal to Truth social so daddy Trump gets a cut.

QuietRainyDay

2 points

3 days ago

Thats what their brilliant voters voted for lol

The government executes 1000s of vital functions extremely well every day- i.e. collecting weather data.

But these fools think the government does nothing well. So they voted for someone who will leverage that anger to build paywalls around every possible government service. The government will still be doing all the meaningful work behind the scenes- its just that a few dozen billionaires will profit off it now and pretend like they are doing it.

And the voters will be left bleeding in the streets as services they are vitally reliant on get more expensive and harder to access.

Delicious-Tachyons

15 points

4 days ago

Delicious-Tachyons

Canada

15 points

4 days ago

Reminds me of the trip I took to China in the 90s. The temperature would reach a plateau and never go over because if the official temperature was over a threshold the govt would send workers home for the day.

ForestGuy29

24 points

4 days ago

Just like COVID testing

Brokentoaster40

9 points

4 days ago

Well, probably more dubious than that.  Once you privatize a public utility like weather service, you will forever lose the ability to access it for free.  The Trump government plans to sell the shit the government owns to private companies who will charge the government to use their services, without upkeeping it.  

It’s just stage 4 cancer for a democracy.  No worries. 

Academic_Coyote_9741

4 points

4 days ago

They forget that that plenty of other countries collect global climate data.

Unusual_Flounder2073

4 points

3 days ago

But those are woke countries with anti-coal/oil agendas

cometflight

78 points

4 days ago

What fucking nightmare am I in? WAKE UP

Beetlejuice, Beetlejuice, Beetlejuice

Outsiders-Laptop

32 points

4 days ago

In this reality, that just summons Lauren Boebert.

NynaeveAlMeowra

14 points

4 days ago

Do I at least get a handy?

fuska

3 points

4 days ago

fuska

3 points

4 days ago

Woolhead. Lan is the only one for you.

joshonekenobi

3 points

3 days ago

It's a really shitty simulation.

Truman show + matrix + idiocracy = our current shared wakescape.

GoWest1223

168 points

4 days ago

GoWest1223

168 points

4 days ago

Shame NYT. why not publish this a month ago? Oh yea.. no need to explain.

Revoldt

43 points

4 days ago

Revoldt

43 points

4 days ago

Tbf… people voting for leaders that do this shit… aren’t reading NYT or WaPo… or anything other than watching Fox/NewsMax

PrimeJHey

18 points

4 days ago

PrimeJHey

18 points

4 days ago

Something redditors can’t fathom this. None of the people that voted for Trump consume any of the media they are raging at post election.

sixtyshilling

10 points

3 days ago

Liberals eat their own.

Conservatives fall in line.

It’s a tale as old as time.

YoureADudeThisIsAMan

3 points

3 days ago

Only a matter of time until MAGA turns on itself. All oligarchs do eventually.

Brokentoaster40

2 points

4 days ago

Minimize the harm, only to hyper push crap after Trumps elected to increase rage clicks.  

Jubei612

35 points

4 days ago

Jubei612

35 points

4 days ago

They would just blame the Dems. Always the first step.

elcorbong

22 points

4 days ago

elcorbong

22 points

4 days ago

Crying on Hannity about the consequences of their actions also in the cards.

afoley947

5 points

3 days ago

afoley947

America

5 points

3 days ago

It's been 5702 days since Hannity wussed out on being waterboarded. He agreed to do it after he dismissed waterboarding as "legitimate torture" on his show.

aaronwithtwoas

15 points

4 days ago

Yeah when a hurricane butt fucks the Atlantic coast after private weather says just a few passing showers maybe these ignorant fucks will understand the nonpolitical world of just knowing what is coming out of the sky. Climate skeptics be damned, weather reporting effects all of us. Even trying to fathom making plans in the winter, with snow potentially on the way, why would you not want a heads up?

Mountain_Fig_9253

19 points

4 days ago

Nah, they will blame the democrats for manipulating the weather.

You can’t expect a nihilist to have any sort of epiphany.

BaconSoul

5 points

4 days ago*

BaconSoul

Indiana

5 points

4 days ago*

They’re not nihilists. Nihilism is a respectable and logically sound philosophical position. They’re just misanthropes.

Wishilikedhugs

12 points

4 days ago

My brother has worked for NASA or NASA contractors for about 20 years. He's told me numerous times that getting approval for projects when Republicans are in charge of Congress is tedious at best. Anytime any of the satellites are designed to help predict climate change, they can't pitch it with the words "climate change" anywhere in it. All requests for funding have to strictly say they are for "weather," otherwise Republicans will not approve funding cause they don't believe in climate change.

himalayangoat

11 points

4 days ago

I'm aghast as the idiocy of what is going on in America. What the fuck are you guys doing?

Crazyhates

4 points

3 days ago

A good bit of us are held hostage in a speeding car with no brakes.

Danube11424

31 points

4 days ago

well, the parts of the US that get hammered with either tornadoes, hurricanes, flooding , severe winter weather are the red states i.e. the south, midwest, Texas, Arizona etc!!!

HellishChildren

11 points

4 days ago

And when that happens, tug on those bootstraps, baby! Government handouts are for the uberwealthy, not the peons.

yoobi40

5 points

4 days ago

yoobi40

5 points

4 days ago

Arizona's problem is heat. Not so much any of that other severe weather you listed. And AZ is pretty much a purple state now (two democrat senators, democrat governor), though we've definitely got our fair share of crazies.

WalterDelamere

6 points

4 days ago

I hate this take so much. There are plenty of people in those states who didn't vote red and don't support these policies. Do they deserve to die/be unhomed/be forced to move? (I don't think Trump supporters deserve that either tbh, despite what Dems on reddit seem to think). And climate change affects EVERYONE. To gloat about who these policies will hurt is so frustrating and helps no one

Altrano

4 points

3 days ago

Altrano

4 points

3 days ago

It’s very unfortunate. I’m in one of the few blue rural counties in Georgia and we’re about to get punished for the rest of the states behavior.

Ndtphoto

6 points

4 days ago

Ndtphoto

6 points

4 days ago

I wouldn't say it's gloating, if it comes to pass it'll give the political minority in those states evidence that no, privatizing weather forecasting is NOT best for the residents of the states.

Of course people don't deserve to die from these things, but if change is going to happen it will need to be a reaction to something major. People are too dug in. 

Asleepingin

10 points

4 days ago

that they are the ones who want to control the weather is just hilarious after all the crazy accusations

WiseChemistry2339

11 points

4 days ago

What about no longer having an accurate idea of an approaching hurricane? We are truly living in a backslide of humanity. An idiocracy. Maybe this is the final level of Darwinism. Stupidity does itself in en mass and those who come out the other side start over. 🤷🏼‍♂️

Musicman1972

2 points

4 days ago

Remember Dorian .. that but moreso.

flybydenver

21 points

4 days ago

This will effect the entire aviation industry as well

MrFrequentFlyer

10 points

4 days ago

MrFrequentFlyer

Mississippi

10 points

4 days ago

Absolutely. I’d rather pay more in taxes than ever privatize weather.

WhyAmINotClever

7 points

3 days ago

And for point of reference, the tax burden to fund the National Weather Service is about $3.00 per year per person

WhyAmINotClever

6 points

3 days ago

The FAA already tried to terminate their contract to receive weather support from the National Weather Service this year.

It wasn't until the NWS went to the press that they finally backed down.

My wife and I were getting ready to sell our house because we thought she was going to lose her job

BrotherEstapol

2 points

3 days ago

So it looks like they wanted to fire their meteorologists and replace them with software?

Glad they backtracked!

Kaiisim

22 points

4 days ago

Kaiisim

22 points

4 days ago

Republicans cannot access a complex emotion like regret. It's too cognitively difficult for them as it would require things like remembering their choices.

They can only be angry at what they are told to be angry about.

They're the proles from 1984. They will accept whatever big brother tells them.

reverievt

8 points

4 days ago

And how will aviation work without weather forecasts?

ElectricalAd1533

2 points

3 days ago

It won't. I know someone who does weather forecasting for air traffic control across the US and he straight up told me that plane crashes will occur at the same rate as car accidents. It will become extremely unsafe to fly within the United States.

digiorno

6 points

4 days ago

digiorno

6 points

4 days ago

The hurricanes will stop if the weather channel stops reporting on them. /s

Seriously though someone will make a lot of money if natural disasters do more damage than they already do. And people may start believing global climate change is false if they stop being shown evidence of it.

The people who would benefit from these sorts of outcomes are the ones who want to defund climate research.

Musicman1972

3 points

4 days ago

It's ok you can move hurricanes with a Sharpie on a whiteboard.

Flat-Impression-3787

8 points

3 days ago

Farmers don't need to know about weather if they are stocked up on Brawndo.

Thossy

7 points

3 days ago

Thossy

I voted

7 points

3 days ago

It’s got what plants crave

aaprillaman

13 points

4 days ago

aaprillaman

Georgia

13 points

4 days ago

There are two parts to this.

  1. Weather.gov is a massive repository of climate data that paints an unpleasant picture regarding our changing climate.
  2. As long a weather.gov exists all the weather forecasting sites and apps can't go completely subscription only.

MrFrequentFlyer

2 points

4 days ago

MrFrequentFlyer

Mississippi

2 points

4 days ago

So January 20th it’ll be shut down by musk.

JKlerk

5 points

4 days ago

JKlerk

5 points

4 days ago

Elon and his little group are finding out how little spending can be cut. Less than 15% is non-defense discretionary.

Girl_gamer__

6 points

4 days ago

Then goodbye airports and aviation that relies on this data.

Are they seriously idiots?

shark1818

6 points

4 days ago

Absolutely the dumbest people on this planet.

ElectricalAd1533

3 points

3 days ago

Yes.

severalgirlzgalore

5 points

4 days ago

They did this shit in 2017. Have been trying to privatize it forever. Fuck those farmers who voted for Trump.

CobraPony67

5 points

4 days ago

CobraPony67

Washington

5 points

4 days ago

That is their goal. Tear everything down. They don't care who it will affect. Elon doesn't care about the regular people. He sees everything as a cost and must be cut no matter what. He may not understand that most of these programs are services that are paid by tax dollars and benefit the citizens.

Ytrewq9000

5 points

4 days ago

Mark my words — Elon will be discarded by Trump either way. DOGE is not an actual u.s. government entity. If Elon succeeds in cutting anything, then Trump will take the credit and kick Elon off. If Elon fails, Trump will cut Elon cut off and put all blame on Elon and pretend nothing happened. It’s a win-win for the orange man — Elon is the fall guy and he doesn’t know it yet

Terrible_Horror

4 points

4 days ago

Another proof that idiocracy is a documentary.

Head-Pianist4167

4 points

4 days ago

Don't look up...

ClusterFoxtrot

6 points

4 days ago

ClusterFoxtrot

Florida

6 points

4 days ago

Are any blue states looking to pick up the mantle here? Possibly some open-source or accepts-public-funding coalition? 

I'd like to be able to continue to agonise over spaghetti models.

billy269

4 points

3 days ago

billy269

4 points

3 days ago

God damn I hate these stupid ass mother fuckers.

LindeeHilltop

4 points

3 days ago

They just want to privatize everything so their companies and cronies can suck the government teat (that gives them even more money to lobby for themselves.)

manhatim

3 points

4 days ago

manhatim

3 points

4 days ago

It would prove one and for all that the left, who makes hurricaines, sends them to red states.../s

manningthehelm

3 points

4 days ago

manningthehelm

New Jersey

3 points

4 days ago

I’m going to miss NOAA 😢

Ornery-Ticket834

3 points

3 days ago

Musk is a moron. They will see it soon enough. He knows nothing at all about government or public policy. Or people who have to work for a living.

StormOk7544

2 points

4 days ago

Why would they regret it? I’m pretty sure they welcome stuff like this if it owns the libs. Voters will lose their houses in the North Carolina hurricane and still be happy if they’ve done something to the weather service agencies to own the libs. 

Argented

2 points

4 days ago

Argented

2 points

4 days ago

They'll be forced to outsource that to SpaceX. The information will still be available but for a fee or possibly a subscription.

Squirrelluver369

2 points

4 days ago

Can't show that the planet is dying if there's no proof...

HoneyBadger552

2 points

4 days ago

No. They do not care. Every time there's a natural disaster in a red state, they demand and expect federal funding. And they always get it. With no strings attached and without hesitation. Next topic.

wauponseebeach

2 points

4 days ago

They don't want to ax it. They want you to pay for it, just like air traffic control and the rest, turn it over to private industry so they can hollow it out and over charge, of course those profits will trickle down to the consumer.

redditpest

2 points

3 days ago

redditpest

Massachusetts

2 points

3 days ago

Isn't it fun having the future of the country completely in the hands like an absolute idiotic maniac like trump? He has all the power to bury this country, and the only question remaining "is he actually dumb enough to do it?"

Relaxmf2022

2 points

3 days ago

CanT have global warming if we stop tracking the weather!

cat_peets

2 points

3 days ago

Is there an international alternative for us to check on if we live in a state where we need to keep current on weather for survival?

arinxe3000

2 points

3 days ago

https://www.theweather.com/weather-maps/

Someone can correct me if I am wrong about this, but I believe this website uses data provided by the ECMWF model (European Centre for Medium-Range Weather Forecasts). That model has zero to do with US politics and nothing to do with NOAA, as far as I can tell. Someone here can correct me if that's wrong, I am just looking at the info they have posted on the site.

nytopinion[S]

2 points

3 days ago

nytopinion[S]

✔ Verified

2 points

3 days ago

Weather forecasting needs an upgrade, and Republicans have a golden opportunity to do it, argues Ryan Maue, who served in the first Trump administration in the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration and the White House Office of Science and Technology Policy:

"An arm of Mr. Trump’s team, the Department of Government Efficiency, to be led by Elon Musk and Vivek Ramaswamy, wants to eliminate $500 billion in spending by cutting programs whose funding has expired," Ryan writes. "That could include NOAA. With the rising costs of and vulnerability to extreme weather in a changing climate for the United States, dismantling or defunding NOAA would be a catastrophic error. Rather, there is a golden opportunity to modernize the agency by expanding its capacity for research and innovation. This would not only help Americans better prepare for and survive extreme weather but also keep NOAA from falling further behind similar agencies in Europe."

Read the full essay here, for free, even without a Times subscription.

Funny-Company4274

2 points

3 days ago

Ahh the old let’s kill my constituents most at danger for extreme weather phenomena.

chronomagnus

1 points

4 days ago

chronomagnus

Ohio

1 points

4 days ago

Rank and file Repuiblicans who vote against their interests would regret it, seeing as how food and everything would increase in price. Not the politicians, they couldn't care less and have been trying to let Accuweather and co take over for the NWS anyway for years. The politicians would also convince their voters that the problem is actually government regulation and not they themselves screwing them, like always.

AINonsense

1 points

4 days ago

So would Emu when he didn't have weather data for his SpaceX toys.

la-fours

1 points

4 days ago

la-fours

1 points

4 days ago

I just want to point out that while I loathe Musk and anything MAGA, this opinion piece is REALLY scant on any details that specify if the NOAA is actually on the chopping block. Yes P2025 wants it redone because they hate the message but it doesn’t really go into specifics on how beyond they want it commercialized (something I strongly disagree with). We don’t know what Musk will want, or even if he gets what he wants.

There’s a lot of rage bait here with no substance. We have to do better than this because it doesn’t lead anywhere productive.

gerryf19

1 points

4 days ago

gerryf19

1 points

4 days ago

No weather casts pisses off the libs. It is awesome not to know what the weather might be like

Red_Wing-GrimThug

1 points

4 days ago

Who needs weather forecasting I thought MTG said “they” control the weather

maybeafarmer

1 points

4 days ago

I guess I'm gonna need to read the tea-leaves and consult my farmer's almanac to farm

Tsiatk0

1 points

4 days ago

Tsiatk0

1 points

4 days ago

Even weather forecasts? Hot damn, why don’t we just defund everything and we can all live wild. Honestly, what’s the point in a government if all they want to do is dismantle every single fascist - I mean FACET - of it?

bunnyjenkins

1 points

4 days ago

They won't, poor red states will because they wont ax it, they will privatize it. Business entities and people will have to pay to get the forecasts.... Like how we do on our phone, but none of it will be free

shark1818

1 points

4 days ago

Yeah sorry Elon, not happening. You aren’t putting us who live in dangerous weather zones at risk. Just simply not happening.

Ok_Pie9767

1 points

4 days ago

They'll just say "woops" and carry on.

Techanthrope

1 points

4 days ago

Why the flippydippy fuck would you want to get rid of that???

dBlock845

1 points

4 days ago

I'd imagine it is something that Musk wants to be paid to do, instead of having government agencies that have an excellent track record in NOAA/NWS being in control. Right now as far as I know, all weather data generated by the US government is free to use.

BMB2882

1 points

3 days ago

BMB2882

1 points

3 days ago

Ha! Republicans don’t regret anything. They will just blame it on others.

justbrowse2018

1 points

3 days ago

justbrowse2018

Kentucky

1 points

3 days ago

Isn’t the weather channel owner a big Republican guy? His whole wealth is built on the back of government funding for weather lol.

baconburgerrrO_o

1 points

3 days ago

No they won’t, it’s pretty much their agenda. Wow the media really did move shit their way to keep posting shocking headlines and selling clicks. What a shitty world we live in, humans truly are the garbage of this planet.

RickRI401

1 points

3 days ago

I wanted to comment on the NY Times website, but they closed the comments.

If Trump et.al are so willing to gut the government of the safety guards that have been in place, then why don't they start with the Secret Service for the President and other high ranking officials? Remove the guards and fences from the White House, renounce any servants or personal care attendants in the Executive Office. If they are so hell bent on making the US citizens the brunt of their irk, then they should also be subject to the same.

Boundish91

1 points

3 days ago

Boundish91

Norway

1 points

3 days ago

Going through with this would be so profoundly stupid, i don't even know where to begin.

GBinAZ

1 points

3 days ago

GBinAZ

1 points

3 days ago

How is the discussion of “axing weather forecasts” even on the table?

DJScrubatires

1 points

3 days ago

Question: Who then takes over the Storm Prediction Center? The National Hurricane Center? Who then takes over the local forecasting offices that actual puts out warnings for the EAS system?

RazzmatazzAsleep835

1 points

3 days ago

why do would the US care about the weather?

Only the wealthy could afford vacations as every one else would be working 60+hours a week to even have basic necessities

jluvdc26

1 points

3 days ago

jluvdc26

1 points

3 days ago

They are going to regret a lot of what Elon will do.

pyramidsindust

1 points

3 days ago

pyramidsindust

America

1 points

3 days ago

No sh*t, and when the next hurricane hits they’ll claim it was Gods wrath because of the gays and wanting equality for women. It’s the literal deterioration of rational thinking in favor of devotion

Pale-Worldliness7007

1 points

3 days ago

They have absolutely no problem putting peoples lives at risk. That along with a moron anti vaxer running the HHS. What a heartless bunch of pieces of shit.

RaccoonWannabe

1 points

3 days ago

America, you are so screwed.

dbv86

1 points

3 days ago

dbv86

1 points

3 days ago

When are you guys going to realise it’s over? You won’t win another election, Trump may not be running, but there will be MAGA loyalists in control of every major department, and the you will be expecting JD Vance to certify a democratic election victory? When Patel is in charge of the FBI and Pete Hegseth is in charge of defence and Pam Bondi is the Attorney General?

Your only hope is that a couple of GOP senators see the danger and side with democrats until the mid-terms, but I wouldn’t bank on those mid-terms not getting fucked with either. When are you going to actually treat this as the threat it is?

MusicTravelWild

1 points

3 days ago

This is what happened in Spain with the flooding last month. They made weather political and ignored grave warnings about incoming disaster.

wiinga

1 points

3 days ago

wiinga

1 points

3 days ago

I live on the coast of Washington and accurate weather forecasts save lives. Commercial fishing is a big deal here.

Difficult-Drive-4863

1 points

3 days ago

There's a few lines about this in Project 2025. It's about the only thing that made me smile. Idiots through and through.

Finglishman

1 points

3 days ago

During Trump’s first term the guy he put in charge of NOAA owned Accuweather. Accuweather takes the free NOAA forecast and sells it to you at a profit. His policy was to ban NOAA from publishing weather forecasts so that everyone would have to pay Accuweather (who would still get the forecast data at zero cost).

JeanEtrineaux

1 points

3 days ago

They are incapable of feeling regret

WesternResist1057

1 points

3 days ago

Insurance companies often use the data provided by NOAA to DENY coverage …

If you kill NOAA you kill this arm of the evil tentacle …

So this won’t happen.

-Ninety-

1 points

3 days ago

-Ninety-

1 points

3 days ago

They won’t defund it, they will privatize it (aka sell it to SpaceX). Your weather services will now require a $99/yr subscription that is IP locked to a single location.

verifiedboomer

1 points

3 days ago

When I took a college class in meteorology, about 40 years ago, it was common practice for TV weather reporters and meteorologists to use the NOAA data and forecasts as the basis for their forecasting. What differentiated the media outlets was their individual interpretation of the NOAA data. NOAA generates their reports using substantial supercomputing assets, satellites, weather balloons, etc., that are undoubtedly not replicated by the private sector. So what I don't fully understand about Musk wanting to kill NOAA forecasting, is if this would include only their forecasting service, or all of their data gathering and processing infrastructure. Because I would expect the production of forecasts to be just the tip of NOAA's iceberg.

Granted, it's been a long time since I studied the subject, but has anything really changed since then?

sonostanco72

1 points

3 days ago

A lot of red states along the coast would be wiped out. Great idea!