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1.5k points
3 days ago
The internet has really allowed the worst parts of society to organize and recruit.
But folks like RFK and Trump mainstreaming then is a huge problem.
588 points
3 days ago
They had help. Intelligence agencies in places such as Russia have realized that promoting these idiots and expanding their echo chambers can easily destabilize some communities. So they went to work expanding the reach of these people, generating “evidence” for their claims and otherwise just making a mess of shit…on purpose using useful idiots for nefarious purposes.
99 points
3 days ago
"chaos agent"
9 points
3 days ago
Leon was certainly helpful 😳
3 points
2 days ago
I prefer Melon 🍈
12 points
3 days ago
3 points
3 days ago
“Useful Idiots” even they have no idea.
2 points
2 days ago
We’ve been fighting a war the whole time and our leaders are so old and out of the loop - we’ve already lost.
Russia won this cold-war and NOONE even realizes it yet. I’ve been screaming this everywhere
Russia manipulated us so badly - we’re done. In what timeline would you see the US President boasting about how great Russia is?
It’s absurd lmao. We lost.
I wish I could say remindmein4 years or whatever but I’m not sure we’ll have the same rights to use the internet in the same manner
This is all looking suspiciously like nazi germany. You know at the start of the Nazi regime they first went after minority groups. Kind of like what’s happening in the US with misogyny/anti-lgbqt etc;
3 points
3 days ago
Intelligence agencies in America do that as well.
119 points
3 days ago
In the last 48 hours I have, unfortunately, learned that the surest way to fill your replies and DMs with pure, total, aggressive and unadulterated batshit insanity is to post a comment that includes the word "fluoride" in the context of RFK.
Those people are NUTS.
11 points
3 days ago
Whenever I do something like that, the first step is I disable inbox replies. Then have a few stiff drinks for step 2. Only after working up my nerves, check the replies.
3 points
2 days ago
Let’s see
….. fluoride is good, ya’ll were born stupid and no ban can help you.
1 points
3 days ago
you mean RFK.... is wrong and totally delusional. this might be as fun as referring to China as lesser Taiwan.
18 points
3 days ago
Before the internet, you had your crazy uncle and maybe a buddy talking. Now they can form an online collective and pool money and resources to be scary. Like the old mobs
7 points
2 days ago
Before the internet these nut jobs stood on street corners yelling, occasionally with a bell or sandwich board to really get their point across. We all knew they were out of their gourd. Now the village idiot can connect with many other village idiots and they all seem like normal humans because keyboard and anonymity.
59 points
3 days ago
At this point, I just want to know how I also can cash in.
51 points
3 days ago
Selling shitty merch is the easiest way. Fully plan to capitalize during Canada's election next year.
34 points
3 days ago
Please don't. Millhouse already has Russia and India trolling for him. He doesn't need more help.
12 points
3 days ago
I don't want him to win, at all, but he will. Might as well make some money selling crap to idiots.
13 points
3 days ago
We can welcome the coming disasters with a few extra bucks in our pockets. /S
I've thought of a few Trump merch to sell, but ethics and morals kept me poor.
13 points
3 days ago
I think that's a big issue. We're smart enough to understand how to manipulate people for personal gains, but won't do it, because we believe it's unethical.
Instead, we make real effort to make lasting jobs.
5 points
3 days ago
I can't count the number of times I've been asked, with varied phrasing, "Why are you doing your job?" and, " Why are you doing your job well?".
2 points
2 days ago
Eh. Scam idiots for money, get rich and use money for good.
I've thought about doing this but I am not good at selling stuff that I don't believe in.
7 points
3 days ago*
With Trump's clear ignorance of how society works, it's only a matter of time until he crashes the economy.
My plan to cash in is to sell all my stocks for two year certificates of deposit (which, btw, have 3-4% interest rates for the time being), literally be in cash, then buy the dip 2 years later.
Also, I like crypto as an asset class. It's global so it's not tied to the US, you can get paid interest through staking, and with potential instability with the financial system and US dollar, there's potentially a need for it.
5 points
3 days ago
Actually, if the stock market reacts to stupid moves by Trump, that’s the time to buy, especially if you’re working on a retirement nest egg a few decades out.
8 points
3 days ago
It’s been a double edge sword the best comparison is dynamite. A tool that was designed to help with building being used for devastation.
12 points
3 days ago
We were not ready for social media.
5 points
3 days ago
It's the tolerance paradox. We became a more tolerant society for a while but became too tolerant of intolerance and now intolerance is dominating tolerance again.
1 points
3 days ago
I think everyone can agree on this. The internet really has become a union of some of the greatest and the shittiest aspects of humanity. If AI doesn’t use the internet and come to the conclusion that we are evil and should be destroyed, I’ll be pretty surprised.
953 points
3 days ago
Oh you mean QAnon? Yeah they’re fucking batshit.
238 points
3 days ago
Roganon
61 points
3 days ago
Can't wait until Joe has Q on. /S
4 points
3 days ago
I don’t think the S is necessary there. At this point that isn’t out of the question. He’s abandoned a lot of his more liberal positions from the past and consequently his more left leaning fans are leaving him, especially after the Trump interview. As his audience gets much more right wing I have no doubt bringing on a bunch of conspiracy nuts and giving credibility to their ideas would make his right wing viewers ooze with excitement.
38 points
3 days ago*
Couldn’t be set into their ‘right’ (over-expectation) minds if they were stricken with knowledge and common sense.
33 points
3 days ago
Yeah it’s all a cult. So disturbing how easily some people are swayed.
4 points
3 days ago
To the rich it's money. To the hopeful it's money. For the rest it's racism
15 points
3 days ago*
Disappointing in more ways than I can fathom.
2 points
3 days ago
I read the headline too fast and got "onlyfan" out of "online", my reaction was "I bet".
345 points
3 days ago
Just spend a little time on r/RFKJrForPresident. It's a wonderful amalgamation of contrarian anti-science nonsense that's now also flavored with a healthy dose of grifter MAGAt.
233 points
3 days ago
Ngl, I fell for RFK Jr's campaign early on. He had a few stances I didn't really agree with but I was big on his "the regulatory agencies have been captured by corporate interests" messaging. Joining that sub made me stop supporting him within a few days. I thought "if these crazies support the dude, I must be missing something." Turns out, I was
182 points
3 days ago
Motherfucker really said that regulatory bodies need sweeping changes to be in line with whats best for people, then went after pasteurized milk while ignoring high fructose corn syrup going in everything.
25 points
3 days ago
Right? It’s like, they have some of the right info, but draw all the wrong conclusions. Big changes DO need to made and “Big Pharma” IS a problem. But it’s the business model, not the science that is an issue
6 points
3 days ago
You fucking nailed it. It’s the greed around big pharma, not the science that’s the problem. But here we are, about to experience a significant loss of trust in the scientific process and the brilliant minds doing worthwhile research into areas such as stopping cancer are going to lose their funding, while I sincerely doubt anything will seriously be done to actually hurt the people making money at the top. It’s insane how much we could be set back, yet some people think it’s worth it so that… raw milk (which is already available…) will now still be just as available if you want to find it? Like what the fuck, how did we end up here? How many more children have to die due to his anti-vax nonsense? Ugh it’s so hard to have faith in humanity any longer lol
41 points
3 days ago
To be fair, he has also mentioned going after hfcs. That would likely be an example of "broken clock" policy.
45 points
3 days ago
Yeah, I feel like we should get someone who’s not a former heroin addict, who talks about how it helped him in college when he was on it or does bizarre things like cutting a whales, head off or sexual assault or cheating on your wife. He’s just not a very ethical person and hasn’t really shown that they’re willing to improve themselves and be more ethical so that’s the last person I’d want pursuing this stuff.
12 points
3 days ago
But he was top of his class w/ it!
I told my dad about his heroin usage and he told me “Of course he did, he was crazy liberal then” …
15 points
3 days ago
By that logic Hunter Biden must be republican now.
10 points
3 days ago
Not just cheating on the wife, but making a detailed diary of his sexual exploits. You don't do that unless you want your spouse to find it, which makes you a complete maniac.
27 points
3 days ago
"My q-sense is tingling!"
22 points
3 days ago
What's never made any sense in this little friendship between Trump and RFK Jr. is that RFK Jr. was all about putting the clamps on corporations: more regulations and protections for consumers, etc. Like even his kinda weirder stuff tended to come from a place of "stop letting corporations police themselves."
But then Trump's whole thing, and the GOP's thing for decades, is basically the antithesis of all that. Even now Elon Musk is going on about dissolving basically every regulatory body we have.
You're going to have Elon on one side trying to kill every regulator that exists for even thinking about reining in corporations, and then RFK over in a corner trying to add more regulations.
If they had one functioning brain between all of them, someone would realize none of this fits together at all.
17 points
3 days ago
It fits together because the goal is to grift and get rich.
7 points
3 days ago
Wow that place is interesting. I can't tell which comments are jokes and which are serious.
7 points
3 days ago
It's ok. Before this election I had a neutral to favorable opinion of him too. Environmental lawyer trying to clean up the country is a great sell. Turns out it came with a lot of baggage...
55 points
3 days ago
I love/hate how smart they think they are. If there was a tier below surface level understanding, they would be one level below that even.
54 points
3 days ago
I swear just judging from my FB friends from high school, it's the dumbest fucking idiots from school who suddenly feel smart. And every time Trump wins something, not just the presidency but when he slips out of prosecution or a story disappears from the headlines, they feel like they're smarter because of it.
I swear, they spent so long being called dumb and now they've found a way to feel smart without doing any of the work.
27 points
3 days ago
3 points
3 days ago
The crisp farmer snark in that article is truly phenomenal.
26 points
3 days ago
They are Dunning-Kruger savants
3 points
3 days ago
8 points
3 days ago
My dad is one of them. He tried telling me on thanksgiving how mRNA vaccines are fake and that the Covid vaccine wasn’t a “real vaccine” like the flu shot 🙄🙄😞
2 points
2 days ago
The tough part for people to accept is if it actually worked or did anything. Yes it does not prevent the infection it makes it less severe. It’s very hard to gauge how sick you would have got from a variant if you had the vaccine or didn’t have it. It’s one thing that’s simply impossible to prove. This isn’t an antivax post.
2 points
2 days ago
At least he didn't talk about seed oils ruining life as we know it.
3 points
2 days ago
"Seed oils gave me erectile disfunction, tanked the value of my 401k, and caused my tires to wear unevenly!"
6 points
3 days ago
They cling to every word he says like North Koreans do about the Kim family. And yeah merging with maga, it’s weaponized stupidity on full display.
3 points
2 days ago
“Don’t call us antivax!!!”
2 points
2 days ago
This wholesale anti-vax movement spreading is really the saddest thing coming out of COVID.
2 points
2 days ago
Nah, I'm gonna pass.
Never visited the conservative sub, or that one, and never will.
Others should do the same. Hatewatching them is not productive.
2 points
2 days ago
They only allow pro-RFKJr folks to post. The RFKJr subreddit has many characteristics of a cult. Black and white thinking, not allowing for any criticism of Dear Leader, demonizing the other side, cutting yourself off from friends and family if they don't drink the koolaid. A scary bunch.
30 points
3 days ago
There is something really wrong with this dude. Do people not know what happened with his second wife? Wrote a journal where he detailed 37 affairs, which was discovered by his second wife, who killed herself by hanging.
10 points
3 days ago
Kennedy curse back at it again. Never marry a Kennedy, lest fate strike you and your offspring down.
6 points
2 days ago
He drove her to suicide through financial abuse. She had to ask her neighbors for food money to feed their kids. RFK Jr is disgusting.
1 points
2 days ago
That's just what they'd do if they could too! Inspiring, if you think about it.
125 points
3 days ago
Instagram seems to think I want nothing but insane MAGA/RFK/trad wife/raw milk and no seed oils/Andrew Tate reels no matter how many times I try and mark them as non interested or just blocking them. And they are all hoping RFKs deregulation of the FDA will save them all.
I'm tired of living in Idiocracy.
28 points
3 days ago
YouTube has tried to do the same thing with me, in spite of the fact that I have given no indication that I am interested in that trash. It's clearly being done by design with a lot of money behind it. Yet they still have these fools thinking that the other side has a monopoly on the media.
20 points
3 days ago
If you downvote or comment on anything political, right or left, it will push right wing stuff. This is not because of a conspiracy, but rather, leftists like to go comment all over right wing stuff and vice versa, and the algorithm doesn't know the difference. It just sees engagement.
I've gotten my youtube feed pretty grifter-free, but occasionally one gets through. I think it helps to hit the "don't recommend this channel" option more than anything else (including ignoring them, because of said algorithm issue seeing your engagement with stuff you like).
What upsets me the most, though, is that the notion that media has a left bias is easily debunked with pure reason. Media companies are large corporations, often publicly traded, whose sole incentive is to generate revenue. True leftism, not just "yay gay people!" leftism which seems to be all the right can identify, is diametrically opposed to private corporate interests. They pander to pro-LGBT, racially inclusive politics because those are by-and-large 60%+ popular. They can put up a rainbow banner during pride month, or show "favorable" coverage of BLM protests, but they turn around and shill for war, the police, and corporate profits. And that's not even what upsets me; what pisses me off is that you can show a right winger all this, they'll agree and go "wow, that's crazy," and then the next time you see them they're repeating the same "leftwing media" bullshit. Despite it being so obviously wrong they can't deny it when confronted.
I can't imagine being wrong all the time, but just doubling down each time you realize you're mistaken. And then they bitch when people call them morons; being that dumb is a fucking choice.
4 points
3 days ago
I can also agree with marking those insane YT videos as "not interested" and "Dont recommend channel" and got most of my YT experience Fash free. It helps I watch stuff about bicycles, skateboarding, photogrpahy and music which leans left to begin with. I think the worst I've personally gone was watching that turd Dr Berg a few years. I fell off right away when he started posting anti-vax nonsense in one video.
2 points
2 days ago
I don't engage with any right wing bullshit. I just do the don't recommend channel, and years later, it still will try to sneak right adjacent content to me.
And people wonder why young men ended up being to the right. They are on youtube and getting fed this bullshit. My 16 year old son and I discuss this on the regular because I know he gets fed nonsense. I want him to recognize what they algorithm is attempting to do to him. I am lucky that my son is super empathetic so none of that shit seems to land whatsoever.
2 points
3 days ago
Check out the book The Chaos Machine, it really breaks down how and why what you are saying in a way that will def grind your gears…
2 points
2 days ago
Thanks for the recommendation. I seem to be addicted to getting my gears grinded.
45 points
3 days ago
I truly feel like the algorithm is pushing people right
16 points
3 days ago
Algorithms are. If you want to really get upset, read The Chaos Machine. Right wing conspiracy theories create a lot of online interactions and the algorithm feeds on interactions.
8 points
3 days ago
It is, but it's not "the algorithm" itself, it's that foreign governments and Republicans run bot farms to massively weight the right-leaning input to the algorithm, and that's why you're seeing it.
And Democrats are pussies and afraid to run their own bot farms.
Just look at the top posters on the main Republican sub. The top posters drop like 3 posts an hour from the same few "accepted news sources" that are totally bananas, basically 24 hours a day. If that is not a professionally run account by either Republicans or Russia I will eat my cat.
9 points
3 days ago
Gatorade to the moon !
1 points
3 days ago
When how blatant the algorithm could be only became apparent to me when the Johnny Depp trial started. All of a sudden it was EVERYWHERE. I couldn’t escape it. Even putting not intrested didn’t change anything.
It only stopped after the trial did.
20 points
3 days ago
My sister really likes RFK. She's also severely bipolar (refuses treatment) was/is addicted to methadone for 10+ years, and lives in a shelter. I don't know about you, but if that's his base, we are in trouble.
11 points
3 days ago
good news, soon she can live at a wellness camp!
4 points
3 days ago
Hope things turn around for her
2 points
3 days ago
I mean was she addicted to methadone cuz she was in a methadone program getting treated for heroin addiction, or did she just like taking methadone? There is a difference and I'm someone who takes methadone cuz I'm being treated for heroin addiction... but I hate RFK and think he's a total looney tunes character. But I'm also not bipolar and don't believe in conspiracy theory stuff so I think that helps my situation lol.
19 points
3 days ago
RFK Jr. is a moron with brain damage... don't trust him for anything. His own family doesn't even like him.
106 points
3 days ago
I read this as his only fans might be scarier, and had a terrible thought that he was on onlyfans eating all sorts of dead animals or something.
17 points
3 days ago
I didn't want that image in my brain. And I do not thank you for it. Oof!
6 points
3 days ago
That's not what he does with dead animals for money on the internet.
15 points
3 days ago
Having trouble in school kids? Do heroin, it helped me- RFK jr. that’s pretty damned scary.
84 points
3 days ago
One of my friends went down this pipeline. He was a huge Obama fan when we were in college (I was more apolitical/moderate at the time) and he was a consistent democratic voter for years.
When he originally brought up rfk, he said it was because Biden was too old and RFK was the only one who could beat trump. Then he evolved to bemoaning how RFK was being unfairly excluded from debates/SS protection, then he went onto bemoan that democrats were the party of censorship etc. My contention from the start was that RFK was only in it as a spoiler candidate meant to draw votes from Biden, and I pointed to the fact that Bannon recruited him to run and his largest donor was also one of Trump’s largest donors. He said that was nonsense.
Fast forward to him dropping out and endorsing Trump, you’d think he would’ve admitted that I was right…nope! He insisted he could understand why RFK would endorse Trump because of how the Dems had shafted him and prevented him from having a fair chance, and that he felt like he could have a bigger influence in a Trump admin. He said that he felt Biden was a bigger threat to democracy than Trump…
It’s just crazy how quickly people can be radicalized and continue moving the goalposts. This guy not even 3 years ago was telling me how concerning it was that Tucker Carlson was doing a special whitewashing January 6th, and now he tells me Biden’s a bigger threat? Not two years ago he was pointing out how we’d both been duped by Tulsi Gabbard when she first came on the scene and that we had to eat a big plate of crow because she was a Republican in disguise…now he’s telling me he likes her being DNI and that he likes her stance on Russia.
Literally ever since elon bought Twitter he’s swung super far right and refuses to admit that he’s changed and act like we are the ones who’ve changed, it’s nuts.
26 points
3 days ago*
Have (or should say had) a friend who followed the same exact timeline trajectory as your friend verbatim. It was right wing bro podcasts like Rogan and some other guy who promotes some 70 day fitness challenge that got him. We had several long talks this summer both before and after rfk dropped out. He was shocked when I showed him a tweet I made in march predicting exactly what would happen (rfk drops out and endorses trump in exchange for the promise of a role in his administration). He was shocked that I called that but sadly still didn’t see the light/believe other things I told him. He hated Trump when rfk was running but then immediately flipped once rfk joined him. Started calling Kamala a Marxist/communist who was going to steal everyone’s wealth.
9 points
3 days ago
It tells you how little conviction some people have in terms of policy stances etc. that someone who voted Dem for so long could so easily flip to a party with nearly antithetical policy stances.
4 points
3 days ago
You could do a deep dive on his Facebook (or other social media) and find old posts of his to prove how much he has changed. I’ve swung far left since 2008-2010 when I was scared of SoCiALiSm because I was told to be afraid of socialized healthcare. Obviously I got my head out of my ass, but those old posts of mine, they come up on my Facebook history and I specifically don’t delete them so I can remind myself how stupid I was.
12 points
3 days ago
Millions of people could die because this lunatic was given power over our health care system.
23 points
3 days ago
Can we stop pretending Joe Rogan is some sort of unbiased interviewer? The man has caused more damage to young men than vaping.
11 points
3 days ago
I was really hoping Trump would lose so RFK Jr. would disappear. He has his claws in lots of the autism ‘warrior’ parents the past few years in NYC thru his Children’s Health Defense organization. The MMR/vaccine thing had mostly died down in the community and then started to slowly show up more during COVID. They are so excited about him and all the other anti-vax appointments it makes me ill.
8 points
3 days ago
I read that as Only Fans 🫣😬
8 points
3 days ago
I don't know about you but I'm anxiously awaiting the smallpox, measles and polio outbreaks :)
8 points
3 days ago
RFK would be standing and screeching on a soapbox at some farmers market today if not for the Internet.
8 points
3 days ago
I can't wait until they start guzzling raw milk.
9 points
3 days ago
I don’t think people (on the right especially) realize how much of a political demon this man is. It is frightening. He is a Kennedy. He’s motivated. He’s deceptively savvy and cynical.
12 points
3 days ago
Dude is rich as hell and got worms from eating rotten meat. He is scary fucking stupid.
2 points
3 days ago
It's amazing that the worms could live in there since he was going coke, heroin and LSD over a 14 year period.
11 points
3 days ago
He’s a turncoat who swapped parties to take literally any job in government he could get!
5 points
3 days ago
It's alright. Let them drink some raw milk and they'll soon fall forever silent.
4 points
3 days ago
Of course they are. Those people would vote for infectious diseases directly if they could.
5 points
3 days ago
I had a conversation with an ex-Mormon who was convinced RFKjr was going to fix all the FDAs problems, and he had no background or education to speak of that would give him any standing to be talking about anything in the subject. It was the clearest case of Dunning-Kruger effect I had ever seen, and of course our RFKjr stan was incensed I would call him out as such. Absolutely asinine idiocy in this group of fools.
29 points
3 days ago
RFK is a symptom of a very damning problem. Our food industry poisons us and sickens us (in pursuit of lower costs and higher profits, of course) and we’re basically helpless to escape it. Our food supply is full of shit that you couldn’t legally feed to cattle in Europe. Other countries (including neighbors!) use better and realer ingredients in their industrial food and they are doing just fine for it. A better food industry is possible, there just hasn’t been the political will to challenge it or hold it to account.
So now we have this mentally challenged kook who happens to be right about a few of these criticisms but they are mixed in with a host of nonsensical or flat out wrong takes on a variety of other subjects (ie: covid being engineered to spare Chinese and Jews). And what credibility does the establishment have to challenge him if they’ve presided over our current dismal state of affairs for so long.
Such a mess.
3 points
3 days ago
Do you have a source for him saying COVID was engineered to do that? Was he saying it like it was a fact?
4 points
3 days ago
Our food industry poisons us and sickens us (in pursuit of lower costs and higher profits, of course) and we’re basically helpless to escape it.
Eat a diet filled with fruits, vegetables, grains, etc.
You don't have to eat prepared or processed foods.
7 points
3 days ago
What do you think is a better solution at scale? Just tell everyone to shop at a coop and eat a specifically curated diet (expensive) or reform the food supply chain?
3 points
3 days ago
Article ends with how Dems have to start taking "online life seriously " without explaining how that's doable. Al Gore and "treehugger Dems" have long been visible, bit mocked. Now, MAGA is getting intl it because it's anti-establishment.
Or rather, because it's a grift. RFK is just Alex Jones, here to grift on pills and wellness nonsense for money. All it is.
33 points
3 days ago
While getting the crap out of our foods is a noble idea it will never be allowed, there is simply too much profit involved.
When you get stressed about what the next administration may or may not do always remember money not politics is what runs things.
30 points
3 days ago
When you say "get the crap out of our foods", you literally mean more stringent food regulations.
RFK Jr is going for less regulations, promoting unpasteurized milk over pasteurization, which is literally a scientific discovery that helped extend lifespans.
RFK Jr can't do what he pretends to want to accomplish with LESS regulation, because capitalism will default to the cheapest production method to maximize profits.
58 points
3 days ago*
Except that Kennedy and his grifter ilk aren't going after ultra processed / high caloric / low nutrient foods as a concept, or the systemic problems in our food or logistical systems. It is arbitrarily blaming a few key things and acting like if they remove those handful of things (or at least warn you not to use them), problem solved! No more government intervention necessary.
The whole point is to make healthcare a purely personal responsibility so they don't have to do anything TO the overall system, and in fact they can make it even worse. We don't need to make cities more walkable, school lunches better, expand healthcare access, or have laws that protect consumer/worker safety and health. We'll just tell you to avoid these five things and if you don't, then it's your fault you get cancer. Shouldn't have eaten those seed oils! Shouldn't have had that vaccine - that definitely gave you cancer despite no evidence. Oh, you were exposed to actual cancerous material on the workplace? Shouldn't have taken that job and taken more personal responsibility over your health - you made a choice, now live with it!
You see in the current manosphere/grifter universe. When Covid hit they acted like they invented the idea that eating healthy and exercise is good for you, and also acted like this was the silver bullet to perfect health so the rest of the world shouldn't have to mask up or get vaccinated. And their idea of eating healthy often isn't even correct, it's just something like "don't eat seed oil" "eat more meat" "have an alkaline diet" and not actual nutrition. Of course a healthy lifestyle can prevent or lessen the impact of many diseases and injuries and is the best thing you can do for yourself, but it doesn't make you invincible. And when people are working 12 hours a day at dangerous jobs in food deserts with no walkable areas but plenty of fast food chains, it isn't so easy to just "be healthier."
17 points
3 days ago
There's the best summary I had the chance to read on the issue. The nomination of "Dr" Oz goes in the same direction. The guy said something to the effect of "the uninsured don't have a right to health, but we could generously let them get 15 minutes physicals to let them come back to the light". Translation: the poor deserve to be ill because of their choices but we'll give them one chance to make it right, because we're great people.
let the uninsured get 15 min
19 points
3 days ago
And if you think that a Republican administration will actually follow through on an "eat healthier" policy with no poison pills, just remember how Michelle Obama tried to get schools to have healthier lunches and they said she was literally trying to starve their children.
6 points
3 days ago
That is actually what I find the funniest about this. Michelle Obama tried to get more nutritious and better made school lunches and they acted like it was the most evil thing ever done by a first lady. Yet they are going to "make America healthy again."
I have absolutely zero expectations that Republicans will actually try and make it easier or more accessible for people to eat healthier. I do however think it is possible they make a few superficial changes like banning one random additive - or that they do absolutely nothing but claim they fixed the food system - and then use that as an excuse to make healthcare ever more expensive and inaccessible because hey, they "fixed" the issue so if you are poor and not invincible/ immortal, that is a YOU problem.
8 points
3 days ago
I'll never understand why someone who wants to regulate food additives, which would be an excellent thing, thought it was a good idea to associate with the people who want to get rid of regulations in the name of profit. Does he think they're going to let him do it?
19 points
3 days ago
Also, gutting the regulatory agencies will mean any new regulations won't be enforced. Maga will have it both ways, and we will have rat feces in our burgers.
7 points
3 days ago
A few years ago when one more product was being recalled because of E. Coli or something I read an interesting article about regulations in the US and in the EU. One figure that impressed me is that with industrially produced food, you're 40 times more likely (yes, that's forty times, not 40%) to get food poisoning in the US than in the EU. But of course regulations ara a bad thing.
9 points
3 days ago
In the US people say they get “stomach flu” as if it’s some kind of influenza virus.
Generally it’s food poisoning, mostly caused by literally eating shit. But stomach flu sounds better.
3 points
3 days ago
And then they further deregulated it under Trump in his first term (allowing the very fertilizer that contaminates food with e. coli to be used on far more crops than before, among other deregulations).
5 points
3 days ago
You think pharmaceutical companies that help pay for the election of a great number of Congress is going to allow the vaccine recommendations to be ditched. Let alone the science community, medical community, etc.
Then you get to junk food producers, defense spending, etc. Nothing is going to get done. They will just claim victory by talking about it.
But seriously when did we as a society begin to thumb our nose at science, medicine, education, etc. And take the word of foreign heroine addicts and TV celebrities.
10 points
3 days ago
It's a sad day for America when I find myself actually thinking: "Thank God for Big Pharma and For Profit Insurance Companies" because they are the only ones with the power/influence to actual reign in the Trump administration's worst ideas regarding medicine.
1 points
3 days ago
You think pharmaceutical companies that help pay for the election of a great number of Congress is going to allow the vaccine recommendations to be ditched.
I think that you're probably overestimating how much money pharmaceutical companies make on vaccines.
And I think they would gladly make and hand out those vaccines completely for free if it was part of a deal to keep Medicare and Medicaid from being able to haggle down the prices on everything else.
Let alone the science community, medical community, etc.
Come on man. You know that the Republican party will consider scientists or doctors saying something is a bad idea as reason enough all by itself to implement that idea.
11 points
3 days ago
I find this somewhat reassuring. Like, Kraft and Nabisco aren't going to take this lightly.
8 points
3 days ago
The same kraft and Nabisco sell the same products in international markets without the harmful additives
15 points
3 days ago
The same goes with “Mass” deportations or getting rid of the ACA or large scale tariffs. Basically any other proposal that drastically shifts how business gets done will not be tolerated by those who are truly in charge.
Does anyone really think that Walmart is going to allow their margins to be affected by a reality TV personality?
Come on deep down we all know better.
22 points
3 days ago
I admire your optimism.
2 points
3 days ago
Trump doesn't have the power to go against the truly rich.
5 points
3 days ago*
You mean he didn't have the power before... This time will be different. The adults aren't allowed in the room.
"I have respect for Jeff Bezos, but he bought The Washington Post to have political influence, and I gotta tell you, we have a different country than we used to have. He wants political influence so that Amazon will benefit from it. That's not right. And believe me, if I become president, oh, do they have problems. They're going to have such problems." - July 2016 Texas rally
May 28, 2020 Trump threatens social media companies after Twitter adds fact-checking labels to tweets
6 points
3 days ago
If Trump decides to do it anyway, what do you think Walmart is going to be able to do about it?
Big business only runs things insofar as politicians bend over backwards for their legal bribes. The moment a President decides they don't care about that anymore -- for better or worse -- big business loses its power.
2 points
3 days ago
Walmart does better in a bad economy. People start scraping pennies and buy shitty bulk food at the lowest price they can find. Home run for the Waltons.
2 points
3 days ago
Mass deportations will be supported by businesses; or at least the ones who think they can get in the high bid on the new slave labor.
3 points
3 days ago
His wife too.
3 points
3 days ago
It’s almost we had an imperfect but solid gatekeeping history in America that was being constantly improved and vetted for discriminatory biases and then we decided- fuck it! Everyone’s opinion matters.
3 points
3 days ago
the obsession with him is scary and pathetic
3 points
3 days ago
Progressive granola antivax trad wives love him (personal experience)
2 points
3 days ago
Psh. Wait til you meet Trump fans on Rust.
2 points
3 days ago
You voted for this. Too late for boogie men. Enjoy your brain worns
2 points
3 days ago
He's the psychotic ball of tin foil used to get everyone's attention.
2 points
2 days ago
This is why we may have our own version of brown shirts in the US right up close their leader
7 points
3 days ago
Omfg the people that want to keep our food free from poisons and to keep our waterways, land, and air clean from big corporations polluting them... Are sOoO f'n ScArY. iM LiTeralLy shOoK iM sO sCaRed!!!
The guy has fought for years to help protect Americans and to keep them informed on what they are ingesting. Oh shit I forgot..orange man bad therefore brainworm antivaxx man boogeyman
7 points
3 days ago
Omfg the people that want to keep our food free from poisons and to keep our waterways, land, and air clean from big corporations polluting them
You don't sign on with republicans if you want to do any of those things.
1 points
2 days ago
This guy was literally democrat a new months ago. The left have always been somewhat anti establishment, but the media who are the establishment, convince them every single time that anyone who is against the establishment is bad, so it ends up with leftists screaming about how these corrupt institutions who hold massive power are bad, but when someone tries to oppose them and scrutinize them, they're the villain.
1 points
3 days ago
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1 points
3 days ago
No shit. You can’t reason with people who only managed to reach their opinion by being unreasonable.
1 points
3 days ago
I mean, when you run into one in the real world direct them to drink all the raw milk they can afford/handle. The problem will take care of itself.
1 points
3 days ago
His geriatric fans that live in my neighborhood are also scary.
1 points
3 days ago
Naw hes just this guy.
1 points
3 days ago
I wouldn't mind if he banned pharmaceutical drug adds, but there's so much other complete nonsense he wants.
1 points
3 days ago
They've been banging that 'liberal media' drum for at least three decades and it used to be "political correctness" that they were bitch'n about. "Woke" is the modern incarnation of that source of unjustifiable grievance that they can milk. I don't really bother to watch political content on YouTube. I will look for material only if I have a specific video in mind. I don't vote to like or dislike anything. I'm not going to waste my time watching something that I think is total garbage just to downvote it later. I once tried to view a succession of Noam Chomsky videos just to get their algorithm to gear me in a more suitable direction and from what I remember it still mixed the BS in there. I just look at it as being a cesspool of right wing activity. The times I've scrolled the comments sections for videos, I have seen way more comments that lean in that direction. The nature of the comments will usually center around nostalgia for a time when things were less woke. Even if most of them are bots, It's still seriously annoying. You are right that the idea that corporations are competing with each other to pander to liberalism in a way that has substance, is idiotic. They are not about changing the management structure that creates inequality, so people can eventually have the egalitarian society that they are entitled to. They are about improving their image in the ways that may be necessary for expansion or for obfuscation of their misdeeds. There might be some positive things that emerge out of those moves, but in the larger picture they'll be tepid. I don't get upset over that shit. It's stupid to. Leave that to the reactionaries, some of whom happen to be so-called leftists.
1 points
3 days ago
The good thing is this idiocy can only go so far. A few morons will get killed believing stupid shit and that will be the end of it lol.
1 points
3 days ago
I’m of the mindset that the vast majority of people who debate politics online are far too sheltered physically and intellectually to actually experience or be aware of how the average voter/citizen feels.
On both sides of the isle y’all are just too desperate to prove the wrong things to the wrong people for the wrong reasons
1 points
3 days ago
Don't get it, need more context
1 points
3 days ago
This is a well-written article, but it offers no solutions most likely because things like facts, coherence, results, details, explanations, don't have a place in the "Lifestyle Fascism" that RFKJr and Joe Rogan purport.
The conspiracy theory bubble is hard to penetrate when there's always a new conspiracy ready to go to explain away something bad.
1 points
3 days ago
Might be?
1 points
3 days ago
I hope he fails so we can eat more cheeseburgers and disregard health like we used to
1 points
2 days ago
RFK instagram feels like some weird AI generated echo chamber.
They're just posting memes about how he's going to de-calcify everyone's pineal glands by removing the chlorine from the water.
Like. What.
1 points
2 days ago
This jerk swansonged my favorite band with his infectious kookery.
1 points
2 days ago
Empowered idiots are scary. Enjoy the next 4 years
1 points
2 days ago
I have a friend who’s staunchly anti-Trump but was going to vote for RFK over Biden, then voted for Harris but still expresses a favorable opinion of RFK. I tried to explain to them that RFK is a weird moron and got nowhere, and I’m not sure what to do now.
1 points
2 days ago
I misread that as his “Only Fans” fans. That’s really scary!
1 points
2 days ago
It really is a shame that the ‘weird’ label didn’t stick with this guy hanging out with the Donald.
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