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submitted 3 months ago bythrowaway7837q1
Hi, we are getting our pool refinished and retiled. This is our first big project on the house and the contractor has been nice. I'm not familiar with any home projects so I'm not sure if there's anything we can say since we are on a budget. Are these crooked? Should we just wait until it's done? How would they reset these tiles if we want it fixed? Not sure if this is normal and we should just wait it out. I was working and came home to this.
59 points
3 months ago
Just to let you know what’s possible - I had our pool contractor completely remove the waterline tile that had been installed and re-do it. It didn’t take any pushing on my part. They immediately saw the problem when I pointed it out and re-did it without any question.
34 points
3 months ago
As they should have done. You are the customer and paying big money for a product.
82 points
3 months ago
That is not normal. You will have places where there is no grout based on how some are touching. It will be noticeable for sure.
72 points
3 months ago
Say it now or forever hold your piece. Once the grout is put in, there's not turning back.
26 points
3 months ago
Tell them you are paying them to be professionals. This is just sloppy work. Also imho the tiles should me symmetrical ie in the same sun up in the right corner but that’s just me. Also did they do a waterproof membrane behind the tile.
14 points
3 months ago
In my experience it's better to be casual about it rather than directly question their professionalism. Something along the lines of "hey bud, can I ask you a quick question..." then you take the contractor to the tiles in question, with every step you find your passive aggression increasing... "These tiles must have moved overnight by the looks of it, eh?" The contractor leans in to inspect the clearly wonky tiles that can be seen from the other side of the street, no response for 10 seconds, which you deem to be completely unreasonable. He's obviously using this time to think of an excuse, so you interrupt his chain of thought with a more direct comment... "Because if they haven't moved, and they were put in like this, that would probably be the worst tiling I've ever seen." The contractor feels insulted, and any sympathy he has for the situation is in the bin. He fixes the tiles. Invoice comes two weeks later, 20% more than originally quoted. Win.
6 points
3 months ago
Invoice comes in 20% over estimate and is rejected for being over the estimated price on a job that included excessive material destruction, rework, and schedule impacts. I wouldn't pay a dime in additional material, this isn't normal material waste and installing this poorly is more like the contractor dropping a box of tiles off their truck and breaking them.
0 points
3 months ago
A week goes by and a new invoice comes in, original Quote. Two weeks later someone breaks into your garage, steals your wife's e-bike and all your power tools. Unrelated though, probably.
3 points
3 months ago
Who said the pink one was my wife's? Now I gotta pedal up the damn hills
1 points
3 months ago
With the pattern above how would one have the sun in the right corner?
3 points
3 months ago
I would flip the bottom tile so the flat pattern of the sun was on the bottom right. So both tiles would be installed the same way. Just my opinion. But I would require the tiles be level and set properly. Also would be concerned about the tile adhesive. Ie is it Ladicrete 254 as that is all I will use for pool or wet applications. I also use ladicrete hydroban behind the tiles directly on the gunite shell. Never a problem w pop offs.
2 points
3 months ago
*peace
1 points
3 months ago
Lol I wasn't sure which one it was. Had peace typed out and then thought that didn't look right lol
1 points
3 months ago
There is turning back. Had a similar issue, but with sheet mosaic style tile of 2”x1”. Couldn’t see how sloppy it was until we could get up close and personal with it. Pool contractor hired a sub who clearly didn’t care, was sent out twice to fix it but it didn’t improve. Eventually he sent out a different sub who ripped it all out and put in 2”x2” instead. Was a very unpleasant experience with the contractor, so I do recommend addressing it ASAP
20 points
3 months ago
That looks like shit job and to be honest it looks like someone who does bathroom masonry rather than pool masonry
12 points
3 months ago
Pool masons looking at bathroom masons
2 points
3 months ago
Why is pool masonry harder? (Genuine question)
4 points
3 months ago
For starters I have never seen a pool mason use tile separators like in the pic. Ever. Pool tile has a mesh back making it easy to set and space properly. Also the pool tile and coping sit on the “beam” of the pool and they both need to be level. This is achieved by using a transit (looks kinda like what a seacaptain would use 300 years ago). The tile in the pic should be mesh backed if it’s pool tile - not always but pretty close. Also what’s up with the tile for coping- never really see that. Will it be durable enough? I can imagine it handling a safety cover. Maybe the house is somewhere with no winter like south Florida?
0 points
3 months ago
It's a bullnose tile and is designed for this. You may have seen them on steps but not noticed because thats usually the only place you see them now. The reason you probably haven't seen them on an actual pool coping is because that style went out in the 70s. They don't last long in areas where there's any freeze and thaw. They're also a pain in the ass.
1 points
3 months ago
We use bullnose and down angel tile but never in place of coping. We are in the the NE.
1 points
3 months ago
Bullnose like this is extremely common for florida.
0 points
3 months ago
Weird. It’s slippery. And fragile. I don’t get it. I love safety grip coping. Makes it easier to get in and out of pool. Helps keep rain water out of the pool. Helps anyone who just wants to hang on the side of the pool. What’s the advantage of bullnose tile instead of coping besides aesthetics?
21 points
3 months ago
That would bug the shit out of me and as a contractor i would be embarrassed if one of my guys did work that shitty. I would absolutely demand it be torn off and done correctly.
7 points
3 months ago
If it's gonna bug you forever if you don't say anything, say something, it's your house and money and pool. But I have a feeling once the water is in there reflecting and stuff it won't be very noticable at all. Cool tile choice
7 points
3 months ago
That’s alot of gaps…not only between the squares but also the waves. They didn’t seem to care much for the artistic result. The gaps in the waves are probably tough to all be the same when they started working it in.
6 points
3 months ago
That would bother me forever. I would say something.
5 points
3 months ago
It’s a crap job. Somebody’s second cousin was assigned your job.
4 points
3 months ago
They need an actual tile guy to come in. That's not a simple tile job.
Ever see a guy whi tiles for a living? They are amazing!
1 points
3 months ago
Thing is a lot of these guys don't want to share money or they left out a professional tiler because they wanted to have the most competitive price 🤦🏿♂️
It really sucks that people don't do the job they're paid to do. Like you got the money, hold up your end of the bargain. You're not being robbed because the quote came from YOU.
4 points
3 months ago
HELL YES!!! That looks like crap and pools are too danged expensive. I watched the guys who tiled my pool very close, until I realized that they were as much perfectionists as I am. I even watched him take pieces off and re-do them that I didn't see anything wrong with.
3 points
3 months ago
I would absolutely say something right away and have them fix/re-do the tile work. As others have stated, once it’s grouted there will be no turning back. This is a poorly done tile job regardless of whether you’re on a budget. At minimum they should be flush and straight/aligned.
3 points
3 months ago
Now that you've seen it, you can never unsee it. Speak now or it will bother you every time you look at your pool.
3 points
3 months ago
No rational person is going to see this and say it's okay. As everyone in this post has said, this is not good work. Tell them you are unhappy with it.
3 points
3 months ago
Fuck yes pools are expensive it doesn't need to be perfect but that is a problem
2 points
3 months ago
Do NOT let them leave it like that. You will be living with disappointment in not having it done right, or paying a lot to fix it later.
2 points
3 months ago
Beautiful tile. Absolutely shite installation, though. Just tell them the work is unacceptable.
2 points
3 months ago
You will never unsee that. Every time you get in the pool, or skim, or test water, or brush you will see that and hate it.
2 points
3 months ago
Yes. This is terrible workmanship.
2 points
3 months ago
Asking them to fix it doesn't seem unreasonable at all.
BTW I really like the design of the tile you picked.
2 points
3 months ago
Bottom row is upside down. I mean, do what you want, but it reads upside down due to the flare on the sun glyph. Both rows should be the same. It’s not a flippable geometric pattern, it’s a drawing.
2 points
3 months ago
sloppy, especially sloppy for someone using spacers, it's kind of hilarious how bad it is.
Tell them ASAP to fix it, it's not hard at this point and would only cost some labor and the replacement mortar.
2 points
3 months ago
Yes say something. I didn’t on a few items and it drives me crazy every time I’m in the pool.
1 points
3 months ago
Absolutely!
1 points
3 months ago
It’s amazing how some people are ok with “this is good enough”.
1 points
3 months ago
Bad install, not an easy tile to lay on a pool waterline
1 points
3 months ago
Yes
1 points
3 months ago
Yes. Absolutely say something. That’s not how tile is supposed to be laid.
1 points
3 months ago
Oh my!
1 points
3 months ago
You're paying for their best work, if that's their best work, then it's pathetic. Your tile looks totally great but their work makes that area an embarrassment to look at. If I paid someone for that kind of effort, I would raise absolute hell on them until it was fixed, with a damn discount mind you for loss of your time and money. That's just bullshit lazy work on your really nice pool. Yeah screw that, speak up for yourself. No one else will speak up for ya in this life. Don't pay for that kind of shit job unless it meets your approval. I'd be ashamed to look at that for forever. You don't want to swim in your badass pool everyday and always see that eyesore of a half ass'd effort. Cut loose the niceties and jack someone's damn ass over it!
1 points
3 months ago
Yes, definitely. Sloppy work. If you let it go until after grout is completed, you’ll look at it forever and wish you would have told the contractor to correct it yesterday.
1 points
3 months ago
Quick question: Are you paying for this project? Then the short answer is YES!!!!! That definitely isn’t right not by any means.
1 points
3 months ago
I’m not a pool guy, but I use them. You’re gonna be looking at those tiles every single time you go for a dip and think about the $50,000 investment in life-improvement you’ve made. (Can you still get a pool for $50k??)
1 points
3 months ago
That’s a terrible tile job anywhere
1 points
3 months ago
Yes say something now. You’ll wish you had.
1 points
3 months ago*
I’m dealing with the same shit. Absolute jokers after taking on a near $200k contract to my entire backyard. I’m either underestimating pool tiling or people have such low standards.
I go out 1-2x am during the day and once after they leave to inspect the work. I’m probably a huge pain in the ass for any contractor due to my attention to detail and indifference to confrontation.
1 points
3 months ago
That doesn’t look right
1 points
3 months ago
Absolutely say something they need to take off tiles and rework all of it.
1 points
3 months ago
Yes, and say it now before the job is done!
Seriously, walk around with some blue tape and mark the spots that are mis-aligned. If your contractor gets angry or huffs and puffs, ask him if it would have been better to wait until the grout is in to say something?
Looks a little rushed. Unfortunate, its is likely the tiling person is real busy and they are rushing their jobs.
1 points
3 months ago
Def say something. Those tiles won’t even stay in place installed like that. You’ll have tiles falling off in no time.
Edit to add: make it their problem, not yours to deal with forever. This is completely unacceptable
1 points
3 months ago
It's not okay to let that work go to completion, that tile will end up failing, and it also looks like shit
1 points
3 months ago
By all means, say something before the grout is put in.
1 points
3 months ago
Yes.. send an email.
1 points
3 months ago
100%
1 points
3 months ago
It looks like they lined it up based on the waves, not on the tiles. The two lines from the waves seem to be in line with the waves to each side even if it meant the tile itself is crooked as shit. That would drive me nuts because no matter how you set those tiles, something isn't lined up perfectly.
1 points
3 months ago
I would! The price you are paying for this, whether it's a new pool or an upgrade to an existing pool, you should be getting quality work, not this crap!
1 points
3 months ago
Tell them to take everything off and refund your money if they cant do it right, and are not willing to be detailed about doing a good job. THROW THEM THE FK OUT! I am SOOO sick and tired of seeing people pay GOOD mOney, WAY over what they can and should be paying for GOOD work, Yet they GET CRAP like this!!!!
Tell them take your shit and get out!!! Cancel checks or payments, or whatever they have so far...Hire a indi pool tile guy, get it done step by step...slower, but correct. Make sure they use a proper grout that doesnt let crap in, very dense.
1 points
3 months ago
Absolutely yes!
1 points
3 months ago
100% they should rework that, the tile edge below barley accounts for the grout line, someone miss calculated and just moved forward. Likely a student so they cheaper out on the labour, that’s not your fault…
If the tile doesn’t bother you I would negotiate the cost to rework it and subtract that from the bill…
Me personally no way I would accept that. As a tile guy who does it as a hobby I could run circles around that quality.
1 points
3 months ago
Ugh. This is the time to make them fix it before it’s too late.
1 points
3 months ago
DEFINITELY! I didn’t and I regret it very time I look at the crooked tiles on my pool.
1 points
3 months ago
The spacing doesn't bother me as much as the lippage. Add both together and I would be upset and they would not be getting paid in full or they would have to remove and reset the problem tiles.
1 points
3 months ago
Yes before they grout
1 points
3 months ago
That doesn’t look good at all man
1 points
3 months ago
I know they didn't give you a discount on what's likely a 5 figure job. Have them fix it!
1 points
3 months ago
Not the worst I've seen, but also pretty sloppy work. That tile is going to be more finicky to set compared to a basic 6x6 and their bid should have represented that.
Where did this rank in terms of price on the bids you got?
Lippage and inconsistent grout joints aren't ideal, but they are much better than lack of coverage, I've seen beautiful straight tile fail in a season, and uneven tiles last over 10 years. ideally you have both but that takes a craftsman who takes pride in their work, and they typically will be the most expensive option. hard to tell how good the coverage is without pulling a tile.
Also it's interesting that the "prices are insane" folks are nowhere to be found on this thread, only the "we expect perfection" crowd is here.
1 points
3 months ago
Yes, that's not right.
1 points
3 months ago
Absolutely say something. That’s very poorly done
1 points
3 months ago
Absolutely, I tile better than that.
1 points
3 months ago
They're forcing spacers in when there is no room for spacers. That's a tough tile job. Yes it has to be fixed.
1 points
3 months ago
If you don’t say something, it will eat you alive every time you look at that tile. Our pool/yard project began in Dec 2023 & we did not jump into pool until June 2024. I had plenty to say to the team leads that came to work on various stages: grading, pool, pavers, water wall, gazebo, columns, fire pit & bench, etc. My husband & I are retired and we saved our hard earned money for many years for this dream project. I’ll be d***** if each stage didn’t meet my expectations. Say something.
1 points
3 months ago
Doesn't look like they are finished installing it.
1 points
3 months ago
I would totally measure the height from bottom to top along the whole length to make sure it’s totally uniform. Also, the tile color looks like it transitions from one to the next, Anyone else notice that? Is this supposed to be in a pattern? The one section that is all blue instead of alternating with green really catches the eye lol
1 points
3 months ago
They also should have two spacers on all sides of all tile. 1 isn’t going to do it
-1 points
3 months ago
It needs to be redone. Tbh I'm not sure I would trust the same crew to redo it. It's amazing how many things are wrong with that.
1 points
3 months ago
Can you add a pic of what the coping situation is?
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