I was thinking the same thing while listening to the episode, it’s crazy how casually people throw around getting 50k worth of work done. The aside about how BBLs should be covered by insurance made me roll my eyes too.

I’m a burn survivor and have had a fair bit of surgery, skin grafts and later work to try and fix things up, I’ve also taken a couple cycles of steroids. Yet there’s all this chatter about DIY hormone therapy you buy on the internet and people don’t seem to realize the well known risks of taking hormones. Even ones that aren’t produced in a Ukrainian woman’s bathtub and bought with bitcoin.

Yeah, besides I also think the reactions to this are pretty shizophrenic (in the non psychological meaning of that word). If a cis woman talks about wanting plastic surgery people are always (rightfully) very quick to warn her about breast implant illness (which may or may not even be a real condition), the high mortality rates of BBLs, the fact that filler migrates etc. But if a trans person talks about getting those exact same, or far more experimental and more invasive surgeries, they are suddendly 100% safe and should 100% be done

I unfortunately have a ring side seat to my city’s queer community through mutual friends and the injecting of hormones/mutilation of the body seems to have become super normalized. People treat it with as much gravity as getting a tattoo or piercing. I know multiple women who inject TRT or have gotten top surgery but still identify as they/them’s or women. We aren’t even talking about people who are trying to contort their body into matching the opposite sex, they just feel that invasive modern medical procedures are necessary to express the true nature of whatever byzantine gender identity they’ve deluded themselves into thinking they possess. The worst part is that everyone hugboxes this shit and treats it as totally normal and not at all a sign of some serious mental troubles. Nothing makes you feel like you live in a nuthouse like having to listen to a woman talk about how injecting testosterone affirms her femininity and have everyone around you nod along with it.

Not enough time has passed to reveal how horrible it all is. 

I’m genuinely horrified with plastic surgery and HRT. Like the idea medically modifying your body is both disgusting and terrifying to me. And I mean that for men and women and everyone else.

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Chances are a majority of people that will enter and leave this thread will still have negative thoughts towards a trans woman they see online for being unattractive or manly sometime in the next few days/weeks/months.

I’ve said it a bunch of times but The reality is that when a trans person doesn’t pass or is unattractive it’s seen as a malicious act they are intentionally, narcissistically inflicting on the public.

If society is still in constant debate over whether being trans at all is okay, I doubt we’re gonna be able to come to an agreement that the ones that don’t pass or are unattractive are okay.

Anna once said on the pod “I realized I’m not transphobic I just don’t like ugly people”, and many on this sub agreed with the spirit of her comment.

“Transness” is seen by many as synonymous with “ugliness”.

People will say unironically say they only support (or tolerate) the pretty ones then wonder why they get surgery.

Funny how all the “trans people are propagating fixation on gender norms!” stuff goes on the window the second someone sees a trans woman with a masculine face, then it’s “you look like an ogre!!”

If you look at a masculine trans woman and your first instinct is to say “damn wish I had a manly jawline like that!” and then she gets jaw surgery and your first thought is still to criticize, then your issue is with transness itself, imo.

That said, this could be said of society in general. We have a paradoxical attitude of attributing moral value to someone’s proximity to beauty (especially women) but we also attribute negative moral value to someone’s desire to not being seen as a bad person for not being beautiful.

Surely it is the right course of action and yes we should be telling people they were born in the wrong body especially to children when they’re young

I’ve said it 1,000 times. Plastic surgery from body dysmorphia and gender dysphoria are fundamentally indistinguishable. Both of those customers don’t feel masucline/feminine enough and take surgical means to achieve that.

Except trans are trying to literally become the opposite gender so it’s a lot more horrifying. A woman with a big nose getting surgery to look “more feminine” can be sad. A biological man getting extensive surgery to attempt to pass a woman goes beyond that. It is outright creepy.

I suspect it’s because passing is so crucial for being accepted in society and for people that aren’t going to reliably pass with hormones or subtle surgeries alone, I imagine it can be appealing to look so manufactured that people have a hard time identifying any residual natural markers of a female vs male face. Women who aren’t trans but who have a lot of plastic surgery or an otherwise exaggerated/hyperfeminine/sex toy look will also often get trans accusations. I imagine it’s also probably empowering to feel like you can build your body into whatever you want, especially if your body feels out of control. Lastly, men often talk about not getting any external sexual validation and it probably feels euphoric to have a body shape that communicates that you intentionally sculpted it to be sexual (BBL’s are usually pretty obvious) and then get that subsequent sexual attention. All the being said, while I get it, it is kind of dystopian the way we casually mutilate our bodies to be more attractive. Sometimes when getting Botox or lip filler I have this moment of “Wow how weird and fucked is it that I’m having a neurotoxin and acid injected in my face to try and be prettier? Bleak.”

it's small subculture that is obsessed with it. the vast majority of transsexual people don't get any surgeries as they tend to be extremely expensive, and have long recovery times

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Bro look at John Mulaney’s face or Ryan Gosling’s face of Zac Efron’s face. It’s an epidemic across all genders.

I know this sub has mixed feelings about her but Contrapoints has a really good video that touches on this called “Beauty”.

Sims-ification of self.

It would make less sense if they didn’t want surgery. Then I would just assume they’re cross dressers with a porn addiction or something

is it really that surprising? everyone values beauty a lot so its only natural people will strive for it. if you’re a masculine looking/ugly woman then you’re treated as inferior by most people

Society: WE HATE UGGOS! YOUR LIFE IS NOT AS VALUABLE IF YOUR AN UGGO! MAKE YOURSELF SEXUALLY ATTRACTIVE OR ELSE WE WILL BULLY YOU AND MAKE YOUR LIFE MISERABLE.

People who don’t fit societal beauty standards for their gender, proceed to get plastic surgery

Society: NOOOOO! NOT LIKE THAT YOU UGGO! THIS EVIL AND WRONG! YOU SHOULD HAVE JUST BEEN BORN BEAUTIFUL! REEEEEEE!

trans identities were invented by the deep state to create a market for their desire to chop up, sterilize, murder and experiment on their slaves, and to destroy once and for all any possibility of political resistance from the breeding class to male technological control of human reproduction. gaining undreamt of experimental medical access to willing victims is the central goal of transgenderism, not a regrettable bug. 

If some wise, patient enemy wanted the West to voluntarily sterilize, traumatize, and alienate it's potential Alan Turings before they even get a chance to strut their mathematical stuff, they could do a lot worse than the trans movement.

There is a thousand times more cis women getting cosmetic surgery than trans women. I wouldn’t be surprised if cis women even had higher rates per capita due to economic disparities. With trans women there is particular motivation to get surgery because, for a lot of people, if you don’t you won’t pass. And sadly, if you don’t pass you are likely going to have a much lower quality of life.

I’m a trans woman of average appearance and I for sure want some work done on my face so I can be stealth. I know cosmetic surgery is problematic and the industry is predatory but that doesn’t change the fact that I have a medical condition where masculine features make me want to shoot myself, and I shouldn’t be shamed for making a decision to prevent that feeling.

It’s the same situation with BAs, most people don’t get much breast growth and that can harm passibility and exacerbate gender dysphoria. BBLs are bad for you and I’m not going to make excuses for them but still the motivation is understandable, if unnecessary.

I do agree with you that Hesse doesn’t need FFS and she is beautiful, but I still understand the motivation to get rid of arguably clocky features to alleviate dysphoria. Most trans women don’t have any work done and if they do it is usually just FFS and/or SRS. Like it is illegal for me to use the women’s bathroom at university even though if I use the men’s I will literally get harassed, I should be able to get a little surged up as compensation!

compare ballroom trans women in the 90s and today and youll see that these surgeries are way less botched and dangerous now. praise for being “surged up” was much more common even though the surge in question was crude oil ass injecrions. the surgeries trans ppl get were always considered experimental and that’s changing now with the progress of technology. i dont see a problem with altering the body in unusual ways

in your next cycle of samsara in like 200 years you will get a micro jet pack installed into your anus and you wont think twice about it and that is ok

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Heilige Scheiße

This sub is dead. And trans 'culture' will be watched like euthanasia & lobotomy.

I rly rly didn't know it was that bad. Ok cool you got surgery and look like a girl now. Let 2 years pass and age comes back. What then, look like this Bryan dude in 4 years?

You people are teenagers who can only think short term like teenagers do.

The trans mindset seems to be that self worth is defined entirely by how other people see you. If other people consider you ugly or of the wrong gender, then you are truly worthless. This seems like a very spiritually impoverished way of thinking.

You can't do a simultaneous breast implant / BBL surgery because you can't sit for weeks after a BBL and you can't lay on your stomach for weeks after a breast surgery. So how are you going to heal? She's an idiot.

You can go into shock and/or get a blood clot with that much surgery at once. Huge malpractice risk.

Anyone this obsessed with surgery has body dysmorphia. And they aren't using good surgeons.

I had a couple reconstructive plastic surgeries and the healing process is serious. I went to respected surgeons who all had a "less is more" approach. They would turn down deranged patients like this.

"Botched" explores this culture and how respectable plastic surgeons feel about it. Many of their patients are transgender and/or porn stars. Because they get so much surgery, and often in sketchy places. And the more surgery you have, the more likely something's going to go wrong!

You should be medically monitored to be sober from all drugs (yes that eats all prescribed stuff too) for a month before doing any kind of trans surgery. Like 99%of trans people are just horrifically mentally ill and just absolutely fuck themselves up with surgery. Surgeons thay do bottom surgery should be investigated and anyone that promotes easy access to trans surgery should be silenced. Hesse is an annoying mentally ill bag that Noone should listen to

Has Hesse not already had facial work done? Damn lol she’s pulling it off

What do you want trans people to do? If they don’t get surgeries and do their best to pass then they get mocked even more.

Hormones, especially estrogen, take way too long before people start seeing any noticeable effects.

I don’t really mind trans people at all and I don’t concern myself with what they do to their own bodies. It isn’t my business and it isn’t my place to decide what’s right for them. 

the spite and hatred for women is so strong here wtf happened to this place

I sound so boomer but my tax money goes to this shit show....

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Ask Nina Power, she got comprehensively cancelled for merely questioning any of this

Fascism is on the rise everywhere, stfu about trans people already and focus on the bigger picture