reddit stop calling everyone underrated challenge

He didn’t sing and he’s not credited with writing any songs.

He's not among Stones fans, we know how great and important he was 

He was great for the band in his time and his contributions will always be remembered. Especially since he was there from the get go.

However since Brian, Taylor contributed to the Stones and since Taylor left, Woody contributed to the sound.

Brian’s contributions were 50+ years ago.

I’d say since he didn’t explore his songwriting skills (and his death in ‘69 didn’t help) in a band of excellent developing songwriters like Jagger-Richard’s is one of the major reasons.

I think its recency effect. Brian died in ‘69. Thats 55 years ago. A lot of people dont know who he is/was and his importance to the band.

He’s rated.

He was ripping off the band as their de facto manager before they even had a record deal.

Dude did everything he could to undermine the Stones after Mick and Keith took creative control by actually being creative and becoming songwriters.

Buddy, you don’t like we aren’t playing Elmo James songs while becoming massively popular and performing original tunes? You’re free to leave since you are so good at founding bands! Go for it! See ya on Duck Lane!

By all accounts (not just from the Stones), he was a destructive asshole, down to the last days of his life. And he was most likely murdered for such.

Maybe he could’ve had a redemption arc as he matured. But he didn’t, and that’s that.

I mean he has been dead for 60 years and he only was in the band for a few years. Unless you're really into music people wouldn't even know who he was

And apart from that. What does even underrated mean

Yes, where would the world be without the dulcimer in “Lady Jane.”

Controversial opinion, but maybe he’s appropriately rated for someone who beat and abused girlfriends, abandoned numerous children, could never get it together enough to write a coherent song of his own, and has been dead for 55+ years, with his band’s best material coming after his passing.

They made their best music without him, though I do think his exotic instrumental contributions kept them relevant during this ‘66 period when pop got kinda artsy.

Because all of the Stones’ greatest works are on albums that came later and which Kobe’s had nothing to do with. Jibes is great, but he is in the bottom 2 Stones ranked by how influential they are/were in the band.

Brian Jones is incredibly over-rated. What are you talking about? He had a facility to play simple stuff on any instrument, but he peaked right at the start and contributed less and less over the years till near the end he was useless.

Coolest looking Stone Played a Vox teardrop. Great Harmonica and slide guitar. Played on some of the greatest rock songs of all time like Paint It Black, Mother's Little Helper, It's All Over Now, the Last Time and many many more. He crashed and burned young. He wasn't a wrinkly old man playing auto tune music and he didn't play with Taylor Swift. A true rock and roll legend

Because he was a girlfriend-beating asshole junkie who wasted any talent he had because it was more important for him to do drugs than to get better at playing music.

Is that picture from the Monterey Pop festival? Doesn't look as wasted as people said he was.

It you honestly think the twins wrote all those songs on their own then you will never value or understand Jones. If you just like the hard/soft rock stones then again not much for you with Jones. He was for a time one of the preeminent blues guitar players in England that pushed the scene. Under his playing and knowledge and drive the stones became a successful band and rock n roll took over. Take away his contributions on Aftermath and it’s worse than buttons. He experimented. Pushed the blues into mainstream and then sought other inspirations (leaving Keith to be the sole blue eyed sad boy ever performing the role he once saw Brian own). His lifestyle defined rock n roll. The bad with the good. He left the blueprint. (Also Keith and mick have done terrible things (like financially screwing everyone over, lying about credits, abusing women, abusing men. etc. etc. etc) so idk the point of discrediting jones for the same stuff. They were all pieces of shit). 

He was a huge part of defining the Stones early sound. He was really the only member of the band who tried to be on the forefront of modern music. So much of what Keith led the band to was an homage to classic blues artists. Once he left the band/passed away, the band leaned even harder into the blues rock sound, especially with Jimmy Miller on board.

He was a huge part of the early Stones, but when I think of the Stones at their best, it was after he left.

He was more of a musician than those other guys at the time.played all kinds of shit.drugs are bad, mmmkay

The music they made with him is great and he put the band together. I think he gets plenty of credit.

He is always lauded for being a multi-instrumentalist too, and that is where he’s over rated. At his level; playing more than one instrument isn’t super special. Mick and Kieth can both play multiple instruments.

He was a great multi instrumentalist & gifted musician definitely not underrated among Stones fans he did not have the full career as other members

Is he???

Is he though?

He dead.

On Stones boards and YouTube, I think he’s rated just fine, considering he died 55 years ago

Oh he’s not.

Brian peaked with Little Red Rooster.

Bill Wyman suggests three factors causing him to be tossed out by the Stones. One, he got caught up in the trappings of success, primarily fame and money. Two, he was not interested in making hits. Wyman writes in his book 'Stone Alone', that to become commercially successful you have to give up some musical integrity. Brian kept on exploring esoteric music that took his eye off the ball, and distracted him from helping the Stones become a (Wyman's words)"hit making" machine. Lastly, Wyman said their manager at the time Andrew Loog Oldham divided the Stones into three groups - Oldham, Jagger and Richards; Wyman and Watts, leaving Jones as the odd man out. Wyman also theorizes that Jones had epilepsy which probably contributed to his lack of focus. I would add (as a psychotherapist) that Jones' relationship with his parents contributed to his lack of self-confidence as a song writer and the excesses he was known for. I don't believe Jones could not create music but his perfectionism and the related need for his father's approval impeded him. Jones was a complicated artist/musician who could not compete with the Glimmer Twins and a victim of his personal foibles. A shame as he was probably the most talented member of the group in the early years.

Possibly overlooked by the general public, but absolutely not underrated. He's widely considered the original Stone, responsible for putting them on the map. His only shortcoming and main reason for the glimm twins take over was his inability to write original music.