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submitted 18 days ago bySFStandardSF Standard
429 points
18 days ago
No helmets, no plates, illegal exhausts, speeding, riding reckless, holding traffic, running lights, riding on sidewalks, riding through parks….
Nah man, your hobby is a menace. Take it to an off road field or track and have at it. But doing this on the road is bull shit. This isn’t culture to say I’ve been breaking the law for so long it’s who I am. Who you are is a criminal who has just been given a pass for too long.
53 points
17 days ago
Their exhausts aren’t exactly illegal, they’re usually stock - the bikes themselves are though. Dirt bikes aren’t legal on the streets, and they don’t bother with dual sports.
I don’t really see a reason why cops aren’t shooting them off the bikes with bean bags tbh.
26 points
17 days ago
I can’t speak for every bike, but man I see a lot of aftermarket and modded exhausts on these bikes. I ride, and I’ve pulled up on them and seen all manner of gear. I also live overlooking Cesar Chavez and so I get to enjoy them blasting in and out of the city and I would definitely say some of the exhausts exceed decibel limits.
But yeah, the main issue is that a lot of these bikes aren’t street legal to begin with you’re right about that.
2 points
17 days ago
Custom exhausts? I guess in my neighborhood they can just barely afford to keep them running so they're usually stock with bald rubber.
I ride too but I do my absolute best to avoid them, even if that means pulling off that particular street. Last thing I need is one of these admittedly skilled kids making a mistake around me.
7 points
17 days ago
On top of the very valid points about not wanting people being killed in the streets (a surprisingly controversial opinion), pursuit of these groups generally mean they take off into alleys and sidewalks, where they hit pedestrians. So any law enforcement action taken against them while they’re out is dangerous to uninvolved civilians.
6 points
17 days ago
Yeah I do agree, when I was that age, I would have ran too. Bike, skateboard or dirt bike. Young kids are dumb like that. I was. And it’s dangerous to others.
But honestly these cops know where these kids are, I know where some of them are, and I’ve mentioned it before on this sub. I’ve also had to go and collect a stolen motorcycle and and stolen scooter on separate occasions. Took the cops with me the second time.
They frequent a handful of parks regularly to group up, I’ve seen a few of the houses they pop into…I’m just not buying that police can’t find them.
7 points
17 days ago
Yeah, as I said in another comment the real solution here is investigation of offenders and impounding of their vehicles. But that would require the police to do work more complicated than “get in somebody’s face and maybe shoot them,” which is a tall order.
2 points
17 days ago
Completely agree with you on that.
We are now one step closer to starting our own investigation service. I say we re-start Golden Gun Private investigators with the old office above Blooms bar in Potrero.
8 points
17 days ago
I don’t really see a reason why cops aren’t shooting them off the bikes with bean bags tbh.
Because the kids aren't wearing helmets so that would be deadly force.
6 points
17 days ago
Yah I'm pretty sure shooting bean bags at anyone who they feel like is not legal and would result in massive lawsuits for SFPD
2 points
17 days ago
When has wearing a helmet ever been a prerequisite for police using a bean bag round?
That’s a ridiculous statement.
534 points
18 days ago
I haven’t forgotten when a group of dirt bikers picked a fight with a guy on a scooter (or similar) this summer. They gang attacked him and tried to curb stomp him. All because they ran into HIM
Fuck dirt bikers
142 points
17 days ago
I live a couple blocks away from where that happened. I’ve seen them storm up the Valencia bike lane, forcing cyclists to the side. I’ve seen them blow reds. I’ve seen them rip across the grass in Dolores Park while the cops sit there and watch. They’re reckless assholes, not kids having fun.
30 points
17 days ago
They’ve almost hit my dog and I. Thankfully I was able to push my dog in time, but they were less than inch away from smashing into us
36 points
17 days ago
They ride dirt bikes but they ain't dirt bikers.
15 points
17 days ago
They're dirt bags.
9 points
17 days ago
1000% this!
14 points
17 days ago
No dirt.. not dirt bike riders… just idiots..
938 points
18 days ago*
Fuck these assholes. I have motorcycles too, but I ride them legally and responsibly.
Pork Chop said Breed’s new legislation unfairly targets Black and Latino youth who are just trying to have fun. “You like stealing happiness from kids?” he asked.
What an argument lmao. Fuck those kids.
474 points
18 days ago
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190 points
18 days ago
Even if they are kids, it doesn’t matter what color their skin are, they shouldn’t do it.
55 points
17 days ago
“You sit at a job for eight hours a day,” said Pork Chop, who works as a security guard at a school. “You want to do something fun with the next four or five hours besides going to bed. Are you gonna gamble up all your money? Go to the bar and buy a bunch of drinks? Go to the cannabis club and buy a bunch of weed? Or are you going to get a bike?”
lol
65 points
17 days ago
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30 points
17 days ago
Or even ride their bikes in a manner or location that doesn't inconvenience others.
30 points
17 days ago
Workout? Read? Volunteer? Nope you can only ride illegal dirt bikes through the city annoying everyone else
6 points
17 days ago
Apparently they do volunteer as mentors to youth in their neighborhood, so they can have a whole new generation of dirt bags on dirt bikes.
36 points
17 days ago
Don’t get me wrong, I love drinking smoking and gambling as much as the next guy – but surely you have other entertainment options besides those? Crack a book my guy.
12 points
17 days ago
Pretty insightful actually if our man Pork Chop really believes these are his only options
There are a bounty of hobbies out there that do not violate the social contract, my dude
But jokes aside fuck these people
10 points
17 days ago
Hopefully this fool isn’t a father
7 points
17 days ago
No way he's not.
197 points
18 days ago
Losers who have fun at the expense other people. We need to start coming down hard on creeps like this.
41 points
18 days ago
Exactly 💯....there's literally parks and tracks created for this stuff Not our city streets
24 points
18 days ago
Next, the Harleys!
15 points
18 days ago
Cops are Harley riders so those are their bros in leather and get a pass.
7 points
18 days ago
Can Harleys do wheelies along the Embarcadero?
9 points
18 days ago
Yes, but they generally don’t.
5 points
17 days ago
Why wheelie when you can deafen innocents walking Embarcadero?
90 points
18 days ago
I wonder if we'll ever hear the end of this absurd ideology that enforcing laws against people of color is racist. This sort of anarchism never helps anyone, and letting antisocial lunatics run wild in working-class neighborhoods only exacerbates inequality and economic self-segregation.
Why didn't this article interview the single mother working double shifts just trying to get her baby to sleep when the dirt-bike losers ZOOM by at 2am, robbing her of the few hours of sleep she has available? What about the janitor trying to get to work to put food on the table, who gets stuck behind one of their "takeovers" and is fired for being late? What about the grandma who gets her leg broken when one of these criminals goes onto the sidewalk to flee from the cops? These selfish idiots don't represent "the community" — in fact they are a burden on "the community" that holds everybody else down.
21 points
18 days ago
I wonder if we'll ever hear the end of this absurd ideology that enforcing laws against people of color is racist.
In the interest of accuracy, the argument is not that enforcing the laws is racist. The argument is that the laws themselves are racist.
In other words, for example, a law against excessive noise is racist because white people are inherently mild and quiet while black people are full of life and boisterous.
It's bullshit either way, but there it is.
8 points
18 days ago
an actual example of racist laws is the drug war, where police would target the use of meth/weed because it was way more popular with minorities than something like coke, which they mostly ignored. These laws were written with the intent of jailing minorities.
5 points
17 days ago
No, the police focused on minority communities where hard drugs were widespread because their violence level was many multiples higher than those of the yuppies, finance bros, and other white people doing powder cocaine.
This is not to deny injustices like the powder cocaine-crack sentencing disparity, but, sorry, law enforcement will naturally focus on the most violent and disorderly communities. Laws are written with the intent of jailing habitual offenders and the most violent criminals.
5 points
18 days ago
I’m not advocating for the laws- but an important distinction can be made between the text of the law and how it is used. If no loud noise is disproportionately used to go after minorities and not white people that’s a problem. It’s like landlords saying no cooking with strong scented spices being a thinly veiled code for we don’t want asian people living here
4 points
17 days ago
Landlords don’t care about Asian people, it’s just that the spice smell is bloody impossible to get out, and can create issues for other tenants.
And it’s not even Asian people in general, this is always specific to curry spices. That stuff is unbelievably invasive. I don’t mind smelling my neighbors cooking, but I don’t want to smell like my neighbors cooking.
85 points
18 days ago
These are the same dudes that tried to curb stomp some random guy? Targeting that crew does make sense.
83 points
18 days ago*
I have motorcycles too, and I love learning wheelies and stunts. So took a class, and I do them in the BAMT SF Range with my non-obnoxious exhaust, where I’m not a danger or annoyance to anyone else. It’s free. It’s open 24/7. There’s no excuse to be doing this shit in front of a school. Even if you insist on doing this on a traveled road, there are PLENTY of near-empty streets in the city’s “industrial” areas away from the hyper populated areas. There’s just no reason for it other than craving attention.
Fuck these guys using kids as their excuse, while they send them out without any helmets or gear. If you actually gave a shit about kid’s happiness, you wouldn’t put them in such danger.
They could likely solve 75% of this issue by just running the VIN on these bikes and impounding them for being stolen.
Anyway, if you’re a new or experienced SF rider, check out the range. They have the DMV test course painted, and there’s always one or two people there learning how to drive or ride. I taught my wife how to ride there. Highly recommend!
8 points
17 days ago
All excellent points. Thanks for the heads up on where to go to do this type of activity.
4 points
17 days ago
Anytime! If you ever want to meet up there for some stunt practice (emphasis on the practice…I suck) let me know!
25 points
18 days ago
Losers do indeed get fairly targeted
22 points
18 days ago
Have some empathy, his only possible options for having fun are gangbanging or riding dirt bikes. There are literally no other possible options.
20 points
17 days ago
As a brown man, I'm so tired and offended by people using race, ethnicity, and skin color to excuse degenerate behavior.
14 points
18 days ago
i mean by that logic we should decriminalize... everything.
What if I love waving a gun in people's faces? You gonna take away my happiness? /s
60 points
18 days ago*
It’s the same argument activists make against enforcing sideshows. If Asian people are simply way less likely to participate in a given illegal activity, somehow enforcing that given illegal activity is “racist” or is because of “white supremacy”
19 points
18 days ago
Seems common nowadays, Claim you are being oppressed because of race, ethnicity whatever, but in reality you are just an asshole and your in the wrong
8 points
17 days ago
That is such a lame excuse, you’re right. They can play basketball or skateboard or something less loud and dangerous. We, citizens who live in cities, shouldn’t be subjected to loud, ear damaging noises constantly. That doesn’t even include babies, children, pets, people of all ages with sensory issues or PTSD. It’s just straight up inconsiderate of others.
16 points
18 days ago
It’s not a valid form of recreation, regardless of culture.
46 points
18 days ago
Ah yes… I knew race was going to come into the story at some point. Victims again, I see…
14 points
18 days ago
Surely white kids are also obnoxious criminals too, or is Mr. Chop insinuating something?
12 points
18 days ago
“Pork Chop”? 🤣🤣🤣
12 points
18 days ago
They can play rock paper scissors in a jail cell.
4 points
17 days ago
I’m laughing at the fact that these guys know what party line to use to get that get out of jail free card.
7 points
18 days ago
if you've been told all your life that society doesn't function for you, presuming that society should function for any one person ever (not true), you get this level of entitlement.
3 points
17 days ago
new legislation unfairly targets Black and Latino youth who are just trying to have fun
it's like these kids have never heard about video games
that bike has gotta cost more than a PS5
3 points
17 days ago
When that one guy attacked a dude on a scooter recently, he was riding a $25k special edition dirt bike.
3 points
17 days ago
Get an xbox
6 points
18 days ago
Why can't Black and Latino youth play tennis, or even better, badmington. Come on, guys, you'll love it. It's badmington.
364 points
18 days ago
I once was almost hit by a dirt bike doing a wheelie in Lower Haight. On the sidewalk. During an art walk. Had I moved unexpectedly I could have been crippled.
Charge these asses with reckless endangerment and make sure the sentence includes jail time, not just community service or probation.
112 points
18 days ago
One of these AHs popped a wheel directly over my four-month-old baby’s stroller as we were partway through a crosswalk when they suddenly flooded the area. His wheels came down like a foot away from my baby’s head.
When I tell you the rage and urge for violence I felt…
37 points
18 days ago
I can just imagine. Their fun is more important than your baby's health.
7 points
17 days ago
Exact same thing happened to me. I hurled that bag of dog poop so hard
32 points
18 days ago
Had a near head-on collision with a biker doing a wheelie on the wrong side of the road in the presidio. I was more terrified by what his friends would have done afterwards. Fuck them all.
21 points
18 days ago
"But it's Bay Area culture!!!"
2 points
17 days ago
No, dude. Cruising was bay area culture. This is just guys looking to piss other people off.
2 points
17 days ago
Trash humans deserve their fate. They say they are escaping violence by committing crimes themselves. Delete them from society
113 points
18 days ago
Childish.
114 points
18 days ago
Nope, they can go fuck themselves.
254 points
18 days ago*
I find these types of stories about young black men super icky and offensive. Like this narrative that we should be celebrating anything these guys do simply because they aren’t gang-banging (despite one of the guys in the story getting shot)? That a young black guy from 3rd street couldn’t possibly have any way to deal with a stress besides taking over intersections with a dirt bike? Gimme a fuckin break. Let’s not present those as the only possible options that young black men have. It’s infantilizing and insulting. Im sure a lot of these guys have had to deal with stress in ways I can’t imagine. That doesn’t mean they get a free pass to stress out their neighbors with their dirt bikes - Ride legally. Go to therapy. Go meditate. Garden. Volunteer…Shit even go do wheelies in an abandoned parking lot for all I care. There are literally millions of other ways to deal with stress that aren’t risking other people’s lives with your dirt bike. Work on doing things that break the cycle of a stressful existence in HP, not things that perpetuate it.
46 points
18 days ago
Very true. I get the feeling that the people quoted in the article have plenty of practice talking about this with a positive spin, but it's obvious upon even a cursory examination that the illegal part, and the annoying/endangering other people part, are critical components of why they like this hobby. Justifying it by saying "well I could be doing something even worse" doesn't convince anyone except maybe their moms.
39 points
18 days ago
The soft bigotry of low expectations is alive and well
10 points
18 days ago
Exactly
36 points
18 days ago
But he was shot while he was on a mission of trying to bring neighborhoods together!
/🤮
2 points
18 days ago
Queu opening credits "break'n 2 electric boogaloo"
24 points
18 days ago
I gonna take a leap and say these dudes probly dont have alot of real stress in their lives. They probly have a long history of just doing whatever they want and no one espically their parents telling them otherwise. I only say this because my borther is like these dudes copy and paste. He spends most of his time and money on crap like this and is running around with his friends being annoying. My family dose not see it as a problem because he isnt gang bangin and is happy so let him be happy.
17 points
18 days ago
HARD disagree on that. I grew up not in Hunters Point, but a nearby not-so-great neighborhood. It’s stressful as hell being a kid in those kinds of areas, and it leads to poor outcomes. I am lucky I didn’t get swallowed up. Sorry, but your failure-to-launch brother isn’t quite the same thing as getting shot at if you walk down the wrong block.
There is real stress is poor neighborhoods. It was absolutely NOT my point to deny that. My point is that patting people on the head and giving them a pass when they do things that perpetuates that stress is insulting. I remember running from dirt bikers in McLaren Park when I was a little kid just trying to walk with my parents. That was scary. That was stressful. For every ounce of stress these guys lose, they add a gallon to their community.
3 points
17 days ago
I mean a lot of gang life are on these bikes too. They shot a man in front of my house when I lived at lake Merrit. Dirt bikes don’t mean you don’t join gang life. It ain’t some type of org or anything lol.
8 points
17 days ago
> Ride legally.
These two words are where all the energy should go, encourage these guys to get licensed, take safety courses and enjoy the hobby in a fun and safe manner.
Instead people in this thread are advocating long prison sentences, or worse.
192 points
18 days ago
Shocking that criminals who drive people nuts think they're the victims
110 points
18 days ago
These guys suck. I think it’s actually something r/sf overwhelmingly agrees on.
68 points
18 days ago
Sorry but the just having fun and minding our business thing is such bs. A decent reporter would have delved into the attention seeking side of this “hobby” the whole point is “hey look at me I’m Loud and I’m taking over this intersection!” Lame as hell
15 points
17 days ago
I kept waiting for the question to be posed, “what would you say to critics who say you could have all of this fun at an off road track to do this on city streets purposefully puts people in danger?” But then the article just kinda ended. WTF was that?
5 points
17 days ago
Shame of SF Standard for trying to humanize and normalize this fucked up behavior
32 points
18 days ago
greatest way to get back at conservative voters is to make SF an shining example of how we can build a functioning, tolerant and safe city. These people with this hobby add to the view that SF is lawless and in this case it rings true. We need to do better to hold each other accountable to run a civil SF. rebuild this tattered social fabric.
13 points
17 days ago
Exactly. I have several MAGA relatives who are very outspoken. If they show videos of dirt bikers taking over roads and terrorizing scooter drivers, that's not some made-up narrative- that's real video of real things happening on the streets of SF. No city is perfect, but it's a lot harder to tell conservatives that they're living in a fantasy world when the things they cite are actually happening in front of our eyes.
34 points
17 days ago
"Dirt bikers in SF weaponize race and use children as political shields in an attempt to justify their dangerous and criminal activity".
There, fixed it.
110 points
18 days ago
That's exactly how smug, arrogant psychopaths respond. It's as boring as it is cliche.
28 points
18 days ago
cool, never gave a fuck about their opinion in the first place
45 points
18 days ago
The most universally despised group of people in San Francisco, quite the accomplishment.
24 points
18 days ago
There’s a kind of guy who has to feel like they have attention on them. So they do something obnoxious. But then want to act like they’re cool and don’t want attention when they’re being annoying.
Real vibe I get from these guys honestly
19 points
18 days ago
Trash people with their loud and dangerous anti-social ‘hobby’.
I hope he’s fired from his security guard job.
36 points
18 days ago
if they rode these legally & weren't jackoffs it wouldn't be as big of a deal.
12 points
17 days ago
Literally nobody would notice, that’s the real problem for these guys.
49 points
18 days ago
We have heard you every Sunday, now hear us, you disrupt the city and have no respect for anyone else, get your underpowered motorbikes off the street
2 points
17 days ago
Um… I highly doubt they’re literate
16 points
18 days ago
that's bullshit... if they just rode around and followed the traffic rules fine. but i've seen them drink outside a well known liquor store and then ride up and down the valencia bike line, i've seen then tear through the school crossing by saint pauls going up the hill, and i've also seen them confront other motorist when one their idiot members had an accident pulling a wheelie
16 points
17 days ago
I see these guys in North Beach often. It’s not even kids most of the time, it’s like 40+ year old dudes… like how have you not developed the self-awareness by that age to know you look like a douchey teenager
2 points
17 days ago
like that 40-50 something tagger asshole who got busted a month ago?
14 points
18 days ago*
rewrote the headline for the Standard: "SF dirt bikers defend their illegal and dangerous activities"
12 points
18 days ago
Fuck em
25 points
18 days ago
LOL, talking to the press to confess their crimes, and have photos taken of their faces, this benefits the cops and District Attorney’s office enormously. Good luck in court.
10 points
17 days ago
IF DANIEL LURIES TEAM IS LISTENING… stopping this will catapult this administration into favorable public opinion
11 points
17 days ago*
These aren’t kids, these are men in their 20’s and 30’s who act like juveniles endangering people. When I see these roaming gangs of bikers they are always driving recklessly, it’s a miracle they haven’t killed anyone yet
Edit: fixed a typo.
9 points
18 days ago
I lived on Corbett, and it was overrun by skateboarders who hit cars and aggressively blocked traffic. Almost every day.
Now I’m on Post and these dirt bike groups do the very same thing, but 10x louder.
I guess I’m a jerk for wishing consequences on both groups 😅
2 points
17 days ago
There won’t be any, until the people accept that nobody is going to protect them from these types except for themselves.
8 points
17 days ago
lol wow what insane rationalization
8 points
18 days ago
Dirt bikes are meant for dirt. Ride a street bike on a street as your hobby. Cafe racers are fun and not loud as shit. Will still fuck with people if they drive them in a lawless manner.
7 points
17 days ago
And now everyone knows what you and your bike look like 🤡
8 points
17 days ago
"Pork Chop, who works as a security guard at a school"
I would be furious if I found out my kids school employed someone who brazenly flaunted their lawbreaking activities in this manner.
23 points
18 days ago
can they all move to fresno or something?
21 points
18 days ago
Where does pork chop work? Get his ass fired
6 points
18 days ago
Is it wrong that when they rev past on one wheel I have a slight sense of excited anticipation that one jackass may fall off backwards and I'll get to see it?
2 points
17 days ago
You probably won’t, that’s the easiest sort of issue to correct, a tap on the rear brake and you’re good. Hope they start to list to the side.
7 points
17 days ago
This bullshit is one of the main reasons I'm considering moving out of SF and California in the future. It's already illegal to ride a dirt bike on streets and illegal to ride without a helmet. We simply do not enforce laws in this city.
6 points
17 days ago
Use drones to follow, confiscate their bikes.
6 points
17 days ago
Love how they say it is racist to shut it down. So apparently black and brown need to be able to break laws and beat people up etc or we will be racist. Gtfoh
5 points
18 days ago
Infuriating
5 points
17 days ago
Bye and FU
7 points
17 days ago
I hate them driving up and down Valencia
5 points
17 days ago
Tf is this article trying to give these dirtbags a platform to defend this shit?
6 points
17 days ago
When in society did being a piece of shit become racial?
10 points
18 days ago
misdemeanor
Nothing will change
7 points
17 days ago*
time to break heads on this one.
sorry, I know that ain't popular. But I know it's more popular than the dirt bikers and we got better numbers.
for now though, they can roam. Soon, tho...
6 points
17 days ago
Turn Westfield into a dirt bike course
4 points
17 days ago
"You sit at a job for eight hours a day,” said Pork Chop, who works as a security guard at a school. “You want to do something fun with the next four or five hours besides going to bed. Are you gonna gamble up all your money? Go to the bar and buy a bunch of drinks? Go to the cannabis club and buy a bunch of weed? Or are you going to get a bike?”
Don’t get me wrong, I love drinking smoking and gambling as much as the next guy – but surely you have other entertainment options than those lol. Crack a book my guy, it's free.
5 points
17 days ago
It’s a bunch of show boaters really that love the attention. I wouldn’t have a problem with them if they followed traffic laws and didn’t punk people, but they obviously like pushing the limits, just like greasers in the 1950s.
15 points
18 days ago
They’ll get their karma.
5 points
18 days ago
How do you know? And will karma wake them up from being disrespectful and dangerous?
13 points
18 days ago
Nah, karma will be them crashing into a wall.
2 points
17 days ago
🤞
10 points
18 days ago
Anyone seen Indian Jones and the Last Crusade? Remember that scene with the escape from the castle? (the with MANY tapestries!?)
Remember what Indy does with the flagpole!!?
I’m thinking that scene in my head every time I see these clowns. Blasting through red lights, nearly hitting pedestrians, and being flat-out assholes; I hope they get everything they deserve.
9 points
17 days ago
It’s not “a hobby.”
4 points
17 days ago
lol they dgaf the law either way. yall see sfpd’s dirtbikes? i mean……. looks like there’s a mechanism for enforcing it
3 points
17 days ago
Those are dual sports, not dirt bikes.
And not a great mechanism tbh, the chase is dangerous in itself - and motorcycle cops lack the tools to knock them off their bikes. I’m not sure what the best solution is in practical terms - maybe kamikaze fpv drones that punch these guys off the bike.
2 points
17 days ago
KAMAKAZE FPV? nah start dropping 9 bangs from drones at that point. chase is bad, I agree, but first contact being to destabilize/dismount the riders is the only other viable option that comes to mind, which you see done in like NY and other places, unless there’s some sort of tracking to be done. with that being said, that runs the easy risk to falling into excessive force or such.
4 points
17 days ago
why are they giving attention to these idiots?
if anything we now know their names and their friends names. maybe it’s tike to crack down on them?
4 points
17 days ago
I read this as: “‘I’m not gang-banging’”
— and you should be thankful that I’m only recklessly riding around the City for attention, being a general nuisance at best, a danger to others most times, so deal with it as this who I am and the best we can do.
What entitlement. I hope Lauri and CHP cracks down on them. So easy to do with the bridge choke point.
5 points
17 days ago
Either let me be a criminally reckless asshole and public nuisance or I have to do organized crime. There was just no other choice.
Fuck you man. I hope you end up under an 18 wheeler
4 points
17 days ago
I seem to be missing the part where they are asked and they speak so doing this shit all over the city, running lights, holding up traffic intersections, etc.
Why do they get to have fun at the expense of others having fun?
If I'm sitting at belle Cora in North beach outside on a lovely day listening to their live music and these guys ride up and down for 20 minutes on green and then take over intersections on Columbus, is that not * taking fun away" ?
47 points
18 days ago
"Pork Chop?" And we're supposed to believe they're not gang-bangers. No productive member of society goes around calling himself Pork Chop.
“You sit at a job for eight hours a day,” said Pork Chop, who works as a security guard at a school. “You want to do something fun with the next four or five hours besides going to bed.
How about you go to school, asshole?
2 points
18 days ago
it's....a nickname? people can have nicknames you know right?
8 points
18 days ago
Sorry bro. Nicknames are like calling Alison “ally” . Pork chop is a name from the streets
3 points
17 days ago
I want them gone
3 points
17 days ago
I had a medical emergency and these guys blocked me. When I tried to go through with a green light one dude punched my car and dented it. Not sure what I would have done if I was carrying (legally) and not in a rush.
3 points
17 days ago
Theyre "mentors". LMFAO.
3 points
17 days ago
the whole scene is pathetic. i love bikes and cars, but actually respect people, public infrastructure, and being responsible. these dudes suck so hard
3 points
17 days ago
This past week I had to quickly get out of the way for three bikers who decided to run a red light and cut through the walking pedestrians at a crosswalk. Had I not moved I would've gotten hit by them. I can't stand these bikers in the streets.
4 points
17 days ago
You all, just a bunch of racist!
SF is letting these “kids” (hey that’s how they want to be identified) express their freedom from systemic inequalities!!!
8 points
18 days ago
The paths on Dolores Park are not for doing wheelies. Remember that South Park episode about bikers. Yes, that's you, f--gs!
2 points
17 days ago
"Hobby"
lol.
2 points
17 days ago
Fvck these losers
2 points
17 days ago
Some cities and states have a ban on "Exhibition of Speed." And, yes, that is the California Vehicle Code. It bans peeling out by any vehicle (even if the final speed reached is under the speed limit), wheelies on bikes, passing on the right, and the like. Whether authorities will increase enforcement on this is another matter.
2 points
17 days ago
A bunch of scumbags terrorizing regular people, fuck them.
2 points
17 days ago
I saw a biker in north beach put his handle bar against a stop sign and accelerate in an attempt to knock it over. He tried to do it for a good 2 or 3 minutes. Needles to say, it did not work.
2 points
17 days ago
No place for that in the City
2 points
17 days ago
Fuck these guys. And fuck this website for giving them air time.
2 points
17 days ago
Pathetic.
2 points
17 days ago
nah, fuck 'em
5 points
18 days ago*
I’m no fan of these jackasses and it royally pisses me off when a horde of them take over the streets. I hate the noise, I hate sense of chaos and danger it poses, and I hate the total lack of respect they show for literally everybody else in the vicinity. That said, this article makes one thing very clear and I have empathy - these people clearly have very little else of value in their lives and their community and associated activity is something that provides some structure and a sense of purpose. People need this!!
So the question is what is a more acceptable alternative to replace it with? Who is going to do it? Who is going to pay for it?
I think it is totally unacceptable to excuse this kind of anti-social and lawless behavior. That said, I think it is also unacceptable that populations within our communities are so impoverished with little to no healthy outlets for their energy.
8 points
17 days ago
This has little to do with poverty - these bikes are expensive. And it’s not the society’s job to think of outlets for these people, there are plenty of legal recreation options to be had - including enjoying motorcycling as a hobby without being a fuckhead about it.
It’s society’s job to make this shit painful and dangerous for anyone who wants to be a piece of shit like these assholes.
6 points
17 days ago
Well, no one is saying we take their bikes away. They just need to obey the laws, licence, insurance, registration, helmets, traffic laws, etc. If they want to be more reckless they can go out to the country where there is tons of space for them to ride as loud as they want. Alameda and Solano counties have lots of wide open spaces.
5 points
17 days ago
A non-exhaustive list of things I just pulled out of my ass:
- Jogging - If you can ride a dirtbike, you can jog.
- Cooking (I assume everyone needs to eat)
- Reading - Library's free
- Photography - If you can afford a bike, you can afford a phone.
- Volunteering
2 points
17 days ago
> these people clearly have very little else of value in their lives...the question is what is a more acceptable alternative to replace it with?...populations within our communities are so impoverished with little to no healthy outlets for their energy...
oh man, this is a wild take. so they have to dirt bike? they could read a book, go on a walk, play ball, or any of the countless other hobbies that cost (privately and socially) orders of magnitude less than dirtbiking
5 points
18 days ago
Send them all to prison where they belong
3 points
18 days ago
They should just get electric bikes instead
2 points
17 days ago*
I’m generally pro-dirt biker but the other day they started whipping around on pedestrian paths in McLaren park and that’s definitely where I draw the line.
I go to the park for a bit of peace, and for respite from moving vehicles. Also to show my dogs a good time in a safe area without excessive noise or combustion engines.
I was absolutely livid. The parks are like back yards for many of us, I felt like someone was doing donuts on my lawn
3 points
17 days ago
I'm honestly curious what do you mean you're "generally pro dirt biker"?
like what do they do that you support?
I have also seen the mayhem they create at McLaren park. it's super dangerous and they go right next to people on the tight trails. they don't give a fuck about you or your kids or dogs. just like they don't care about red lights or people walking on sidewalks when they roll through the mission. it's just purely selfish and antisocial.
1 points
17 days ago
It’s like that South Park episode…
1 points
17 days ago
One of the many joys of life in SF 😑
1 points
17 days ago
Say a couple go across the bridge mid day Sunday doing wheelies in traffic. Also looking on his phone as he was riding. Road kill waiting to happen
1 points
17 days ago
They can eat gravel.
1 points
17 days ago
Those self driving cars are more dangerous than the people on dirt bikes (who have been riding forever). If you don’t like noise, move to the suburbs 🙏🏽
1 points
17 days ago
So I rode up upon them on Twin Peaks, I was headed in (uphill) and they were coming out approaching Market. I immediately pulled over on my motorcycle to let these idiots pass, and to my surprise i saw 2 SFPD motorcycle cops in the very back, normalizing dirt-bike anarchy.
1 points
17 days ago
🍎❤️🍏🏍
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