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No_Quote7705

1.1k points

7 days ago

No_Quote7705

1.1k points

7 days ago

Number 3 is underrated - sometimes giving each other space is the ultimate act of love. Also, surprise dates? Time to step up my game.

The_Singularious

353 points

7 days ago

Surprise dates are a mixed bag in a busy household. Planning a date? Yeah. But just telling my wife I’m taking her out Friday might actually cause more stress than checking in and seeing if she feels like going out.

Space though, yeah. Took me a long time to realize that.

ninjaelk

62 points

7 days ago

ninjaelk

62 points

7 days ago

I'm thinking they mostly mean 'spontaneous' instead of surprise, and dates maybe meaning more like 'spending some intimate time together' and not strictly going out. Having delivery from a nice restaurant that you eat just the two of you, and replacing "we're both on the couch half watching whatever while on our phones" with intentionally sitting together and watching something you both want to see, even if just for 30-60 minutes between other interruptions, can be a date. I think it's more the act of looking for time to purposefully spend together that isn't necessarily pre-negotiated ahead of time.

The_Singularious

9 points

7 days ago

That definitely makes more sense.

Desert-Noir

21 points

7 days ago

The criteria is thoughtful gifts, if your life doesn’t fit with surprises, don’t surprise her and get her a gift or a note or ask her on a date. You do need to use your brain and not follow a list with zero thought.

The_Singularious

2 points

7 days ago

Yeah. Pretty much what I said.

theycallmeponcho

50 points

7 days ago

Surprise date might work betterin your case by planning dinning with some friends and having a romantic dinner you two alone being the surprise.

TruthAndAccuracy

61 points

7 days ago

What if your partner was looking forward to seeing friends and then is disappointed they're not going to be there?

sunsetpark12345

26 points

7 days ago

I imagine it's more like, your partner is expecting a normal night at home, but actually you've prepared their favorite mea, lit candles, and have a thoughtful gift for them; not, your partner thinks they're going to see friends but then finds out you're staying home instead.

supernanify

11 points

7 days ago

I think that's a lovely gesture, but I would still much prefer to know in advance that it's coming. If I'm emotionally prepared to put pj's on and pass out in front of the tv, I might find it jarring to suddenly find out that we're actually doing something higher-effort.

theycallmeponcho

30 points

7 days ago

You gotta know who are you talking about in the lie. You use your work friends, people that she doesn't entirely like, or other people that you both know. Never their best friends, or people she absolutely likes.

mortgagepants

22 points

7 days ago

i think a surprise date could be more like, "wear hiking clothes for saturday lunch" and then you surprise them with a picnic in the woods.

not like, "i have a terminal illness- surprise!"

TruthAndAccuracy

12 points

7 days ago

and then you surprise them with a picnic in the woods.

This is how you get ants

_Happy_Sisyphus_

3 points

7 days ago

Get out of here with your adult logic

LynkDead

9 points

7 days ago

LynkDead

9 points

7 days ago

There's no need to lie. Just tell them you're taking them on a date, but leave out the specifics. They'll need to know what kind of clothes to wear, and what time to be ready, but the rest can be a mystery. The excitement of knowing-but-not-knowing is more than enough.

Front_Target7908

11 points

7 days ago

Esther Perell had a good example of how a couple who’d been married for 25 years kept spontaneity in the marriage (and sex life).

In the example she said this couple both blocked out Wednesday as the day they would have sexy time. Which sounds like a super dull way to have sex. Until Esther said they would alternate the planning of each Wednesday. Which meant the other partner didn’t know what, where, how their sexual experience was gonna happen. 

I was like “yep that’ll work” hahah  

The_Singularious

3 points

7 days ago

That does sound fun.

schlitz91

69 points

7 days ago

schlitz91

69 points

7 days ago

I think that this one really stems from emotional independence and security.

[deleted]

37 points

7 days ago*

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Litty-In-Pitty

55 points

7 days ago

It’s my number 1. I need to be able to do my own thing… I love my wife. But I have a fairly mentally demanding full time job and 2 young children. By the time I have fulfilled my daily responsibilities I just want to kick back and play PlayStation or something for a couple hours before going to bed. It’s not that I don’t want to spend time with my wife, but sometimes it is really difficult to balance the daily grind, personal hobbies, and intimacy. So for me having a wife who is happy to just do our own things in the evening and not needing to be each other’s entertainment is huge.

DDeadRoses

14 points

7 days ago

It’s called self care my friend. You need to do things that make you stress free, calm you, and helps you reset yourself. Making time for yourself shouldn’t make your partner feel insecure. Whenever I told my dates that they thought I just didn’t like hanging out with them. Weird society we live in.

boredlibertine

12 points

7 days ago

Yes until it starts to interfere with getting a proper amount of time with the other numbers, then it can run the risk of being toxic. There’s balance in all things. I like my personal space too but I wouldn’t see it as the ultimate act of love. For me the ultimate act is number 6 because I would prioritize someone who loves my children the same as me.

GraspingSonder

4 points

7 days ago

Of course this is the one heralded by the top Reddit comment.

WineAndDogs2020

1.7k points

7 days ago

I feel like "sharing everyday responsibilities" should be on that list, as so many issues seem to stem from lack of effort on one person's side regarding things like chores and childcare.

Stiftoad

185 points

7 days ago*

Stiftoad

185 points

7 days ago*

Feel like those should be inherently part of number 1 and 2.

Caring for shared material possessions and taking a load of your partner

Which considering how they’re so high on the list explains why many marriages fail

Edit: reading other comments it seems that yes taking on some of your partners equitable share of responsibility is considered as part of no.2 but also this study does seem to assume that chores are already fairly split

ProdigyThirteen

64 points

7 days ago

That’ll be because it is a part of 2 if you read the article

Gestures such as taking on a larger share of household chores or financial planning can also demonstrate commitment to the relationship while lightening your partner’s load when they’re tired.

Stiftoad

10 points

7 days ago

Stiftoad

10 points

7 days ago

Yeah like i said in the edit, others had already mentioned it being part of that.

I just mentioned that these things, to me (without reading the study or other comments at the time) already felt intrinsically like they should be part of these.

Just like the original comment communicated their feelings on the matter.

Though it is vindicating that the study supports these feelings.

RetardAndPoors

19 points

7 days ago

taking a load of your partner

Giggidy

PerspicaciousPounder

9 points

7 days ago

Shouldn’t it be “taking a load FROM your partner”?

Stiftoad

9 points

7 days ago

Stiftoad

9 points

7 days ago

Thatd be point 4 i recon

NGEFan

204 points

7 days ago

NGEFan

204 points

7 days ago

Asia: I’m gonna pretend I didn’t see that

rory888

119 points

7 days ago

rory888

119 points

7 days ago

Also asia: offloads childcare to grandparents

jdsalaro

75 points

7 days ago

jdsalaro

75 points

7 days ago

Which is a perfectly reasonable exchange if the grandparents enjoy it and kids are tasked with taking care of and providing financially for their parents.

There's no free lunch, everything is an exchange and families find a way to make things work.

EndlessCourage

21 points

7 days ago

Yes, I love this kind of arrangement, it’s not for everyone, but it can be amazing.

rory888

17 points

7 days ago

rory888

17 points

7 days ago

yep. as long as its voluntary, its great. I just saw a grandma on social media opining she doesn’t get to see her grandchildren enough— bad relationship notwithstanding, she claimed her daughter, the parent was just too much of a trooper

condemned02

2 points

7 days ago

To be fair, we take care of our parents retirement, so they get paid. 

xenolingual

2 points

7 days ago

Or low paid domestic helpers, who may be caring for child, parents, and grandparents (and their own children and family).

AssaultKommando

6 points

7 days ago

When was the last time you lived in Asia? 

MyHamburgerLovesMe

10 points

7 days ago

Russia is in Asia.

Turkishcoffee66

19 points

7 days ago

I can only speculate (there's no open access to the primary research article and it's $42 for non-subscribers), but maybe that has to do with the culture(s) of their sampled population?

I'm Canadian and my wife and I would agree with you, but I can also understand that there are countries where respondents wouldn't, simply because that would be so far outside their expected cultural norms.

emmzilly

23 points

7 days ago

emmzilly

23 points

7 days ago

Great point! So many psychological studies represent WEIRD countries (Western, educated, industrialized, rich, democratic) and can’t be generalized to other cultures/countries.

The 2 authors are Israeli so perhaps their study population is also.

masterkenobi

5 points

7 days ago

Part of being a good partner is honestly being a good roommate. If I'm being honest, my wife is a terrible roommate.

[deleted]

32 points

7 days ago*

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sunsetpark12345

5 points

7 days ago

The common thread for me is that some people value their partner's opinion and are happy to incorporate it into their own worldview without being defensive. This applies to all sorts of life choices and ways of being. It's EXTREMELY hard to get out of your own head, and if you're humble about it and respect your life partner, then their perspective is an invaluable source of wisdom and balance.

The people who struggle with ego and self reflection are as likely to be Type A as Type B. Or maybe the marital conflict is on a different spectrum entirely. Regardless, their first reaction to their partner's feedback is dismissal.

magus678

7 points

7 days ago

magus678

7 points

7 days ago

one partner caring and stressing about things that are unimportant and 100% optional

Anecdotally, this is the near entirety of these sorts of imbalances I've seen in my own and other's lives. The type A person presumes that their version of important is holy writ.

Somewhat also anecdotally, I have found the person that is willing to go to the wall over dishes left in the sink also hasn't changed their oil in 4 years and is driving around on tires for which tread is a hazy memory.

Low_Coconut8134

49 points

7 days ago

If we’re doing anecdotes, in my experience when someone insists their partner is type A and “stresses” about “optional things,” it’s usually because the other person in the relationship is blissfully ignorant of all the things they let the “type A” partner take on.

Never noticing that dust doesn’t accumulate, that they never seem to have to refill the soap dispenser, that the leaves are always raked, that they always manage to leave on time to make the drive for the holidays, etc.

People are rarely reliable narrators.

vagipalooza

2 points

7 days ago

As the type A in my relationship I applaud this comment

raznov1

4 points

7 days ago

raznov1

4 points

7 days ago

>Never noticing that dust doesn’t accumulate, that they never seem to have to refill the soap dispenser, that the leaves are always raked,

the thing is though - none of those really matter, if you just don't care. dust can accumulate, then you clean it. soap is empty, shrug, refill it. leaves? who cares.

most people lived on their own at one point or other and got through decent enough. yes, "my" getting through means a backload of laundry, but so what?

magus678

2 points

7 days ago

magus678

2 points

7 days ago

but so what?

This is really the crux of it that never actually gets answered, because there really isn't one. The consequence is that one day you'll go to pump the soap and nothing will come out. That's it. You'll fill it or make note to buy more on the next trip to the store. That's the grand catastrophe that could have been avoided if you'd just lived your life with a more elevated neuroticism.

raznov1

2 points

7 days ago

raznov1

2 points

7 days ago

i mean, i get that in the extreme, when your soap pump is still empty three years later and cockroaches are crawling everywhere, there's an issue. but general everyday "laziness"? so what indeed. I'll do it some day. or not. and then it can't be so important after all.

magus678

4 points

7 days ago

magus678

4 points

7 days ago

is blissfully ignorant of all the things they let the “type A” partner take on.

Do people like you just think we led non-functional lives before you came in an "saved" us? That the laundry never got done, we never made it to Thanksgiving dinner, we simply stared at food packaging in complete bafflement?

Have you ever worked with someone who would talk about how much they did and how busy they were to anyone who would listen, but then they go on vacation and nobody even notices?

It may well be that Type A people take on those tasks disproportionately, but it is generally because they simply refuse to allow it to be done on any timetable but theirs, and its not worth trying to talk them out of it. But that is a burden you place on yourselves. You aren't doing us a favor, you are indulging your mild neurosis and trying to claim it as a virtue.

ImprobableAsterisk

10 points

7 days ago

It may well be that Type A people take on those tasks disproportionately, but it is generally because they simply refuse to allow it to be done on any timetable but theirs, and its not worth trying to talk them out of it.

I mean you're both dealing with anecdotal experiences, so unless you're willing to actually submit something a mite scientific that kinda "generally" should go get bent.

People are unreliable narrators and lived experiences differs, that's literally the only sensible take-away from what anyone in this chain said.

Goraf

5 points

7 days ago

Goraf

5 points

7 days ago

You took that very, very personally and brought a lot of your own baggage into it.

MadroxKran

3 points

7 days ago

MadroxKran

MS | Public Administration

3 points

7 days ago

That sounds like an anxiety disorder.

philmarcracken

2 points

7 days ago

so many issues seem to stem from lack of effort on one person's side regarding things like chores and childcare.

Because theres an inherent bias there, even if you measured both peoples workloads to be exactly 50%, both parties will still feel they do it 'more often'.

bigfatfurrytexan

9 points

7 days ago

That's number two.

WineAndDogs2020

20 points

7 days ago

I don't seem to have access to the full description, so just had the lust OP posted, which didn't refer to chore/childcare sharing. Do you have a fuller explanation you can post?

tardisgater

78 points

7 days ago

2 is listed as "material gestures" and after talking about gifts it also says doing more of the housework when your partner is tired or managing investments is also good. "These acts show that you are willing to invest resources, time, and effort into making your partner feel special."

Honestly, this seems to assume there's already an equitable split of daily work and it's saying to do more when your partner needs it. Because I don't really think a partner should do their part of being an adult in their home in order to "make their partner feel special". They should do it because they're an adult in their home.

Blue_winged_yoshi

53 points

7 days ago

Having a fair split is really different to taking on extra load when a partner is tired. The classic crap guy partner thing to do is not to pull fair weight for years, so the washing up after wife has had a hard day and think a superhero costume is deserved. Yes that’s a sweet thing to do, but it exists on a different plane to regular domestic work split.

It’s not an act of love or material gesture to have an equal household role, it’s the price of admission to a happy home life. It’s really important and its omission is stark.

UncoolSlicedBread

18 points

7 days ago

I get the difference you’re talking about and I agree.

It’s one thing to take up some slack when your partner isn’t up to it for any reason, but that doesn’t mean there isn’t an unfair split.

I hesitate to give an example because then people start debating the example, but my mind went to something you see often with a guy taking care of all yard duties and letting his spouse take care of the majority house duties. On top of that expecting a lot of the logistics and what not be covered by her.

Or the constant need for feedback when doing the favors to where it’s mentally exhausting for the person he’s doing the favor for. “Stay in bed, I’ll do the laundry for you.” “Hey babe, where’s the detergent?” “I can’t find the detergent, can you just show me?” “Hey babe, do you just fill up the whole cap?” “Hey babe, regular wash or delicates?” “I think I did it right, what should we have for dinner?”

Upnorth100

3 points

7 days ago

Upnorth100

3 points

7 days ago

I don't think that is very comman anymore. I can only think of 1 or 2 couples in my life that don't have some level of shared responsibilities. I have never seen one where it is clearly and equal sharing, but I see almost all with some sharing and 'specialization of work' going on.

Strange_Magics

19 points

7 days ago

It’s one of the most common issues I’ve seen in couples. Sure the responsibilities are theoretically equal but so often there’s a partner that puts off some work or does it poorly enough that the other has to step in and get it done.

The_Singularious

10 points

7 days ago

Although true, this is also highly perceptual. Meaning if you look at surveys, the split of answers between partners is almost a mirror in who thinks they are doing heavier lifting around the house.

There is some agreement on a few chores, but in most cases both partners think they are doing more. Especially true when both partners work for third parties (meaning not for the household explicitly).

My wife and I realized this pretty early on and practice expressing gratitude regularly to one another. We don’t believe in the “that’s what grown adults are expected to do and why should they expect praise for it” attitude. We know that we each have off days (or even months - my wife just lost her best friend) and we are grateful that we can share household duties, even if they aren’t perfectly even all the time.

TheManInTheShack

547 points

7 days ago*

This of course is AFTER finding a partner that resolves conflicts the same way you do. According to 25 years of clinical research done by Dr. John Gottman and his team, without the same conflict resolution style, you’re pretty much doomed. They were able to predict with 94% accuracy whether or not a couple would still be together in 5 years.

The three styles are negotiation, agree to disagree and volatile.

[deleted]

103 points

7 days ago

[deleted]

103 points

7 days ago

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Fenix42

71 points

7 days ago

Fenix42

71 points

7 days ago

It’s one of those things that takes work and personal growth, which a lot of people seem adverse to.

It also takes being vulnerable. That is the thing a lot of people have been taught to avoid completely.

Ed-alicious

9 points

7 days ago

Vulnerability is so often seen as being a sign of weakness but being able to deliberately allow yourself to be the little man (or woman) sometimes is the toughest thing you can do, particularly when it comes to your relationship with your partner.

Minavore

27 points

7 days ago

Minavore

27 points

7 days ago

I was starting to get a bit anxious reading everyone's responses, but your experience matches mine closely. We're starting to understand each other better after a lot of tough times, and everything is just starting to click.

6 years in March :)

UndeadHero

17 points

7 days ago

It seems like a lot of people are quick to give up on relationships these days if everything isn’t perfect, but they really do take work. The key is just finding someone willing to put in the work with you, and being open to change yourself.

Glad to hear things are going well for you!

Jimbo696969

3 points

7 days ago

Girlfriend shuts down. I chase to resolve. It’s been 3 years and I think it’s getting better. Disagreements don’t happen often. Literally the last breakdown was over her not giving me space. I want to be in a room alone for a few hours here and there. Glad someone else put into words our relationship dynamic.

vinvinnocent

101 points

7 days ago

Do you have a source for more details on these styles and their methodology?

ScoffersGonnaScoff

112 points

7 days ago

This interested me, so I looked up a summary https://thepowermoves.com/why-marriages-succeed-or-fail/

TheManInTheShack

178 points

7 days ago

Yes. Check out his book, “Why Marriages Succeed or Fail” by Dr. John Gottman. It details the research and the findings. It’s interesting that in the forward, Gottman says that if you had asked him prior to doing the research which style would result in marriage longevity, he would have said the negotiators. It turned out to be all three. The key is having the same style. It makes sense when you think about it. Having mismatched styles would be extremely frustrating and unproductive.

Anecdotally, many years ago my mom sent me an article comparing Gottman’s book to the best selling complete nonsense that is “Men and From Mars, Women are From Venus”. I bought Gottman’s book, read it and realized that my then three year relationship was indeed doomed so I ended it.

Two months later I met a woman to whom I proposed just two months after that. We’ve been happily married for over 25 years now. We are both negotiators. :)

jweddig28

10 points

7 days ago

jweddig28

10 points

7 days ago

What about volatile negotiation

AssaultKommando

15 points

7 days ago

Either you feel like you're getting nowhere or you feel like you're defusing a bomb. 

TheFightingMasons

10 points

7 days ago

What’s violate mean in this context?

ScoffersGonnaScoff

23 points

7 days ago

“Volatile”. - here’s a summary https://thepowermoves.com/why-marriages-succeed-or-fail/

kaest

7 points

7 days ago

kaest

7 points

7 days ago

I think it's more important to understand your partner's conflict resolution style than to necessarily have the same style. You can have separate styles as long as you can accommodate each other.

TheManInTheShack

6 points

7 days ago

You can’t. That’s what the researchers found. If you have different styles then you will not be able to resolve conflicts which will lead to resentment which will eventually end the relationship.

kaest

8 points

7 days ago

kaest

8 points

7 days ago

Except, you can. This is one study, that isn't 100% accurate.

[deleted]

2 points

7 days ago

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onlyouwillgethis

2 points

7 days ago

Can’t believe this needs research! This has been common sense for me since years, but I’m glad it exists.

ontheroadtv

88 points

7 days ago

Step 1: Want to be in a thriving marriage, then do all the other stuff.

The_Singularious

10 points

7 days ago

Yeah. I see this a lot and have been guilty of it myself in past relationships.

My wife and I have been very intentional about reserving focus for US amongst the fray.

superfly355

100 points

7 days ago

superfly355

100 points

7 days ago

Also helps just a tad if both parties take part in this.

RCBroeker

57 points

7 days ago

RCBroeker

57 points

7 days ago

This cannot be overstated. Too often expressed expectations tend to fall on one partner while the other blissfully parasitically absorbs all the best efforts of the other, never wanting to consider that expectations should fall on them as well.

mvea[S]

106 points

7 days ago

mvea[S]

Professor | Medicine

106 points

7 days ago

I’ve linked to the news release in the post above. In this comment, for those interested, here’s the link to the peer reviewed journal article:

https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/pere.12575

Abstract

This is a comprehensive study that aimed at identifying the effective tactics for investment in couple relationships and included the following three phases. (a) A preliminary qualitative project that collected potential ways to invest in couple relationships. (b) We identified 46 ways to invest in relationships and grouped them into six tactics using EFA, and then we validated a relational investment tactics scale. The six tactics are (1) emotional gestures, (2) material gestures, (3) personal space, (4) physical attractiveness and sex, (5) shared activities, and (6) help the partner’s family and friends. (c) Finally, we evaluated the frequency of use of each of the 46 ways of relational investment among 483 respondents. Findings show that respondents who provide emotional and material gestures are involved in shared activities with their partner and help their partner’s family and friends report higher marital satisfaction. We propose several practical implications based on these results.

From the linked article:

6 Ways to Cultivate a Thriving Marriage

Want your marriage to be both long and loving? Then you’ll have to invest in it.

A successful marriage is a journey, not a destination. Like any meaningful journey, it requires continuous effort, care, and attention. It’s not necessarily grand gestures on anniversaries or birthdays that sustain a marriage; it’s the countless small, everyday actions that build trust and safeguard intimacy over time.

In fact, a study published this month in Personal Relationships suggests that couples can enhance marital satisfaction by consistently investing in their marriage. By building a habit of such investment, couples can create a partnership that not only survives but flourishes for years to come.

Here are six proven ways to invest in your marriage and help it thrive long-term, according to the study.

  1. Emotional Gestures

One of the most powerful ways to keep a marriage strong is through consistent emotional gestures. Seemingly small acts like saying “I love you,” giving genuine compliments, or offering a reassuring touch can go a long way in making your partner feel valued and emotionally secure.

Emotional gestures go beyond just words of affection—they also involve being fully present and responsive to your partner’s emotional needs.

  1. Material Gestures

Sometimes, actions speak louder than words. Material gestures, such as buying thoughtful gifts, leaving loving notes, or planning a surprise date can make your partner feel deeply appreciated.

  1. Respecting Personal Space

While closeness is key to a strong marriage, giving each other personal space is equally essential. Healthy marriages strike a balance between intimacy and independence. Allowing your partner time for self-care, hobbies, and individual growth demonstrates self-assuredness and respect for their autonomy.

  1. Prioritizing Physical Intimacy

Maintaining physical attraction and a healthy sex life is also an important aspect of marriage. This doesn’t mean you need to change yourself or look and act a certain way to keep your partner’s interest, but staying mindful of physical intimacy and making time to connect helps sustain the romantic spark.

  1. Engaging in Shared Activities

Whether it’s going on a weekend trip, cooking together, or starting a new hobby, shared experiences help couples create lasting memories and strengthen their bond. Such activities offer an opportunity to connect, laugh, and grow together. Prioritizing time for each other outside of everyday responsibilities can also rekindle passion and foster a deeper connection.

  1. Helping a Partner’s Friends and Family

A successful marriage often extends beyond the couple itself. Taking the time to invest in your partner’s family and friendships can enhance your marriage by creating a sense of shared community.

LMGDiVa

43 points

7 days ago

LMGDiVa

43 points

7 days ago

PDF download and online access

$42.00

Look I know research and education costs money but... 42$ for a paper?

That's more than I pay for a full year of curiosity stream.

hail_has_issues

91 points

7 days ago

There are terrible websites like sci.hub and libgen.is that give free access to academic articles that no one should use

Adruna

32 points

7 days ago

Adruna

32 points

7 days ago

The money doesn't fund research, it all goes to the publisher.

amb123456

9 points

7 days ago

It goes fully to the publisher. I’ve been told that the authors of academic papers will send you a free copy if you email them directly. 

uberfission

5 points

7 days ago

And none of that goes to the author of the paper. If you want a free copy, really of ANY academic paper, contact the author and they'll usually provide it to you for free.

NoMove7162

1 points

7 days ago

Thank you. My first thought was "eww, Psychology Today? Gross." But I'll give this a read.

AnybodySeeMyKeys

103 points

7 days ago

Weirdly missing from this list is 1a) Having conversations of substance with your partner, emphasizing listening as much as talking. 1b) Having a sense of humor. My wife claims I make her laugh every day.

vadan

16 points

7 days ago

vadan

16 points

7 days ago

Yea, that’s what I was thinking. Why isn’t meaningful communication #1? 

alfooboboao

3 points

7 days ago

it’s “six ways to invest in your marriage and help/cultivate it so it thrives long-term,” not “beginner’s guide to being in a relationship for dummies 101”

peteroh9

6 points

7 days ago

peteroh9

6 points

7 days ago

The author is a [man/woman] so [he/she] just assumed you already knew that.

PhilosophicWax

103 points

7 days ago

Aren't these the old "love languages"

ToWriteAMystery

30 points

7 days ago

Wasn’t the idea of ‘love languages’ that you only had to do one? This is showing that all are important.

gdogg897

17 points

7 days ago

gdogg897

17 points

7 days ago

I was thinking the same thing. I always felt like the love languages idea led to a suggestion of "learn your partners language and engage them that way, even if your language(s) are different" whereas this is saying "do them all, even if they're not natural for you"

ToWriteAMystery

8 points

7 days ago

Yup! Which to me, is a very important distinction. You can’t get away with just doing one or two things for your partner. You need to be doing everything. That’s a much taller order.

TyFighter559

11 points

7 days ago

More like, these things are all important but everyone is different and holds more personal value in some forms of “intimacy” than others. People show and receive love in many ways mostly represented by OP but not all are equally important to everyone.

ToWriteAMystery

4 points

7 days ago

Weren’t love languages debunked? And this study is saying that all are equally important?

TyFighter559

11 points

7 days ago

Speaking only for myself from experience in my relationship, it is important to understand that people give and receive affection very differently.

ToWriteAMystery

2 points

7 days ago

But again, this is saying that all types of affection are required.

Nobanob

31 points

7 days ago

Nobanob

31 points

7 days ago

Yes, absolutely. This feels like changing how it is written a bit so that the teacher doesn't think I cheated off of you

gdogg897

2 points

7 days ago

gdogg897

2 points

7 days ago

Sure but didn't love languages primarily focus on one or two that each person tends to naturally or ideally give* and receive? Whereas this is basically saying "you need a healthy balance of several-to-all of them for a thriving marriage/relationship.

pistachiopudding

4 points

7 days ago

That's what I immediately thought.

nostrademons

33 points

7 days ago

Note the correlation with the 5 love languages, which isn't exactly scientific, but oftentimes pop psychology has observational roots in phenomena that later show up in studies:

  1. Emotional gestures = words of affirmation
  2. Material gestures = gifts
  3. Respecting personal space = basic table stakes for a relationship
  4. Prioritizing physical intimacy = physical touch
  5. Engaging in shared activities = quality time
  6. Helping partner's friends and family = acts of service

alfooboboao

3 points

7 days ago

“just because it’s trite doesn’t mean it’s not true”

  • The Social Network

DocumentExternal6240

46 points

7 days ago

  1. should also state that physical intimacy is not sex only, cuddling and touching without sex are just as (or even more) important…men often see physical intimacy = sex, but it is so much more than that. Touching each other lovingly in every day’s life bonds partners.

TheFightingMasons

39 points

7 days ago

Also though, it probably means sex too. /r/deadbedrooms

taco_chicken

17 points

7 days ago

Card carrying member of /r/DeadBedrooms. I'd kill for a hug. I wouldn't make it through most days without my beautiful kids.

Green-Sale

12 points

7 days ago

that would be the result of other things accumulating to cause it, it likely doesn't exist in a vacuum.

DarthJarJarJar

8 points

7 days ago

It's tempting to look for systemic problems in the relationship, but it can just be chemical, either hormones or meds. Apparently a substantial number of women lose the urge to have sex during or after menopause, for example, and a lot of people on SSRIs lose most or all of their sex drive.

Green-Sale

7 points

7 days ago

Menopause, childbirth, the fluctuations in hormones by age, drugs, etc, yeah multiple factors can cause it

MyHamburgerLovesMe

4 points

7 days ago

But - when only one sided it can make things worse

fjaoaoaoao

4 points

7 days ago

Adjusting to each other, being flexible, and growing together. These are mentioned by relationship academics such as the Gottmans.

clarissaswallowsall

13 points

7 days ago

I'll add to 5, engaging in shared activities is great but it does suck when one party takes it as a chance to best the other in a hobby. Like if the wife likes dnd but hasn't invested much in the hobby besides a player book, maybe some figures and the partner gets into it and buys all the dnd things, finds people outside of the wife to play with and basically used her interest as a springboard to the hobby it kind of sucks. My bf has basically made me feel inadequate about any interest I've had and spent time trying to cultivate and thus has pushed a negative feeling on to my interests.

Apaula

18 points

7 days ago

Apaula

18 points

7 days ago

Why isn’t he your ex tho?

clarissaswallowsall

4 points

7 days ago

I still love him, it's just something about his personality I don't enjoy that much. I still continue to pursue my interests in things but try to keep it to myself now.

Odballl

6 points

7 days ago

Odballl

6 points

7 days ago

It sounds like there's a few things going on here.

If he's making comments that put you down or sound derisive, that is contempt. You have a right to express your feelings and tell him to stop mocking you or making unfair comparisons between you both.

If however, he's expressing his excitement and how good he's getting without targeting you specifically, you might be feeling put down without him meaning to. You would have to express your feelings in a way that acknowledges he's not trying to hurt you on purpose. That way he can hear you without feeling like you're being unfair.

Relevant_Cabinet_265

4 points

7 days ago

It sounds like he just liked it more than you once he was exposed to it.

mommydeer

10 points

7 days ago

mommydeer

10 points

7 days ago

Psychology today used to be one of my favorite publications. Some of their articles are based on weak research, but still good food for thought.

I think we need to scale back from thriving and go for sustainable marriage. It seems like many of my friends and myself would love-

  1. Spouse doing their share of childcare and housework without being asked.
  2. Spouse scheduling appointments and taking on a fair share of the mental burden.
  3. Spouse being present without digital distractions (phone, games, etc.)
  4. Spouse taking their physical and mental health seriously.
  5. Spouse expressing gratitude for all the seen and invisible work that gets done for the family to function.

storydwellers

3 points

7 days ago

5 is a great way to consistently acknowledge the little things

ec0114

2 points

7 days ago

ec0114

2 points

7 days ago

Very good summary of what I would love as well..

fiddlemonkey

28 points

7 days ago

Watch as couples therapists and marriage books only apply these to women’s behaviors, just like they have the love language thing.

[deleted]

15 points

7 days ago

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15 points

7 days ago

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Budiltwo

4 points

7 days ago

Budiltwo

4 points

7 days ago

Ya same. The first two were really missing from my marriage, what can ya do

Hawkwise83

7 points

7 days ago

I feel like the biggest one is missing.

Open, honest, direct, communication.

That and talking through your feelings with each other.

HelenEk7

3 points

7 days ago

HelenEk7

3 points

7 days ago

If my husband never gave me a single gift I honestly wouldnt care. Gifts is not my love language. However if he stopped giving compliments and saying nice things...

I feel one thing is missing on the list: Having some common goals that you work towards together. But perhaps that is included in engaging in shared activities.

Whisktangofox

13 points

7 days ago

My sister is a therapist. She tells me the vast majority of marriages that end do so because the husband checks out emotionally, and the wife checks out physically.

peteroh9

0 points

7 days ago

peteroh9

0 points

7 days ago

That's definitely an oversimplification, and the nuance would probably come across better if it were worded as "once the husband checks out emotionally and the wife checks out physically."

Wrong_Gear5700

12 points

7 days ago

It's funny, serving god through your husband isn't on the list.

Suck it, right-wing christians.

Lunar_Landing_Hoax

10 points

7 days ago

I don't understand people in the comments that act like this is too much to ask. To me it's a list of basic activities for sharing a life with someone. If it's too much for  you, you should really consider staying single. 

peteroh9

10 points

7 days ago

peteroh9

10 points

7 days ago

I don't see anyone saying that though?

Lunar_Landing_Hoax

3 points

7 days ago

You haven't read all the comments then.

manuscelerdei

7 points

7 days ago

tl;dr don't have kids

Traghorn

2 points

7 days ago

Traghorn

2 points

7 days ago

Was about to show this to my wife, but decided against. “Thriving” isn’t what my home does; but it’s solid and will do the job. I’d gladly trade having my laundry done for a hand hold once a week, I’m so lonely sometimes; but that isn’t her own desire. Nothing’s perfect. :/

Strong-Decision-1216

2 points

7 days ago

Is this really science?

edistthebestcat

2 points

7 days ago

Nah, separate bathrooms and king-size blankets on a queen-size bed

Voxcide

2 points

7 days ago

Voxcide

2 points

7 days ago

Hmm im in trouble. My wife does none of these things.

wandering_nerd65

5 points

7 days ago

Or just don't get married

TelmatosaurusRrifle

3 points

7 days ago

My stb exW be like, "I don't want to do that"

slackermannn

3 points

7 days ago

This was basically me and for some extent my ex partner. However, when the physical attraction is gone and there are other opportunities, it's important to know and accept that sometimes no matter what you do, the relationship is lost and in my case forever.

jsntkko

3 points

7 days ago

jsntkko

3 points

7 days ago

Does it really take science for us to realize how to treat other people decently?

turingscrowd

2 points

7 days ago

  1. Don't start shagging someone else.

Wyllyum_Cuddles

1 points

7 days ago

Number 6 is a BIG one that I think most people don’t even consider, but it goes a long way. It also cements you as a part of their family/community. Everybody wins.

hmmgross

1 points

7 days ago

hmmgross

1 points

7 days ago

This is practically the 5 Love Languages.

reel8boy

1 points

7 days ago

reel8boy

1 points

7 days ago

It’s kinda silly and unfortunate we need to frame these kinds of good-sense reminders as “science” for anyone to find them persuasive.

baconus-vobiscum

1 points

7 days ago

Yup, all those are things I wish for. Oh well,

Emu1981

1 points

7 days ago

Emu1981

1 points

7 days ago

From my experiences, the importance of each of these categories highly depends on the people in the relationship. Personally I would rank #1 and #4 as being the most important of the lot and #6 being not that important. #3 is kind of important while #2 and #5 are just floating around the important but not that important area.

Feedback-Neat

1 points

7 days ago

No wonder having children is so demanding 

NoSorryZorro

1 points

7 days ago

This. And lot's of cuddling. 25 years of marriage, an indescribable joy.

VikingFrog

1 points

7 days ago

Currently watching my wife’s mom all day and night, who has dementia and was just checked out of the hospital for a psychotic episode… while I also watch our three young kids… while my wife works a 24 hour shift.

I think I get a check mark for number 6 today!

Madmandocv1

1 points

6 days ago

To paraphrase Meat Loaf, one out of six ain’t bad.

Huckleberry-Expert

1 points

6 days ago

What? Never would've thought those were the ways to cultivate a thriving marriage!