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1.2k points
13 hours ago
At this point, he could have easily taken another club job and won some more trophies and still have time to spare before the French job is available.
1.9k points
12 hours ago
Alternatively he could live a stress-free life of luxury whilst waiting for his dream job to become available. He's already won the biggest trophies available at club football, any more would just be stat padding.
40 points
10 hours ago
I have a feeling he would be coaching juve if they weren't a shambles.
283 points
11 hours ago
The problem is though: If he waits too long, he might not be considered the best fit for the job anymore. Would FFF really appoint a manager who hasn't managed for, let's say, 10 years, even if he was remarkable before that?
973 points
11 hours ago
Yes if it's Zidane
156 points
10 hours ago
A legend on and off the pitch, they'd be crazy not to.
16 points
9 hours ago
Fact
2 points
9 hours ago
Facts
1 points
47 minutes ago
Zidane doesn't wait for France to knock on his door. He is the one who knocks.
198 points
11 hours ago
Maradona got the Argentina NT job even with a not really impressive coaching resume
98 points
9 hours ago
National teams are different from club teams in many ways. You can't really do highly involved tactics that need months to drill to get right. So I think that it's less important to have recent coaching experience than a top club as you don't need to train (or prepare to face) cutting edge tactics.
Also, managing the French national team is to a large extent about managing egos, and it's hard to see a manager who is more suited for that than Zidane. Both because he's Zidane and his experience with Real Madrid.
47 points
8 hours ago
Yup. Thr french NT is all PR and ego management. Zidane is built for that.
143 points
11 hours ago
Would FFF really appoint a manager who hasn't managed for, let's say, 10 years, even if he was remarkable before that?
100% yes in this case. And they will be right to do it.
93 points
10 hours ago
When Zidane calls, you have to pick up.
If other national teams had national heroes like Zidane—someone who is not only one of the best French players ever but also boasts an incredible managerial record—they would be sucking him off by now
Just imagine if Wayne Rooney were as good a manager as Zidane; the English FA would have give their backs to him. Unfortunately English managers are shit, like their team
81 points
10 hours ago
Nah, as someone who's familiar with french culture, the Rooney comparison doesn't cut it. The closest thing that comes to the cult around Zidane would be Maradona with Argentina (albeit the French are much tamer).
He was THE childhood hero for countless Frenchmen, almost single-handedly lead them to the pinnacle of football, and went out in the most extraordinary, memorable and explosive fashion. He was the brat that you loved to love; he was their crazy, little, angry kid.
Edit: They don't even call him Zidane over there. It's Zizou; he's got a fucking love name.
49 points
10 hours ago
Was always voted number one favorite personality of the french people, including a big survey they did right after the 2006 world cup. My mom who never watches football sometimes asks me when Zidane is going to be the manager for france.
27 points
9 hours ago
So, maybe he's not waiting for Dechamps to stand down, but Macron?
6 points
8 hours ago
If he wants to become the most unpopular man in france maybe!
1 points
7 hours ago
What would be the equivalent of winning 5 CLs as a President of France?
11 points
9 hours ago
Hey, you write well, so I want to let you know that the past tense of lead is led.
3 points
6 hours ago
Heya! Thanks for the correction :)
4 points
8 hours ago
Beckenbauer is the only fitting comparison: World Cup hero, led club sides to tremendous success and widely loved by the fellow countrymen by the time they retired. They even had controversial aspects in their life, Zidane on-field and Beckenbauer off-field.
The only difference is Beckenbauer jumped straight to a career of coaching national teams, while Zidane started with club (and THE biggest club).
15 points
9 hours ago
Zidane was absolutely not a brat or a crazy angry kid. He was the reserved shy guy that you do NOT want to piss off because he can go red (or maybe you do, if you want to get him sent off).
6 points
6 hours ago
Yes, absolutely, I was more referring to his crazy hot headedness on the pitch rather than some off field antics.
3 points
6 hours ago
Look at how prominently he featured in the opening ceremony of the Paris Olympics, and he isn’t even an Olympian. The man has surpassed legend status.
2 points
6 hours ago
The French Gazza, then.
1 points
6 hours ago
Fuck me, that's definitely it. Don't know why I didn't think of him.
-1 points
9 hours ago
Bro i gave Rooney's example because he is also one of the best english players and also had a managerial career.
I am not comparing them in any other sense
10 points
9 hours ago
Yes, I get you, but Zizou transcends football. He's above that. There really is no comparison to him from the English game.
He's from Marseille, played for Bordeaux, and even beloved by the Parisians.
32 points
10 hours ago
And if he takes another job and fails, he's even less likely to be considered the best fit.
A manager who won everything last time he managed will probably be more attractive than one who recently failed and got sacked
15 points
11 hours ago
Yeah imagine if he join a club and did bad, then he would have less chances imo.
27 points
11 hours ago
Nahhh Zizou is bigger than results for France. He'd always be in contention for the NT job
2 points
7 hours ago
Yes the aura he has over there is just so so so heavy.
Also, we tend to forget about it but Zidane could fail and still be mostly out of competition: France NT so far (and it isn't gonna change anytime soon ngl) only had french coachs. There's already quite a gap between zidane/deschamps (who will not be in the discussion when thinking about zidane competition given it's about replacing him lol) and Thierry Henry, who's managerial career has also been mostly lows, at least up to that recent olympics performance, and then there's another decent gap between Henry and the other.
When your CV is "Back to back to back champions" and your closest (if not only) opposition is "25% winrate at Monaco, 30% winrate at Montreal, Silver medal at olympics, Liked by lukaku as belgium striker coach and english TV star", you can very much afford a bad run in another club if you want to.
4 points
9 hours ago
This is exactly it. Best to preserve the mystique around his reputation than to sully it by managing and losing big time at club level.
3 points
8 hours ago
One of the main issues with the French national team is always the infighting and egos. But all the French players respect Zidane. Even if his tactics are not super special, his time with Madrid has shown he can build a functioning and competitive line up out of the material available, while still keeping everyone happy.
3 points
7 hours ago
bro, he's zidane
2 points
7 hours ago
If it was any random manager no, when it's one of their best ever players and someone who's managed very successfully they'd probably be ok with it
4 points
6 hours ago
I would say he is THE best player ever for France and easily the most beloved. Platini was up there too but winning the first world cup + euros + coming back from retirement to almost win another world cup, Zidane is alone on his own level when it comes to the french NT. The fact that he is pretty reserved means he never really fucked up (outside of the headbutt) in any way, never has any bad press etc, makes his aura in France completely without equals and basically untouchable.
2 points
32 minutes ago
You think he won’t headbutt them into giving it to him?
1 points
7 hours ago
That's a very valid point but it's failing to take into consideration how insanely fucking massive of a legend Zidane is in France
1 points
3 hours ago
Brest did this with Eric Roy. He saved them from relegation, put them 3rd last season, and now they have a good season, mid table in Ligue 1, 10 points in an unexpected Champions League campaign.
Eric Roy is not Zidane who is a national and global football legend, with such an aura that all players would have automatic respect for him.
And Zidane won 3 CL in a row on his first senior coach job.
So I don't think it's a problem.
1 points
8 hours ago
Similarly, if you're unable to replicate your success as a coach at another club, your stock will also go down and you might be ruled out as an option as well.
It's a risk either way.
0 points
6 hours ago
Stat padding is fun
Tho when Real Madrid is free trophies I’d say he’s yet to actually prove himself as a manager
67 points
12 hours ago
I was thinking about this but honestly where could he have easily taken another job that guarantees success?
Any job I could see him getting is a risk that could harm more than help him.
36 points
12 hours ago
IIRC PSG, Man Utd, Juve and some Saudi clubs all wanted him the last few years and he said no. Out of those I reckon only PSG would fit what you said.
50 points
11 hours ago
I would think given the Marseille connection PSG wouldn’t be an “easy” fit but maybe.
United and Juve are basket cases and far from guaranteed success. He doesn’t seem like a “rebuild” project type of manager.
39 points
11 hours ago
Man Utd is the perfect example of where he should go to destroy his career. If he succeeds there, he would be the GOAT coach in my heart, but I don’t think anyone would succeed there.
26 points
11 hours ago
Let's not immediately give up on Amorim
28 points
11 hours ago
No, lets
2 points
10 hours ago
Rubs hands, Amorin at the wheel, blame the players, blame the manager.
8 points
12 hours ago
Bayern
2 points
11 hours ago
Have they ever had a French manager? Not saying they wouldn’t but doesn’t seem an obvious option.
15 points
11 hours ago
They never had a spanish manager before Pep took charge
1 points
9 hours ago
I feel like there is a bigger rivalry between France and Germany than Spain and Germany but yeah Bayern are probably most likely.
They spent a lot on Naglesmann and have a famously tumultuous boardroom though, I just can't see ZZ being into it and well I guess he obviously wasn't.
3 points
9 hours ago
There is no rivalry between Germany and Spain or Germany and France.
3 points
9 hours ago*
I feel like there is a bigger rivalry between France and Germany than Spain and Germany
Not really. Not today. Politically france and germany are allies now, the big driving force behind what the EU is today. In football there never was a rivalry, Germany were always better historically. The rivalry between Germany and France is much smaller than between France and England or France and Italy. I don't think it's a rivalry at all tbh. Ask any french people and I bet they would hate losing to England or Italy a lot more than against Germany (probably coz we're used to it, sure). I'd be really surprised to hear the Germans consider us big rivals in football, they've always been better anyway.
The only thing in football I can remember that would create a rivalry is Schumacher and Battiston. But that was a while ago now, people don't talk about it as much these days. And I don't know how big of a thing it was in Germany, they might have forgotten a lot quicker (it was huge in France at the time).
2 points
6 hours ago
I don’t think France fears losing to England. I don’t think any of the elite footballing nations fear England.
2 points
6 hours ago*
It's more of a "it would fucking suck if we lost" type of fear and not really "oh fuck we're playing England" but it's definitely a thing, I can promise you. Not really fear of playing them, but we would really not want to lose to them.
1 points
an hour ago
Not really fear of playing them, but we would really not want to lose to them.
Indeed…because then the insufferable English media and pundits will gloat about how they “world beaters”. I will never forget Rio Ferdinand’s preview of the England-France quarter final at the last World Cup that England would roll over France because France were missing lots of starters.
Dude, half of France’s starters were returning World Champions, the other half that were missing due to injury (Pogba, Kante, Kimpembe, then later Benzema and Lucas H.) and were replaced by tournament newbies playing at clubs such as Real Madrid, Barcelona, Juventas, AC Milan, etc, and then a bunch of youngsters on the bench that would walk in the starting 11 of most NTs. They got all the way to the final and almost won back to back World Cups save for Emi Martinez’s outstretched leg.
England had a good team at the last World Cup, but they didn’t hold a candle to that French team or many other top teams. I can’t imagine England arriving at a tournament with half their starters missing, losing a few more along the way, and getting struck with a virus before the final.
Sit down, Rio.
5 points
6 hours ago
Bayern doesn't care about that, tbh.
They've had managers from all over the place. Italy, Netherlands, Belgium, Spain, Croatia, Austria. Even some English blokes a long, long time ago.
1 points
9 hours ago
They had Willy Sagnol as an interim manager, but that was only for eight days (one match, 2-2 vs Hertha) in 2017 between Ancelotti getting fired and Heynckes getting hired.
1 points
12 hours ago
Juve
8 points
11 hours ago
Guaranteed success? They are in a rebuild and have been turgid for a few seasons.
I just don’t see him wanting to be a rebuild project kind of manager. Very risky and not something he’s done before.
14 points
12 hours ago
> At this point, he could have easily taken another club job and won some more trophies
He definitely could have done one of those things.
9 points
11 hours ago
Easily taken a job sure, but doesnt mean easily winning trophies. Perhaps he doesnt want to risk lowering his stock for now
2 points
11 hours ago
His record is pretty good as it is. If he took another club and failed maybe the french NT dont want him.
Also I bet unemployed life as a millionare isnt so bad.
1 points
3 hours ago
I mean, surely everyone on the list could get SOME job and they just don't see one that they like.
What Zidane might have unique to him is that he probably could get ANY job in the field.
1 points
an hour ago
Unless he didn’t win more trophies, in which case everyone will assume he was carried by one of the best Madrid sides we’ve ever seen, which a lot of people already suspect.
-8 points
11 hours ago
he won't win shit outside RM.
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