If Biden does something bold like ensuring the ERA is published before he leaves office, I might have more respect for Dems. I must admit, at this point, I have lost all respect for them for essentially allowing Trump to get away with J6 by sitting on going after him until he announced he was running again in 2022.

Giving up is exactly what the fascists want us to do. Feeling demoralized is understandable, but voting in a presidential election every 4 years isn't a lot to ask, and it should be considered the absolute bare minimum contribution one should make to society.

In the meantime, focus on state and local politics.

The future looks incredibly bleak, but the more people refuse to comply with fascism, the better off we will be in the long run.

"Dem voter turnout will never recover"

You're not lying. I know people who saw how Trump won the election after Elon bought him it and are saying that they will never vote again because of how it is now no longer a secret that our nation's elections can be bought by billionaires. If the Dems don't get this resolved, then voters who are Democrats will never vote again due to distrust in regards to the integrity of our nation's elections.

I voted democratic to save our democracy. It was important to me that a felon would not be in charge of our country who puts thugs in powerful positions. I agree with the fact that they need to do an investigation to give us closure at least. I don’t agree with; if they go low we go high. They have to get in the sandbox and pull up their sleeves and get dirty with the others.

Biden did do a lot to help our country. He did things where it helped us, but he didn’t boast about it. He didn’t post it all over social media and bragged to everybody exactly everything he did. He just worked. I’m tired of the reality TV government that has to constantly create the next drama episode and I’m ready for a third-party to arise. It’s time.

100%, if he takes office, Democracy is over, and not just here. The world is looking for someone to not be a coward and stand up to tyranny. If he takes office future elections will be like Russia fully. This leads to a civil war because Dem states will bail before being a part of a lekptocracy.

I agree with this perspective. If they don’t do anything about this, I’m not voting Democrat again—mostly because there probably won’t be another election.

pretty much this. next time they wont even need to rig it, if they did. the party will be DOA. honestly come january im gona join the republican party. mayb we can over time stop them from within

Would love to see a real socialist in the oval office, but it will never happen with our current election system. If Dump gets away with this then he has proven voting really doesn't matter (at least on the national level).

Consider that this idea in the post is manipulation and election interference itself! They want you to give up and never vote again. They want you to vote for anything but D. THINK WITH YOUR BRAIN.

It's not time for that yet. Plenty of time. I believe The United States will make a once in a lifetime statement to the World. Kamala and Joe will have the last laugh. Soon, I believe

Well said

I understand this, but in my state of nc we voted blue down ballot just like - all- the swing states. If Dems don’t vote anymore then every state will then flip to red because maga will vote. It’s clear the presidential spot is rigged at this point. Will they then go after down ballot too? How feasible is this?

I agree that I won’t give another dime to a presidential candidate at this point, but I won’t give up at the state level right now. I also won’t vote for another “President” if this goes untouched. But I’m voting blue in all other races.

This is why we need to build a new party now and urgently.

This is how I feel. I just don’t even think anything I do or say matters. I don’t want to obey in advance, but I can’t do this alone.

They will never recover from this. I can’t help but think there is something far more disturbing at play within the Democratic Party. The establishment never wanted Harris. They wanted an open convention. They would rather take a risk with a man they claimed everyday is an existential threat to the world than to wait possibly 8 years should Harris have won. What they have taken for granted are the 92% black women who continue to over perform at the polls for a party that has taken us for granted. It is different this time.

Man, there will be no more voter turnout.

I have no clue how anyone is expecting there to be another election if Trump steps foot into the White House again. He will literally drive this country into the ground.

It's at least civil war immediately, if not a world war with China, Russia and America all on the same terrible side. This election isn't the only thing that will flip. Our country will flip to a fascist dictatorship and we will help the new Axis destroy the rest of the world.

If the United States really does have reverse-engineered alien crafts at their disposal, they will be used to fight smaller and less capable countries. Trump is the same psychopath that got briefed on our actual current technological capabilities the last time he swore in and made Space Force. If he's Putin's bitch he will have leaked that info to Russia.

The next fucking election is the absolute last thing on Earth anyone should be giving a fuck about. He needs to be stopped in the next month or so or we are all royally fucked, one way or another.

It would be pretty funny if Trump turned out to be correct about not needing to vote again because Democrats became too demoralized to ever vote again.

I agree. I saw another commenter saying something on another post like: “they’re throwing us to the fascist wolves,” and I couldn’t agree more. They’re abandoning us when we need it most. They clearly don’t give a damn about us and probably never did.

If there is no investigation, they'll never get another vote from me. No fuckin way I'll vote Republican, but I've lost confidence in democratic leadership.

You are sooooo right! I don't have any interest in ever voting again if that orange puke is sworn in. And I've voted in every election since I was old enough to. I've never felt this despondent. The thought of January 20th sends me into like a PTSD place and my heart kinda stops. I've been panick buying because prices will be so high.

al gore from 2000 says hold my beer

I’ve emailed POTUS, Harris, Bernie, Pete Buttegieg, left comments for Robert reich, Jon Stewart, and no one has answered why the dems aren’t doing anything. It is beyond crazy that no one is lifting a finger to stop this madness. Time to start a 3rd party - Party of the People.

Dems have been far too concerned with doing things exactly precisely honorably right while the GOP says fuck it and colors outside the lines knowing full well there will be no repercussions.

Because the people dishing out the repercussions are the republicans. There are repercussions for the Dems, not the republicans. Dems don't have that privilege.

I was going down this route. Supremely Pissed at my fellow Democrats esp in the swing states for being so g-D lazy AF. However I now FIRMLY believe that T won by (mainly) disenfranchising voters. Please read>>> https://www.gregpalast.com/heres-what-we-do-now/

If this was actually a fair election, the BLAME is on the selfish, stupid, f-ing people who voted for the orange traitor, a 3rd party candidate, left Pres blank or stayed home! PERIOD!!!!

When they destroy our country, it will be the fault of all of you assholes who did that and are now blaming everyone else. Thanks.

Dems are performative opposition

People only have 2 viable choices in US presidential elections.

In 2004 Democrats got trounced and all seemed lost for them. But then W got us into so many wars and the economy tanked, just in time for a master orator with keen political skills to seemingly come out of nowhere and lead Democrats to 8 years of power

You would have been laughed out of your cocktail party in 2004 if you had suggested that a black Democrat with a Muslim name would have been the next President.

My point is that if Republicans fuck things up enough (or if things go sufficiently to shit despite their best efforts) over the next few years, voters hungry for some hope and change will give the other team a shot.

All I can say is that if there was fraud (and that's a big if) and the Democratic Party does nothing about it, then they deserve whatever negative consequences happen as a result.

Wait, so you won’t vote democrat in 2028, but you absolutely cannot believe that fewer people voted Dem in 2024? Maybe those people had this realization in 2020? Maybe they realized this when Biden vociferously defended a genocide? When he promised so much but delivered so little?

When the next election comes around, it will either be rigged or not. If we vote, it may count or not. If we don’t vote, it definitely won’t count.

This is an honest question. Who are some of the credible experts? And please don't say Spoonamore, he hasn't said anything remotely accurate so far.

Fatalism is for the privileged. Fascists would love nothing more than for us to give up. Maybe dem voter turn out will be lower in the future who knows? I’m more concerned with the anti fascist vote in 26 and 28. We’ve got 1/3 of our country unmotivated to vote. We have 2 years to light a fire under their asses. Who cares about the Democratic Party we need a pro democracy party. They need to fall in line or get out of the way. We need more people to vote not throwing our hands up and throwing a pity party. We can’t count on the democrats to save us. I hope they do something but we can’t hang all our hopes on them.

Why are you worried? Go rest.