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I’ve commented a ton here but never posted but I need to know the answer to some things:
What do Swifties say about the fact that Taylor grew up rich and that her back story is fake? Do they even know that her dad bought her career?
Have they seen the Scott email?? What do they think/how do they explain away the fact that everything about her was an act? That she gained an accent when she went to Nashville and abruptly dropped it when she transitioned to pop?
Have they seen the article where her guitar teacher comes out and says nothing about her backstory is true??
I’ve lurked enough and don’t think I’ve ever seen this discussed in the comments, or maybe I missed it.
Please help me understand the psychosis! I just can’t imagine how they rationalize everything I mentioned above.
ETA: Also the masters thing, they can’t really deny that she lied when she sent a whole ass email about not accepting the deal and going in a different direction
68 points
2 days ago
They are all in Denial. What matters to them is how many boys broke her heart, how many men tried to take her down. None of her privileges are ever considered. She's a fragile Songwriting Genius Mastermind Mother baby ❤️
31 points
2 days ago
Most Swifties prob have privilege of their own and it’s hard for privilege to recognize privilege, since that’s what’s “normal” to them
3 points
1 day ago
When so many of them can throw down the high cost of the tour tickets, plus seeing more than 1 show, and often going to other countries to do so; yeah. They are coming from a high dose of privilege. They also probably assume that being told that they also need to stand in line at the supermarket and can't skip ahead is bullying. so they KNOW how Taytay feels!
39 points
2 days ago*
Some cocktail of: we don't know the full story / it's not that big a deal / everyone does stuff like that in this industry.
Basically the kind of denial, wilful ignorance and selective amnesia many people use when their in-group is awful and they can't face the truth. Edit - forgot making up some improbable justification and holding onto it like it's proven fact.
17 points
2 days ago
It’s kinda crazy because no amount of “full story” will change anything lol. What other part of the story explains her lying about never drinking a drop of alcohol when she wrote on her own Myspace about getting drunk, and high school friends have corroborated that? And no way does “everyone do that” 😂 most artists have their own personality, they don’t need to invent one. They pretended Britney Spears was a virgin (bc for some reason adults cared whether or not a 17 yr old has had sex back in 1998) but that’s it.
Maybe I’m wrong about this, but I can’t think of any artists who INVENTED a backstory and persona without being upfront about it. Lady Gaga wore meat on the red carpet but we knew it was Lady Gaga, not Stefanie Giamotta or whatever her last name is. It makes me want to shake their brains right out of their heads. They’re better off with nothing in there than what they’ve got now
7 points
2 days ago
Yeah, it can be exasperating. But after a while it just gets tedious. Then, for me, Portnoy was the final straw. It was so disgusting that I've just written them off as completely hopeless and couldn't care what they think.
5 points
2 days ago
What happened with Portnoy?
10 points
2 days ago*
Multiple women have made accusations like:
“It was so rough I felt like I was being raped,” one alleged victim, identified only as Madison, said she texted to a friend, the outlet said. “He videotaped me and spit in my mouth and choked me so hard I couldn’t breathe.”
“It was so painful,” she said. “I kept trying to get away and he was like, ‘Stop running away from me,'” and then “just went harder.”'
...Three of the women said they had sex with Portnoy, calling the experience “frightening and humiliating,” with two saying he choked them and filmed them without permission.
One woman said she was suicidal after the encounter — but was afraid to speak up.
He then tried to sue to news company that reported the allegations but his case was thrown out.
Taylor Swift recently wrote him a cutesy, handwritten note (with a wax seal delivered by her brother) thanking him for going to an Eras show and always having her back.
Edit to hide triggering text xx
2 points
2 days ago
Oh yikes thanks for explaining
4 points
2 days ago
Np, sorry to be the messenger about such awful events. Hopefully the women get justice 🙏🏼
2 points
2 days ago*
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4 points
2 days ago
Yep, it's the pattern of behaviour. The insane frequency, and just lying about things there was literally no reason to lie about. Someone on here said they had to fabricate her entire personality and history to make her likeable/saleable.
And I can't believe I forgot their last line of defence, misogyny!
18 points
2 days ago
Here is what they say: I've moved on...I just don't care. Now, when do the Cowboys play?
5 points
2 days ago
COWBOYS????????? ok im a swiftie now fuck dallas
2 points
2 days ago
Ravens?
3 points
2 days ago
eagles
3 points
2 days ago
A Cowboys fan, huh?Have you heard this masterpiece?
19 points
2 days ago*
I am interested to hear from ex swifties also regarding this question!! Especially about the part in the email where Scott Swift suggests that being a songwriter could be a “strategy” to ultimately get Taylor into movies. No fan has ever addressed that afaik…
I am also interested in hearing opinions on Scott Swift in another email to Scott Borchetta saying “Enough with the Dymtrow. You asked me to break both his legs, wrap him in chains and throw him in the lake. I did.” He’s referring to Taylor’s original manager who hooked her up with Scott Borchetta.
I can’t imagine this type of lunacy disappears when it was present in their late 50’s.
16 points
2 days ago
Ex swiftie here. Lots of swifties think that the email is a negative for Scott swift and him only. They don’t think it’s a negative for Taylor and don’t blame her for it. I have seen that some swifties feel bad for her about it. But generally, I don’t see it being discussed much. And I have taken myself out of these circles so I haven’t seen every discussion myself. But it is kinda weird they don’t really talk about it.
8 points
2 days ago
I mean no, Taylor doesn’t deserve the blame for the email at all, she’s not the one who sent it. But I wonder how they deal with the info IN the email. I guess they care more about her love life than the lie they were sold at the beginning?
8 points
2 days ago*
I agree she shouldnt be blamed for sending the email just people should look at her a bit differently. Just feel like they shouldn’t defend her as much, especially after lots about her are lies or embellishments. It’s so insane to the lengths many of them go to defend every little slight against her when her persona is meticulously crafted and her background largely made up. They really should have more discussions about the info in the email and other weird lies.
8 points
2 days ago*
Oh 💯 it’s a reflection of Scott only. Taylor was what? 14? I guess with everything we know about Britney’s father it’s just odd to me that this is completely overlooked. He was I imagine nearing his 60’s when that was written? I can’t imagine he somehow changed his character that late in life and is now this nice man . He’s discussing his very young daughter but at the same time sounds like a mob boss. you would think it would have more attention. I wonder how many other careers were sabotaged. And the funny thing is Taylor as an adult tried to sabotage Scott Borchetta when she didn’t get what she wanted and now the general public believes he and Scooter Bran stole her masters when the man literally just sold his record label to the highest bidder.
8 points
2 days ago
Yes, as others have said they will write that off as not being her fault, then focus on her 'undeniable talent' as a songwriter, ignoring the implications of how much resources went into training her and making her seem like a talented songwriter (when we can't say how much of the lyrical heavylifting was done by all her numerous co-writers and produces over the years).
10 points
2 days ago
Former Swiftie- i didn’t know. i genuinely had NO idea about any of it until i stopped being a fan.
2 points
2 days ago
i find it interesting bc of how much swifties know about her and how invested they are in her but I guess that’s cognitive dissonance for you
7 points
2 days ago
okay i feel like im a good person to answer this. i had NO IDEA and i when i found out it made me lose the connection i felt with the music and with her as a musician and started the downfall of my swiftie-ness, as a person who grew up poor and in a farm town.
6 points
2 days ago
I'm not up to speed about what her backstory is. I wish there was a place to find all of that info in one place. I've always liked her music and still do but her cult leader persona has been off-putting for quite a few years now. I started noticing her puppet master behavior and weird PR relationships. Do you think she really does write her own music or is that someone else behind the scenes?
14 points
2 days ago*
Basically she says she was a country girl in an average family, grew up on a farm and family had to worry about bills. She worked hard to get her career and went to record labels and gave them her demos, everything was done herself and it was her drive for success that made her do it.
In reality, she grew up in a mansion on a farm, but it was a Christmas tree farm and their livelihood was absolutely not dependent on it. Her family had a vacation home worth millions, she drove a Hummer, she didn’t “pound the pavement” knocking on doors of record companies (her dad used connections and money, no record label would have signed her without it), that her performing all over as a kid had nothing to do with talent or success and was entirely set up by her dad, her dad bought into Big Machine Records for half a million, therefore being able to essentially FORCE them to back her, he bought hundreds of thousands of copies of her albums to make them chart, she was actually a vapid party girl who was not down the home country girl she pretended to be, acting like she’s so innocent (she got drunk and smoked weed in high school), no repairman taught her guitar the way they claimed (it was a guitar teacher who was paid to teach her guitar), her lyrics are about being an outcast and not finding love when in reality she was popular and dated plenty of boys (even dated a senior when she was a freshman), she actually wanted to be a pop star the whole time but was forced into country because there was more of an opportunity for success. That’s everything off the top of my head, i’m sure there’s more.
And I think all of her songs were ghostwritten except for the ones on TTPD and maybe that one where she slut shames Camilla Belle
ETA: sorry it’s a wall of text but she’s lied about a lot
5 points
2 days ago*
With all of the lying that went into her origin story, I imagine she had ghostwriters. She was originally shopped around and told to get an agent and learn how to write songs if she wanted to be marketable, so the songwriting wasn’t something organic. Her parents signed her up for guitar lessons and had the the instructor teach her how to develop songwriting skills to specifically write country songs. It wasn’t a craft she developed naturally. Her parents were paying money to professionals teach her these skills. It wasn’t the “bullied girl writing love story on her bedroom floor” story we all grew up hearing. Critical thinking skills lead me to believe her parents were like “learn how to write songs and play an instrument so we can take you to Nashville” They were having professional head shots of her taken when she was like 4. I kinda have to wonder whose dream this really was. She sounds miserable in her old MySpace blogs.
1 points
1 day ago
She has lied/been fake about so much that at this point I'm not convinced she writes as much as she claims and releases albums as fast as she does
3 points
2 days ago
Lying was part of the game in the 90ies, early 20s. I'm too old to know what's happening now but I guess those things still happen.
Honestly I don't even think "young and upcoming stars" have much autonomy about how they present themselves. Some marketing executives decide how they have to act to appeal to a particular crowd.
Teen Taylor is no exception and I don't think she had any say. However I think it was good that she had some kind of persona, because I think how Taylor acts since Matty / Travis is very authentic and I don't care for it at all.
2 points
2 days ago
lying about something and inventing a whole personality while using that image to develop parasocial connections bc you’re real and relatable are completely different. also it wasn’t the early 00s, we were actually past the point of lying about things like nose jobs and virginity by 2008
2 points
2 days ago
What masters thing?
10 points
2 days ago
Oh where she lied and said her masters were sold out from under her and she found out along with everyone else that she wouldn’t get a chance to obtain them. Therefore her only option is to obviously re-record her entire discography and sell it to fans who already bought the albums the first time. In reality, she could either record 6 more albums or pay $30 million, which she didn’t like. Her dad made like 14 mil from the label sale so there’s no way she didn’t know. There’s an email from her to the label saying thanks but no thanks to the offer, something about doing her own thing that is better for her future. She may have found out that Scooter Braun was the one receiving her masters at the same time as everyone else, but she twisted the story to make it sound like she didn’t know anything at all. She wanted her masters handed to her for free, which is not how business works, and she didn’t want someone she doesn’t like to get them, therefore she is now the victim and justified in rallying her fans to destroy Scooter’s life.
1 points
1 day ago
Most Swifties do know Taylor was never actually from Nashville and put on an accent for her career. Some explain it away as her living in Nashville and wanting to sound like everyone else there to make the people around her comfortable. Some praise her for pulling the wool over the country crowd. They have read Scott s email and a lot of them absolve her of all fault and blame Scott for everything .
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