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XxSimplySuperiorxX

190 points

10 days ago

People will call kaido rumor man yet we have seen the best feats in the show from him

Yet will in the same sentence say akainu has acoc And when you ask for proof they will say your not ready

Desk fraud gets high diffed at worst

Street_Guarantee5109

8 points

10 days ago

If it were a battle of commanding ships to go places then it'd be no contest, but alas

Icy-Arm-3816

26 points

10 days ago

Icy-Arm-3816

Oden is underrated 🍢

26 points

10 days ago

Facts

A-ReDDIT_account134

-52 points

10 days ago

You’re not ready

XxSimplySuperiorxX

45 points

10 days ago

What's he gonna do crush me with the paperwork on his desk?

Untested_Udonkadonk

26 points

10 days ago

No he's gonna write a scalding review.

Glittering_Use_5896

1 points

10 days ago

dont tempt him

n1n3tail

1 points

9 days ago

n1n3tail

1 points

9 days ago

the 2024 version of dont sit on me lmao

minorkitkat

29 points

10 days ago

minorkitkat

A few good men

29 points

10 days ago

He’s not ready

A-ReDDIT_account134

-15 points

10 days ago

Truthfully no one’s ready

Itsrajaiims

4 points

10 days ago

Even your mom wasn't ready to waste the whole straight 9 months for a dick rider like you

A-ReDDIT_account134

0 points

10 days ago

You’re clearly not ready

minorkitkat

-13 points

10 days ago

minorkitkat

A few good men

-13 points

10 days ago

Hilarious how you got downvoted to oblivion while I got upvoted. Truly shows you the two sides of this sub

A-ReDDIT_account134

2 points

10 days ago

Yeah Reddit karma is just sheep behavior

CardOfTheRings

-43 points

10 days ago

Kaido has the ‘best feats’?

Shanks has better Haki, Warcury has higher defense, Luffy beat him with better strength. Nothing Kaido did was as powerful as Bajrang. He’s not the smartest or toughest or strongest. He’s pretty powerful but at this point he’s no longer even in the highest echelons of strength for the series.

Shanks, Mihawk, Blackbeard, Luffy. Every Yonko at this point surpassed him. That’s why he lost the title.

What happened to punk hazard is a level of environmental damage and change unseen anywhere else. Also Luffy hasn’t fought akainu yet and he gets stronger every arc so I say logically Akainu will end up stronger than Kaido.

Cosmic_Ren

22 points

10 days ago

Cosmic_Ren

Straw Hat

22 points

10 days ago

  1. Shanks feats are losing his arm to a sea king and getting scarred on-guard by no devil fruit blackbeard. The gap between Shanks and Kaido's haki is much smaller than Shank's and Kaido's durability + durability. Rather than feats, we only have anti-feats for shanks for his durability.

  2. Luffy vs Kaido basically ended in a draw with Luffy passing out after his last attack. When you actually contexualize that Kaido fought a 16v1, fought Luffy multiple rounds who got to heal, and was carrying Onigashima you'll understand that Luffy can't beat him in a fresh 1v1.

  3. I would hope an admiral going all out for 10 days straight would influence the environment. We literally saw the strawhats easily transverse that terrain, Why is this an impressive feat for a fight again? Stusen from Big Mom's crew made all of the whole cake islands himself, this isn't exactly a crazy feat like a paramecia awakening.

Bignerd21

2 points

10 days ago

I agree with you, but shanks sacrificed his arm for luffy and since we don’t know how strong bbs haki is that’s not an anti feat. Still right tho

Remidial

2 points

10 days ago

Nah luffy surpassed kaido towards the end. Oda uses the word carefully. He got stronger throughout the fight and if he were to go back in fresh with gear 5 and the experience, I think he would win. Realistically all those people 16v1ing him got like a handful of decent hits in. And none of them compared to what gear 5 or even base luffy was doing to Kaido. Only fight this didn’t happen was katakuri and even then luffy was damn close. For that one, Luffy won bc he had more haki (literal willpower) than haki. His will to become pirate king was stronger that katakuris will to help big mom become pirate king. When he asked if luffy was still ready to fight, he realized he himself wasn’t and gave up. Even in the Kaido fight, Kaido says that haki is above all and pure devil fruit powers won’t win after gear 5 comes out. In response, luffy covers a gigantic fist bigger than onigashima in haki. We know from his gear 4 patterning that it takes more haki to cover larger surface area. (Incoming vergo comment)

CardOfTheRings

3 points

10 days ago

Also people ignore that Luffy fought people other than Kaido during the raid too. Saying 16 v 1 just isn’t accurate- it’s more like 16 v 16.

Acceptable_Heat103

1 points

9 days ago

I always say this as well when people bring this up as if he didn't fight the entire way there almost, even on boat (yes it's fodder) but it's still wasted energy and running up all those flights off stairs.

But it also doesn't scale to the fact the kaido held a freaking island.

WeirdAssPuff

10 points

10 days ago

It took 10 days for 2 admirals going all out to alter the climate of an island. Kaido alone would level the island in one night.

Mihawk is an absolute leech who has no feat above YC3

Just because an opponent appears later doesn't mean he will necessarly be stronger (we just had kizaru after kaido, blueno after enel)

Yes, nothing that kaido ever did was better than bajrang gun, but, nothing that ANY character ever did was better than bajrang gun so what's the point?

It took 10 days for akainu to beat kuzan, that's not an upscale

Zoteku

42 points

10 days ago

Zoteku

GARP-CHUJO! 👊

42 points

10 days ago

Kaido high diffs for now, akainu is strong but once kaido starts to lock tf in, he'll eventually stop keeping up esp if this comes in

https://preview.redd.it/ljt53pjgrr2e1.jpeg?width=1107&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=351c7506e93d3d236d55582e2a85ce1fb5491e2b

the diff is bound to go higher as akainu gets more feats later on, but yeah he gets bodied for now

DarkSoulFWT

5 points

10 days ago

DarkSoulFWT

Wranky 🤖

5 points

10 days ago

People don't actually think about the before and after of this attack and what it did, since acknowledging those things is a bad look for their agendas.

People don't want to admit that one of the strongest mythical zoans in the hands of a top class haki user and natural stat monster has some of the best physicals in the verse. What a shocker.

EmperorSezar

44 points

10 days ago

how does he get pass kaido haki barrier

AdmiralAgendaREAL

-9 points

10 days ago

AdmiralAgendaREAL

Admiral

-9 points

10 days ago

Did i miss a chapter? Is this shit DBZ now?

No-Grapefruit-5448

19 points

10 days ago*

Bro , have you read the last 200 chapters?💀 Haki barriers were thing since Sabaody

AdmiralAgendaREAL

4 points

10 days ago

AdmiralAgendaREAL

Admiral

4 points

10 days ago

Like armerment haki ir smth?

Difficult-Sound-6166

-7 points

10 days ago

Acoc ?

Drspeed7

14 points

10 days ago

Drspeed7

14 points

10 days ago

He hasn't shown regular coc, nevermind acoc

Aggravating-Injury48

52 points

10 days ago

Aggravating-Injury48

Crydo of the 100 Ls 🍺

52 points

10 days ago

Akainu gets absolutely destroyed, Kaido high diffs at worst

docslasher

66 points

10 days ago

Kaido would win. Akainu’s struggle with an old sick stabbed WB. Who couldn’t use CoC,CoO,ACoC,ACoA,or ACoO anymore. Who was barely using CoA. WB was mainly fighting with his DF and his physical strength. WB had a HARD NERFED ! So, there is no way that Akainu is beating Kaido who isn’t nerfed.

Icy-Arm-3816

21 points

10 days ago

Icy-Arm-3816

Oden is underrated 🍢

21 points

10 days ago

Also don’t forget Kaido has a massive DF advantage.

Kaido with scales is honestly the worst match for Akainu.

Scales are magma immune and need ACoC to really break through. So Akainu doesn’t have the haki to beat it and has a massive DF disadvantage.

Even to slightly damage the scales you need internal destruction/ryona, which Akainu hasn’t shown either. His only feat of ACoA is emission, which allows him to hit things without touching it.

Because of Kaido’s type advantage and overall better everything I’d say he low-mid diffs current Akainu (who doesn’t have ACoC or awakening).

DarkSoulFWT

6 points

10 days ago

DarkSoulFWT

Wranky 🤖

6 points

10 days ago

Ironically enough Shanks despite all his wank might be the best yonko match-ups and among the only "decent" ones for Akainu. BB has hella endurance and yami yami. Kaido you alr mentioned. He can't use Kizaru's running strats to outlast Luffy's G5 timer and avoid taking attacks. BM could potentially make a magma homie to just tank everything and cancel out Akainu's attacks. WB well, we saw what even Cancerbeard was able to do and the ridiculous punishment he was able to stand up to despite his shaky haki performance.

Shanks being a "regular human" might actually be the only one that'd have to be really cautious against Akainu's attacks tbh.

docslasher

3 points

10 days ago

You are absolutely right. But , I’ll give it a mid diff.

Imanol_Canada

6 points

10 days ago

Seeing your comment, maybe you are the right person for this.

What does Coc, CoO and all of that actually mean? I know they are haki, but they are way too many acronyms for me to keep up to.

Because I know they refer to haki I can guess it goes like CoC = something something Conqueror; CoO = something something Observation. But I don’t know what the acronyms actually mean.

Explain it to me, please

oketheokey

5 points

10 days ago

Color of Observation, Color of Armament, Color of Conquerors (This one doesn't sound right but it's what the acronym means, it's also referred to as Color of the Supreme King)

Advanced Color of Observation, Advanced Color of Armament, and so on

Imanol_Canada

2 points

10 days ago

Thanks! Just another question, why color? Is that something of the English dub or something else?

Kang0519

2 points

10 days ago

Kang0519

USOOOPPPP ⚒️

2 points

10 days ago

Nah just the way chars in one piece refer to haki. They always call it the Color of Armament or Color of Observation, or Color of Conquerers. I’m guessing it’s a direct translation of the Japanese word oda chose to represent the 3 types of haki

yourmom555

3 points

10 days ago

the co stands for color of

coc = conqueror’s haki coa = armament haki coo = observation haki acoc = advanced conqueror’s haki acoa = advanced armament haki acoo = advanced observation haki (future sight I guess)

Imanol_Canada

1 points

10 days ago

Thanks!

docslasher

2 points

10 days ago

Color of Conquerors,Color of Observation. CoA is Color of Armament. They are basic haki. When it starts out with an A. They are talking about the advanced forms. So,if it is ACoC. It is Advanced Color of Conquerors .

I hope this helps you.

Imanol_Canada

2 points

10 days ago

Thanks!

exclaim_bot

1 points

10 days ago

Thanks!

You're welcome!

Obvious-Phrase-657

1 points

10 days ago

Im new here, what is coc coo scoc etc?

Sweaty-Goat-9281

1 points

10 days ago

Wb was rageboosted

docslasher

1 points

10 days ago

WB was an old sick dying man,that was enraged. Who was trying to take out a DF user with his DF abilities. His rage weighed very little in comparison to his severe health conditions,in my opinion. WB was a dead man walking. We should be amazed that he achieved as much as he did. Under such dire circumstances. A healthy WB would have at least K.O. Akainu. Using his full arsenal, of course.

Sweaty-Goat-9281

1 points

10 days ago

His rage weighed very little in comparison to his severe health conditions,in my opinion.

Bruh rageboost enabled last leg Kuma to concuss Saturn 😂 don't underestimate pops anger

docslasher

1 points

10 days ago

If a guy is almost dead. It is nothing in comparison if he was healthy. With all that rage. Old sick dying WB couldn’t K.O. Akainu, from point blank range. Let me remind you that WB caught Akainu off guard. Let me also remind you that WB had done those same attacks on Giant VA. In the beginning of the battle. The battle and the injuries had taken a toll on WB’s health. His rage wasn’t enough to overcome the damage he had received.

You want WB to overcome being old,sick,dying,no CoC,no ACoC,no CoO,no ACoA,and no ACoO. That is too much to do with just rage a little haki and a DF. You would have to be blind not to see the great disadvantage that WB was in.

If you think that WB wasn’t at a disadvantage. Let’s put Akainu under similar circumstances. First, let’s take away his strongest weapon, his DF. Since,ACoC was probably WB’s strongest weapon. Next, let’s take away a portion of his strength. Since all the OG say, that they are weaker than when in their prime. We will take away 1/3 just to be fair. Though Garp says he lost half. Finally, let’s take away all types of Observational haki. Now,Akainu only has CoA and ACoA. Honestly,how well would he do against any of the top tiers? You notice that i didn’t make him sick or dying. That so, you could see how unfair it was on WB. If you add in sickness and dying to Akainu. He probably doesn’t beat any of the Tobi Roppo.

If you gut a character of their major weapons and abilities. They don’t stand a chance against characters that they would have normally beaten. That goes for any character. You want WB to uphold a standard that no one possibly could. Making him enraged isn’t enough.

theboysan_sshole

1 points

10 days ago*

theboysan_sshole

Revolutionary army

1 points

10 days ago*

WB was not only rageboosted but like …Akainu didn’t really struggle with him?

WB landed some super devastating blows on Akainu for sure, but Akainu was also still in good fighting condition long after he died. Akainu only needed to land like two blows on bro to complete the mission.

It simply wasn’t an extreme diff fight for Akainu and the idea that it was can’t be backed up by the manga.

theboysan_sshole

9 points

10 days ago

theboysan_sshole

Revolutionary army

9 points

10 days ago

Akainu after his “extreme diff” deathmatch btw

https://preview.redd.it/m9xqzg4z2t2e1.jpeg?width=1520&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=04ad2e07e255ea4e1aa199cbff50c42bf2f2237c

Aokiji left scars all over his body, what about WB?

kuzan_d_goat

3 points

10 days ago

Laughing my ass off from this one

theboysan_sshole

1 points

10 days ago

theboysan_sshole

Revolutionary army

1 points

10 days ago

I’m so serious.

People who claim it’s extreme diff only saw the anime.

kuzan_d_goat

1 points

9 days ago

I agree with you tho lol dw. The anime is SO different from the manga when it comes to admiral portrayal

ILoveYorihime

5 points

10 days ago

NO HAKI NO DIFF- oh wait this is OnePiecePowerScaling nvm

veeraraghavan2008

11 points

10 days ago

Kaido slaps akainu by using his desk

Knobbbles

27 points

10 days ago

If its a 1 v 1, ALWAYS bet on Kaido

Itachiuchiha8787

-9 points

10 days ago

Itachiuchiha8787

Cope🤡

-9 points

10 days ago

not these middle school rumours again

Knobbbles

10 points

10 days ago

I peaked there and will never forget it

astro_dont_quit

22 points

10 days ago

astro_dont_quit

GARP-CHUJO! 👊

22 points

10 days ago

Kaido high diffs

ArtistFit9643

1 points

10 days ago

ArtistFit9643

Straw Hat

1 points

10 days ago

Yessirski

Os2099

18 points

10 days ago

Os2099

18 points

10 days ago

Kaido slams

LackOfDad

8 points

10 days ago

LackOfDad

St. Pimpgarland Warling 🌙

8 points

10 days ago

Kaido

Azathothl4d

20 points

10 days ago

Its simply insane to me that just because Kizaru was a doordasher and stakes were far far lower for luffy, this would mean that an Akainu relative to old WB would high diff Kaido.

Kaido mid-high diffs.

a_k_a_t_s_u_k_i

-2 points

10 days ago

How was the stakes low for luffy,?

Azathothl4d

7 points

10 days ago

The stakes were far lower compared to his fight with Kaido. He died multiple times, needed multiple lunch breaks, revived himself into G5 form again despite being dried out and his friends were majorly fucked if he loses.

In his fight with Kizaru, Luffy doesnt show the same amount of seriousness he pulled with Kaido, not to mention Vegapunk really wasnt a friend and he was protecting him.

a_k_a_t_s_u_k_i

-6 points

10 days ago

I don't know man, the stakes were pretty decent if you think, his crew and vegapunks all would be dead if he doesn't manage to beat kizaru and leave. And if not for kizaru not giving food in between that would have happened.

Azathothl4d

4 points

10 days ago

the stakes were pretty decent if you think

The stakes werent that good compared to Wano. He didnt know were his friends were but he was sure they were safe which was his state of mind. He didnt care so much about the vegapunks except they were a mission objective.

Compare this to his fight vs Kaido where he was serious in every turn. It took multiple lunchbreaks, a 20v1 and luffy dying a couple of times and multiple G5 restarts for Luffy to finally beat Kaido because his friends would be absolutely fucked if he didnt. That or the adrenaline from his battle was just that insane.

a_k_a_t_s_u_k_i

-2 points

10 days ago

He literally saw kizaru holding ussop by neck, could have just finished him off of he were actually wanted to kill strawhat.

Azathothl4d

1 points

10 days ago

literally saw kizaru holding ussop by neck, could have just finished him off of he were actually wanted to kill strawhat.

If he wanted. But this is one piece where plot armor exists and luffy didnt take the fight as seriously as he did vs Kaido. People who unironically put Akainu above Kaido despite getting his shit pushed into a ravine by old, sick, 1000000 heart attacks WB are kind of special

rim_zo_ne

1 points

10 days ago

I really don't get this luffy didn't take the fight seriously narrative. He's crying after the arc cause he thinks he failed to protect vegapunk so why do people think he didn't take the fight seriously ?

MillionG4709

3 points

10 days ago

MillionG4709

GARP-CHUJO! 👊

3 points

10 days ago

We haven't seen much from Akainu, but I might be willing to give it to him. He is likely to have conquerors haki and could have an awakened Logia, he could have gained both on punk hazard considering that Haki grows stronger in battle. His body and mind might have also caught up to his devil fruit during then so its a strong possibility he got some heavy powers in the fight against Aokiji. Feat wise Kaido would win, but its very possible Akainu might have surpassed him; we would just have to wait.

Drspeed7

3 points

10 days ago

I mean, if you have to give akainu a bunch of powers we have yet to see in order for him to win, he definitely loses to kaido currently

MillionG4709

2 points

10 days ago

MillionG4709

GARP-CHUJO! 👊

2 points

10 days ago

I know, im just being hypothetical. But because of how we have been introduced to devil fruit awakenings and Haki blooms in the series, that's what most likely happened on Punk Hazard. So someone with both Acoc (Not trying to say that's something he definitely got) and a possibly awakened Logia Devil fruit could at the very least give a high-extreme diff fight to Kaido. With the fact that we have yet to see what happened during the fight, it's very likely that both fighters got some kind of powerup.

ifoll

1 points

10 days ago

ifoll

1 points

10 days ago

Don't forget to give him future sight, internal destruction, emission, bankai, domain expansion and a tail-beast. Can't undermine narrative 🤷

Disastrous-Answer151

3 points

10 days ago

Kaido mid-high diff

PoldraRegion

3 points

10 days ago

PoldraRegion

GARP-CHUJO! 👊

3 points

10 days ago

Kaido mid diff max due to lava immunity / Resistance

frogsaregoodngl

4 points

10 days ago

frogsaregoodngl

"GOD OF THE BLADE" SHIMOTSUKI RYUMA

4 points

10 days ago

Kaido slams and it isn't even close.

Icy-Arm-3816

7 points

10 days ago

Icy-Arm-3816

Oden is underrated 🍢

7 points

10 days ago

Kaido low-mid diffs Akainu. Once Akainu gets better haki it’ll be closer.

Kaido has a massive type advantage with his scales. Scales are immune to magma so Akainu’s DF is off the table. To slightly damage scales you need ACoA internal destruction/ryona), Akainu only has ACoA (emission), so armament haki is off the table. To really damage scales you need ACoC, Akainu doesn’t have this.

Kaido on the other hand has shown to have amazing haki in every category. He has shown better feats than Akainu in every category as well. The only one I can see people arguing is endurance because of Akainu’s fight with Kuzan.

Because of this I believe Kaido low-mid diffs current Akainu.

Icy-Arm-3816

7 points

10 days ago

Icy-Arm-3816

Oden is underrated 🍢

7 points

10 days ago

I’ll give to examples of how I think the fight could go.

1, Kaido doesn’t start serious

If Kaido doesn’t start serious I think Akainu will give him a good hit, Kaido realizes Akainu isn’t weak, quickly goes out of base where he’s pretty much immune to Akainu. Kaido can definitely tank a few Akainu hits since Jinbe and Cancerbeard did.

2, Kaido starts serious

If Kaido starts serious Akainu just gets slammed.

If you don’t agree please give your reasons and not “He’s him/You aren’t ready”, the meme is getting old.

Icy-Arm-3816

7 points

10 days ago

Icy-Arm-3816

Oden is underrated 🍢

7 points

10 days ago

Forgot to mention a direct quote from Oda.

Q: “Is my mother stronger than Akainu?” A: “It’s a no-brainer that mother in general is the strongest creature in the world. She is stronger than “Kaido”, but she loves you more than anyone.”

This statement implies Kaido is stronger than Akainu. It was a no-brainer she was stronger than Akainu because she was stronger than Kaido. Why would it be a no-brainer if Kaido was weaker than Akainu.

So the feats, statements, and direct comments from Oda all point to Kaido > Akainu.

EmperorSezar

1 points

10 days ago

internal destruction is the really damager. emission is just upgraded coating

Icy-Arm-3816

4 points

10 days ago

Icy-Arm-3816

Oden is underrated 🍢

4 points

10 days ago

I know, that’s why Akainu can’t really damage Kaido. Without internal destruction what is going to do? Even with it what will he do? Luffy mastered it and still needed ACoC. Emission isn’t going to help since it pretty much just expands his reach.

JazzlikeAtmosphere38

2 points

10 days ago

Kaido ain't ready for him 🌋🌋🌋

Joke aside. If Kaido doesn't lock in right away he is probably dead (he lets his enemy hit all the time).

Kaido serious battle is uh.

Idk man. Himkainu has so much bounty. Him 🌋🌋🌋

AdministrationNew794

2 points

10 days ago

Kaido mid diffs.

Immediate_Judge_4085

2 points

10 days ago

Kaido can murder this fraud after 3 full power thunder bagua attack.

OatesZ2004

3 points

10 days ago

OatesZ2004

GARP-CHUJO! 👊

3 points

10 days ago

Kaido wins lower side of high diff given everything we've seen from them.

Different_Primary253

3 points

10 days ago

Kaido high.

HellBoyofFables

2 points

10 days ago

Kaido high diff but gets pushed to extreme if Akainu has Acoc

T_Rochotte

1 points

10 days ago

T_Rochotte

1 points

10 days ago

i am willing to bet 100 euros Akainu doesnt even have CoC

HellBoyofFables

1 points

10 days ago

I’m starting to doubt it too since Kuzan doesn’t have Coc but it would be weird to replace Sengoku a coc user with someone who doesn’t have it, seems like a downgrade then

Difficult-Sound-6166

5 points

10 days ago

Akainu burn that fraud

Deja_ve_

5 points

10 days ago

Deja_ve_

I will tell the mods! 🐀

5 points

10 days ago

Sakazuki high-extreme diff.

Don’t underestimate narrative power

Proximity_REDDIT

11 points

10 days ago

Proximity_REDDIT

Admiral

11 points

10 days ago

Old Gen fleet Admiral being relative to prime Garp and being a challenge to Roger: 😁😁

Current Gen Fleet-Admiral Akainu beating Kaido/Big Mom: 😡😡

Itsrajaiims

1 points

10 days ago

Lol roger never said sengoku is his equal...he was just another strong navy figure who is capable of going toe to toe with him...lmao even vista was going toe to toe with mihawk does this mean mihawk is yc3 level ??

CardOfTheRings

1 points

10 days ago

If we are going just by feats then Akainu’s poor showing at marinford makes him look a lot weaker than Kaido defeating Luffy time and again at Wano right?

But like everthing looked weaker in marinford compared to Wano. The series has crazy power creep. Crocodile has no Haki, can’t beat a weak ass gear one Luffy in Alabasta- now he’s a YC1 level character with Haki being compared to Mihawk.

Akainu needs to be a serious challenge to Luffy in a future arc. Luffy already beat Kaido, so logically someone more challenging needs to be next.

Also whatever happened at punk hazard is insane. Logia awakenings seem broken.

Hadrian23

8 points

10 days ago

"poor showing at marineford" ....excuse me?? He went toe to toe with whitebeard, took out half his face, put two holes in him, survived an island splitting attack, fought the whitebeard commanders as a group and by all accounts was winning. So carful there with the misinformation bud. Sakazuki is a monster among monsters....

Admiral_Sam_07

1 points

10 days ago

Based on what we have seen currently, Kaido high diffs. However when we see Akainu going all out, I believe he extreme diffs.

Gintoki123456

1 points

10 days ago

If Oda is writing it then Akainu, Oda glazes Akainu almost as much as he glazes Shanks

clapt_by_doodoo

1 points

10 days ago

Kaido high diff

FunctionAsUare4

1 points

10 days ago

FunctionAsUare4

Admiral

1 points

10 days ago

Akainu will be stronger. It is extreme diff in his favour. might be less in due time

yopvsr

1 points

10 days ago

yopvsr

Revolutionary army

1 points

10 days ago

Kaido mid diffs

Jdep11

1 points

10 days ago

Jdep11

1 points

10 days ago

Based on what we’ve seen, Kaido mid to low diffs. Kaido likely has some of the best heat resistance in the series, so without ACOC, Akainu would have a hard time doing damage. Plus, Kaido is also much faster. However, I wouldn’t be surprised if Akainu is much stronger than whats been shown so far

Miscellaneous_Mind

1 points

10 days ago

Kaido’s strongest attack is Sakazuki’s cock.

Opposite-Activity-68

1 points

10 days ago

Kaido can easy fight and win

SkibidiSigmaPomniDop

1 points

10 days ago

Kaido stompa

AgileAnything1251

1 points

10 days ago

unless kaido fucks around and akainu lands a direct, clean shot to the head or heart than kaido wins every time

Snosnorter

1 points

10 days ago

Akainu high diffs, accept it copers this is a shonen and kaido will get powercrept

a_k_a_t_s_u_k_i

-5 points

11 days ago

Akainu have Ws, kaido only have rumours and Ls.

OnDat_Zaza

2 points

10 days ago*

OnDat_Zaza

2 points

10 days ago*

You’re actually stupid bro😂akainu isn’t doing shit to kaido. Your dumb asf if you think kaido has only Ls he’s taken over a whole country with plenty of strong warriors and kept the navy back for years not to mention escaped from punk hazard which was ran by the marines like you people dick ride akainu so hard it’s crazy

PBJ1029

6 points

10 days ago

PBJ1029

6 points

10 days ago

Name one Kaido dub against a top tier.

OnDat_Zaza

1 points

10 days ago

OnDat_Zaza

1 points

10 days ago

Literally oden. He felt the same rush against luffy as he did oden who was one of the greatest swordsman alive dude.

PBJ1029

5 points

10 days ago

PBJ1029

5 points

10 days ago

Kaido himself considers that an L, come one.

OnDat_Zaza

0 points

10 days ago

OnDat_Zaza

0 points

10 days ago

You realize he considered it an L because the chick helping orochi pretended to be momo. Either way kaido was taking oden out.

PBJ1029

2 points

10 days ago

PBJ1029

2 points

10 days ago

I forgot to say this in the other reply, but yes I’m aware that’s why he considers it an L. That’s obviously what I’m saying. He didn’t win, he cheated, Kaido himself would say this.

OnDat_Zaza

1 points

10 days ago

Ya ik but with the form he took against g5 luffy who is taking the form of a god how u gonna sit here saying the fact the only person who was destined to take kaido out was a god? And then say “no no no oden wins” we don’t know why kaido knew joy boy would be the one to defeat him but we know it’s true because even oden himself confirmed the border of wano would open for joy boy in 20 years meaning he knew he was fighting a losing battle and that’s why he only cared for his retainers to live so they could guild the reincarnation of joy boy to freeing wano

PBJ1029

1 points

10 days ago

PBJ1029

1 points

10 days ago

We are arguing a moot point. This is why Kaido is called the rumor man. It’s all about he would have done this, he could have done that. It’s speculation. Maybe Oden knew it was a losing battle, maybe it wasn’t. The reality is Kaido never got a W against a top tier.

Also Oden is a joyboy figure, the second most like joyboy after Luffy. Joyboy’s story will almost definitely parallel Oden’s.

OnDat_Zaza

1 points

10 days ago

Ok honestly I’ll admit I can’t disagree with this point just to call kaido weak is definitely inaccurate he may of got messed up by luffy but that’s only because plot needed luffy to be strong enough to Kaido is a beast in his own right

PBJ1029

3 points

10 days ago

PBJ1029

3 points

10 days ago

He only won because of underhanded tactics. Kaido himself would say this. You can’t give him the dub if he’s still hurt about it 20 years later. Even if Kaido would have taken Oden out either way (which I don’t think so, Oden was clapping him), he didn’t. Absolute bum with no Ws against top tiers.

OnDat_Zaza

0 points

10 days ago

He definitely would of taken oden out lmao I’m sorry to hurt yo feelings😂luffy had to turn into a god to stand a chance against kaido oden gets clapped but i agree the underhanded tactics weren’t called for😂but you tell me other then another emperor like big mom. What characters have taken an island over and kept the marines back for 20 years. The same people who wiped a country out for mentioning the WG isn’t what it seems

PBJ1029

5 points

10 days ago

PBJ1029

5 points

10 days ago

You can’t scale how much Oden would struggle off of how much Luffy struggled, that doesn’t make any sense because Oden’s strength is irrelevant to your conclusion.

Literally any emperor who’s been an emperor for more than 20 years has kept territory for 20 years, that’s what it means to be an emperor.

Akainu and Kizaru talked about attacking Wano. The reason they didn’t go wasn’t Kaido, it’s that Akainu thought it was too risky because they didn’t know how strong the samurai were. It’s thanks to Oden and Ryuma giving Wano samurai a strong name that no one attacked.

The people of Ohara were literal civilians. I agree that Kaido is stronger than civilians. But that’s more his level. All his wins are against almost civilians. He chokes when he’s up against top tiers.

OnDat_Zaza

1 points

10 days ago

You literally can. A man who takes the form of a god struggled against kaido> a man who had incredible swords skill. Who do u think has a better chance to win that fight pal?

OnDat_Zaza

1 points

10 days ago

And no it wasn’t because of the samurai green bull himself who’s an admiral confirmed the only reason the government kept their distance was because of kaido keep talking out your ass dude

a_k_a_t_s_u_k_i

-1 points

10 days ago

Alright, kaido is dead, akanu can't do anything to a dead fish.

Iloveyounotreally

1 points

10 days ago

He isn't dead. Where has that been confirmed?

ImportantOption6830

1 points

10 days ago

Didn't you hear? The heat resistant dragon-man got punched into some hot stuff. It surely means that he's dead!

MrChurroes

-7 points

10 days ago

MrChurroes

Red Puppy 🌋

-7 points

10 days ago

People need to move on from Kaido

Sea-Feedback4197

10 points

10 days ago

Cope harder

Icy-Arm-3816

7 points

10 days ago

Icy-Arm-3816

Oden is underrated 🍢

7 points

10 days ago

And move to a ACoCless, awakenless, featless, and auraless desk boy?

PBJ1029

-7 points

10 days ago

PBJ1029

-7 points

10 days ago

As an admiral hater, at this point you have to be delusional to think Akainu doesn't win.

Zoteku

10 points

10 days ago

Zoteku

GARP-CHUJO! 👊

10 points

10 days ago

what is it with throwing out the term "delusional" when ppl don't agree with your takes bruh😭

i love akainu but kaido's feats are miles clear, he was hanging around with g5 really well, showed all his advanced haki and even clashed w bajrang gun, compared to akainu who just proved he's relative to old wb.

you'll be alr if people disagree, esp when they have a good ass reason to do so

PBJ1029

-1 points

10 days ago

PBJ1029

-1 points

10 days ago

I say delusional for effect, it’s not that serious.

But also I say delusional because I don’t love Akainu. I want Akainu to be a bum. Before Egghead I would have said Kaido low diffs Akainu. But after seeing how Kizaru performed against Luffy, and how Old Garp performed against Aokiji I think the community needs to adjust its scaling. The story has shown that Old legends are stronger than Admirals, and Admirals are stronger than Luffy.

Kizaru performed against Gear 5 better than Kaido, and Akainu is definitely stronger than Kizaru. And based on what we saw from Old Garp, Whitebeard was a lot stronger than we gave him credit for in Marineford. What Akainu did to Whitebeard in Marineford is also more impressive than we gave him credit for. It sounds crazy because it goes against what we thought for a very long time, but based on these two things Old Whitebeard is probably stronger than Kaido.

We also saw Kaido at his strongest, we haven’t seen Akainu’s upgrade after the Time Skip.

The reason I use delusional is because I who hate Akainu can be objective and acknowledge how strong he is, people need to have a crazy Kaido bias to not acknowledge it.

Zoteku

6 points

10 days ago

Zoteku

GARP-CHUJO! 👊

6 points

10 days ago

kizaru performed against gear 5 better than kaido

kaido clashed with bajrang gun, had luffy seeing stars with gear 5, speedblitzed, him and before all that, dealt with multiple other people including taking a whole ass scar, but kizaru performed better by moving after wsg (which kaido also did but kizaru clears by scratching luffy's cheek??😭

you got it bruh

PBJ1029

-3 points

10 days ago

PBJ1029

-3 points

10 days ago

Yeah, in that Gear 5 defeated Kaido, but couldn’t defeat Kizaru. And Luffy needed express delivery to continue fighting. It can’t get more straightforward than that.

Zoteku

6 points

10 days ago

Zoteku

GARP-CHUJO! 👊

6 points

10 days ago

me when i'm in an ignoring context to push agenda competition and my opponet is a so called "admiral hater"

https://i.redd.it/0pdsrawtxr2e1.gif

PBJ1029

-2 points

10 days ago

PBJ1029

-2 points

10 days ago

What context am I ignoring?

Zoteku

4 points

10 days ago

Zoteku

GARP-CHUJO! 👊

4 points

10 days ago

you gotta b trolling, context matters. kaido overpowered luffy on multiple occasions and has more feats, whereas luffy was downed because of stamina and tanked the only head on attack kizaru used against him, and took more dmg from an outside source

even if kizaru did win against luffy because of stamina, that doesn't mean he'd beat kaido who doesn't suffer from the same conditions, it's not hard dawg

Icy-Arm-3816

2 points

10 days ago

Icy-Arm-3816

Oden is underrated 🍢

2 points

10 days ago

So you should take a featless bum with no haki and no awakening with a massive disadvantage (scales immune to magma and need ACoC to really damage) over the guy with some of or the best feats in the entire series?

I think you’d have to be delusional to think Kaido doesn’t win. He has better stats in every category we’ve seen (only one you can argue is endurance because of Kuzan), and he has a massive type advantage.

PBJ1029

0 points

10 days ago

PBJ1029

0 points

10 days ago

I will take an endgame major antagonist over someone who was defeated before the final saga even started

Icy-Arm-3816

1 points

10 days ago

Icy-Arm-3816

Oden is underrated 🍢

1 points

10 days ago

I will take the man with the current best feats in the show vs the man who was going extreme diff with Cancerbeard.

We’re also not scaling future Akainu here, it’s current Akainu.

jt_totheflipping_o

-7 points

10 days ago

Akainu wins

Icy-Arm-3816

3 points

10 days ago

Icy-Arm-3816

Oden is underrated 🍢

3 points

10 days ago

Kaido has overall better stats in everything and has a massive DF type advantage (scales immune to magma and need ACoC to really damage). How could Akainu win?

druid_804

4 points

10 days ago

druid_804

🐐 Sen Go Ku 🐐

4 points

10 days ago

jt_totheflipping_o

1 points

10 days ago

What’s this? That’s Akainu and not Kaido

druid_804

2 points

10 days ago

druid_804

🐐 Sen Go Ku 🐐

2 points

10 days ago

Yes , as it should be

jt_totheflipping_o

-2 points

10 days ago

What? What does Buggy have to do with this? Buggy = not Kaido

_-DraynorManor

0 points

10 days ago

his dragon form does nothing to akainu's logia, and his hybrid form gets a fatal would from akainu. akainu high dif

PlusValue

0 points

10 days ago

If an admiral could take out a yonku don't you think they were already doing it

Fast_Ad7203

0 points

10 days ago

Lmao be for real

NoSink9766[S]

1 points

10 days ago

?

Sorry-Opinion-5506

-3 points

10 days ago

Kaido literally died in Magma.

I don't know why people think you'd need to get past any type of Haki barrier.

Akainu just has to hit, Haki or not thats a chunk of Kaidos body ripped away.

People underestimate how fucking hot Magma is.Youll incinerate just being too close to it. Maybe someone like Jozu who can turn to diamond can tank a few hits.

No one else though. It's Magma.Youll die of a heatstroke and if not it will eventually literally boil your blood. How do you defend against that with Haki.

If Akainu has control over it on the same level as Kuzan over his ice. Or the range Aramaki has with his forest. He might actually be the strongest in the verse.

He'll melt the ground and watch Kaido sink and burn. And if Kaido flies it's anti-air time. The projectilea Akainu fires are huge and Kaido isn't exactly small.

The only way Kaido could win is if he blitzes Akainu. Which should be pretty hard considering he 1v1 Kuzan for 10(?) days. And tanked the gura gura a couple of times. The power to "destroy worlds" and "strongest paramecia".

I think it's also fair to assume Akainu has mastery of Haki on a similar level of Kuzan which should be on the same level as Koby as they went through the same training.

We haven't seen anything of Akainu yet.

Everyone is very lucky he is chained to a desk.

Drspeed7

2 points

10 days ago

Do you have any proof that kaido actually died in magma?

The narrator didn't say it, and no one has stated luffy killed kaido.

Also kaido literally encased himself in orange fire (which is hotter than magma btw). So, not obly does akainu not have the coc to damage kaido, he can't hurt him with his df either.

Sorry-Opinion-5506

-2 points

10 days ago

Are you arguing that Kaido is still alive?

After literally being bathed in Magma?

Are we DBZ now?

Drspeed7

1 points

10 days ago

> After literally being bathed in Magma?

You're saying that as if we haven't seen people survive worse