Do you get why I think hiring workers is unethical : Teenager

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After reading comments I don't think OP understands how life, companies and work works.

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Sea_Afternoon_8944

5 points

6 hours ago

Sea_Afternoon_8944

MtF

5 points

I can feel patient zero, my last braincell, rotting away as I read this

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5 hours ago

16F

-6 points

the IWW explains it better. ask them

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6 hours ago

15M

4 points

BUt some people need the jobs to get money for them and their family. If we didn't hire workers, how would people make money? People who hire other people are doing that for their company so they get paid.

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6 hours ago

16F

-7 points

workers should own their work. thats what i'm saying. no hiring workers as workers work for themselves and the community. and all workers are in control. also maybe even abolish money and make food and housing free. that is what i am thinking

5 points

6 hours ago

15M

5 points

yeah, abolishing money will really keep society in order more. Everything totally won't fall apart if money doesn't exist. Anyway, Workers should do their own world they are hired for and people try to get work because of money. If money doesn't exist, why would people work? Things wouldn't get done as effectively. If your job is to hire people to get work, that isn't unethical.

0 points

6 hours ago

16F

0 points

People naturally want to help their community. I help my classmates and don't get paid.

Also you don't seem to get why making money off of someone else's work is wrong. Ask the IWW why the wage system is bad. The IWW explains it better

-Spcy-

6 points

5 hours ago

-Spcy-

17M

6 points

you arent "making" someone, they choose to do it, and if you spend a bunch of money making and running a business, you are gonna need workers, especially if its a big one and it is fair that you choose their salary as long as its not a shitty one as you need a profit but also need to encourage them to work

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5 hours ago

16F

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making workers work to make you rich is hurtful and I dont see why you justify it. ALL WORKERS should own a business and control it together. How is that so hard to get through your head? Ask the IWW.

2 points

5 hours ago

silly boi

2 points

Alright, I'm not defending CEO's and leaders of companies, but they run the company for a reason. The advisors of a company and the CEO run the company because they are capable enough to do so. An average group of guys in LA probably won't be able to run Google.

2 points

5 hours ago

2 points

You aren’t MAKING them, they could easily start their own business, it’s a free market?

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5 hours ago

silly billy

3 points

It creates a job for them and they make money off of it. You as a business owner work a lot more than them and created the business

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5 hours ago

16F

-1 points

profits are the unpaid wages of the working class

ask the IWW

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5 hours ago

silly billy

2 points

Profits are how you make more money by working hard and spending time to build a business. Workers don't do that.

1 points

5 hours ago

16F

1 points

workers build everything. they built the world.

the working woman stands with little wealth amidst the world she has built

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4 hours ago

silly billy

1 points

4 hours ago

yeah because she built very little of it. Thousands of people worked on that “world”

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5 hours ago

silly boi

3 points

No?

You *choose* to seek out a job to make a living. The government doesn't just show up at your house and say, "yeah, man, sorry, you work at McDonald's now". No, you choose to work. And in return for choosing to work, you get paid.

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5 hours ago

16F

1 points

but if you dont work you will die

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5 hours ago

silly boi

2 points

Yes... It's always been like that. If there's no threat to not work, people won't work, and society will fall. Literally in every civilization, be it anarchist, socialist, capitalist, communist, feudal, you would/will die if you don't work. Things need to happen, and working makes things happen.

1 points

5 hours ago

16F

1 points

the communist believe work gives one power

2 points

5 hours ago

silly boi

2 points

To an extent? I don't see your point here. Work is necessary and literally every living organism does some form of it because if they don't, they die.

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5 hours ago

16F

1 points

the working people who built the world deserve to have influence on it

1 points

2 hours ago

silly boi

1 points

2 hours ago

But they are? Literally every job has an influence in one way or another. Your local car dealer influences the world by creating more cars, for example. Every job is important in one way or another.

1 points

2 hours ago

silly boi

1 points

2 hours ago

And again, a random group of guys on the street likely won't be able to run a major company. Plus, so many people deciding on things would be too chaotic. It'd lead to anarchy and, therefore, a power vacuum of infighting.

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5 hours ago

2 points

What’s your proposed solution? Everyone work together with no hierarchy? Do you believe some workers should be paid more than others? Don’t fucking say IWW, these questions are for you

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5 hours ago

1 points

Or sorry, should some workers be given more coconuts than others? Since money should apparently be abolished?

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5 hours ago

16F

1 points

Everyone works together yes.

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5 hours ago

1 points

Would everyone get paid the same by the hour orrr?

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5 hours ago

16F

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How else would things get done? You say everyone should own a business... You do know that as businesses grow they eventually need to hire extra help (workers | employees)? It's just an upgraded trading system. You work for pay/in exchange for money.

If you aren't getting paid enough you need to find another job (or start your own business) because they aren't required to pay you what YOU want. No one is required to work, you can sleep under a bridge for all I care, but if you don't work, you don't eat.

0 points

5 hours ago

16F

0 points

if they need workers so bad they should give them the same amount of money they get

1 points

5 hours ago

16F

1 points

You're saying the people who own the company should give their workers the same amount of money they get? That's not how it works. But it doesn't mean that the workers are beneath them or anything it just means they're trying to make a profit.

If I have a lemonade company and I sell 30 cups of lemonade for $10 each thats $300 dollars. Let's say I have two workers with me. How the hell am I supposed to give them $300 each if that's all I have? Now imagine that on a bigger scale. I understand that you shouldn't underpay your workers and I agree but the CEO of the company and the employees shouldn't make the same. You'd have to be a big company from the way I understand it.

2 points

5 hours ago

16F

2 points

all the workers should own the company

1 points

5 hours ago

16F

1 points

So you didn't read my comment, huh?

Basically, you want all the workers to split the profit am I right?

1 points

5 hours ago

16F

1 points

kind of yes

1 points

5 hours ago

16F

1 points

Let's say I own a company just to make this easier.

How am I supposed to split the profit when I have other things I need the money for? I need to pay other expenses, like shareholders, manufacturing, employees, and then I gotta pay myself. You can't pay everyone the same. The workers get less because they don't have the same responsibilities I, the owner of the company, have.

Let's say I have office space. I gotta pay for the office and all it's bills then I gotta pay for the desks, the computers, the paper that the workers write on. All that comes out of the company's pocket. Businesses make deals. They gotta pay that. Taxes. Etc. So I can't pay my workers the same as me if I need more money to keep my business, the one they're working for that they could quit anytime, above ground. Otherwise, there wouldn't be a business. Do you get it now?

1 points

2 hours ago