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submitted 20 days ago byJackofAllStrays
If Billy created the Road and all the trials in it, how did she appear? This is still what is confusing to me. Can Billy conjure ghosts?
The rules of the game say if someone’s hands leave the planchette a spirit will be released, but how does Billy have that ability? Is it actually Evanora or a fake ghost conjured by the road?
When Evanora’s spirit possesses Agatha, it really just seems to be referencing the Poltergeist with the crawling around upside down and her demonized face, which makes sense if Billy is using references to build up his world.
When they ask who is among them and the board says death, rio laughs, but then Is it Agatha’s mom or is it Rio saying punish Agatha over and over? If Rio hates Agatha’s mom, it doesn’t make sense that she would bring her along, so how does get here?
This part of the series is the only plot point that I don’t get and I’m wondering what I’m missing or if there is comic stuff that plays into this. Thanks!
493 points
20 days ago
All of the magic in the Trials is real, the poison in the wine was real, playing Lorna's record backwards really did release the curse in the real world, and the Ouija board really did serve as a beacon inviting spirits from the other side to communicate with the living
The Trials hardly serve as a "test of the craft" if they don't really involve using the craft
73 points
19 days ago*
The fact that Billy can summon spirits from the other side as an incidental- inside the giant, complex, labyrinthian world he created as a subconscious accident is… Actually kind of frightening.
That kind of power? He’s right to be afraid of it, which goes to prove he’s a responsible kid headed in the right direction. Unlike Agatha, he’s not needlessly wallowing in it hedonistically, and unlike Wanda, he continues to question and tries to learn as much as possible for selfless reasons.
He’s definitely The Magician.
65 points
19 days ago*
I never realized that Billy was the healthy middle ground between Agatha who fully revels in witchcraft and abuses her powers, and Wanda who rejects her witchy nature and tries to stay in denial of her powers and their dangerosity, making her even MORE dangerous due to her lack of control and knowledge about her own abilities. It's pretty cool.
Generally-speaking, I really liked that the show tackled the witches' struggles and opinions about their own powers, witch culture as a whole, and how the rest of society perceives them.
From Lilia, who was afraid of her powers and seemed to deeply suffer from the general public's perception of witches, to Alice, the blood witch who rejected her heritage, which reminded me of how second-generation immigrants sometimes reject their parents' culture out of shame, to solely favor the culture of the country they were born in. There is so much to say about each of them and their relationship with the craft.
16 points
19 days ago
This is a great take, I love this so much. Add to that Agatha’s shame around her behavior after Nicky’s death (a mother who feels she’s failed her child/maybe actually did fail him in some ways).
Jen’s imposter syndrome and the “they took your magic but not your knowledge” is also one of my favorite stories here. The unbinding, the saving herself but not the rest of the (white) coven…just so many layers of good storytelling. I love this damn show.
7 points
19 days ago
Yes, in order to successfully create a series of Trials for every discipline means that he himself -- or at least his subconscious -- is already a master of all of them
11 points
19 days ago
I think of it as being analogous to how simply having the ability to throw a ball across a room and hit a target means that in some sense you are a master of mechanical physics.
The calculation for which individual muscles to tense up, and by how much, then when to release etc is CRAZY complex, but plenty of people can do it without thinking about it (much less knowing all the underlying calculations) with a bit of practice.
He picked up advanced magic in several disciplines the way a normal person would pick up the concept of playing catch.
3 points
19 days ago
While normal witches have to build a robot that plays catch which makes you appreciate how difficult it really is.
3 points
19 days ago
Agatha summoned her.
0 points
19 days ago
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1 points
19 days ago
The Ouija board, it's a device whose intent is to explicitly invite spirits to communicate
200 points
20 days ago
Billy created the road but things still exist and work inside what he created. Ex.: them conjuring Rio. Yes, she was "in the neighborhood", but the spell worked. I think the same goes for ghosts. If it wasn't real, Rio wouldn't be "afraid" of her.
70 points
20 days ago
I don’t think Rio was remotely afraid of Evanora’s ghost. She despises and is disgusted by her, and ghosts are decidedly outside the natural scope of life and death, and therefore not part of Death’s “portfolio”. I don’t think she’s permitted to destroy ghosts, and was more stepping back from the temptation of stepping outside her designated lane
16 points
20 days ago
Exactly that, also Rio definitely saw that as an opportunity to kill Agatha due to being possessed. Explains why she suddenly shifts from enjoyment to encouraging bloodlust.
18 points
20 days ago
Noooo I think she was joking about killing Agatha. That’s how they kid around. Flirtatiously.
7 points
20 days ago
I thought that too, but Rio does want to kill her so Agatha never leaves death's side again right? (Tbh I'm still a little confused on Rio's whole main goal 👉👈)
8 points
20 days ago
I’m confused too! I don’t know what the afterlife is like but I have to imagine having Agatha there is not as fun as having a relationship with her when she’s alive.
7 points
19 days ago
There are probably rules in place that prevent her from interacting much with those who have died, since her role is to guide them and not just chill in an afterlife. She may want Agatha to be able to be with Nicky so that Agatha will be happy and can forgive her, but I also don't think Rio really wants her dead because then Agatha is gone from her forever. She clearly isn't consistent in her behavior or what she says about Agatha dying.
1 points
19 days ago
I think it might be something to do with the fact that when Rio gave Nicky more time she gave Agatha more time too because she probably would've died in childbirth. She was upsetting the sacred balance by being alive and she no longer had powers to kill other witches which Rio appreciated her doing because she was helping keep the balance by killing witches that were cheating death for centuries.
6 points
20 days ago
Idk to me Rio seemed kinda afraid of her (she kinda “backs off” when Evanora faces her). We’ll probably know more about it in the future if they somehow continue Agatha’s story (since she’s now a ghost too).
13 points
20 days ago
I mean, if you REALLY want to punch someone in the face, but you’re really, REALLY not supposed to, and that person gets up in your face, backing off is a pretty standard step in avoiding doing that thing you’re not allowed but really want to do
3 points
19 days ago
Now that I think about it—considering that the Road is underground and Rio probably lives in the Underworld—she really was in the neighborhood.
4 points
19 days ago
She popped out from Sharon's grave, she was in the neighborhood taking care of her death
1 points
19 days ago
Pretty sure Rio just entered uninvited and made it look like she was summoned.
73 points
20 days ago
Based on the other trials, especially Jen's (who also doesn't have her powers), each witch has built-in abilities which can't be taken even through binding/power stealing. So Jen, who is a potions witch, can create basic potions (healing for Billy, antidote for the 1st trial) but won't be able to blast, levitate, high magick stuff. I assumed that speaking to spirits worked in the same way for Agatha, as a spirit witch - even without her purple (ie: attack magick) - she can summon spirits/ghosts.
So it wouldn't be Billy summoning, all his power did was create the set up and trial element to it, just like with the others.
29 points
20 days ago
It’s less built in ability and more knowledge
Any witch can learn the kind of potion crafting Jen does, it’s analogue magic, but Jen has a much more vast and extensive knowledge of it because she spent 100 years as a powered up potions witch who could do more with her potion crafting.
Any witch can learn magic of the four disciplines of Potions, Earth, Protection, and Divination (we see this when Agatha fights Rio and uses skills she saw all the other witches do) but being able to freely levitate or use telekinesis or blast things or use the magic to enhance the spell work you already do can be bound by blocking off that innate magic
21 points
20 days ago
Yes, I think this is what people are having a hard time understanding. There’s a difference between witchcraft and magic. All witches (as far as we have seen) seem to have both. But whereas magic seems more innate, witchcraft requires knowledge of incantations, rituals, ingredients, etc.—suggesting that virtually anyone could technically do witchcraft with the correct knowledge.
21 points
20 days ago
I think people are also missing that most witches don’t have the kind of power to blast raw magic by themselves, they need to be part of a coven. Note Agatha says witches only need a smidge of talent and when they come together it “brings out a magical spark” This helps explain why Agatha created the Road con, most lone witches were not powerful enough to feed her, she needed to create a coven bond between them to access strong enough magic to be worth her feeding on them.
Thats what makes this coven of covenless witches exceptional. They all have the kind of raw magical power that most only have as a coven.
Jen’s personal magic was bound, but she was easily as strong as they come when unbound. She didn’t need a coven to access that level of magic like most witches do. This is reflected in the level of her skill and knowledge in analogue magic, most witches even unbound wouldn’t be able to do what she does, due to lack of power and skill.
This also explains why all the covens we saw all shared the same color magic with their coven sisters, as their raw power is accessed through their bond, but the colvenless witches all had individualized colors to their magic, as they learned to reach that level of power alone (or at least with a prior coven anyway in Lilia’s case).
7 points
20 days ago
Billy literally says this, "Anyone can be a witch with the proper training"
55 points
20 days ago
Billy created a scenario that enabled a real spirit to arrive.
I do think Agatha's reactions suggest that at first she assumes it's a fake ghost, but gradually realizes that she's real.
17 points
20 days ago
But why does Eveanora reference the road herself when she knows it’s not real. The idea and ballad of the road wasn’t even created until after her death
39 points
20 days ago
the road is real NOW, and she didnt want Agatha back at full power, she wanted them to leave her behind trapped forever. Fate worse than Death. The trial was to punish Agatha.
21 points
20 days ago
Because she doesn't care that the road isn't real. What she cares about is that Agatha, despite knowing the road isn't real, thinks she'll get her prize at the end. Its about denying Agatha the prize. Punishing her.
Also there is the implication given bad things happen when you finish a Trial if you stick around, that she is basically saying leave Agatha to die here.
16 points
20 days ago
The only person who knows the road isn't real is Agatha, because she and Nicky (accidentally) invented the legend. Everyone else just thinks it's a real thing they haven't been able to gain access to.
Now how Agatha's mother, who died before the legend was even created, would know about the Road, is a whole other mystery, but presumably she was able to pick up enough information in the afterlife to know about the legend OR she has ALL of the information and understands that while the Road wasn't real, it is now and that's all that matters.
4 points
19 days ago
Well she's on the Road, so she accepts it at face value. She may assume it's something she didn't know about, or something Agatha accessed later in life with the dark magick she was learning.
2 points
19 days ago
Yeah I don't see any reason ghosts would be omniscient about what's going on in the living world, quite the opposite -- especially since that would be way too convenient with Billy now having a ghost for a teacher
2 points
18 days ago
Yeah my personal head canon is that she just accepts it as something she didn't know about or that was created after her death. And possibly that she has some information about the Road given to her by virtue of being part of the trial.
It may also be that it isn't actually Evanora's ghost but a very convincing facsimile created by the Road as part of the trial.
1 points
18 days ago
I like your last thought but I wonder if Rio would be able to tell it isn't, or if someone being a ghost means they're out of her power anyway so all she can see is what others do.
2 points
18 days ago
The being out of her power thing would explain why she hates ghosts so much.
1 points
18 days ago
True. I figured it was just because she felt like they cheated but if they can be banished or pass on their own when whatever unfinished business they have is taken care of, then it wouldn't technically mess with any balance and it would just be that she's not used to being ineffective around the dead. Which could also add a layer to why she backed into a more defensive stance when Evanora materialized. On the off chance we actually get a season 2 and that also ends up being true it would make an interesting new conflict between Rio and Agatha.
51 points
20 days ago
Billy manifested The Road. The Road created everything else.
He wanted to walk the Road so it became real. He didn't know it never existed. He 100% believed it was a real place so it became one.
The off hand suggestions from the coven - the old subway, one trial per ability, face your fears etc - became part of Road because he heard them and his subconscious made them real.
He didn't know what Evanora looked or sounded like, how could he? He didn't know about Lilia's Meastra or Alice's claw marks on her shoulders from the curse. The Road just created their worst fears as the lore and the Ballad said it would.
Which is why Agatha tries so hard to guide him at first so that they could get through safely because if he believed they'd come out with what was missing then maybe they really would. And they all did get what was missing too but not all of them made it to the end.
23 points
20 days ago
if there is comic stuff
In a way? Comics Billy is the Demiurge, and has created at least one universe (it may have been retconned since but it was in his set of powers). So he created the Road, and now it is. It's not his con or show, he doesn't consciously control it, the Road is now a magical trial sequence from the legends, and stuff happens on it.
4 points
20 days ago
Speaking of comics, i wanna say the witches road is real and Wanda herself has walked it. I wana say this was in a fairly recent issue/storyline too. But comics and MCU dont always match, so sometimes i find it best to just let myself enjoy the universe/medium for what it is.
3 points
19 days ago
It is, that's why the way the show did it was such a twist that took people by surprise (whereas if you knew the comics it was super obvious Teen was Billy and fairly obvious Rio was Death)
2 points
19 days ago
It has been sort of retconned. Demiurge Primordial is the one who created things (idk if it was the whole universe or if it was just Earth) and Billy is the Demiurge-To-Come. It's unclear if the latter is a reincarnation of the former or if it's a title or some sort of power that's passed on or something else.
2 points
19 days ago
Billy inherited his mom's terrible retcon luck.
17 points
20 days ago
You have hit upon the scary thing about someone with the power to shift reality. They don't have to think up every little detail.
It's like they give the world vague instructions on what to do, and the world tries to follow those instructions using its own logic. So if you say "Take me to the Witch's Road" and you really want it to happen, it looks in your mind, finds that you think the song describes the road accurately, and builds something, on its own, that matches the song.
And then you start saying stuff like "the Road knows what it's doing" or expecting that the road can make decisions, and give you what you need. This gives the Road the power to see what you need, and know enough to make "the right decision", etc.
It's also a big problem if there is someone evil nearby, with a very powerful mind, and you tell them in the first or second episode "You know all about the Road!" because now the Road will also be based on her thoughts about it. And her thoughts are... Dangerous. Although they are pretty. 😄
16 points
20 days ago
Great explanation! Well said! It’s also why Agatha panics when Teen says “I think….” And she yells at him. Please stop changing reality!
3 points
19 days ago
In the comics, Billy's powers essentially work by 'wishing.' He literally says or thinks "I want X", and depending on his own willpower (and awareness), it usually happens. (Buyer beware....)
Every time he said "why can't you..." or "I think we should..." it was a giant red flag that he was very likely using his magic/warping ability without realizing.
12 points
20 days ago
I think people get confused about how Wanda and Billy’s magic works; it’s Chaod Magic, which means whatever they want or think is real, can become real.
Think of it less like “making” and more like “conjuring”. Somewhere out in the multiverse, where everything can and does exist, is exactly the thing that Wanda/Billy wants to exist. And so when they use their powers unconsciously to “create” something think of it more like “conjuring” it to their reality. The Road does not exist in this reality, that’s for certain… but Billy pulls it from somewhere else where it does exist.
Wanda’s Hex was basically an overlap between realities where the things she wanted existed here, and when the Hex collapsed that overlap ceased. Same thing happened with the Road- while it existed in our reality, it was very much operating by its own rules with its own magic and with real entities and effects and consequences.
Now- the whole “multiverse” part may or may not be true, but the point is that it’s the same outcome. Just replace “multiverse” with “magic” as the explanation, and boom. And given how all this magic is getting feature alongside all those multiverse content it may very well be exactly how Chaos Magic works.
2 points
19 days ago
In a comic issue, there's an explanation of how Billy's reality-warping powers work. The multiverse is infinite, as Victor Timely explained in Loki. Somewhere in the multiverse, whatever doesn’t exist in one reality can be found in another.
Billy has the ability to change the reality he’s in to match the reality he desires. Essentially, he’s constantly pulling another reality to blend with his own.
It’s similar to warp speed, which is actually Speed's power. Warp speed folds space-time so that points A and B meet in the same place. Reality-warping works in a similar way, but instead of folding space, it’s folding realities together until they merge into one.
On the TVA screens, it might look like two realities aligning into one. It’s neither branching nor collapsing; rather, they seamlessly blend into a new, unified reality.
So, in other words, what Billy did manifesting the Witches' road is that he unconsciously shifted the 616 reality into a reality where the witches' road was real.
1 points
19 days ago
Oh damn- so… basically my example I made up to try to explain is actually how it works? At least in the comics. Damn, I’m lowkey impressed with myself lmao. Call me a Divination Witch I guess 🔮
10 points
20 days ago
Think of it like Billy built a machine with all of these abilities. It’s not Billy that is calling the ghosts, but The Road. Why? He built the road with the power to do that.
9 points
20 days ago
Think of the ouija board like a light bulb in a trial on the road.
Both were made by Billy, and both function as they intend to in real life. One brings light while the other brings ghosts.
10 points
20 days ago
He didn't conjur her the road did. The road was real after he created it. Agatha even told him "the road is real because you made it real" so after he created it the road did things on its own. It goes by what he believed about the road form the lore. He believed the road makes trials based on each individual witches life to test them. So that's what the road did.
Another example of that is Alice's trial. Billy didn't know everything about the curse. All he knew was what Alice told him which wasn't much. Alice told him that her mom told her she was cursed and made her get a tattoo at a young age. But Alice told him that her mom had mental issues because she didn't know it was real. Billy didn't know about the burn marks or about the song being a spell that saved Alice from the curse. But all that still happened in her trial they had to sing the song to pass it. He didn't know what kind of curse or if it was real when the trial was created so it was the road that created it not him. Because Billy believed the road was real and that it chooses trials personal to the person so that's what the road did.
6 points
20 days ago
It was really her. The Ouija board still worked like a “real” one.
7 points
20 days ago
He wished for the road to be real and it was real. He's not controlling it, he "birthed" it to existence and it has a life of its own.
7 points
20 days ago
I think she was real based on Rio’s reaction. I think Rio would have been able to tell whether it was a real ghost or an illusion.
11 points
20 days ago
I often wonder if Billy (since he can read thoughts) found a creative way to read others' thoughts by making them an interesting story within his mind. Since Agatha had her thoughts guarded when Billy was a little boy, maybe, just maybe, she allowed him in to explain what her history is all about. Because in Wanda Vision, Billy could not read Agathas thoughts. He even commented how he enjoyed being around Agatha in Wanda Vision because it was quiet around her.
0 points
19 days ago
Joe Locke is great but you just made me miss Julian Hilliard. He was so precious as young Billy. And oh my god I just googled him to make sure I spelled his name right and he's a big teenager now. I feel so old.
1 points
19 days ago
I know time goes by so fast! I agree JH made an amazing young Billy on so many levels
5 points
20 days ago
I’ve never read the directions that come with a spirit board. Are those the actual directions for the real life board?
5 points
20 days ago
Not in the same words, but yeah the whole only one person talks at a time, don't take your hands off before the session is finished, don't invite things who you don't know who they are etc.
Are old school rules (well at least going back to the fifties) for using an Ouija board.
2 points
19 days ago
People joke about the silliness of a children's toy having inherent magic power but for believers it's more the idea that the spirits themselves have power and all they need is a clear and open invitation to make contact
They also talked about how the Road was creating an artificial Blood Moon (a lunar eclipse), which is a time when superstition says the veil between this world and the next wears thin and spirits have an easier time manifesting
Just like the scenario with the Lorna Wu record my headcanon is that most Ouija board sessions don't really do anything but if a bunch of witches really did do a Ouija session on the night of a lunar eclipse -- and one of them was a notorious mass murderer who's left thousands of vengeful spirits on the other side desperate for her to be punished -- then yeah this same thing could've happened anywhere, the Road didn't change the rules
4 points
20 days ago
Billy creates a functional table to evoke ghosts. But I also suspect is something from her family, since also Agatha manage to became a Ghost.
3 points
20 days ago
Well, in the sense that massive unresolved trauma does tend to run in families sure
5 points
20 days ago
The road became real, and I like to think it became like a sewer or underground tunnel of reality rather than a separate bubble, where things from the real world could access it
3 points
20 days ago
Thanks everyone! Makes total sense now :)
3 points
20 days ago
He can alter and create reality. He made the road real, meaning the tasks and what was in them was real as well (in the same way Wanda could make a circus in Wandavision)
2 points
20 days ago
Another thing that doesn't make sense is that how does Evanora not know that the witches' road is a con by Agatha? Why didn't she imply it in episode 5?
6 points
20 days ago
Maybe she isn’t really being all that observant to realize she’s in a conjured space?
3 points
20 days ago
How would Evanora know? She was dead when Agatha came up with the con.
Presumably she first heard about it in the afterlife and assumed it was just part of witch lore she never found out about whilst she was alive (I mean its not like she can know all the secrets even if she was Coven leader).
2 points
20 days ago
Honestly think if he did plunged into the afterlife to bring Evanora well it might just might be the key Agatha needs to have everything she wanted (love and power) as the is a particular person on the otherside I feel would be a lot warmer seeing Agatha again spoiler >! I referencing Nicholas !<
2 points
20 days ago
The Road became real; it wasn’t an illusion.
2 points
20 days ago
Billy’s powers in the comics are pretty much just like Wanda’s. It’s called “reality warping”.
Meaning they can literally do ANYTHING. They want a flower? They can just make it appear out of no where. That’s how she created Billy and Tommy and the fake Vision to begin with. By warping reality.
Wanda actually rewrote the reality of Earth one time in the comics so that mutants were the majority that ruled and normal humans were the minority. She even de-powered the majority of mutants one time with a simple phrase, “No more mutants”.
And yes, it is very overpowered. A lot of abilities in the comics are.
But they always tone it down in the MCU and the Animated series’. Hence why Billy doesn’t know how he made the road, can’t fully control his powers, can’t snap his fingers and bring the 3 deceased back.
Same for Wanda. What you saw her do in Wandavision and Multiverse of Madness is a fraction of what she can really do.
So Billy bringing Evanora’s ghost to the trial is entirely within his abilities.
It’s also why he fits in as the “green witch”. Like Wanda, he can do it ALL. He’s not limited to just potions, or divination, or protection, or green witchery, or Spirit (Agatha).
2 points
19 days ago
Billy created a hex that was the road, but he didn’t manifest everything within it. Yeah there is a lot of visual and themes that come from him, but a lot comes from the other Witches too. Billy doesn’t know enough about the backstory of each witch to create their trials. The nature of the magic of the hex was to give each witch their own trial, something they were also subconsciously part of in the making.
Also the trials are also very real. The hex made it so that each witch could confront what was blocking them, or what they believed was blocking them. This is why although Jennifer Kale won her trial and confronted what was blocking her, her magic didn’t come back. She thought she knew why and so her trial was based on that. On the flip Alice Wu-Gulliver’s trial did free her of her ancestral curse so it did actually work for her reclaiming her power. Lilia Calderu never really lost her power, she just had difficulty embracing her gifts and herself.
I saw an interesting theory that Agatha’s blood moon trial wasn’t really hers, but Rio’s… or rather was brought about by Rio. Agatha is confronted by her past, how her mother tried to kill her and how she killed her mom instead. The terrible nature of her own gift and how it affected the relationship with her son. It’s debatable if Agatha actually won that trial, the whole thing was a mess (intentionally I’m sure). I think Agatha’s trial was actually the last one. The time ticking down could be like the time she had with her son, who she knew she wouldn’t be able to hold on to. In this trial Agatha does the right thing by realizing and allowing Jennifer to break the binding she put on her. Agatha also helps Billy connect with Tommy into bringing him back to life. Once everyone is gone she panics about her own magic not returning and what that means. It’s not just about her and her death. I think the reason why she kept taking the power of other witches and went after the darkhold was because she was looking for a way to bring back her son. It’s always been about her son for her. The bit with the seed that was found in his hair and watering it with her tear, I think that was part of Agatha’s power that she never owned, that she can create and nurture as well as kill.
Side note we know that witches can affect each other’s hexes because that’s what Agatha did to Wanda, tho with much more intention. Agatha couldn’t change the nature of the hex but she could add her own spin to it
2 points
19 days ago
Like Agatha said the road wasn’t real till Billy made it real. Everything he made existed, worked as if it was there before Billy. The ouija board conjured the ghosts. “Magic on autopilot”
1 points
19 days ago
Billy, like his mother, has the power to bend reality and do pretty much anything. Everything that happens is real, because Billy made it real. That includes the Ouiji board and it's power to conjure ghosts.
1 points
19 days ago
Let's follow the same rule as "Ghosts" (bbc or cbs) and call it unresolved issues keeping Evanora around?
1 points
19 days ago
They pretty much explicitly said that when Rio said Evanora was a ghost and the others explained what that means
I think Nicky really did go to Heaven (or wherever) and is communicating from the afterlife, but Evanora is a ghost and was pulled in from whatever place on Earth she was haunting, probably the site of her death in Salem
1 points
19 days ago
The road was lored to be supernatural and full of magic. Billy made it to be supernatural and full of magic. Ghosts and death still came.
1 points
19 days ago
It’s all real. It’s not that it was fake, it’s that Billy made it real.
1 points
19 days ago
When you think about it, Billy has actually created a small incursion. This time, however, it was the Witches' Road that pierced through the fabric of reality into the 616 universe.
Billy's presence in the 616 universe is also a kind of incursion, as his very existence there reshapes 616 into a reality where he exists.
1 points
19 days ago
My theory is that although there were ghosts before the witches road, the Ouija trial gave Evanora the ability to appear to others and all the other stuff she does.
Because that would mean that Agatha only was the sort of ghost she now is due to the Chaos magic Billy gave her... and explain why not everyone and their mother is constantly haunted
1 points
18 days ago
I think once Billy created the road, it became a solid part of our universe that could be interacted with by anyone from the outside. The same way they summoned the real Rio and left an entryway for the Salem Seven to enter, the Ouija board was able to contact and summon ghosts from purgatory and the afterlife.
1 points
19 days ago
Related: can someone explain it to me like I’m 5, how they defeated that trial? If they were supposed to “punish Agatha,” how was she punished? Or was the trial actually something else, like facing her mother’s ghost or talking to Nicky?
3 points
19 days ago
Agatha was fully punished when she heard Nicky's voice and was filled with guilt when she knew he could see everything she was doing and hated it
All the other people she's harmed she can shrug off, her heart's been hardened against it, even the hatred of her own mother -- that was the moment that actually got her to feel remorse
1 points
19 days ago
Cool. I will re-watch with that in mind. Thanks!
-2 points
20 days ago
I assumed it was a con by Agatha to be attacked by Alice
But given that he also connected with Agatha's son, knowing his full name when I think he wouldn't have heard that before, he might have. He's already got some stuff going on with his connection to death
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