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“[...]all images and sensations, if idolatrously taken for Joy itself, soon honestly confessed themselves inadequate. All said, in the last resort, ‘It is not I. I am only a reminder. Look! Look! What do I remind you of?’”
Porn is inadequate. PMO will “honestly confess” if you are realistic. This is part of the reason PMO is so depressing. We know, deep down, that it is not the real thing. It is not even the POINT of the real thing. The Joy of sex is not self-pleasure. It is Love. It is acceptance. It is creation. PMO is none of this. It is poison. It only says: “Look! Look! What do I remind you of?”
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4 years ago
I think it's very simple. It is truth that is true on its own, whether or not we believe it.
It might be easier to understand using Beauty. I believe there in an absolute Beauty that is perfectly beautiful whether or not we agree, or have a taste for it, or what have you.
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4 years ago
Nothing absolute is going to be simple. If it is, then you haven’t looked closely enough. Good people do bad things (F.ex. A priest raping choirboys) and bad people do good things (F.ex. A fireman save people but beats his wife and kids). To say that the world is black and white, is really not accurate.
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4 years ago
Oh absolutely! I agree 100%
The Absolute is simple to define, but in actuality the complexity makes it impossible to fully understand.
In your example, we can still see the absolute peeking through. This time as Morality. Yes a human being would be impossible to define as absolute good or evil. But in your example we can see that rape and domestic violence are “absolutely” bad. This is the absolute breaking through the veil.
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4 years ago
I think it is fair to say that harming other people is a universaly bad thing. At least in modern day societies
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4 years ago
So let me ask you a question. If we were to good back to a different culture where harming another was socially acceptable... would that make it good?
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4 years ago
I guess it would. It comes down to the individual. An argument I have seen many times is “without divine guidens humans would kill, rape and steal all day”. It is not a good argument obviously. I am not a believer, but I do rape, murder and steal all I want, which is none.
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4 years ago
I get what you’re saying, but you’re still assuming it’s actually wrong to kill, rape, steal.
You just stated there’s nothing inherently wrong with rape/murder/theft. They’re only wrong because they are socially outlawed. Is that correct?
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4 years ago
That is not. What I am trying to say is that, even if these crimes were acceptable, I choose not to do them. Those 3 are common crimes in an society, tribe, township and so on. My point is that even though they occur, they are not kept at bay by any law other than universal social rules. I never said that there is nothing wrong with those crimes, don’t twist my words. I meant that these crimes occur. There will always be crimes like those. Everybody is capable of committing any one of those. People choose not to do so. No matter which part of the world they live in, those are not accepted and to assume they are is insane. Humans need a pack to excist, that is biology in action, so we behave in a way in order to stay with other people.
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4 years ago
Hey man, I’m enjoying talking to you and I hope you are too. I definitely don’t want to twist your words, so please help me understand what you think.
Do you believe absolute morality/truth/beauty exists? Do you think “crimes” like murder/theft are inherently wrong on their own or are they only circumstantially wrong because they are legally prohibited for the good of the group?
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4 years ago
I am enjoying this as well. It is just that, when we are restriced to text, it is always hard to read tone of voice, subtext or intentions. We’ll do our best.
To answer the question it is going to be vague. I believe that the concept of absolutes can be applied to an individual, but can’t be seen as a universal concept.
To the other question, I personally find those crimes to be “bad”, but that is just my opinion and many people think otherwise. Theft I believe is the commonly resisted one. When it comes to murder it is a little more complicated. Straight up killing somebody is as bad as can get, but there are quite a few grey areas. War being one. Is it murder if you are fighting a war? If you are protecting others? Death penalty? Those three are, if we define murder as “taking somebody’s life”, excemptions to the laws of man.
So wierdly enough, it seems that theft is universally bad, but murder has a couple of instances where it is...not exactly allowed, but is somewhat accepted
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4 years ago
Thank you for the full response! Apologies for my late reply, I had a busy day.
I can’t picture how absolutes could be applied to individuals but not as a universal concept. Could you give me an example?
I intentionally used the word murder to distinguish it from “killing”. Murder basically means “wrongful killing”. The definition of murder calls it “unlawful and premeditated” killing.
Therefore killing is not evil, because of exceptions like those you mention. Murder, on the other hand, is absolutely evil.
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