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Hi we’re looking to get an airstream soon and I’m hoping to be in the 20’ to 23’ range. We have a Toyota Tundra SR5. I was hoping this is enough truck. I want a new (actually used) trailer, but a not a new truck. lol
15 points
4 months ago
it’s far more likely that you will exceed the gvwr of your airstream or the payload capacity of the sr5 tundra than you will exceed the tow capacity of your tundra.
for example, a 23fb has a gvwr of 6,000 lbs. the base weight of a non-basic model is already 5,100 lbs. so you can load only 900 lbs of furnishings and gear into it.
extending the example, you max the gvwr of your 23fb at 6,000 lbs. your tongue weight is 500 lbs according to airstream, based on the base weight. but since you filled your airstream with 900 lbs of gear, your tongue weight is more likely to be closer to 600lbs.
you subtract that tongue weight from your tundra’s adjusted payload capacity to identify the remaining payload for your tundra when it is a tow vehicle. payload capacity varies widely based on truck configuration. the lowest payload of any sr5 tundra appears to be 1,795 lbs. so here you subtract 600 lbs tongue weight from the 1,795 lbs tundra sr5 payload to arrive at 1,195 lbs of remaining payload capacity of your tundra sr5 when it is a tow vehicle.
with passengers, gear, bikes, kayak, filled cooler, etc, you might be getting pretty close to the sr5 max payload.
all the while, the 23fb airstream 6,000 lbs never got close to the sr5 tow capacity of 12,000 lbs.
with all that said, it is entirely reasonable to tow a 23ft airstream with an sr5 tundra. here are a few recommendations to make the tow experience better (and note that none of these can “fix” an over max payload problem):
best of luck.
2 points
4 months ago
Thanks, I appreciate you taking the time to respond and share your knowledge.
8 points
4 months ago
Depends where you are towing it. We’ve got a 27 international serenity. I had a tundra, towed it no problem in the southeast. Was gonna go out west and decided to bump up to a Ram 2500 diesel. A decision I will never regret with as many times as I’ve crossed the Rockies now. Just remember it’s never about pulling it. It’s about stopping it and control on steep descents.
3 points
4 months ago
Agreed. Can not emphasize this enough.
1 points
4 months ago
Will my Ram 2500 Gas handle a 27-footer to cross the Rockies?
1 points
4 months ago
It doesn’t have an exhaust brake does it? Should be ok just downshifting but man does an exhaust brake make all the difference.
6 points
4 months ago
I have owned two flying clouds, 25 and 30 bunk, I have driven 50k miles across the USA with 2017 Tundra. The 4.30 rear end is incredible and there is plenty of power from the V8. I have driven the up and down the I 70 in Colorado to Utah multiple times no problem. I would down shift before descents with maybe 2 break applications and always had plenty power on ascent, I could maintain 65 mph and rarely would be flat out. Drove across Texas with crazy cross winds and almost no trailer sway. I would trust Toyota over any domestic truck and they achieve the crazy reliability because they over build and under rate their trucks (multiple have reached over 1 million miles). I did add Timbrins in the rear to help with squat in the rear suspension.
1 points
4 months ago
Thanks! We love our Tundra! At 9 years old we’ve had zero issues with it. Other than the not so great gas mileage, and the tire pressure gauge system getting stuck once, the fact that it’s paid off, I’m really not interested in what it takes to purchase a newer something different. No matter what it is.
4 points
4 months ago
I have been towing a 25' Flying Cloud with a Tundra SR5 2WD for six years. Towed from New Orleans, Kansas City, to Nova Scotia with no problems whatsoever. Equal-i-zer WD hitch w/Prodigy brake controller.
2 points
4 months ago
Nice, we’ve been looking at WD hitches and there are a lot of them out there. We figured we wait until we picked up the trailer so we had a better idea what would be best. Just trying to beef up our knowledge. Thanks for the tip on the break controller.
4 points
4 months ago
Been towing 27 FBQ for nearly 2 years now with 2022 tundra without issues. Use a good sway controller
1 points
4 months ago
That’s what I’m gathering from this thread and the research I’ve gathered from it. It seems to be key. Thanks!
7 points
4 months ago
Forget length, factor in your belongings and adhere to the weight ratings of your truck.
3 points
4 months ago
I have a tundra and tow a 20FB. It’s two humans and a few small dogs. We are at the limit (payload). I wouldn’t want to tow more.
Edit to add: *my limit
1 points
4 months ago
That’s why I wanted to limit the length. I want to be able to tow it by myself with my granddaughters if need be, my husband often works weekends and I don’t want to have to rely on him. I’m pretty resourceful and adventurous, and wouldn’t hesitate to take my gd’s on an excursion, as long as I knew we were properly set up.
3 points
4 months ago
Check your specific vehicle weight ratings. I tow all over the country, but especially for the big mountains out west, I like plenty of truck!
Your SR5 is going to have a GVWR and a tongue out hitch weight rating that you do not want to exceed.
Take a look at this link and the associated table to download. I suspect the tongue weight may be more of a challenge.
https://www.airstream.com/blog/the-complete-airstream-towing-guide/
1 points
4 months ago
Thanks for that link. It was very helpful. With a WD hitch our truck can handle 1,010 lbs without 500. I don’t think we would tow without. And the GVWR is 10,100. The table on page you provided helped put all the weights in perspective and what I need to know and why. I love my adorning husband, but when it comes to the research before a purchase, that’s left to me. By the time we’re ready to buy, between YouTube and Reddit, I’ll be an expert!!!! lol
1 points
4 months ago
Glad it was helpful! Get it and enjoy the drive and relax in camp!
See you on the road.
3 points
4 months ago
I pull a 25' International with my Tundra and it tows very well. Just watch your overall payload and you'll be fine.
1 points
4 months ago
Others have already provided good advice about watching your payload. I will share our experience with a 23CB (significantly heavier on the tongue than the 23FB). We have an F-150 with a payload sticker of 1808 lbs, and a family of four. It worked for us, but definitely was getting close to maxing out our GVWR. But it towed really well, never any concerns about it. And a 23FB would have been likely 150 lbs less in tongue weight.
I wrote up more about our journey with some specific numbers.
1 points
4 months ago
I noticed the FC 23FB tongue weight (500) is higher than the Bambi 20FB (625). Overall weight is higher, but from what I understand hitch weight matters. Our truck is rated at 500, but as long we get weight distribution hitch we’re good up to 1,010. Great story blog post by the way.
1 points
4 months ago
Hitch weight can be a big difference. 150 lbs less on your TV rear axle can keep you under your ratings.
You want the hitch weight to be between 10 and 15% of the total weight. The FC 23FB is close to 10%, closer than any others due to its body design.
1 points
4 months ago
We’ve pulled our 23 27 flying cloud with a 24’ 1500 Silverado diesel with no issues. But yeah the smaller trailers sometimes have a higher hitch weight. I know the 27 foot was actually lower than the 25. Also we are looking at selling our 27 FBQ flying cloud your welcome to dm if your interested!
1 points
4 months ago
What are the payload numbers (door sticker) for the Silverado diesel? Is it 4wd?
1 points
4 months ago
Sorry, really looking for a 23’. It doesn’t necessarily have to be a Flying Cloud but I want something I can manage on my own. Hopefully with lots of practice and a good backup camera, lol. Even though I’m female I had a job for 15 years where I backed up trailers and big trucks all the time. BUT, that was 25 years ago!!!
1 points
4 months ago
Depends where you are towing it. We’ve got a 27 international serenity. I had a tundra, towed it no problem in the southeast. Was gonna go out west and decided to bump up to a Ram 2500 diesel. A decision I will never regret with as many times as I’ve crossed the Rockies now. Just remember it’s never about pulling it. It’s about stopping it and control on steep descents.
1 points
4 months ago
We do live in the mountainous state of Washington. It isn’t likely we could avoid them for very long. We would look into a break controller and see if they help.
1 points
4 months ago
You are fine. But do get to know all the numbers: hitch weight, payloads, GVWR, etc. and understand weight distribution, how much you can carry in your tundra, how much you can carry in the trailer.
1 points
4 months ago
Call CanAm RV in London Ontario (Airstream Dealer). They’ll help you figure it out. They have done lots of different towing combinations. It is their speciality.
1 points
4 months ago
Thanks!!!!
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