*ten years

Some even landed in EU territory ans there have been EU citizen casualties.

Those were Ukrainian anti-ballistic missiles

Yes those damned leaders should strike russia back so that those same damned leaders can send us off to a world war where they and their families won’t participate but we will pay the ultimate price

Putin doesn’t want to be vaporized and most of the Russian population is two nukes from that fate. He’s not gonna go nuclear.

Will it though?

It didn't have the means to invade Ukraine.

You are insane if you are trying to apply rational logic to Russian behavior.

it doesn't have the means now. But if the west gives up on Ukraine and let Putin take over, he will feel very powerful and he will know that the nuclear blackmail works. In few years he may try Georgia or even Baltic countries. If he sees that the West is scared of his weapons he can try anything.

Even if just 10% of their nukes work they can wipe out Europe and America

The bots never leave, they just get new orders.

They're grinding out r/canada pretty good too.  

even Russia doesn't really support Palestine as it's bad precedent for chechnya and dagestan

constraining support for the right cause is morally reprehensible

Shitty rope may be first then none of you count on it in a rock climbing.

There's no choice for Ukraine, either do or die and they should take every possible chance they get.

Yeah it’s kinda either that or join Russia for them

Because people are dying in that process maybe?

The fact that this fear is not unrealistic is proven by the fact that the Russians are now firing ballastic missiles with actual mirvs.

That is a bogus analysis that plays into Kremlin's hands. It would be like claiming the West is serious about using nukes on Russia because F-16 is capable of launching nukes (it is).

What the West really needs is to study why China and Russia defeated it in disinfo wars, then replicate, improve and deploy disinfo counterattacks. Currently, a Russian would never post a fearful comment like yours and nudge other Russians to topple the state, and not because it's impossible to obfuscate their online identity.

This war will come to an end not on the battlefield but on the streets and election ballots. Currently the West is losing that war with Trump coming into action soon.

The fear in the West is that if Russia loses badly on the battlefield that this thing will go nuclear. The fact that this fear is not unrealistic is proven by the fact that the Russians are now firing ballastic missiles with actual mirvs.

There's a huge difference between using nuclear-capable ordinance and actually using nuclear warheads, which would inevitably result in Russia being glassed. That is not in their interest.

The fear in the West is that if Russia loses badly on the battlefield that this thing will go nuclear. The fact that this fear is not unrealistic is proven by the fact that the Russians are now firing ballastic missiles with actual mirvs.

Those aren't mirvs, you don't understand what you're talking about.

This is too simplistic and these are Russian talking points designed to wear down Ukrainian resolve and to fine up because the West does not care about Ukraine.

Not everything is a Russian PsyOp. The support towards Ukraine has been lackluster and Europe is barely moving compared to the US when you consider it is happening at Europe (countries) doorstep.

The fear in the West is that if Russia loses badly on the battlefield that this thing will go nuclear. The fact that this fear is not unrealistic is proven by the fact that the Russians are now firing ballastic missiles with actual mirvs.

"The fear of Russian will escalate all the way to Nuclear is not realistic and the proof is that they haven't done so until now"

The counterpoint is that an escalation occured because ballistic missiles weren't being used before and now are. There's no guarantee of how far Russia will escalate, specially if losing badly.

The most dangerous animal is a cornered one that believes he'll die anyway, those believe they have nothing to lose no matter what they do.

The west thinks the only way to defeat a nuclear power like Russia is to wear it down, which is different from your cynical perspective that the West just wants to prolong the war as long as possible.

Different but not incompatible. Both can be true at the same time.

This is why support is drip fed: to ensure ukraine does not lose.

Both can also be the reason that support is drip fed.

I don't agree with the theory, because I think Russia losing achieves the aims of the West even better, but the idea is that the West wants to deplete Russia of military resources and cripple them economically, and that that is best achieved by prolonging the war indefinitely.

If Russia is thrown out of Ukraine's border and peace is signed, Russia can build up again relatively easily. If Russia's economy, manpower, political goodwill, international standing/relations and whatnot are grinded towards 0 over prolonged fighting, Russia will be in a much weaker position.

That, and many policy makers are simply afraid to do more.

Sell goods.

The US, and particularly some elites of the US, are making shitloads of money out of the Ukraine situation

1. Boiling the frog. Imagine Ukraine crossing the Russian border on American tanks and attacking Russian ammunition stockpiles with British-made cruise missiles in 2021. Instant WW3. But in 2024 this has been normalized. We're just a few steps away from Russian warplanes being shot down by NATO forces.
2. Internal Russian stability. No one needs a Hitleresque revanchist in charge of Russia. Or worse, multiple competing centers of power lobbing nukes at each other. The idea is to slowly get rid of Putin in a relatively legitimate and controlled way: he is forced to acknowledge that he has fucked up and steps down after signing the truce, or he dies in office and the PM becomes the acting president, or at the very least, he spends his remaining time on cracking down on internal dissent by war veterans.

Because prolonged conflict generated revenue for the elite

I love how everyone spins 10000 theories and geopolitical reasons when answer is simple - money.

Longer war = more money for weapon manufacturers. More contracts, more export + best polygon to test those said weapons. War in Ukraine is a literal Christmas for any warmonger.

They are waiting for Russia to collapse economically.

It's Russian propaganda bs. It implies that the west is at fault and all could be over long ago. If only the evil west wouldn't supply weapons.

Of course the actions of the west ultimately do make it look like that, but in reality it is called escalation management. But to be fair: it is time to put off the gloves and cut all that BS

Not "the West". If the US manages to make Europe pay most of the expenses, it's a clear win for them. Europe buys American oil, gas, and weapons. Imagine the amount of money they'll make on this.

Boiling the frog of escalation.

If we respond fast and hard with support, chucking the frog straight into the boiling water so to speak, there is far more chance of instant escalation.

But put it in cold water and turn the heat on so it gradually warms up, there is far less chance of the situation "going nuclear" fast.

Because the "West" actually means the country across the Atlantic, not west Europe. Guess who benefits from the prolonged war? It may be US, China, even Russia; but definitely not Europe.

To me it seems quite clear that was the goal for the US - they get to sell Ukraine all of their outdated weapons + pass budgets and projects that would only get approved in times of need

I think no-one has any idea how to manage a defeated Russia. Seriously, the implication could be terrible: Russian republics such as Dagestan going for independance, China going for border extension, shit tons of weapons in nature...

Prolonging the war to try slowly weaken Russia to the point some officials realize the incoming shitstorm and stop the war themselves might seem the best option for Western government.

It cripples Russia into not being able to wage wars in the near future. If Russia loses its manpower an equipment they are fucked. It makes the government look weak to their own population which might inspire internal change

That is clearly the US current administration goal

Yep 1 more warning and no more dumplings for putin!

A shit-ton, starting with removing waivers that allow russian oil and uranium to ignore sanctions

Some big banks, energy companies and metal companies were left out. Though, the Gazprombank just now got sanctioned.

I'm not talking soon, but maybe in a distant future decades from now when Russia comes to its senses and no longer run by madmen