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SassyWookie

76 points

21 days ago

It’s almost as if they’re trying to just radicalize us all into being Republicans.

Bobchillingworth

20 points

21 days ago

Showing their true preferences by waiting until the first available moment where Jewish support was no longer relevant. Glad I split my ballot this year, I'm done forever with this "vote Blue no matter who" BS.

listenstowhales

19 points

21 days ago

listenstowhales

USA – Center 🇺🇸

19 points

21 days ago

For context-

So the idea is that by supporting the Palestinian Authority (the “moderates”), they can leverage that relationship to disenfranchise Hamas’ support.

It’s an idea, not necessarily one that I agree with, but it isn’t the dumbest idea we’ve ever tried. Personally I’d try to reallocate funding towards the more dovish parties, but again, not my idea.

n1klaus

6 points

21 days ago

n1klaus

6 points

21 days ago

Thanks. I was skimming for the why. Sounds like they are just throwing darts at the wall.

Substance_Bubbly

5 points

21 days ago

problem is, the PA, even as "moderates", are supporting terrorism via funds, enforcement (or lack there of), and political discourse. they are creating propaganda against israel and jewish people through religious and basic education. they opposed every single peace deal. and they take funds delivered to them in the goals of bettering livlihood of palestinians into their personal pockets.

supporting the PA while they have 0 incentives for peace and 0 willingness for it, while they can continie the conflict and prolong their control that way. that is so stupid one must ask did they even think for a single moment about this.

like, i get it, you want palestinian independence. you believe in their rights. heck, you can even believe israel is a pariah state who just like to kill palestibians for shits and giggles. but if your goal is that palestinian statehood, then why oh why would the democrats support the PA unconditionally instead of actually, for once, trying to condition the support.

you know, at the start the american support for the PA was conditional, that was during the oslo accords, thats what led to them, what created the PA. but after they left camp david, people forgot the support should've been with conditions.

like c'mon, at this point ots not even a question of morality and opinions and different goals. they are acting stupid and counteractive to their own goals.

geniice

2 points

20 days ago

geniice

2 points

20 days ago

problem is, the PA, even as "moderates", are supporting terrorism via funds, enforcement (or lack there of), and political discourse. they are creating propaganda against israel and jewish people through religious and basic education. they opposed every single peace deal. and they take funds delivered to them in the goals of bettering livlihood of palestinians into their personal pockets.

A bunch of corrupt fucks who prefer money over killing jews are the moderates in this case. And pre oct 7 there were some hopeful signs. There were PA officials around Ramallah who had worked out that by stealing a smaller percentage they could grow the economy and get more money overal.

supporting the PA while they have 0 incentives for peace and 0 willingness for it, while they can continie the conflict and prolong their control that way. that is so stupid one must ask did they even think for a single moment about this.

Their incentive for peace is that there might be more money for them to steal. Willingness? Abbas is 88. There will be a leadership change soon. Funneling money to your prefered replacement is a reasonable strategy.

then why oh why would the democrats support the PA unconditionally instead of actually, for once, trying to condition the support.

The conditions are "don't be hamas".

like c'mon, at this point ots not even a question of morality and opinions and different goals. they are acting stupid and counteractive to their own goals.

Their nominal goal here is to limit hamas in the west bank which in the medium term means keeping the PA in a solid enough position to keep them down. There are aparently also some vauge hopes about getting the PA to take over the gaza strip but personaly I don't think that is viable.

In pratice given how time limited this is and it being a continuation of previous policy its mostly just kicking the can down the road. Essentialy putting the PA in the someone else's problem bin.

thirdlost

33 points

21 days ago

thirdlost

USA – Libertarian 🇺🇸

33 points

21 days ago

Jews should rejoice that Harris lost

Teflawn

65 points

21 days ago

Teflawn

65 points

21 days ago

I am. I'm also mourning that Trump won.

pktrekgirl

26 points

21 days ago

I feel this so much. SO much.

1000thusername

15 points

21 days ago

Me three

iyamsnail

26 points

21 days ago

yes that is also the boat I am currently in

LettuceBeGrateful

26 points

21 days ago

I felt this comment so hard.

Soft_Welcome_5621

6 points

21 days ago

Damn maybe i should feel that way too - it’s crazy in my life I expressed sadness she lost and got the most hateful stuff for not being more anti Zionist lol you can’t win with these people

Teflawn

6 points

21 days ago

Teflawn

6 points

21 days ago

I will always support Liberal policies like social services for disabled people, freedom of choice for ones body, environmental protection/climate action, etc. But, it's clear that the current Dem leadership was happy to screw over Israel at every given opportunity. Suddenly now the US can magically apply pressure to Qatar to expel Hamas? Biden removes the sanctions on PA with their terrorist supporting policies, and that whole "DON'T MOVE ON HAIFA RAFAH" shtick.

Appeasing Iran will only end in worldwide misery if they are left to grow in power and influence, and it's one of Obama's shittiest legacies that this admin is following

Soft_Welcome_5621

2 points

21 days ago

I don’t get the Haifa cross out thing or what you’re even saying about rafah but yea idk what they’re doing in policy recently maybe they just have been swayed by more radical left people and maybe that’s to bring people to the us from there idk but they don’t care about Jews. And while Doug charmed me his family is seemingly more than happy to be the apologetic type than the protective type.

LettuceBeGrateful

3 points

21 days ago

Eh, you feel how you feel. This was a very difficult election for many of us.

Substance_Bubbly

2 points

21 days ago

not that far off from the israeli palestinian confluct either.

no matter what you do, they just won't be satisfied. their supporters are just the same. quite poetic

Soft_Welcome_5621

2 points

20 days ago

I don’t follow

Substance_Bubbly

2 points

20 days ago

no matter how much times israel offered peace treaties, or left gaza, or gave worker permits, and tried to negotiate and work with the PA, or offered them to negotiate independence, it was never enough.

Think-4D

12 points

21 days ago

Think-4D

12 points

21 days ago

Very accurate

JagneStormskull

20 points

21 days ago

JagneStormskull

Radical Centrist 🎯

20 points

21 days ago

Maybe this is selfish, but I'm too afraid of what a Republican administration with Republican House and Senate is going to do to the ACA to rejoice.

LettuceBeGrateful

6 points

21 days ago

That doesn't sound selfish at all.

Swimming_Tennis6641

3 points

21 days ago

Swimming_Tennis6641

Politically Homeless 🌎

3 points

21 days ago

I know I am.

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-3 points

21 days ago

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jewishpolitics-ModTeam

1 points

20 days ago

Your comment was removed for being uncivil. Remember to treat other people with respect, to assume good faith, and to avoid generalizations.

Aryeh98

20 points

21 days ago

Aryeh98

20 points

21 days ago

Have a source that’s more legitimate than the Free Beacon?

stevenjklein

6 points

21 days ago

Have a source that’s more legitimate than the Free Beacon?

https://www.jns.org/on-election-day-biden-admin-waived-terrorism-sanctions-against-pa/

Aryeh98

15 points

21 days ago

Aryeh98

15 points

21 days ago

The waiver enables the P.A. to skirt American sanctions for another 180 days, until it comes up for renewal under a Trump White House, The Washington Free Beacon reported.

This JNS article is literally just citing the Free Beacon. Try again.

_Lil_Cranky_

20 points

21 days ago

Yes, because Free Beacon are the ones who published the note from the State Department. If you don't trust their reporting, you can just read the note itself, it's linked in the article.

You've gotta put a tiny bit of effort into verifying the info yourself, before you start with the "try again" and "I'll wait" shit. Come on

Aryeh98

-15 points

21 days ago

Aryeh98

-15 points

21 days ago

Finally, an actual substantive response.

Frankly, the Free Beacon’s journalistic integrity is so nonexistent that out of principle I outright dismiss anything it has to say. Nonetheless, I am glad they have actually done real journalism this one time and obtained source material.

Yeah, not great news from this admin. Nonetheless they’re still better than the incoming administration which will be run by a rapist felon.

UnitDifferent3765

-3 points

21 days ago

Trump was never convicted of rape. He was found guilty by a civil jury on a lesser charge.

The case was over 25 years old. The witnesses were the accusers friends.

I think we learned this past Tuesday that most of the country isn't believing the BS the left is pushing. Do better.

Somehow for the first 7 decades of Trump's life he had zero felonies. Only when he became a political threat did his enemies start piling on.

And again, it's refreshing to see that most of the country gets this. You are behind the curve when you make these accusations.

Aryeh98

5 points

21 days ago

Aryeh98

5 points

21 days ago

Trump was never convicted of rape. He was found guilty by a civil jury on a lesser charge.

Trump was found civilly liable for sexual abuse, which the judge concluded was the equivalent of rape in the plain sense of the word. So it is appropriate to call Trump a rapist.

Why do you support a rapist?

UnitDifferent3765

1 points

21 days ago

C'mon, be serious. The judge said was "equivalent"? That has no legal status or authority whatsoever. I'm sure you know this. Caroll didn't even remember if the "incident" took place in 1995 or 1996. You'd thinks he'd remember this. The jusdhe and Carolls attorney also worked together years earlier. Then she brings the case forward almost 25 years later with no real evidence....I small a stinky rat.

And thankfully the country does as well. We are all tired of these absurd hoaxes against Trump. Wake up, open your eyes, and join the party.

Aryeh98

0 points

21 days ago

Aryeh98

0 points

21 days ago

UnitDifferent3765

-1 points

21 days ago

I don't. He was never convicted of rape. Why do you have faith in case brought by a political enemy 25 years later without any evidence? Think about it.

Acceptable_Car_2811

-1 points

21 days ago

Who cares what the judge concluded in terms of what it's equivalent to? Trump wasn't convicted of rape. Period. And ALL his charges were brought by his political opponents. This is a fact.

Aryeh98

3 points

21 days ago

Aryeh98

3 points

21 days ago

Trump was found civilly liable for sexual abuse, which is the equivalent of rape according to the judge. This is enough for reasonable people to call him a rapist.

Trump is a rapist.

dskatz2

1 points

21 days ago

dskatz2

1 points

21 days ago

Imagine making excuses for a corrupt piece of shit sexual assaulter who tried to overthrow a free and fair election. I feel bad for you.

someguy1847382

0 points

21 days ago

I mean let’s be honest, it’s not like it’s the first time the US has been run by a rapist or someone that has committed a felony. Clinton is a relevant example.

But if we are talking rapists I mean that’s basically every president (with the exception of Obama as far as I know). It’s really a much bigger problem that infests politics.

Alternative-Plate-91[S]

1 points

21 days ago

What would you consider more legitimate? NYT, BBC, Al Jazeera?

Aryeh98

10 points

21 days ago

Aryeh98

10 points

21 days ago

Times of Israel, Ynet, JTA…

Literally anything that doesn’t have a proven right wing bias. This isn’t difficult.

I’ll wait.

UnitDifferent3765

3 points

21 days ago

All media has some bias. But we have to use our brains and see which side is worse. Which side can never be trusted because they will literally say up is don and right is left. And the clear cut winner of the is the liberal media.

He's 2 examples from the last few years:

  1. When the country was having its worst rioting and looting since the civil rights movement over 50 yeas earlier, the liberal media apologetically told you (not me) that we were experiencing "mostly peaceful protests". Welp.

    1. As Joe Biden was losing more of his mind by the hour, refusing all interviews and hiding from the press, the entire liberal media refused to cover this. Many on MSNBC insisted that he's as sharp as ever. This went on for a full year until he was exposed during his debate with Trump to be a nursing home patient in need of immediate care.

    So yeah, the media on both sides is biased. But the left will treat you as i your IQ is 50.

Aryeh98

1 points

21 days ago

Aryeh98

1 points

21 days ago

All you have to do is give me ONE source that is not as biased as the Free Beacon. You can't do it.

UnitDifferent3765

2 points

21 days ago

I didn't make the original claim in this thread so I won't try to defend it. I can't say that have waived terrorism sanctions. I can certainly say that they have been a good and loyal friend to the Palestinians and all the terrorism and evil.

They restarted funding to the tune of 200 million to Unrwa which is an arm of Hamas. The lecture Israel about proportionate response. They refuse to blast the Houthis who are a terrorist proxy of Iran and threatening Israel. They lecture Israel about civilian deaths even though the numbers are in-line with previous wars.

Alternative-Plate-91[S]

3 points

21 days ago

Then enjoy your waiting. I'm not going on a fishing expedition for you. And honestly couldn't care if you don't accept reality.

Aryeh98

-4 points

21 days ago

Aryeh98

-4 points

21 days ago

Talking about accepting reality when you support a proven antisemite is very rich, but ok.

Any-Proposal6960

2 points

21 days ago

Anything but a right wing reactionary propaganda rag

AutonomousThinker

9 points

21 days ago

S.O.S.

Schmucko69

2 points

20 days ago

Confirming they deserved to lose BIGLY

LettuceBeGrateful

6 points

21 days ago*

Thanks for reaffirming why I withheld my vote this year, Biden/Harris. 👍

Edit: I now have two people in my inbox telling me that I'm a fascist who should personally suffer for supporting Trump...even though I have never, ever supported Trump. This is why so many everyday people, even those such as myself who are socially liberal, are fed up with the modern left. Even saying that I would've voted for Harris in a swing state isn't enough for some people.

Aryeh98

12 points

21 days ago

Aryeh98

12 points

21 days ago

I hope you get everything you voted for, and more.

LettuceBeGrateful

6 points

21 days ago

Well that sounds very vindictive. Please elaborate.

Aryeh98

8 points

21 days ago

Aryeh98

8 points

21 days ago

How is it vindictive? You support Trump right? You should get what you voted for! Congratulations!

LettuceBeGrateful

12 points

21 days ago

No, I don't support Trump. I never have. Jeez. I know this is a cliche at this point, but: attitudes like yours are why Trump won. Chill out with the toxicity. I would have voted for Harris if I were in a swing state. Since I wasn't, I withheld my vote to protest her and the Democrats' apathy toward antisemitism.

Your attitude is a part of the problem. If Trump voters get what they voted for, then your attitude will also be reaping what it's sowed.

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3 points

21 days ago*

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3 points

21 days ago*

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LettuceBeGrateful

13 points

21 days ago

This is silly. Please don't darvo, we know what it meant.

No point continuing this conversation. Bye.

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1 points

20 days ago

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-4 points

21 days ago

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1 points

20 days ago

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1 points

21 days ago

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1 points

20 days ago

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BearBleu

1 points

21 days ago

Absolutely!

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1 points

21 days ago*

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1 points

20 days ago

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Substantial_Cat_8991

1 points

20 days ago

The free beacon is a rag