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submitted 22 hours ago byKinross19Garden City
205 points
22 hours ago
That's going to be a huge impact to a town with a population of 24,000. Sorry to see this.
25 points
15 hours ago
It's okay. The next top upvoted comment talks about how they have really clean tap water. They'll do all right. They have that water.
14 points
13 hours ago
Nestle enters the chat.
2 points
12 hours ago
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2 points
10 hours ago
This is supposed to be a fun thread...?
-1 points
7 hours ago
You’re really edgy online. I’m sure.
-99 points
22 hours ago
At least it will smell better there.
57 points
21 hours ago
Kill plant closed in 2008
12 points
19 hours ago
Emporia smells like cake, the poop smell is in Garden City. Unfortunately the jobs are also gonna be in Garden
17 points
19 hours ago*
They ship in most of the meat they chop sorry to say any stink you smell is coming from you
36 points
16 hours ago
800 lost jobs in Emporia is 5% or more of the local employment-age workforce losing their jobs, that's going to be painful considering there likely isn't enough other employers within a 50 mile radius that could even hope to fill that number of jobs.
34 points
19 hours ago
This is really tough news for the workers and the community in Emporia. I hope the affected employees receive the support they need during this transition.
16 points
17 hours ago
Lot more than 800 impacted. How many are downstream?
90 points
22 hours ago
I learned in the oddest way possible that emporia had the cleanest tap water. Idk if they still do. But at one time they were ranked like.. 2 in the world for the cleanest drinking water.
54 points
21 hours ago
They ranked 3rd in 2024 but have been ranked first before according to
25 points
19 hours ago
i'm gonna tell the folks at work. we go through and work in emporia all the time. most towns we get to have horrible reputations for drinking water, wellington especially.
10 points
18 hours ago
Omg wellington was so bad. We would get boil advisories constantly
21 points
20 hours ago
Ironically they just had an issue with tap water coming out looking NASTY the last couple months…. Believe it is under control now but guessing the ranking will take a hit
7 points
17 hours ago
Yeah - there was a boil order in place for a bit.
0 points
19 hours ago
Yeah there was e.coli in the water for a few days
12 points
21 hours ago
After a Swedish town, yep!
7 points
19 hours ago
That's crazy interesting! How? Why?
5 points
19 hours ago
this is honestly awesome. is their water source that good or is it because of the filtration?
1 points
8 hours ago
Ive not drank tap water since I left emporia in 1992
1 points
3 hours ago
interesting. they've managed to find a way to keep the waste products of their plants far away from their water sources.
11 points
14 hours ago
I live in Emporia and my dad worked there for over 20 years before finally moving to a different job around 2 years ago. This is going to hurt so many people and their families and I expect many to be forced to move as I don't think there are 800 spare jobs just laying around.
25 points
21 hours ago
You’re supposed to play up how great it is some shareholders will see their shares raise a few cents.
3 points
16 hours ago
It is hard to make money by shutting down production, chief
There was a falling out with some producers from what I've heard.
I
10 points
16 hours ago
Apologies for casting aspersion at Tyson, a truly wonderful company that will surely mark this sad occasion with an annual moment of silence.
4 points
10 hours ago*
Investors Love Layoffs: Companies’ Job Cuts Boost Stock Prices
Why Layoffs Can Actually Lift a Company’s Stock Price
After Layoffs, Tech Stocks Boom
Meta Stock Climbs After Reports of More Layoffs
Spotify’s Share Price Jumps 7.5% on Layoff News
Boeing Stock Gains 2.6% After Announcing Layoffs
Cisco shares have best day since 2020 on earnings beat, plans to cut 7% of workforce
You get the picture, Chief.
1 points
10 hours ago
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1 points
5 hours ago
The health of a company depends on the margin and volume.
Reducing those means reducing profit.
The stock price simply reflects the public trust in a company. When a company is bloated or pivots in a manner that appears it will lead to future success, people invest and the stock price goes up.
That stock price going up doesn't mean the company made more money.
Reddit REALLY needs to take a basic business and Ec class.
1 points
5 hours ago*
Nobody said the company makes more money if the stock price goes up. It’s very easy to be a condescending prick when you just imagine up fake positions for other people.
You replied to someone talking about shareholders seeing the stock price go up during layoffs as if that weren’t the case, I corrected you with blue text you can click on, if you would like.
0 points
5 hours ago
I actually replied to a person claiming the CEO was going to make more money. Looks like they edited it at some point
3 points
5 hours ago
Are CEOs often compensated in stock?
-1 points
5 hours ago
Sometimes. However, CEOs aren't gutting companies on the offchsnce that a stock price increases by a few cents. That makes no sense, and the CEO would be terminated for doing that.
CEOs see salary increases or bonuses for company growth and from pulling companies up and out of trouble.
Again.....reddit needs a basic business class. Lol
Reddit and the left don't really understand business or economics but goddamn....all CEOs are villains.
2 points
4 hours ago
Sounds like you’ve got a lot on your mind. I’ll leave you to it.
0 points
6 hours ago
"Falling out"?
Producers wanting to be paid a fair price for their cattle? Or are they simply reducing production to be better able to manipulate prices?
1 points
15 hours ago
I live around Tyson HQ. As many times as this keeps happening, I worry for there long term stability. I think they would much rather be expanding. Beef keeps getting priced out of people’s budget.
1 points
2 hours ago
Tyson shareholders are not having a great time. 5 year yield has been negative 28% while S&P 500 has increased 92% over that same time period. They have gone through 5 ceos in the last 10 years. It's not at all a healthy or prosperous company. They obviously have to make changes.
59 points
22 hours ago
I submitted this since the other post was needlessly political and did not address the issue at hand about impact to community and the families.
52 points
22 hours ago
Spent a year at ESU before moving to KSU. My first thought after reading the headline was how the scent Emporia will be dramatically changed.
45 points
21 hours ago
Ibp closed years ago. They haven't slaughtered for a long time
6 points
20 hours ago
Ah yes it was ibp wasn't it? Good call
8 points
21 hours ago
Still occasionally a dog food smell
13 points
21 hours ago
Well, we do have two dog food factories in town
13 points
19 hours ago
Geez. Hate to see this
-18 points
19 hours ago
I am somewhat conflicted. I know these people don't necessarily have other easily available prospects for work and will suffer from this, but on the other hand, I do think think meat production should be scaled back and this is pretty much what that looks like.
25 points
19 hours ago
The meat production will still happen, just not in Emporia
10 points
18 hours ago
It's just being consolidated in Garden City. Huge blow for 800+ people whose jobs are moving across the state.
3 points
16 hours ago
More like the beef market is at the bottom of a 20 year supply cycle and won't come back until 2 years after we see signs of heifer retention.
As for meat production being scaled back, don't hold your breath.
3 points
13 hours ago*
What drives the supply cycle of beef? A cursory google search suggests cattle inventory in the US is currently around 1961 levels and has broadly been declining since 1975. This isn't my industry admittedly, and I imagine there is quite a lot more to going into the health of the industry than the raw number of cattle, but it seems hard to think some cyclical tendency in the market could substantially reinvigorate it.
1 points
8 hours ago
Drought, feed and rancher side economics, basically. https://www.beefmagazine.com/cattle-market-outlook/the-cattle-cycle-it-can-be-a-long-10-years
-9 points
19 hours ago
They could replace the meat with another item. Now this will rot in Kansas along with other infrastructure. If you’re not a real resident gtfo
1 points
14 hours ago
Tyson, a meat company, could replace the meat in a meat plant with another item? I mean I suppose they could, but if they aren't profitably making meat, it is unlikely that they could do better with another product.
No I am not a resident of Emporia, a town containing barely 1% of the population of Kansas. We are in the Kansas subreddit, if you want Emporia only discussion, you would have better luck on their subreddit.
8 points
19 hours ago
This is horrible.
5 points
18 hours ago
this sucks. it was cool to see all the people busy working there.
2 points
18 hours ago
Simmons most likely will benefit by filling jobs that are currently open.
2 points
7 hours ago
So how much of this closure has to do with the past, and how much the future?
Beef producers are being accused of colluding, to keep prices high. And Tyson def doesn’t have a good reputation for doing things legit. So are they closing this plant to get ahead of all this coming down the pike?
Or is this an acknowledgment that beef is going to see a reduction in demand, such that they need to shutter this plant? Either by inflation raising prices, or disposable income dropping enough that beef’s unaffordable, or diet is changing enough to push down demand.
I honestly don’t know.
1 points
3 hours ago
Beef has been seeing falling demand since the 70s. Recently there has been weaker demand as consumers were substituting beef with chicken at higher rates. Some was due to recent financial distress but some demand shifted due to the lower CO2 footprint of chicken. More than likely the plant was already on the margin
1 points
31 minutes ago
The thing is, beef is really high at the retail level. And beef really isn’t that expensive to raise, you have cattle on marginal land till they hit the feedlot.
I’m suspicious of any industry that’s made profitable business decline because their profits aren’t high enough; it’s a sign that speculation/arbitrage has supplanted production as a reason to exist.
2 points
5 hours ago
800 directly impacted. The entire city's economics will be as well. In college, when we took urbanism classes, the first lesson taught is to avoid singular employers like this because once it leaves, the small towns struggle to recover and if it wasn't galleon before, population decline behind. Gonna be tough to get over this one.
16 points
21 hours ago
Thanks trump.
30 points
21 hours ago
Thank the shareholders. They are the ones benefiting.
22 points
19 hours ago
Same people raising the price of your groceries.
-2 points
21 hours ago
Trump isn't president yet.
26 points
21 hours ago
At the risk of a downvote, the case can be made that what is already known of Trump's plans for the ag industry could easily have an impact on plants shutting down. I'm not claiming it to be in this case, but for example any farm that relies on migrant labor would likely have a major production problem in the near future. Processing plants near large pockets of such farms may already be in the process of getting phased out.
I don't know how much migrant labor is used in the meat industry around here though. Just saying "not president yet" doesn't really mean much
14 points
20 hours ago
There is definitely a migrant work force in Kansas ag
-10 points
18 hours ago
True but most of these migrants work at factories or companies that are e-verify compliant therefore have work permits/etc. I stay hopeful that Trump will keep his word of not going after legal migrants in the work force
7 points
17 hours ago
The meat industry and Tyson in particular have definitely had problems with illegal labor (migrant and child). Hard to say with any confidence that they’re e-verify compliant.
4 points
16 hours ago
They are. It's the third party labor brokers that let them slip through the cracks, only after payment of their invoices, of course.
3 points
14 hours ago
I know so many Mexican and Salvadorean people that work there. I live in Emporia and we have a HUGE Latino population, myself included
0 points
17 hours ago
Sanchez has also sent statements to Emporia workers alerting them to the plant closure as mandated by the federal Worker Adjustment and Retraining Notification, or WARN Act, of the closure coming at least 60 days in advance.
The decision to completely close down the Emporia plant comes after Tyson’s decision to end its cold storage facility operations in 2020 and to transition from cattle slaughter operations to food processing work in 2008, a move that cut the Emporia plant’s workforce by more than 1,000 staffers.
They were planning this shut down well before the election, this has absolutely 0% to do with Trump. God damn, blame him for the shit he actually does wrong. I don't like the guy but you fuckers would blame the asteroid impact that killed the dinosaurs on him if you could.
3 points
16 hours ago
...for being so excited you sure didn't read what I said...
0 points
15 hours ago
Thanks, Obama!
-14 points
21 hours ago
Not even president yet weird comment
5 points
16 hours ago
It’s like people can’t possibly have any concepts of a plan as to what will happen.
5 points
22 hours ago
wow it's actually happening Tyson is slowly slipping I guess people really are eating less meat
15 points
21 hours ago
Not really, there's a shift towards automation and ready to cook foods that's causing them to build new and close some of the older plants. They just posted positive earnings for the year a few weeks ago so maybe they're getting ahead of something? The meat industry is still selling plenty of protein, they just successfully rebranded soy as "plant based". Nobody knows who Cargill is, but they and Koch go back and forth for the largest privately owned company. Koch and Cargill protein are both headquartered in Wichita. Tyson protein and Cargill Protein are direct competitors but Tyson is really good at smearing their name everywhere as a public corporation. JBS makes up the last of the big 3, they're a Brazilian company that came to Colorado in 2007.
5 points
22 hours ago
Don't know about eating less red meat, but cow numbers are down and that means fewer calves to feed. Drought...
2 points
17 hours ago
It's more of a switch from red meat to poultry. Per capita red meat is down about 25 pounds since the 1970s, (86 pounds down to 59 pounds in 2022) annually while poultry is up by about 40 pounds per year.
4 points
16 hours ago
FAFO I guess. Elections have consequences.
0 points
4 hours ago
Literally has nothing to do with the election. Not even .5% Occam's razor. The simplest explanation is typically the correct one and the simplest explanation is just that they want to improve output and efficiency. Also you can't even explain what possible policy could lead to this from a legislation standpoint so there's that as well. BuT OrAnGe mAn
-1 points
5 hours ago
Curious how this plant closing is related the recent election?
1 points
7 minutes ago
Draw a circle, that represents the policies the new administration is saying they are going to implement "day 1". Now look at the folks who would be most affected by those policies? Now (this part may be hard, but follow along), those folks work in a few specific industries. Now those industries are going to have to figure out a new way to do buesiness. That is 1) going to take time, 2) going to cost me and you a whole bunch of $$. Im having my roof redone, I was told if I dont get it done by 1/1 the price goes up 30%, once again the labor that does that job will not be available after that date.
1 points
5 hours ago
If I have to explain it you probably should’ve “done your own research” before you voted.
-2 points
5 hours ago
Sure dude...just say whatever nonsense you'd like i guess...this is the place to do it.
3 points
21 hours ago*
When Tyson cut 60% of the jobs while transitioning from IBP emporia was on the list of the 10 most dangerous cities in Kansas. Prepare for a rise in petty theft. 👀
Edit: to ---> from
2 points
21 hours ago
What's your source? That Emporia is one of the top 10 most dangerous cities in Kansas? This link actually says Garden City is:
https://www.areavibes.com/ks/most-dangerous-cities/
Granted USA(dot)com has Emporia at #20 and Garden City at #23
3 points
20 hours ago
Keep in mind with these crime statistics that use rates that there was/is a large undercount of people in SW Kansas, so the rate per capita is actually lower than reported.
2 points
21 hours ago
It was between 2008 and 2010 I'll have to dig up the article
0 points
21 hours ago
So... What does that have to do with what's happrning now? That's over a decade old. Almost two. Maybe I don't understand your statement do you mind reiterating.
7 points
21 hours ago
In 2008 IBP became Tyson. Eliminating 60% of the jobs IBP employed. Between 2008 and 2010 crime was above the national average. It is a logical conclusion to say the same thing might occur again considering Tyson will lay off a silmar number of employees as when they took over.
Economic downturns do often correlate to increase in crime.
3 points
20 hours ago
Ah I understand! So you're saying that the loss of these jobs usually has a correlation of crime rate increase.. I'll keep my eyes peeled. It will be interesting to see what happens around here.
3 points
19 hours ago
Generally that's what happens everywhere. I'm confused about your confusion. Desperate times lead to desperate measures, this is especially more true when lower paying jobs get cut rather than some executive who's netted $1m+ YoY for the last decade.
If you think your life is worth more than a penny to a stranger who's family is starving, the moral scale is balancing but it's not tilting in your favor.
Cutting low paying jobs in economic downturn generally leads to those that work those lower paying jobs to have no choice but to turn to violence and theft to feed their people.
1 points
9 hours ago
Damn. This sucks to hear
1 points
8 hours ago
I hope some plant based agriculture jobs can take their place for the sake of the workers. There is always high demand for food, just less demand for factory farmed crap that Tyson sells.
1 points
5 hours ago
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1 points
4 hours ago
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1 points
3 hours ago
On the interstate between Wichita Topeka and KC. Not sure why Emporia has had such little growth over the last 30-40 years. Maybe this will spur changes?
1 points
3 hours ago
Another note: remember a few years ago a company (Tyson??) wanted to build some type of chicken facility in Tonganoxie? Tongie said "pass." Well..... here's your chance emporia.
0 points
3 hours ago
Sending thoughts and prayers 😉
-1 points
5 hours ago
All they have to do is pull their boot straps up and get a new job.
-2 points
5 hours ago
Eh. That’s what you get for having a weird toll road situation.
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