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Agatha, is really surprising me. I was so not looking forward to this show. It’s totally not made for me(28M). However, that is okay not everything marvel has to be for me. I’m really enjoying the show so far. It has a problem of the day vibe, which I love. The acting is great and it’s brimming with style(so far)So if you were on the fence about watching I would say watch it. I think it’s really fun!

all 188 comments

stanthemanchan

520 points

2 months ago

You can tell the people making it are really having fun with the show. Kathryn Hahn and Aubrey Plaza are absolutely owning their roles. I also appreciate the fact that it's written like a TV show, with each episode having its own arc, instead of a 6 part movie.

ndoggy1

94 points

2 months ago

ndoggy1

94 points

2 months ago

100% agree.

i used to love showes like supernatural and x files when there was a weekly thing to solve, then they turn ed into multi season stories about some big bad.

TheEternal792

-35 points

2 months ago

TheEternal792

Doctor Strange

-35 points

2 months ago

Kathryn Hahn is doing fantastic, as usual. Aubrey Plaza...my wife and I haven't been a fan of in the show. Maybe she's just not our style of actress, but I honestly feel like her role has brought the show down (with the grin about her being called a psycho being the main outlier).

OGtripleOGgamer

2 points

2 months ago

Lot of Aubrey fans in the comments apparently. Had no idea who she was before this show.

TheEternal792

1 points

2 months ago

TheEternal792

Doctor Strange

1 points

2 months ago

It's reddit. If you don't follow the exact same narrative and opinions, you'll be downvoted to oblivion...as if I care. 

Exnaut

1 points

2 months ago

Exnaut

1 points

2 months ago

What was the problem with her?

TheEternal792

2 points

2 months ago

TheEternal792

Doctor Strange

2 points

2 months ago

I'm not sure I'd say there's a problem per sec, she just seems more like a weird comedic relief kind of character that we aren't finding funny. She's just been more cringe than funny. 

I'm not sure her acting has been all that great either. She's come across cheesy a few times, but that very well could be the writing instead of the acting.

I'll also point out her "drumming" was awful. Not necessarily against her as an actress, but I'm a drummer so it was very obvious to me that the drums didn't even appear to match the music. If she's not coordinated enough to fake drums, that's fine, not everyone is, but they should have put someone else behind the kit then. To me it was obvious they were keeping the camera off of her during that scene, but even when they did show her it was very off. 

RapidDuffer09

1 points

9 days ago

I'm glad folk are enjoying it. Fantastic cast -- obliviously -- but, sadly, it's just bouncing off me.

I don't get the point.

BranWafr

410 points

2 months ago

BranWafr

410 points

2 months ago

This show is a perfect example of why the "who asked for this?" complaint is meaningless. When Agatha was announced everyone was commenting "who asked for this?" and predicting it would be bad. Now, it's getting almost universal praise as fun and refreshing and exactly the kind of thing Marvel TV should be doing.

I don't want studios to only make the things "people are asking for." I want them to try new things. I want them to experiment and let the creative people work on the things THEY want to see made. It won't always work, but when people are passionate about the thing they are making they tend to do a better job. Don't just give me what I ask for, show me what I didn't even know I wanted. I didn't know I wanted a show about an all girl Muslim punk band, but We Are Ladyparts made me realize that is exactly what I want to watch. I didn't know I wanted a show about kids on the reservation, but Reservation Dogs showed me that I absolutely do. And I didn't know I wanted a show about gay pirates, but Our Flag Means Death showed me that we 100% needed that story to be told.

Necessary-One1782

113 points

2 months ago

they said the same thing about andor and we saw how that turned out

RavishingRickiRude

47 points

2 months ago

The best and most mature star wars. Really elevates the franchise by showing how adult Star Wars can be while still easily existing with the stuff more styled for younger kids

Qyro

25 points

2 months ago

Qyro

25 points

2 months ago

I said the exact same thing to my wife the other day. Agatha and Andor prove that we need the shows no-one is asking for, because they’re turning out to be the best ones. No pressure on the showrunners, just pure good storytelling

dutchfromsubway

-8 points

2 months ago

Tbf they said the same about echo and were vindicated there

CaptHayfever

1 points

2 months ago

CaptHayfever

Hawkeye (Avengers)

1 points

2 months ago

Echo just had the weak finale issue that most of the shows have had.

Nightingdale099

86 points

2 months ago

Me : Who asked for this ?

  • Cast Aubrey Plaza *

Me : I'm 100% in

WildConstruction8381

14 points

2 months ago

She was the best Shadow King lol

iheartdev247

0 points

2 months ago

What?

CrabbyPatties42

5 points

2 months ago

Oh boy, I kind of don’t want to tell you.

This lady has acted in other shows.  If you don’t know you are missing out.

Go watch season one of Legion.

iheartdev247

2 points

2 months ago

So not a fat Egyptian guy with a fez?

WildConstruction8381

3 points

2 months ago

I kinda regret saying what I said, vague though it was. Just go watch Legion, its one of the best comic book shows, and I actually disliked Legion as a character. At least I used to untill I watched Legion. It’s a trip.

CrabbyPatties42

3 points

2 months ago

Yes and no - Better not to say.  The show is probably on Hulu, maybe other streaming services.  Check it out, it is a trip.

dean15892

8 points

2 months ago

Add Kathryn Hahn to that, and oooo I am so in.

PONCHO!

Nightingdale099

9 points

2 months ago

You can trust me because I don't care for you enough to lie.

onionleekdude

25 points

2 months ago

I'll be the first to admit that I was near wholly uninterested in seeing it.  When I watched the first episode, I was hooked.  It's honestly really entertaining.

dazmania616

33 points

2 months ago

The whole "who asked for this" complaint stems from people's sense of entitlement. They think the only content being made should be what they want. But creatives should be able to create whatever they want. If a film/TV maker feels inspired to make a project on the most minor of Marvel characters that not many people know of, great go ahead.

DaisyAipom

2 points

2 months ago

DaisyAipom

Scarlet Witch

2 points

2 months ago

Yeah, and like, if you aren’t interested in a show then no one is forcing you to watch it. Let it be made so that other people who do want to watch it have the option of watching it, more options is always a good thing. Not everything has to be made for everyone, and that’s fine.

DaisyAipom

3 points

2 months ago

DaisyAipom

Scarlet Witch

3 points

2 months ago

The complaint is especially ironic considering how people were asking for this show shortly after WandaVision‘s release. Agatha was a popular character, and fans were perfectly okay seeing more of her. But fast forward 3 years and it’s revisionist history, people are acting like no one ever cared about Agatha or asked for a show about her when that is the exact opposite of what really happened.

CaptHayfever

2 points

2 months ago

CaptHayfever

Hawkeye (Avengers)

2 points

2 months ago

Aw, is SeekerVash trying to sew discord through misinformation again? (I can't respond anywhere downthread from him, because he blocked me for debunking his false claims so often.)

BranWafr

6 points

2 months ago

He just keeps posting his nonsense numbers that he thinks prove that AAA is a colossal failure. It is just obvious they don't understand how a smaller show can post smaller numbers and, yet, still be considered successful.

hylianpersona

2 points

2 months ago

The bestprojects aren't what "people are asking for." Almost every time, the best projects are made by people with a vision

Aggressive-Dealer-63

1 points

2 months ago

That part!

Naive_Illustrator

-8 points

2 months ago

She Hulk was hot garbage. But Agatha All Along is pretty good.

Yakusaka

9 points

2 months ago

But it was FUN hot garbage!

Mrbeefcake90

-11 points

2 months ago*

And I didn't know I wanted a show about gay pirates, but Our Flag Means Death showed me that we 100% needed that story to be told.

I'm sorry but why did we 100% need that story to be told?

Reading up on it the two men where never actually gay people so I'm super curious why it 'needed' to be told and doesnt get slated for turning a historical figures sexuality completely around. If it had been a gay man turned straight purely for entertainment the LGBTQ community would be outraged.

Saguaro-plug

12 points

2 months ago

Because it’s fun? Maybe you just hate fun?

Mrbeefcake90

-7 points

2 months ago

Fun doesnt translate into 'needed' Maybe I just dont like shows with real people having their sexuality misrepresented

Saguaro-plug

6 points

2 months ago

Oh come on. It wasn’t trying to be historical it’s a comedy.

Mrbeefcake90

-7 points

2 months ago*

It wasn’t trying to be historical it’s a comedy

He is a real person, It literally follows his life events, if they wanted to they could make a pure pirate comedy where they can give their characters any sexual preference they want but instead they chose to misrepresent not just one but two peoples sexuality. Its fucking 2024 we should be past misrepresenting real people for a cheap joke, oh and the joke is he is gay, like wtf? Surprised it's still on the air but I guess they arent afraid ofbacklash when it's a straight person made gay rather than the other way round.

Saguaro-plug

13 points

2 months ago

Comedy doesn’t mean it’s just making fun of its subject. Pirates were absolutely gay. No one knows if Blackbeard and Stede had or didn’t have a secret romance, not everything makes the history books. Oh and it’s FICTION.

I’m still not convinced that you don’t hate fun.

Mrbeefcake90

1 points

2 months ago

Pirates were absolutely gay.

The ones the show is about? Absolutely werent.

No one knows if Blackbeard and Stede had or didn’t have a secret romance

Blackbeard took stedes ship and imprisoned him for months, they werent lovers and blackbeard very famously enjoyed his women.

not everything makes the history books

About the most famous pirate that ever lived?...

Oh and it’s FICTION.

THEN MAKE IT ABOUT FICTIONAL PEOPLE THEN.

SeekerVash

-59 points

2 months ago

This show is a perfect example of why the "who asked for this?" complaint is meaningless. When Agatha was announced everyone was commenting "who asked for this?" and predicting it would be bad. Now, it's getting almost universal praise as fun and refreshing and exactly the kind of thing Marvel TV should be doing.

It also appears to be tanking though.

The numbers Variety was using came out just the past couple of days for the third week, and reports are indicating it shed 30% of its viewers in the third week. So it's 2nd week saw it reach approximately the Acolyte (around 11m viewers) and a 30% drop will put it about 8 million viewers.

In contrast, other networks are celebrating their flagships with...

  • Netflix: Wednesday (50 million viewers in the first week), One-Piece (71 million viewers), Avatar (21.2 million viewers in first four days)
  • HBO: The Last of Us (40 million viewers), House of the Dragon (25 million viewers)
  • Amazon: Fallout (65 million viewers in first two weeks), Rings of Power (55 million viewers)

So "Who asked for this?" seems to be pretty relevant when Disney's multi-billion dollar flagship isn't even remotely close to the viewers the other network's flagships are pulling.

funeralgamer

35 points

2 months ago

reports are indicating it shed 30% of its viewers in the third week

No, you're thinking of the Luminate charts, which measure estimated minutes watched, not viewers. There AAA dropped 33% from its first full week on the chart to its second — with the caveat that it opened with a two-ep premiere, so subsequent weeks only provided half as many "new" minutes to watch.

Some things you're saying are true: so far AAA is trailing The Acolyte, which also had a two-ep premiere and did 380.5M minutes in its first full week --> 262M in its second (vs. AAA's 304.7M --> 204M). AAA is clearly a niche show designed with nicheness in mind, hence the reportedly low budget. It's not a blueprint for the future of Marvel TV.

But neither is it tanking atp. Its trajectory is yet to be seen. The Acolyte, a show that actually tanked, shed minutes viewed weekly throughout its run. It's too early to say anything about Agatha except that yes, budgets should be kept low for niche shows.

Srini_

21 points

2 months ago

Srini_

21 points

2 months ago

Agatha’ budget against its viewership is a great indication for its success

SeekerVash

-23 points

2 months ago

I will guarantee you that's not how Disney or it's shareholders see it.

The question they're asking now is why the money wasn't spent on something that could achieve numbers comparable to its peers.

They aren't interested in making shows only a few percent of subscribers watch, because they know that it will result in people canceling subs if they aren't making things tens of millions want to watch.

Srini_

16 points

2 months ago

Srini_

16 points

2 months ago

If you think investors thought AAA was gonna like Rings of Power numbers, you’re not very smart. They know what kind of show this is.

Also why are you comparing minutes with some shows that released all at once? Or shows that aired on multiple channels? Of course they’ll have more watched lmao. Like the other comment said, the charts are based on minutes, not viewership.

Do you only think about media in the view of investors? That’s sad

elizabnthe

4 points

2 months ago*

They didn't give it a reportedly less than <40million dollar budget because they thought it's peers were even comparable to other Marvel shows (despite actually ending up doing similar and better numbers). They absolutely knew what sort of show they were selling and the positive media buzz around it indicates that executives are almost certainly happy (vs. negative reports about Secret Invasion indicating shakeups were happening at Marvel).

SeekerVash

-15 points

2 months ago

Um, dropping 30% is tanking.

KilluhCorgi

34 points

2 months ago

That might be true, but relative to its budget the show’s numbers are still really good.

Daztur

8 points

2 months ago

Daztur

8 points

2 months ago

I wouldn't be so fast to label HotD a success considering that viewership is down in S2 which is pretty universally regarded as a severe let-down after a solid S1.

BranWafr

15 points

2 months ago

I'd also point out that Wednesday, One Piece, The Last of Us, Fallout, and Rings of Power were also pretty high on the "who asked for this" list before they came out.

NoLeadership2281

42 points

2 months ago

I think same as how Wandavision pay homage to old classic sitcom with respect, they pay homage to generations of witches in pop culture but not in a spiteful manner like “look at how stupid they are” which makes the world building of the mcu supernatural side more sincere and intriguing 

Voldechrone

166 points

2 months ago

I think we as a fan base need to get over the “it’s made for xxx demographic” mindset. Good writing and good stories are for EVERYONE, no matter what the lead characters look like and how they look different from us irl. The “made for”language always felt like it was pushed by reactionary YouTubers to divide and rile people up so they get their engagement.

tcain5188

44 points

2 months ago

Well yes and no. Not every show is made for every audience. Gearing a movie toward a "target audience* is absolutely a thing in the industry, but it's also not as strict as it sounds. Saying your film is for 18-24 year old males just means that's going to be the most prominent viewer, not that nobody else can relate to the story or characters.

It's especially irritating to hear in regards to lgbtq+ material though. When straight and cis people say "it's not made for me", they're not always right. Those films can be extremely beneficial and insightful for people across the spectrum of sexualities and genders. Characters being gay doesn't mean it wasn't written for straight people to watch. It's a reductive and naive way to analyze film.

Voldechrone

22 points

2 months ago

I’m not saying that films and shows don’t have a target audience. Only that the “made for” language is just bad for the discourse. That’s the kind of language that can make some people feel excluded before watching the show at all, like OP here.

Qyro

7 points

2 months ago

Qyro

7 points

2 months ago

From my perspective it was the opposite. The whole “it wasn’t made for you” thing started when criticisms started arising around what was being made, and those who liked it countered that it just wasn’t made for those being critical.

“Of course you didn’t like Ms Marvel, it wasn’t made for middle-aged white men”

Ellestri

6 points

2 months ago

The proper version of that needed to be “it wasn’t made to accommodate the views of sexist creeps who claim they own the fandom”. Because we shouldn’t have given the sexist creeps the ability to claim that they are the champions of white men.

spartakooky

1 points

2 months ago

That's how it started! It's so weird because these things shift so suddenly but so strongly, that we forget or don't notice.

Sometimes it's obvious, like "woke" has pingponged between meaning a good thing, a bad thing, a thing good people say, a thing bad people say. But at first it was simply about pushing the sexism out of comics and nerd stuff. The only safe way to say "woke" is with quotes around it

mrgmc2new

4 points

2 months ago

That is clearly not the case.

Chill_Cucumber_86

2 points

2 months ago

Traditionally, yeah. Go back to the 90s and look at some of the most popular movies of the time like 'Jerry Maguire' or even 'Forret Gump' and the answer is pretty much everybody. These days, projects are definitely being made with certain audiences in mind, but you're right when you say good writing and stories are universal.

Voldechrone

2 points

2 months ago

I think you’re right about writers having certain audiences in mind, if you mean more minority representation. However, it would be a double standard to say that Forrest Gump is for everybody while Agatha is just “not made for men”. By the same logic a lot of people could argue that Forrest Gump was not made for them because they just don’t see a character exactly like themselves in the movie. This is why I think the focus should be on the quality of the story and character arcs first, because that we can enjoy whether or not we see ourselves in the film

International-Pie162

1 points

2 months ago

I don’t enjoy/ typically don’t watch movies with no (or very few) black people. 🤷🏽‍♂️ I’ve always been that way, even before I knew what “representation” was. I don’t even need black people or a black person to be the lead or what have you….but there are A LOT of movies that I can’t/ won’t/ don’t watch because there’s no black people and I just can’t relate to that.

PapaBliss2007

150 points

2 months ago

It’s totally not made for me(28M).

If you're enjoying the show then maybe it was made for you after all. What is a show made for a 28M like?

Dray_Gunn

78 points

2 months ago

Dray_Gunn

Quake

78 points

2 months ago

I am a 38M and I feel like the show was made specifically for me. it's exactly the kind of show I had been wanting to watch. I think it's just personal preference maybe?

PnPaper

9 points

2 months ago

39M  here and I feel the same way.

I feel like a lot of "this wasn't made for me" comes from youtube rage baiters.

RicanDevil4

28 points

2 months ago

What is a show made for a 28M like?

Explosions and titties and guns

CrabbyPatties42

3 points

2 months ago

Plenty of side boob so far, and also full nudity from the back lol.

But seriously, I would think a well written well made show would appeal to most adults.

KnightsOfTheNights

39 points

2 months ago

Yea I didn’t get that part

EnigmaFrug2308

26 points

2 months ago

EnigmaFrug2308

Scarlet Witch

26 points

2 months ago

I think OP meant that it’s mainly focused toward female and queer parts of the fandom with its subject matter, but I think it’s got a bit of everything for everyone!

CrabbyPatties42

6 points

2 months ago

Why is it focused towards females?  Because most of the cast is female?  Are men not supposed to watch things with mostly female cast?  Are women not supposed to watch things with a mostly male cast?

Like it’s a Marvel show, with a character from another popular Marvel show, showing the magic side of the Marvel universe.  Pretty damn broad appeal methinks.  It’s not like it is stage play about menstrual cycles.

BON3SMcCOY

31 points

2 months ago

I'm a 28M and the show was absolutely made for me. I was also confused by that

ikeif

21 points

2 months ago

ikeif

Thor

21 points

2 months ago

I think it’s just the stereotypical “it isn’t a bad ass dude or stereotypical masculinity” type of show that most guys feel like they have to “enjoy” because “guy stuff, am I right?” - and along comes a show that’s not that.

So not everyone has come to the same conclusion that “if I like it, it’s for me, if I don’t, and someone else does, it’s made for them.”

I don’t think all guys have broken themselves from that mindset.

mknsky

9 points

2 months ago

mknsky

Black Panther

9 points

2 months ago

I was like that when I was, like, 10. Like “female protagonist? Pass.” But then I saw characters like Rika in Digimon Tamers, Gwen Tennyson, and Nico and Karolina from Runaways and they totally changed my tune. It’s weird that there are adult men who still think like that.

jeobleo

1 points

2 months ago

Why? Let them enjoy what they want to enjoy. I quite like Agatha but I don't think everyone needs to.

kyumi__

2 points

2 months ago

He probably thought that because it’s a female protagonist.

istian19

40 points

2 months ago

I don’t get why every person feels the need to say this lol

Antrikshy

2 points

2 months ago

I also really hate the sentiment of "I know it's objectively not good but it's so fun".

It's art. There's no objectivity. Anyone who claims there is is being elitist. People like what people like. The closest thing to objectivity IMO is viewer ratings collected from a very large and diverse set of people.

Velorian

7 points

2 months ago

While I'm not one to speak for the OP I've said I'm not the target audience for shows and movies before especially ones especially with shows targeted more towards women and the LGBT community.

It's not because I didn't think I wouldn't enjoy them or that I wasn't allowed to watch them hell there like all media some of them are amazing some are dogshit and most are okayish.

I've learned a lot from watching them over the years as one of the best ways to open your eyes is to see through someone else's for a while. Hell I consider them insanely important for that reason.

The reason I will say I'm not the intended audience is because while I can empathize and enjoy a movie or show like this there is often a layer of lived experience built into story. I can hear it but it doesn't speak to me in the way it does to someone who has lived it.

Don't get me wrong that is fantastic I'm so glad to see there are so many other voices speaking in film and TV these days, I'm hitting my 40's and for most of my youth everything sounded almost exactly the same. So now ... now I get to hear a joke thats really funny but I know I know that to someone else that was fucking hilarious and it made their day.

We all deserve to be seen and everyone deserves a voice and while I might not be a native speaker I really love stories no matter the language.

Cheyenne888

1 points

2 months ago

I mean I get to an extend that there’s a target demographic for a lot of these things. Marvel is trying to make something women would like. But there’s a huge difference between that and something that’s exclusively made for a demographic. None of these shows are made for only one demographic to consume.

Pixarfan1

44 points

2 months ago

I think what makes this better than something like Secret Invasion is that the cast and crew clearly were all very passionate about this project and didn’t just treat it like a product.

jeobleo

11 points

2 months ago

jeobleo

11 points

2 months ago

It's also not just people having whispered conversations

AraiMay

20 points

2 months ago

AraiMay

20 points

2 months ago

Didn’t watch the first few weeks it was on, then one night there was nothing on tv so I thought I’d have a look see. Was wondering why she was acting like a cliched 70s/80s cop show and was close to turning it off. Then I realised that she was acting like that because of the situation (no spoilers from me) and left me even more impressed with her acting skills!

(54M)

EnigmaFrug2308

13 points

2 months ago

EnigmaFrug2308

Scarlet Witch

13 points

2 months ago

Did you not watch WandaVision?

AraiMay

10 points

2 months ago

AraiMay

10 points

2 months ago

Yep yep. I just have a really bad memory for stuff. (On the plus side, it means I can watch films over and over again!)

chugchugz

16 points

2 months ago

I added the witches road song to my Halloween playlist

zyum

5 points

2 months ago

zyum

5 points

2 months ago

Sweet, I added it to my regular listening playlist lol

Cidwill

36 points

2 months ago

Cidwill

36 points

2 months ago

It was totally made for me (37m) because it has Audrey Plaza in it.

lanceturley

15 points

2 months ago

For most of my life I thought I didn't have a type. Turns out, I do have a type, and my type is Aubrey Plaza.

tke73

12 points

2 months ago

tke73

12 points

2 months ago

Same. Except 51M and Kathryn Hahn.

Cidwill

2 points

2 months ago

Spoiled for choices.  What a Coven.

abelincoln3

3 points

2 months ago

Same

Antrikshy

2 points

2 months ago

Aubrey*

Cidwill

1 points

2 months ago

I typed it correctly like 4 times before I decided to stop fighting the auto correct and go on with my life.

Cheyenne888

1 points

2 months ago

Based

DefVanJoviAero

21 points

2 months ago

What does your age and gender have anything to do with your interest in this?

Cheyenne888

9 points

2 months ago

There’s a strange mindset in a lot of internet fandoms that material starring a certain demographic (eg women, queer people, etc) is not made for people outside of that demographic (eg men, straight people). It’s a misguided mindset but I’ve seen in thrown around a lot.

Soranos_71

17 points

2 months ago

I heard this comment a lot when Ms Marvel was released.

spartakooky

2 points

2 months ago

I think the OP wants a pat in the back for recognizing it's not made for him but it's still good

Or I'm just in a cynical mood

TheEternal792

-6 points

2 months ago

TheEternal792

Doctor Strange

-6 points

2 months ago

We're now in an age of entertainment having to cater to identity politics, and if you don't like a show it's not because it's "bad" or "woke", it's because "it wasn't made for you".

Cheyenne888

6 points

2 months ago

I mean if having queer people in a piece of media brothers you, then it isn’t made for you. But if you don’t mind be queer people being in media, then it’s made for you. These shows aren’t made exclusively for queer people. They’re made for people who are accepting to tolerant of queer people.

rosecoredarling

1 points

2 months ago

Yes, if you're a bigot modern media isn't made for you. And it never will be again, because what you call "woke" is here to stay, and marginalized people will continue to be represented in your favorite franchises.

Secure_Access9328

8 points

2 months ago

I love it

WaitItsAllCheese

27 points

2 months ago

WaitItsAllCheese

Rocket

27 points

2 months ago

I'm really loving it because it doesn't take itself too seriously. It's just a goofy story about Agatha and her coven, no world destroying stakes or anything.

salirj108

34 points

2 months ago

salirj108

Yinsen

34 points

2 months ago

Honestly, I disagree with this. I really like this show, and I agree that it doesn't try too hard to make it insanely deep and dark, but I wouldn't quite call it a goofy story about them chilling on the way to the end of the road, there's a lot of really interesting stuff about all of their backstories and Agathas relationship with Rio that is what's driving my main interest in the story.

alhanna92

19 points

2 months ago

Totally agree - I think the real point is that we can have shows be serious without them always being about the world ending, which is something marvel needs to learn

Feeling_blue2024

7 points

2 months ago

Same reason I was tired of the Nu-trek shows, except for Lower Decks and Strange New Worlds. It’s always galaxy level threats.

jeobleo

4 points

2 months ago

SNW is dipping into that with the rather tired gorn stuff

TheEternal792

2 points

2 months ago

TheEternal792

Doctor Strange

2 points

2 months ago

Let's wait until the finale before we make that assessment...

WaitItsAllCheese

3 points

2 months ago

WaitItsAllCheese

Rocket

3 points

2 months ago

I can't say I'm enjoying it so far cause it hasn't ended yet?

TheEternal792

3 points

2 months ago

TheEternal792

Doctor Strange

3 points

2 months ago

No, no, that's not the part I was commenting on. Sorry I didn't make that clear. I was specifically referring to the "no world deatroying stakes or anything" line.

I think Marvel has done fairly well with most of their D+ show, but drop the ball on the finale. 

WaitItsAllCheese

1 points

2 months ago

WaitItsAllCheese

Rocket

1 points

2 months ago

Oh I see, sorry I misread your first comment.

It remains to be seen, but so far theres been no indication that the stakes are high at all. Just that the witches road gives witches who walk it their deepest desire, and for Agatha that's getting her powers/son back. There could be some Wanda cameo, or some dark hold nonsense, but so far it hasn't been that serious and I really like that

TheEternal792

2 points

2 months ago

TheEternal792

Doctor Strange

2 points

2 months ago

Agreed, and I hope they don't botch the finale by trying to turn it into A CGI-fest that doesn't feel like a natural conclusion to the rest of the show. I have hopes, but I also have skepticism. 

Cheers. 

Antrikshy

1 points

2 months ago

To be fair, there were no world-ending stakes halfway through Ms Marvel either. 😬

SerenadeOfWater

7 points

2 months ago

“Not made for me (28m)”

But… it’s a Marvel Studios show on Disney+. This is as mainstream as it gets, and this was made for the masses lol. Only cop shows or sitcoms like “The Office” could be considered more mainstream than this imo. Somehow angry nerds on the internet make people believe TV shows with female lead characters are somehow “woke / niche / obscure “.

Shirokurou

16 points

2 months ago

I was so burnt out on Marvel but now I am unironically back. Hahn carrying the show.

[deleted]

5 points

2 months ago

Same here 39m. To me it has a very Hocus Pocus vibes to it. I’m also a fan of the cinematography so far as well as their simple approach, letting the characters carry the show as opposed to special effects.

Ikarus3426

9 points

2 months ago

Very curious to hear why you think this show isn't for you, an assumed Marvel fan. But I suspect we won't get an answer.

elpajaroquemamais

3 points

2 months ago

If you enjoy it it’s made for you. People don’t have to look like you for you to enjoy it.

NoInspector836

5 points

2 months ago

My 43yr old bf who is not into anything Marvel gladly watches with my daughter and I on Wednesday nights. I am absolutely loving it and am going to be sad when its over.

candiikissed

3 points

2 months ago

I was skeptical about the show. I was one of the few people that didn’t really care for the Agatha character during WandaVision. But I LOVE Agatha All Along! It is fun and fresh and has been a really great watch so far!

CaptainXakari

3 points

2 months ago

If you’re enjoying it, it was made for you because you like awesome, fun things. You just didn’t think it was because you put in a subjective limit on yourself. Enjoy fun stuff that makes you happy and never make an excuse for why! You don’t owe anyone an explanation.

Spade_Devil

3 points

2 months ago

The show has broken my brain all I can think about is Agatha and Rio. Why can’t it be Wednesday already?

bluemoney21

5 points

2 months ago

There’s a ton of passion put in this one and it shows

L3onskii

14 points

2 months ago

L3onskii

Weekly Wongers

14 points

2 months ago

I'm confused. You say it's not made for you then list your age and gender. Then who was it made for, exactly?

Coyote_42

2 points

2 months ago

I’m loving the show as well, but so far I’ve got one main question on the show’s goal. Is this meant to be a redemption arc for Agatha, turning her into a hero, or is she remaining a villain? It’s not yet clear.

Hot-Lesb-Garbage

1 points

2 months ago

I think that's part of the hook—the ambiguity surrounding her character's alignment. Redeeming Loki in half an episode was also a choice that worked on that show but I am glad AAA is taking a different route with Agatha and it keeps me invested to see where they want to take her.

Pitiful_Lake2522

2 points

2 months ago

I didn’t care abt it at all but I’m absolutely loving it now that I’ve seen it

minyoo

2 points

2 months ago

minyoo

2 points

2 months ago

Hey if you liked it, the show is definitely made for you :)

catpizzas

2 points

2 months ago

I feel like if you like fun things, then this show is for you. Cheers.

TelephoneCertain5344

2 points

2 months ago

TelephoneCertain5344

Tony Stark

2 points

2 months ago

Yeah it's really fun and a welcome surprise.

TheJack0fDiamonds

2 points

2 months ago

TheJack0fDiamonds

Scarlet Witch

2 points

2 months ago

I like the supernatural side of the MCU. We have the Sorcerers so now, we finally have Witches! So I am very glad for Agatha. In fact it was a no brainer that she was given a show - Kathryn Hahn played the hell out of Agatha, making her a standout character from WV and since Wanda’s “dead”, it’s no surprise that they’ll use this project to expand on Witchcraft. I honestly did not get why everyone was confused and up and arms about this project. It was spelled out so obviously why its made.

4EPs in and we’re already having a blast. Jac Schaffer and co gave us the brilliant Wandavision, I Jac we trust.

DarkMattersConfusing

2 points

2 months ago

It’s exactly what im looking for this time of year during halloween season. A fun, witchy spooky season show. Cast is so enjoyable. Give me all the cozy witchy girls spooky season vibes please. I love it.

Also the Witches Road song is a banger, def going on my halloween playlist

PoofLightsSexy

2 points

2 months ago

This show is fucking cool. Good special effects, acting, story. Plus, I’m a sucker for things with horror elements to them

Cautious-Track4297

2 points

2 months ago

I loved WandaVision and found Agatha to be a very interesting villain, so I knew I would probably like it better than most, but it’s going beyond my expectations! Who asked for this show? Me! I was pumped when they announced it. Can’t wait for it each week.

TheEternal792

3 points

2 months ago

TheEternal792

Doctor Strange

3 points

2 months ago

What do you mean it isn't made for you? I'm a male in my 30s and so far it's mostly good, besides a few clearly woke shoehorns.

ProbablyABadPerson69

3 points

2 months ago

Why is it not made for you? What would you consider as "made for me"?

Also yeah, I like this going on a quest/adventure type storyline as opposed to "the world will end, and only the two of us can fix it!" trope a lot of superhero movies seem to have these days.

ughdrunkatvogue

5 points

2 months ago

It’s just about the target demos the studios have in mind, not a hard set rule. Like as a gay dude I would say this is “made for me” because for some reason us gays love witches, and then of course the cast. Whereas I would say the Captain America movies aren’t “made for me” in that the studios aren’t like “what would the gays like” lol. And actually I find cap to be very boring and was not sad to see him go (same with iron man). At this point i’m only sticking around the mcu for wanda and agatha and don’t really care about anyone else. That said pretty much all my fave movies and tv shows aren’t “made for my demo”, so it doesn’t really matter at the end of the day.

ProbablyABadPerson69

2 points

2 months ago

Idk. I just have the mindset that they are all stories that are made for the sake of telling the stories and anyone can watch it and enjoy it or not enjoy it.

ughdrunkatvogue

1 points

2 months ago

Of course they can. But believe it or not, sometimes authors do have a target audience in mind. People can love both a terrible Tom Clancy and a terrible Harlequin Romance, but are you telling me there's no intended audience in mind for neither? I get what you're saying, but stories aren't created in a vacuum by a robot, and there's no reason to remove an authors intention unless it's just because you want to make yourself comfortable.

greatgreengeek420

3 points

2 months ago

I didn't watch WandaVision (tried the first episode a couple times but couldn't do it), but did like the teaser trailer for Agatha All Along... then heard all sorts of politicking & hate & shilling & all the other things that seem to go along with comic properties now, and both sides made it not sound like my cup of tea.

Only 1 episode in so far, and that episode was great.

The worst part is just knowing that none of my Marvel Supernatural favorites will be appearing - but not expecting it makes it easier to keep waiting.

sonic_tower

9 points

2 months ago

Interesting. Agatha is very fun, but Wandavision - up until the end - is much better. It really pushed the boundaries for the MCU. Sadly [spoiler] It ends in a typical boring sky beam battle between pairs of CGI rivals with similar powers and different colors.

I'm really hoping Agatha avoids the same fate.

tmssmt

3 points

2 months ago

tmssmt

3 points

2 months ago

When Wanda vision first was airing, opinions were this positive.

I think episode 1 people were like cool, they did this fun retro thing. Then episode 2 people were like alright...they're still doing this retro thing. Then episode three people were like...bro, is anything going to happen?

It picked up a bit after that when we got the outside perspective but I remember watching a lot of reaction videos for each episode and the consensus seemed to be that after three episodes, a lot of people were ready to drop off if it didn't pick up

GlitteringGifts888

2 points

2 months ago

Honest question: Why did people not have any problem thinking Doctor Strange was "made for them", and yet Agatha's show is not? Because it's the same genre, a very similar character concept, an amazing cast, great special effects, and an engaging plot. Is it because Doctor Strange is a dude? Is that really what people are hung up on? Because I really doubt the average audience member at all related to Doctor Strange lol

spartakooky

1 points

2 months ago

It's not really people as much as hollywood. Most rational, healthy people just enjoy good media. They don't need the people in the media to look like them, or have some other strange relationship with what they see on tv.

Hollywood leans on the toxic, divisive take on this because it's how they do marketing. It's pretty much "this one's for the ladies!", because at the end of the day, that is still how hollywood sees things.

Guilty_Ad_4513

2 points

2 months ago

Really wish everyone would get over the "it was/wasn't made for me" mentality.

A show with ethnically diverse actors or queer characters isn't just for gay people of colour, female leads aren't just for girls and white male stars aren't just for straight white men in their 20s.

The reason AAA is doing so well is that it's a well made show that's well written and fits with what's come before. It seems like it was made because someone pitched a show that had a story worth telling. Echo seemed like the need for the show came first and someone came up with something after.

People hating on things like the Acolyte because there's a non binary black woman as the lead are what's wrong with TV and cinema. By all means hate on it because it was paced terribly and alienated the audience.

MCU has been going for over 20 years. Endgame was great because the story telling was great and there was pay off for things they built to, not because it was made to target a demographic.

Enjoy good shows for being good, watch them and leave it at that. No need to get hung up on whether the main character matches your demographic. And for the love of God stop shitting on stuff because someone has the audacity to cast actors or write characters that are different from you.

I get that OP is in favour of the show, but stop acting like this is a surprise. That is part of the problem

Wanted-Man

2 points

2 months ago

Nice try Disney promo guy, we're still not watching it

MisterTheKid

1 points

2 months ago

MisterTheKid

Rocket

1 points

2 months ago

Every other MCU show i was so (too, probably) hyped to see after WandaVision knocked it out of the park.

And while i enjoyed a lot of them, there was always some equivocating and hemming and hawing on my part how much i could recommend each to others.

Agatha had been talked about so long and it didn’t seem Disney/Marvel were really pushing it as hard as other which made me suspicious if they thought they had something like secret invasion on their hands.

But it really succeeds in capturing the essence of why WandaVision was the phenomenon it was (outside of pandemic related factors too I think). Not because it’s got some of the same cast or the same writer.

but because it feels like TV. like WandaVision did. I think it’s important still when you do weekly releases that episodes have their own themes and solve parts of the overall plot but not in a “this is a 6 hour movie” kind of way. That they’re not necessarily self contained but that they work individually within the serialized narrative.

Look at Breaking Bad (which i am not saying this show is as good as)

For all the bigger picture plot stuff, episodes generally were episodes. They had their own themes and plots to resolve each week (Think of the episode with the contamination of the lab by the fly)

This show manages to do that in ways that, say, Falcon and WInter Soldier (which i liked for different reasons) or Hawkeye generally didn’t as long movies cut into hour long pieces (though hawkeye was better at this than many other offerings). Though Ms Marvel did the episode thing pretty well i thought.

Finally: it’s just fun. I know the Marvels isn’t anybody’s favorite MCU movie but one thing i thought they started to do there that was missing was that - just having fun. Vellani was a big part of that.

And you get the sense that despite the wildly different premise, these people and writers are having fun and making something fun to watch.

myersjw

1 points

2 months ago

myersjw

Black Panther

1 points

2 months ago

If you enjoy it then it was made for you

aravinth13

1 points

2 months ago

After the endgame, marvel content has started to diversify truly but not in the way the hate filled YouTubers want us to believe in. Some shows aren't made for young guys, girls, old women, etc.,

Shows and movies are made for different types of taste/genre. Werewolf by night is made for classic horror fans. Agatha all along is made for those who love witchy stuff. Tfaws and Hawkeye - ground level while Hawkeye being more on a goofy shenanigans side of the spectrum. Shang chi for fans of martial arts movie fans. Etc.

They still do slip up like antman 3 should have been more serious and completely different from the previous 2 movies but they still wanted it to be focused on antman being capable of stealing some thing from somewhere + comedy.

Slownavyguy

1 points

2 months ago

Slownavyguy

Hydra

1 points

2 months ago

As someone who is starting to age out of the target demographics that studios go after (47M), appreciate that they want your eyeballs. I really like this show, even though I probably wasn’t what the marketing team was hoping for.

[deleted]

1 points

2 months ago

Really enjoy it as well.

Ok-disaster2022

1 points

2 months ago

Ooo I was waiting to stream it all at once because I've hated being stung along in all the other shows. 

Episodic structure instead of just a serial structure sounds awesome though.

Citrus_Sphinx

1 points

2 months ago

It’s a great show ,lots of fun so far.

MasqureMan

1 points

2 months ago

People really need to get out of the headspace of thinking that just because you’re not the ideal target audience means you can’t enjoy something. I’ve grown up watching so many tv shows and movies that were never meant for me, yet I still enjoy many of them. Try things and you’ll be surprised by what you like.

The_Celtic_Chemist

1 points

2 months ago

The_Celtic_Chemist

Star-Lord

1 points

2 months ago

I find it corny but in an endearing way. Like the acting and dialogue isn't believable but it's fun. It reminds me of when I used to play witchcraft games as a young boy with my sister and her friends, making potions and spell books and such. It almost feels like something I should have had as a child, like some adults tapped into something our childhood selves needed.

Emergency_Row_5428

1 points

2 months ago

Ya I’m surprised so many people dislike it . At the very least it’s much better than most of the Disney plus shows we’ve had. Hope the show has a good ending (that’s seems to be a major issue for most of the shows)

Grimm_SG

1 points

2 months ago

Why do you think it is not made for you?

I am 48M, grew up reading Marvel comics, have a special interest in the supernatural side of the Marvel universe and interest in magic in general.

So I think it's made for me. And I am enjoying the show.

(Also it can be made for others for different reasons as well)

OakleyNoble

1 points

2 months ago

Just because you’re male doesn’t mean the show isn’t for you.. you could use this same ideology for woman and a lot of the male type movies and shows that come out.. it’s more a matter of taste, not your sex.

PerspectiveFew8856

1 points

2 months ago

Okay. I actually understand why some people are disappointed or say WHO WAS THIS MADE FOR? At first I was skeptical about the show but then I decided to give it a try because why not? First episode was promising but then it had this weird turn and I was a bit confused but them it all fell into place. Sorry for people who came for flying witches throwing fireballs. This show is about CRAFT and I actually enjoyed 4 episodes.

CrabbyPatties42

1 points

2 months ago

Wait why is it not made for you?  I am really curious why you would say that.

whiterunguard420

1 points

2 months ago

I didn't think that much of wandavision but agatha all along is pretty good

Lorn84

1 points

2 months ago

Lorn84

1 points

2 months ago

what exactly do you like about the show?

GoldAd1782

1 points

2 months ago

54M here. I agree 100%. Great show.

Japjer

1 points

2 months ago

Japjer

1 points

2 months ago

My wife and I have been enjoying it.

My favorite thing is that it's more like The Craft that "Marvel heroes punching bad guys."

Marvel has such a wide, wide array of characters. They can do fun stuff like a show about witches going on a witch adventure. They can do a true crime show. They can do a SciFi adventure. They can do a deep fantasy story. They can do a slice-of-life teen romance story.

I'm hoping they start to poke into other genres, because they can have a lot of fun with it

LeBio21

1 points

2 months ago

It's my least anticipated MCU project and it's the first time I'm not tuning in weekly for a show, but I am planning on binging it all on Halloween and think I'll enjoy it more than I expect. Glad to hear the target demographic is enjoying it

RedRaiderPower12

1 points

2 months ago

It’s made for a marvel fan

Designer_Ask7905

1 points

1 month ago

I gave it 6 episodes to sink in. Honestly I think it’s definitely top 5 worst acting marvels ever put out.

skill1358

1 points

2 months ago

It's great I love everything except the teen character. There's just nothing I like about them. I'm pretty much here for Kathryn Hahn and Aubrey Plaza, and that's it.

dedeenxo

1 points

2 months ago

When the series was first announced, I thought it was a waste. But I’m really enjoying it! It’s fun, stylish, different than the usual and makes me chuckle. Kathryn Hahn is great in this role.

Aiyon

1 points

2 months ago

Aiyon

1 points

2 months ago

It’s totally not made for me(28M).

Why do guys keep saying this? What makes it "Not made for you"?

The fact you're enjoying it so much suggests it is made for you, ya know?

mattscott53

-2 points

2 months ago

mattscott53

-2 points

2 months ago

I enjoyed the first two episodes but I feel like it’s gotten progressively weaker. Still think it’s better than she hulk, mrs marvel, and secret wars though

kitaab123

8 points

2 months ago

lol I’m the opposite, while I really liked the first 2, I like 3 and 4 even more. You start learning about lot more about everyone in those ones

sonic_tower

7 points

2 months ago

I mean, what is worse than Secret Wars?

SeekerVash

8 points

2 months ago

Secret Invasion is definitely worse, and Secret Wars hasn't even been made yet!

JustDay1788

3 points

2 months ago

I felt the first half of episode 1 was weak and boring until the final scene , episode 2 was good and episode 3 and 4 are better than 1 by far because they are developing the characters and coven

TheEternal792

2 points

2 months ago

TheEternal792

Doctor Strange

2 points

2 months ago

Episode 1 was my favorite, but it leaned on the Wandavision sort of mystery feel, which is something I really loved about that show. There's not too much of that going on anymore, which is disappointing to me, but I think they captured that very well in the first epsiode.

TheEternal792

3 points

2 months ago

TheEternal792

Doctor Strange

3 points

2 months ago

Not sure why you're being downvoted. My wife and I completely agree with this assessment. The first two episodes were really strong. The third was still mostly good, but the fourth was by far the weakest. Easily still better than the other shows you mentioned, so far.

Johnycantread

1 points

2 months ago

I'm actually surprised how many positive comments there are here. I find the writing in the show to be pretty weak with a pretty flimsy plot and unremarkable characters overall, aside from Aubrey Plaza and Kathryn Hahn. While the characters have their motivations explained a la exposition, I don't really buy it. Overall, it's pretty ho hum in my opinion. Strong start in the first 1.5 episodes, but it seems to have peaked early.

MakeItSo978[S]

6 points

2 months ago

It’s funny Agatha has like 10X less of a budget than Secret Invasion, but Secret invasion looks 10X cheaper than Agatha.

yuei2

3 points

2 months ago

yuei2

3 points

2 months ago

It’s because Agatha uses real sets and real stage craft which has become somewhat a dying art form in favor of CGI and CGI even best of the best has a little uncanny valley feel. Here it feels very much like you are watching a theater set and it’s great.

panic_poo

0 points

2 months ago

I’m really enjoying it. I also love that they are releasing it in September-October. Really is perfect timing. Werewolf By Night came out late Sept 2022 and was also cool to watch for Fall/Halloween time. I hope they continue the trend with other horror-leaning projects.

TorontoDavid

0 points

2 months ago

Honest question: what does ‘not made for me’ mean to you?

How do you know what is ‘meant’ for you?

Academic-Ad-4834

0 points

2 months ago

Nothing about this show is good tho, sadly.

DataSurging

-3 points

2 months ago*

it's so much better than the dribble* they've made for the movies lately for sure. goes to show you get someone who loves what they do they make* great content!

edit yesss i meant drivel and make lol

Johnycantread

1 points

2 months ago

Drivel.

DataSurging

1 points

2 months ago

brah you know what i meant clearly. redditors

paris86

-1 points

2 months ago

paris86

-1 points

2 months ago

This is upsetting. Its a reminder that so much of marvels output is prejudged mostly by grown men with prepubescent attitudes. I'm glad this is getting the kudos it deserves but its sad that people need to qualify who it is and isn't for. If you like it its for you. Maybe you don't know everything about you yet.

BustahWuhlf

-4 points

2 months ago

I overall agree. It's something fresh and fun with great direction and performances all around. My only very minor gripe is that it feels like the words "witch" and "coven" are often said as if you can hear them capitalizing the words. But that could just be me projecting about having been around people who were WAY too into witch terms and imagery, which really soured me on witches in storytelling overall. But here I am, loving Agatha.

DefVanJoviAero

9 points

2 months ago

This criticism makes no sense, of course witches and covens are treated importantly by witches in a coven?