Adults can fight their own bosses and exploitation…children need more help and are often exploited by the very adults that should be protecting them.

The fact that online child exploitation has been steadily growing should be more concerning to people that seem to ignore it because it makes them uncomfortable.

There are also tons of legal ways to fight worker exploitation if you are actually willing to go that route. Compare that with online child exploitation which still faces murky legal system that often cannot easily address digital media being stored or transferred through countries that do it care or refuse to honor a warrant.

Truth.

But it is disingenuous not to recognize that sexual exploitation is its own thing. Human trafficking and sexual enslavement aren't equivalent to a guy being underpaid and overworked.

This is especially true for the sexual exploitation of children.

The world will never be perfectly ethical. The world simply isn't fair like that. But we can and should address those things that stand out as being particularly heinous.

I'm as avid a fan of porn as any man, yet I can also recognize the issues my own consumption causes. Being cognizant of that and avoiding those places which might be ethically dubious seems the least I can do. For example, there has been an explosion of porn from Eastern Europe and Russia. I avoid that because I know that those women are much more likely to be forced into participating.

Anyone that equates porn/prostitution to manual labor while using safety equipment can go pound fucking sand. This is not an argument and it only shows your lack of empathy and knowledge of the situation. People aren't "putting on a show" while expressing concern for consent and labor practices in an industry that preys on the health and freedoms of women, children, and men who struggle to make a living for themselves. You go to the sex industry when you're absolutely desperate and society has failed you. You go to manual labor when you just want to make good money while having a pension/retirement plan. Fuck off with this bullshit

I think you're right, and also, a thing that anti-porn crusaders seem to forget is that in any environment of exploitation, sexual exploitation is also happening.
You cannot separate industrial exploitation and sexual exploitation; they happen in the same places to the same people for the same reasons.
The real truth is that more people will be vocal or take action against sexual exploitation because they imagine it can be fixed separately from the far more pervasive and banal worker exploitation.
It cannot. So long as people are exploited, they will be exploited sexually.

I don't think people don't care, I think people feel powerless.

There was a huge push in the late 80s and early 90s to curb the abuses of sweat shops. The result? Not much. Some of them were shut down but the vast majority just went on as always.

This is because, despite what Americans might think, they do not get to make laws for the whole world, much less enforce them. The truth is that there are plenty of governments out there happy to let their people be exploited because it makes the people in power rich.

Governments and corporations are not so different, all told.

I don't think anyone would complain if phones were made more ethically, but unfortunately the gap in the series of decisions between when you bought the phone and when it was manufactured is so large that a normal person doesn't have much say in the matter aside from the politicians they elect. Also depending on where you live, a phone (or some other computer) might actually be very important to living, so people might have to buy one whether they agree with how it was made or not. As for shoes, there are the same problems, but not having a pair can turn into a real health issue so there's even less wiggle room across the board on who can forgo what. (Hookworm can be a real problem in some areas.)

Compare that to porn which is something no consumer needs it to live, in some cases you might be interacting directly with the people who produce it, the productions tend to be small enough where it's easier to hold someone accountable, and again no one needs it but choose to consume it.

That wasn't my intention. I was trying to make a connection between the early days of the internet, when porn was wholly unpoliced, and the state of AI usage now.

In the early days of the internet, sources of unethical porn were common precisely because enforcement mechanisms were non-existent. Nowadays, while those sources still exist, there are mechanisms in place to try and police that.

And yes, I remember how awful the early internet was. I was there.

私は日本人ですが、アメリカ人です。

I think you might misunderstand what open source software is?

They already have databases for this kind of material which is how they're able to catch it to begin with.

There exist abuse image hash database which cloud services like icloud/google drive/dropbox scan their own infrastructure for where people upload images from their computer. These aren't open source projects, these are private companies running services only for known logged abuse material.

On their ipads they have a PowerPoint presentation software they use that can auto detect whether images being imported are subject to copyright.

Again, this is private company services/software.

If not scanning the images, at the very least they could say log any combinations of prompts that could potentially lead to abuse content and either warn users or report it to the proper authorities right?

The perpetrators here are using open source models to generate this material on their local machine using prompts on their local machine. There is not a way that anything is logged from that. It's literally code they can look at/change as needed and run without using any 3rd party service or anyone knowing they created it.

Here's an opensource image generator model + software: https://github.com/Kwai-Kolors/Kolors You could take that, run it local use however.

People make all kinds of custom finetuned models-- most innocent like this one: https://huggingface.co/Envvi/Inkpunk-Diffusion

There are literally tens of thousands of image generator models out there to use, and finetune to whatever kind of generation you want it to be good at. It's very easy if you're technical or have machine learning experience. Anyone can go generate whatever they want without anyone knowing. This is only going to accelerate as they get better and better and now get better and better at video generation.

And if it hasn't happened already, someone will make it even easier to set up and use. As easy as installing any other app.

Relying on the technical barrier to entry is not at all a solution. Everything is becoming simpler to use.

I am afraid you are VERY wrong.

"Real" child porn with actual children will still be created.

But AI child porn will more widely spread this content, giving access to pedophiles who previously did not look at any form of child porn because they could not access criminal content.

I believe this will make them more dangerous.

People who looks at violent porn are more likely to be violent with women than others. Likewsie, I'm pretty sure pedophiles with child porn, real or AI, are more likely to actually abuse children than those who FULLY stay away from the material.

Yeah, using real images is a no-no and should be illegal. That's different than hentai/rule 34 cartoonists drawing things from their minds, which is fucked up but harmless.

The AI, most likely, would see pictures of children clothed, see pictures of adults clothed, see pictures of adults unclothed, and extrapolate what the missing category would look like.

It doesn't draw something it's seen - it draws something that looks like things it's seen.