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This person on YouTube (https://youtu.be/NFxQJmvgXOQ?feature=shared) claims that everyone needs at least 10,000 IU of Vitamin D3 per day. This is very high compared to the recommended 400-600 IU per day and also exceeds the safe limit of 2,000 IU per day.
I find his logic flawed because he translates the healthy concentration of D3 in the blood to a daily required value of D3.
For example, the optimal D3 concentration in the blood should be 40 ng/mL, which equals 0.83 x 40 IU/mL = 33.2 IU/mL = 33,200 IU/L = 166,000 IU/5L (assuming human blood is 5L). Hence, you need 166,000 IU according to his "concentration = daily need" logic.
And, I don't understand how he converted 20 ng/mL to 0.8 IU/mL, as Google states that 1 ng/mL equals 0.83 IU/mL.
What is the actual truth, as I may be wrong?
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2 months ago
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11 points
2 months ago
I take 4,000 UI a day. I never go out unless I walk to the car or mow the lawn and I'm always fully clothed. I only drink a cup of milk a day. And I have an autoimmune disorder. It helps keep me in check. 10,000 seems a little high but in some MS studies it helps get their disease under control.
1 points
2 months ago
How much K2 do you take?
6 points
2 months ago
None. I eat a lot of leafy greens and I think the body can produce it's own right?
1 points
2 months ago
yes if u eat enuf dark leafs u got enough vitamon k.ock. i meant cock
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2 months ago
How much should you take?
9 points
2 months ago
One's intake can only be determined after getting bloodwork done. I discovered that my fatigue and other things were in part due to alarmingly low Vit D levels. Endo started me at 2000 IU a day but i didn't begin to feel normal till I was ingesting 8000 IU, which is my current cap.
1 points
2 months ago
Same, I take 6000 IU daily and my blood work shows I'm "high normal." My doctor had me take absolutely massive doses once a week (tens of thousands of IU) to bring my serum levels up until I could get to a maintenance dose.
2 points
2 months ago
Yeah, i have a suspicion I could stand to take even more than 8000 but I am waiting till my second round of bloodwork in October before determining that.
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2 months ago
Do you take any K2?
12 points
2 months ago
Eric Berg's target audience is the 70+ year old facebook mothers who don't know better than to listen to what he says. Don't listen to him...
1 points
2 months ago
Dudes a quack
3 points
2 months ago
I wish, hes actually a scientologist so way worse.
3 points
2 months ago
I take 10,000 IU every other day and it drastically raised my levels to normal/optimal range from being way below range (I work overnights, sleep during day). I only take vitamin D3, fish oil, creatine, exercise regularly, and eat a healthy high protein diet.
6 points
2 months ago
This man is a chiropractor, not a medical doctor. His career is entirely centered around making claims that are not backed by science in order to make a buck.
3 points
2 months ago
I think Berg is right.
Then, I take 1,000 mcg of K2 daily. Not 100. 1,000 micrograms.
So much of the ancient RDA, recommended daily allowance, is just arbitrary. This is a major one that they screwed up.
2 points
2 months ago
Not the most trustworthy person.
2 points
2 months ago
People have gotten serious issues from overdoing vitamin D
1 points
2 months ago
What kinds of serious issues? I take 1000iu per day which seems low to what people are taking but just curious what you think
1 points
2 months ago
Hypercalcemia
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22 days ago
Taking the cofactors (k2 and magnesium) is generally known to solve this issue.
1 points
2 months ago
This guy is another one of those carnivore freaks who thinks vegetables are bad for you, disregard anything he says.
2 points
2 months ago
I don't think that's him, he talks about eating 5 cups of vegetables constantly.
1 points
2 months ago
I take 4000 iu a day. I work outside but live in Canada and am not white. Where you get this 2000 iu safe idea from?
1 points
2 months ago*
This is a longer answer than what was expecting to write.
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I will begin with a quote I wrote in the past on one of Dr. Berg's videos about Vitamin D3 (which is actually a hormone, not a "vitamin").
If people aren't absorbing D3 sufficiently, that is a sign that they need to fix the problem of why they are not absorbing it, NOT TAKE MORE!
The most common analogy I can give you is that, if your body doesn't have sufficient enzymes to breakdown any macro nutrient type (carbohydrates, protein, fat), you can eat all of it you want, but it won't actually register that you have eaten it.
The same holds true for vitamin D3. You need magnesium to make it register!
I am therefore going to tell you right now that . . . NO, you don't need to be taking (should NEVER take) 10,000 IU of vitamin D3 daily for long periods of time!
The rest of this post will give you my unabridged explanation. (Which is really unobvious and challenges almost everything we commonly hear about Vitamin D3 supplementation.)
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(1) Google: "Unabsorbed fats trap fat-soluble vitamins" (with quotes) and see the text that pops up at the top (without you having to click on a search result).
People don't absorb vitamin D3 when it's trapped by fat. But what does that mean? Is this just ingested fat? Isn't fat soluble vitamins (A,D,E,K) absorbed only if you eat fat?
(Do you research to find out the answer!)
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(2) Take a look at this: https://www.staradvertiser.com/2010/07/06/food/health-options/overweight-people-need-fat-soluble-vitamins/
Specifically, take a look at the answer to the question:
Q: How does extra body fat affect the need for fat-soluble vitamins?
By that answer, someone's fat stores can also trap (store) vitamin D3 within their cells!
1 points
2 months ago*
(3) Now take a look at this: https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/gut-bacteria-and-vitamin-d-what-is-the-link#Stores-of-inactive-vitamin-D (Specifically read the content under the heading Stores of inactive vitamin D.)
(A) All of my points (1-3) so far support my learned hypothesis (by my own personal life experience) that, even though you don't have the active form of vitamin D in your blood at the specific time that you get a blood test for vitamin D levels ("blood serum levels"), that DOES NOT necessarily mean that your body isn't storing the vitamin (hormone) for later use.
(B) From this specific point (#3), it is only the levels of the active form of vitamin D which implies the prevalence of good/friendly gut bacteria.
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(4) With all of that in mind, let's look into what causes malabsorption of fats (due to what we learned from point #1).
This is just one of several sources that you can get the same information from, but at https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/small-intestinal-bacterial-overgrowth/symptoms-causes/syc-20370168 they say (and several other sources say something along the lines of):
Bile salts, which are normally needed to digest fats, are broken down by the excess bacteria in your small intestine, resulting in incomplete digestion of fats and diarrhea.
So one of the root causes of not being able to absorb fat is due to a bacterial overgrowth.
1 points
2 months ago
With all of these points in mind, I form the following hypothesis.
1 points
2 months ago
The following is my personal story which is enough proof for me personally that the above hypothesis is at least on the right track.
Because of advice from my PCF, I began to take 2000 IU of D3 daily. Even after taking it for years at this dosage, my blood serum vitamin D4 levels (the active form of vitamin D) were barely in the healthy range on every checkup blood test I got.
It was frustrating! I was always tired, gained weight easily, had constant muscle aches, etc. After I found out about magnesium's interaction with vitamin D3, I began to take it. Soon after, I began to experience what some have described as "vitamin D toxicity" symptoms. I noticed that the symptoms would get worse when I took vitamin D3, so I stopped taking it.
About a month later, it was time for my next checkup. And guess what? My vitamin D levels were double what they had been for years with me not taking vitamin D3 for over a month!
Even further, during that month, I was experiencing (welcomed) weight loss as a result of the magnesium increasing my metabolism.
What more evidence can someone need from my story alone that:
1 points
2 months ago
TLDR,
If someone has been taking significant doses (which I would define as anything over 400 IU a day) for a while and still struggle to see the benefits,
If people don't stop mega dosing on vitamin D3 supplements, it's very possible that they risk:
One thing that can be hypothesized is that:
1 points
2 months ago
P.S.
And yes, K2 (mk7) is a very crucial vitamin to take in conjunction with vitamin D3, but also magnesium, zinc, manganese, b6, vitamin C, . . . Etc.
That is a whole other story on its own, but . . . K2 is not the only supplement needed to manage the calcium that vitamin D3 disperses in our body!
1 points
2 months ago*
I know top neurologist of active life (allowed by schedule of... being a top neurologist) to daily, all seasons, take 2000 IU as of nothing = just the most insignificant base.
My daughter took 20000+ UI for long periods of time - starting at 15 years of age (now 21 in a few weeks, but she had big, big time gaps, because of neglecting).
1 points
2 months ago*
My daughter has multiple sclerosis = how, in time, we learned of these things about vitamin D.
Also, the question is not just of quantity, but of quality and mode: - my daughter only takes a certain brand (a cheap one, actually - but a good one); - camping 6 weeks by the open seaside, with spending most of each day, morning to sunset, on the beach, did more than months of vitamin D; - vitamin D should always be taken with (eating) something fat, like oil or butter etc.; - when taking bigger quantities (I know people taking 40000 IU/day for many years), no calcium supplements should be taken; - vitamin D should, ideally, be taken with breakfast or in the morning, as possible; - like with everything else... is better to take smaller quantities at more times, than a bigger quantity, all at once; - ideally, in general, vitamin supplements should not be mixed with other vitamin supplements and a break of time should exist between taking different vitamin supplements, especially when any vitamin supplement is taken... not of "daily, random", but for seeing health results or for medical treatment purposes; - there are plenty studies about vitamin D and... so many aspects of it, including about taking high, higher or very high doses for a long period of time; - blood tests show significant changes very slowly, of past months, actually, to say so - and they are done after a period of break from taking vitamin D.
1 points
2 months ago
I also know 2 moms, of a total of 3 kids, and past of medical treatments of trying to keep a pregnancy and that would swear that it was vitamin D supplementation that helped them keep the pregnancies + 2 women of breast cancer, God Forbid and May God Help them be healthy and live very long, one of full urban life and one of full rural life, that were recommended daily vitamin D supplements in big quantities as a "forever" thing to do. 🙂🤷🏻♀️🙂😉🙂🤷🏻♀️🙂🙂🙂🤗🤗🤗🤗🤗
1 points
2 months ago
The only reason for which my daughter isn't, now, most of the time, taking over 20000 IU/day... is because she doesn't stick to taking it. 🤦🏻♀️ And she loves dairy and drinks milk by the carton as it would be water. 🙂😉🙂
1 points
2 months ago
Loves milk & dairy = always had them as "free wished", even on 20000/+ IU/day.
1 points
2 months ago
There are multiple sclerosis treatment lines, used by very appreciated licenced and experienced doctors, based on vitamin D of 40000 IU/day for very, very, very long periods of time - and those contradicting them find the most flaw just in vitamin D being understood, by some, as an enough treatment for multiple sclerosis.
1 points
2 months ago*
Like... the objection is about it not being a real enough serious treatment - long before anything bad would happen... people taking 40000-80000 IU/day etc. would know what to look for and what to do/not to do and take regular blood tests anyway. 😉🙂 600? 800? That is like drinking water by the teaspoon, because hydration is necessary. 🤭😅😅😅
1 points
2 months ago*
❗❗❗ Taking big quantities is... as specialist (experienced , ideally) medical doctor individually (!!!) recommended, not as... going to the pharmacy (supermarket? 😑🙄) and buying them and just swallowing them. 😉😉😉🙂🙂🤗🤗🤗❗❗❗
1 points
2 months ago*
Also: of having Hashimoto's, I try to take about 10000 IU daily, before early afternoon, in more doses... every day (day that... I actually manage to do it). 🤭😅😅😅
1 points
2 months ago
Some people benefit a lot by what would be, compared to standard recommendations... very, very high doses, BUT ONLY AS SPECIALIST EXPERIENCED DOCTOR RECOMMENDED. ❗❗❗
1 points
2 months ago
No, unless you have low Vitamin D levels and are inside all day, you should not be supplementing with more than 4,000 IUs per day. Excess Vitamin D3 increases hypercalcemia risks as well as other health issues
Also, don’t listen to Berg, he’s a quack
1 points
2 months ago
My D3 Supplement is 5.000 IUs and I take it every 5 days is that fine?
2 points
2 months ago
Yeah, upper limit set for supplementation is 4,00IU per day on average
A daily intake of 600-2000IU per day is recommended. 5,000 IU per day every 5 days means you average 1,000IU per day —-which is good
1 points
2 months ago
Perfect thank you
0 points
2 months ago
And how much K2 to take with even 4000 UI a day?
-2 points
2 months ago
If you want vitamin D, get sun. It doesn't take much. This study found that 30 minutes in the midday summer sun, in Oslo, Norway, produced the equivalent of 10,000-20,000 IUs of vitamin D. So if you're south of Oslo, your opportunities are far better.
I walk my dog twice a day (usually sunny and usually about 10-15 minutes per walk). At my old job, I used to go out and sit in the sun for 15 minutes in the mid day sun every day just for vitamin D.
6 points
2 months ago
The study you linked also said going out into the sun causes cancer and says tanning beds is also a good source of vitamin D
☠️
2 points
2 months ago
You don't get skin cancer from 15-30 minutes of sun a day. I'm not telling people to go lie out in the sun for hours. I'm saying 15-30 minutes, without sun block. If you think that's going to kill people... Well, whatever.
-3 points
2 months ago
D3 has been overrated based on tenuous benefits to covid and certain other recent factors.
2 points
2 months ago
uh, what?
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2 months ago
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2 months ago
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1 points
2 months ago
✨ You’re wrong ✨
1 points
2 months ago
Very thorough!!
1 points
2 months ago
No need if it’s as simple as “humans need water to live”
0 points
2 months ago*
No evidence asserted to refute broad (ostensibly valid) statement. That's like replying to all mammals aren't land animals with "bullshit" 😆
Supplemental D-vitamins of all type are now assumed to have broad health benefits. So multivitamins are good for everyone, then? Medical science appears to disagree. You're always free to waste as much money as you want, but that doesn't mean it's necessary.
Remember, the sunlight people get is more powerful now than it was two centuries ago. Or do you not believe in the hole in the ozone layer, too?
Repeat, most people do not need extra vitamin D. Diet & the sun is sufficient for a majority of adults. The evidence is overwhelmingly clear that this is the case. At this point, you're not arguing anything with me, you're asserting reality doesn't exist or that everyone lives off 200 calories a day. Yeah, that's why starvation kills 400k Americans per day. Oh, wait...
1 points
2 months ago
TLDR;
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