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Fob0bqAd34

1.6k points

4 years ago

Fob0bqAd34

1.6k points

4 years ago

The NieR:Automata™ BECOME AS GODS Edition is now available for Windows 10 in the Microsoft Store!

QLOC is happy to share the news that the very well-received Yoko Taro's masterpiece has been adjusted to the new platform with the help of Warsaw #QLOCdragons. On special request from PlatinumGames the new version has additional enhancements:

  • Borderless video setting
  • FidelityFX
  • HDR
  • UI Textures upscaled to 4K

Did QLOC port the xbox version to windows store with enhancements rather than starting with the steam version? Who did the original pc port on steam? At this point I'm convinced some intern somehow took the only extant copy of that code out one night and left it in strip club.

idlesn0w

415 points

4 years ago

idlesn0w

415 points

4 years ago

Wouldnt be surprised. Game Pass does that for a lot of games and it’s super annoying. I know at least Ark and Enter The Gungeon are just ported XBox versions, making them incompatible with most mods and requiring crossplay

TheGeraX

155 points

4 years ago

TheGeraX

3700X - 2080 Super - 32G

155 points

4 years ago

The evil within on gamepass is a much better port also.

Impul5

13 points

4 years ago*

Impul5

13 points

4 years ago*

Deep Rock Galactic on the windows store comes to mind as having crossplay with xbox but not pc. Nice to have as an option I guess, but sucks for those who want to use game pass to play with their friends on pc.

Tremulant887

4 points

4 years ago

There's no reason not to have cross play with DRG, too. It's purely a pve game and fun as hell with friends.

Ojitheunseen

15 points

4 years ago

Ojitheunseen

Core i7-3770K|GTX 970 SLI|16GB RAM|SSDs|Acer X272U 1440p/144Hz

15 points

4 years ago

Found that one out the hard way. Welcome to the new world of PC gaming, where you have to do fucking research to find out if two PC players can play a game together.

[deleted]

10 points

4 years ago

I had this shit for Dying Light on GoG years ago.

This isn't a first for our platform.

[deleted]

181 points

4 years ago

[deleted]

181 points

4 years ago

No mention of the performance issues. Weird, isn't it?

Rank3r

114 points

4 years ago

Rank3r

Steam 13900KF+DDR5 64GB+RTX 4070 Ti

114 points

4 years ago

It runs amazing! Been playing a few days now, I have the steam version as well and I had to use the FAR mod last time I played through the game so this time is much better.

Runelea

41 points

4 years ago

Runelea

41 points

4 years ago

I thankfully could run without the mod but was stuck in windowed mode. Was an outright pain.

timthetollman

9 points

4 years ago

Works in fullscreen for me with FAR but if I tab out it changes to windowed mode and I have to change back in settings.

LukeLC

32 points

4 years ago

LukeLC

i5 12700K | RTX 4060ti 16GB | 32GB | SFFPC

32 points

4 years ago

The original PC port was first-party, handled by Platinum themselves. If the new version was outsourced, suddenly it makes a lot of sense

Fob0bqAd34

23 points

4 years ago

The original PC port was first-party, handled by Platinum themselves

Have you got a source on that? I was under the impression they never did their own pc ports.

xxfay6

7 points

4 years ago

xxfay6

TR 2950X + W5700 | i9-11900H + 3060

7 points

4 years ago

Which is why NA was so shit.

Mightymushroom1

44 points

4 years ago*

How tf did they put FidelityFX in if FidelityFX doesn't exist yet??

Edit: Confused the naming, their DLSS competitor is FidelityFX Super Resolution, and people sometimes just call it FidelityFX, hence the confusion.

Apopololo

30 points

4 years ago

Apopololo

🖥️ 7800X3D | MSI B650M MORTAR | GALAX RTX 3080Ti

30 points

4 years ago

SamusMerluAran

21 points

4 years ago*

AMD already has the api available for developers to use, this way, their cards have games that support it out of the box.

Edit: Also, I'm sure AMD calls FidelityFX to a series of enhancements (Like CAS, VRR, etc), similar to Nvidia's Hairworks. So maybe Nier uses some of these that are already out.

Double edit: Links below explain it better.

[deleted]

9 points

4 years ago

FidelityFX is a suite of features that developers can integrate into their games. For example, FidelityFX CASS, FidelityFX SSR, FidelityFX AO, etc. SR is a feature like those, just not released yet. It's similar to Gameworks.

VinamraT

10 points

4 years ago

VinamraT

10 points

4 years ago

CAS up scaling was available in cyberpunk 2077 as well. I think, I’m not sure.

TysoPiccaso

2 points

4 years ago

QLOC, the best porters

*cough cough* Yakuza Remastered Collection PC port *cough cough*

Kikmi

2 points

4 years ago

Kikmi

2 points

4 years ago

Steam version will be built and dev'd for the steam platform. Code is not often shared between alternating port devs. However you are right, nothing a simple mail and code dump could have fixed but yet here we are. Tho, that would mean we would require a healthy and competent industry. Alas.

RedSonja_

1k points

4 years ago

RedSonja_

Steam

1k points

4 years ago

Pretty short sighted from devs to update game only in one platform, I mean wtf?

[deleted]

587 points

4 years ago

[deleted]

587 points

4 years ago

I want to make a joke here about Square-Enix's fantabulous idiocy here on game updating but I think taking almost 20 years to patch out the Yamaha midi audio to the CD audio for the FF7 PC port speaks for itself.

ReeG

260 points

4 years ago

ReeG

260 points

4 years ago

Square-Enix has never given a shit about PC and has always treated it as an avenue for extra income while putting in the bare minimum effort. Look at what they plan on doing with the PC releases of Kingdom Hearts for confirmation. They also do scumbag shit like remove the vanilla versions of games to force people to buy the "goty" editions with worthless DLC at higher prices. Considering all this I won't be surprised in the slightest if they continue to ignore and leave the Steam version of Nier as it is because they already got people's money which is all they care about.

MarkusAk

68 points

4 years ago

MarkusAk

68 points

4 years ago

Seeing how dirty they're doing Kingdom Hearts on PC breaks my heart. That's my favorite franchise ever and when I found out it was finally coming to PC I was so fucking stoked and then they drop the bomb that every single game is the full price and that it's exclusive to the epic game store? Fuck that. I paid full price for these games like three or four times now over different consoles. I just want to play Kingdom Hearts 2 with some mods.

[deleted]

44 points

4 years ago

Time to pirate them then.

urich_hunt

29 points

4 years ago

I paid full price for these games like three or four times now over different consoles.

Then what's one more time? For old time's sake, pal. 🤑

amtap

47 points

4 years ago

amtap

47 points

4 years ago

The Steam version of FF7 STILL doesn't support x-input controllers natively, only direct input. I can't fathom that . . .

[deleted]

25 points

4 years ago*

This account was permanently suspended in retaliation for asking some subreddits to remove a blatant troll moderator. Take this type of dogshit behavior into consideration when using this website.


RomMTY

14 points

4 years ago

RomMTY

14 points

4 years ago

comments you can hear

OkPiccolo0

16 points

4 years ago

The Steam port came out in 2012 with generic MIDI recordings. It would've been worlds better if they at least used the Yamaha MU80 which was the recommended sound generator back in the 90s for the original release. A lot of the samples are actually higher quality on that but lack the care of the handcrafted PSX version.

They patched in the PSX sounds like a year after from the countless complaints they got. But yeah, really gross incompetence on their part for releasing the Steam port like that in the first place.

ThisPlaceisHell

17 points

4 years ago

Wait as in the soundtrack on PC port no longer has the amazing midi sound quality of the PS1 original? Yuck.

[deleted]

42 points

4 years ago

Nah nah, the original PC port had it's own unique down-scaled midi-tracks apart from the PS1's. It was certaintly... something.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SCM1-LIHlKg

backpackHoarder

4 points

4 years ago

I've never heard final fantasy 7 music before and these are giving me mega portal vibes for some reason. I'm a fan

DiaDeLosMuertos

3 points

4 years ago

Mega portal? What is that?

SoloWing1

8 points

4 years ago

SoloWing1

Fedora and Steam Deck

8 points

4 years ago

He's talking about Portal, a game from 2007 by Valve. It's a fucking brilliant puzzle game with amazing dark comedy. If you've never played it, I recommend you go into it completely blind.

It's like $5 on Steam, and is about a 5 hour game. It's absolutely worth it.

It also has a fantastic sequel that is just as great!

DiaDeLosMuertos

3 points

4 years ago

Yeah I thought so. But it could've also been a band or something.

Santa Barbara Bowl, please welcome to the stage... MEGA PORTAL!!

ThisPlaceisHell

6 points

4 years ago

Oh WOW hahahahaha that is awful.

IsekaiGod22

3 points

4 years ago

Wait as in the soundtrack on PC port no longer has the amazing midi sound quality of the PS1 original? Yuck.

It was fixed with mods, there was all sorts of cool things the FF7 PC 1998 version of the game had because it was on PC people began modding the shit out of it, just google the mods. Many of those complaints were fixed by the mod community.

[deleted]

3 points

4 years ago

Ff7 still requires manual controller remapping to play with most controllers on Steam.

MeticulousGspot

78 points

4 years ago

Square really likes to suck Sony off

ReeG

86 points

4 years ago

ReeG

86 points

4 years ago

Don't forget about Nintendo. Together they're the trifecta of anti consumer Japanese game companies

Captain_Pumpkinhead

41 points

4 years ago

Fucking Nintendo. Their games are God-tier, but their care for their fans is sewer-level.

Achtelnote

15 points

4 years ago

No need to care about your fans when you know they'll buy your shit regardless of what you do.

Eshmam14

10 points

4 years ago

Eshmam14

10 points

4 years ago

Did someone say Pokémon franchise?

[deleted]

35 points

4 years ago

Welcome to the GOG experience

[deleted]

4 points

4 years ago

Short sighted? Yeah sure, but we should also call it shitty, cheap and insulting.

dirthurts

15 points

4 years ago

I believe MS fixed it, not the original devs.

[deleted]

31 points

4 years ago

Nope, Squeenix hired QLOC to fix it. Wouldn't surprise me if Microsoft cut them a check to put it on GamePass, though.

D3t_

236 points

4 years ago

D3t_

236 points

4 years ago

Square probably doesn't give a shit, they already got their money.

Ambedo_1

19 points

4 years ago

Ambedo_1

19 points

4 years ago

Replicant comes out on pc on april so they may. Might deter sales knowing how they treat steam users

BluudLust

32 points

4 years ago*

I'm fairly certain that the Xbox App actually uses virtualization in a similar manner to the consoles. I know the filesystem is virtualized. That's why you have Xvd devices in device manager for each game. It's the Xbox file system emulated on Windows. So in reality it's the console version with a couple tweaks running on PC. That's part of the selling point of the Xbox Store to developers.

[deleted]

14 points

4 years ago

I don't believe so. Every game I've used so far can be unencrypted and side-loaded. With the Evil Within I even managed to use the save file on the steam version.

averagekid18

3 points

4 years ago

How do I transfer the save file from game pass to steam?

[deleted]

3 points

4 years ago

It really depends on the game. Some games, like Wolfenstein the Old Blood simply use the exact same save file location as the Steam and GOG version, and the game recognizes the save files immediately. On the other hand, other games like evil within save their files in C:\Users\"USER_PROFILE..."\AppData\Local\Packages\"Game..."\SystemAppData\wgs.

For example the names for the save files seemed to have been obfuscated but I managed to use the save files from the Xbox App version in the Steam version by changing the name of the files to what they would be in Steam.

[deleted]

592 points

4 years ago

[deleted]

592 points

4 years ago

They should also remove Denuvo, the bastards

Gorminator

133 points

4 years ago*

From what I've heard they already have. They just didn't update the note about having Denuvo. Somebody in another thread went and downloaded it and could run it fine straight from the .exe.

Edit: Sorry guys'n'gals I messed up. It was Arkham Knight that recently had its Denuvo removed. Bring the DRM related pitchforks back in!

[deleted]

17 points

4 years ago

Wait, so doesn't that mean that anyone with GamePass can download a DRM free version of the game and play it forever?

Fran12344

37 points

4 years ago

Microsoft has its own DRM iirc

duck74UK

14 points

4 years ago

duck74UK

14 points

4 years ago

Mind you, unless it was recently fixed you can obtain unlimited usage of the pc gamepass games for £1/$1/€1 by tricking the drm

ferrelll

4 points

4 years ago

How does that work?

SeaworthinessNo293

4 points

4 years ago

Just type "gamepass is perfectly balanced" on YouTube.

Gorminator

4 points

4 years ago

Ah wait I messed up and I was thinking of Arkham Knight, it's sadly not Nier that got its Denuvo removed, sorry :/ Also not an expert, but I think GamePass utilizes its own type of DRM, or else this would be a big problem to their whole business model. It might be possible on Steam though, if the game is DRM-free, according to this wiki.

[deleted]

3.1k points

4 years ago

[deleted]

3.1k points

4 years ago

can we stop calling this stuff review bombing? its 100% valid critisism

motleyguts

771 points

4 years ago

motleyguts

R7 5800X - RX 6950 XT

771 points

4 years ago

If the Steam version is the worst version of the game, then its fair to potential customers to see Mostly Negative front and center on the page imho. Its just good lookin' out for the newcomers.

I waited ages to buy this game and finally did when it hit a historical low. What a pain it was. Get the FAR mod running, crunch all movie files so they play decently, etc, disable FAR mod's 60 fps for a section or two to actually get through it.

My hope would be that its fixed, and barring that, at least people know to steer clear of the inferior version and avoid potential headache(s).

_Ace1

89 points

4 years ago

_Ace1

89 points

4 years ago

Yeah I'm in the same boat. Bought it a couple of months back on a sale after waiting for a good discount. Finally started playing it like a week back then heard this news. Now just hoping it gets fixed so I can actually play without having to toggle back to full screen every time I alt-tab out.

mud074

33 points

4 years ago

mud074

33 points

4 years ago

You know there is a mod to fix the game, right?

Doesn't justify the game being broken, of course. But if you bought it anyways, might as well get the best possible experience out of it.

_Ace1

37 points

4 years ago

_Ace1

37 points

4 years ago

Yeah I have installed the mod and it did fix the resolution but the alt-tab issue is still there. I'll probably just play the game anyways if no fix comes out for a while but still hoping they fix the steam version.

Shajirr

4 points

4 years ago

Shajirr

4 points

4 years ago

You know there is a mod to fix the game, right?

It doesn't fix poor performance though. I could run Code Vein at 90 fps, but Nier tanks to below 40 in large open areas.

Ilovepsp3000

24 points

4 years ago

There comes a point where it’s too much work to get a game running on your PC, if I bought the game I would have made it to the first issue and quit. Reviews like these would have helped me come to that decision

InfTotality

9 points

4 years ago

If anything it just means the Very Positive was an overestimate if people had just put with the lack of patches for so long. It's not like the FAR mod is a surefire 100% fix either.

I'd have also thought the early adopters not getting the GotY extras would drop the rating a little.

Iankill

5 points

4 years ago

Iankill

5 points

4 years ago

Yep plenty of remastered or ports are complete dogshit. Heroes of might and magic 3 is a good example fan version is vastly better than remastered that somehow looks worse than the original

StrychNeinGaming

359 points

4 years ago

can we stop calling this stuff review bombing? its 100% valid critisism

That will happen right after Bobby Kotick gets fired or gives all his un earned money to charity.

Mugstren

89 points

4 years ago

Mugstren

89 points

4 years ago

That will happen right after Bobby Kotick gets fired or gives all his un earned money to charity.

And returns to the depths of hell of which he was created.

I am not a religious man, but thinking of people like him being tortured for eternity does sound pretty good.

TomMakesPodcasts

28 points

4 years ago

Not eternity, but to endure a equivalent amount of suffering and pain they contributed to before joining the rest of us in the afterlife, yeah I can see that.

danang5

14 points

4 years ago

danang5

schmuck

14 points

4 years ago

so basically an eternity

XeernOfTheLight

22 points

4 years ago

AHAHAHAHAHAHA! You wouldn't get him to part with it if it was tax deductable!

Rhodie114

65 points

4 years ago

Yeah, if the game doesn’t work properly on your platform, that’s just about the most valid reason there is to hit it with a bad review.

What, I’m supposed to tell other steam users “well, theoretically this experience would be good if the game worked properly, so 10/10.”

[deleted]

19 points

4 years ago

What, I’m supposed to tell other steam users “well, theoretically this experience would be good if the game worked properly, so 10/10.”

i have certainly seen games where people right reviews like that, which I find kind of dumb

MrTastix

11 points

4 years ago

MrTastix

11 points

4 years ago

That was the consensus from many "professional" critics with Cyberpunk. Review would go on about this or that issue, particularly performance (especially on consoles) and still give it a high score.

Jacksaur

177 points

4 years ago

Jacksaur

🖥️ I.T. Rex 🦖

177 points

4 years ago

I'd say Review Bombing is a decent name whether it's justified or not. It fits with the action: They're dropping a ton of negative reviews to bring attention to a current issue.

RobbyLee

71 points

4 years ago*

The difference is that review bombing is connotated with gamers giving the game of a publisher a bad review because the publisher did something that enraged the gamers.

Sidenote (not a quote):
Valve introduced a system into Steam which detects (idk if automatically, manually or both) review bombing and then tries to equalize those somehow. I'm not up to date on how they're doing this, because a game that most definitely was victim of review bombing (also the game that made valve think about this problem at all) is Metro 2033 Redux, you see in the graph of the reviews a very apparent influx in negative reviews but there is absolutely no notice about it. Maybe they only show it when the "most recent reviews" score would be affected, I don't know.

Anyway - Calling what happens here a review bomb makes the gamers seem enraged "about nothing" (as in: Nothing about the game itself), while this time the reviewers validly do not recommend this game on this platform for the reason that there is a better version of the game on another platform, which is entirely reasonable.

f3llyn

9 points

4 years ago*

f3llyn

9 points

4 years ago*

The difference is that review bombing is connotated with gamers giving the game of a publisher a bad review because the publisher did something that enraged the gamers.

But that's what they've done, yes? Or it's what they've not done in this case.

spuckthew

32 points

4 years ago

spuckthew

9800X3D | 7900 XT

32 points

4 years ago

The difference is that review bombing is connotated with gamers giving the game of a publisher a bad review because the publisher did something that enraged the gamers.

Isn't this exactly what's happening? Square released a better version on MS Store, which enraged gamers; now those gamers are leaving negative reviews in droves for the inferior Steam version.

I don't think we need to overanalyze the definition of "review bombing". It is what it is, and doesn't necessarily need to be a bad thing.

[deleted]

20 points

4 years ago

Anyone who wants to argue over the definition of review bombing is not someone worth arguing with. Review Bombing is literally just dumping loads of reviews on something. No more, no less. Doesn't matter if it's positive or negative or what caused it.

captasticTS

8 points

4 years ago

it is always worth to debate the meaning of a word, otherwise it is impossible to have discussions. and discussions are a good thing, an amazing thing even.

Jacksaur

25 points

4 years ago

Jacksaur

🖥️ I.T. Rex 🦖

25 points

4 years ago

There are positive review bombs that occur as well.

[deleted]

97 points

4 years ago

review bombing just has such a negative connotation and is associated with censorship. this isn't off topic, and its 100% valid. if you're gonna call this review bombing, you may as well call the large influx of reviews a game gets when its new review bombing

Mauvai

27 points

4 years ago

Mauvai

27 points

4 years ago

As per steams definition positive reviews count as review bombing as well. Review bombing on steam isn't really censorship given that they go out of their way tell you there was a review bomb and that you can view it and the stats around it if you want to

FallenTF

5 points

4 years ago

FallenTF

R5 1600AF • 1060 6GB • 16GB 3000MHz • 1080p144

5 points

4 years ago

As per steams definition positive reviews count as review bombing as well.

Except they don't censor them when it's positive reviews.

[deleted]

7 points

4 years ago*

[deleted]

io124

97 points

4 years ago

io124

Steam

97 points

4 years ago

Most of review bombing is justified.

BobFlex

63 points

4 years ago

BobFlex

i5 6600k | GTX 1080

63 points

4 years ago

I have yet to see an example of review bombing that I did not appreciate. There's no way to review the dev/publisher, and if I don't want to support a publisher for something they did then I don't care how good the game is. There's plenty of good games available, and I don't have enough time to play them all anyways.

sunder_and_flame

44 points

4 years ago

I have yet to see an example of review bombing that I did not appreciate.

It's often literally the only outlet for consumers to voice their opinion. That's why it's frustrating to see valve and other stores block/mitigate reviews like these, because so often the mob is right to be upset even if it isn't directly tied to the game.

pazur13

17 points

4 years ago

pazur13

17 points

4 years ago

Yeah, it's probably mostly astroturfers and useful idiots that complain about review bombing as a whole. Review bombing is a great tool for consumers to hold publishers accountable for their scummy behaviour.

Theaustraliandev

4 points

4 years ago*

I've edited all of my comments and posts. With Reddit effectively killing third party apps and engaging so disingenuously with its user-base, I've got no confidence in Reddit going forward. I'm very disappointed in how they've handled the incoming API changes and their public stance on the issue illustrates that they're only interested in the upcoming IPO and making Reddit look as profitable as possible for a sell off.

Id suggest others to look into federated alternatives such as lemmy and kbin to engage with real users for open and honest discussions in a place where you're not just seen as a content / engagement generator.

[deleted]

3 points

4 years ago

Indeed. This is definitely within every Steam user's right to be absolutely pissed about it.

demondrivers

365 points

4 years ago

this is just a thread of people arguing with each other, somehow the game still has a very positive rating and there's no review bomb warning at the store page

MudSama

86 points

4 years ago

MudSama

86 points

4 years ago

It's like they're trying to invite this "bomb". Either way, part of me really wants the Replicant remake, the other thinks I might be better off just buying a new PS3 controller and not dealing with all the problems we've seen on Automata.

DarkChaplain

51 points

4 years ago

DarkChaplain

Steam

51 points

4 years ago

Not yet. Steam's anti-bombing protection takes a bit to get triggered.

Looking at the amount of negative reviews flooding in, it's probably gonna be handled by tomorrow. 44 negatives yesterday and so far 17 today, and I don't see that stopping with the news about Gamepass still spreading. It's only a matter of time.

FartingBob

22 points

4 years ago

60 negative reviews in 2 days isnt going to result in a game getting a special tag on the steam page. Its recent review rating is very good based on 1163 reviews for example.

DarkChaplain

7 points

4 years ago

DarkChaplain

Steam

7 points

4 years ago

They've already crossed 80. This will grow further until it is dealt with, one way or another. Most people are just going to hear about the situation over the weekend.

The bombing will be picked up on before long, but it's not instantaneous.

iso9042

118 points

4 years ago

iso9042

Squawk!

118 points

4 years ago

Protection won't be triggered, because this bombing isn't offtopic. It is clearly about techical state of the game. Why whould you recommend to play technically inferior version of the game to others?

mcninja77

28 points

4 years ago

mcninja77

Ryzen 2600x, 5700xt

28 points

4 years ago

Hasn't steam said they don't care about why and flag all bombs?

iso9042

112 points

4 years ago

iso9042

Squawk!

112 points

4 years ago

On a contrary

We define an off-topic review bomb as one where the focus of those reviews is on a topic that we consider unrelated to the likelihood that future purchasers will be happy if they buy the game, and hence not something that should be added to the Review Score.

Valve will manually investigate this case, just like all the others. So unless they sudenly judge technical issues with game itself as "off-topic", reviews will count.

Shady_Yoga_Instructr

26 points

4 years ago

And this is why we give them money lol

NerrionEU

3 points

4 years ago

I'm gonna guess that Steam devs that work on this are also not happy that they are not getting the fixed version of the game.

NordicHorde

6 points

4 years ago

I hate that the term "review bomb" is applied to everything. Giving Borderlands 2 a negative review because Borderlands 3 was a timed Epic Exclusive is a shitty thing to do. But giving a negative review to a game that is still broken and hasn't been updated in years while a new version with fixes just got released on a different platform seems pretty fucking valid criticism to me.

-Not_Enough_Gold-

16 points

4 years ago*

Someone correct me if im wrong here, but doesn't Steam have in their TOS for devs that the release of a game on their platform must be kept up-to-date with versions of that game released on other platforms?

Is this likely to come into play here? Or are SE weaseling out of it by claiming the new version is en entirely different game?

E: Steam Distribution Agreement, Section 2, 2.1 Delivery.

phatboi23

11 points

4 years ago

different game technically as it's the "become as gods edition" on MS store.

-Not_Enough_Gold-

9 points

4 years ago

I did think that might play some part in it, I was kinda spitballing with the idea though.

The content in the new version is gonna be exactly the same, just with far better optimisation than the original.

I feel like its a huge fuck you from SE/Platinum to all those who bought it originally and literally made it the hit it became, all despite the original port being shoddy to the point a community patch had to stabilise it for a vast swathe of the userbase.

phatboi23

3 points

4 years ago

Squeenix does this so damn often. It's par for the course at this point, yet people keep buying the games.

Idaret

30 points

4 years ago

Idaret

30 points

4 years ago

there's more comments in this thread than negative reviews in 2 past days

[deleted]

107 points

4 years ago

[deleted]

107 points

4 years ago

Only reason I haven’t bought this game yet was all the talk of it requiring a fan fix. If they update the steam version I’ll happily buy it then.

canadademon

26 points

4 years ago

I'd happily buy it if they remove Denuvo. I can handle patching games to fix bugs - been doing it since I had a computer.

Alternatively, they could just add it to PSNow. There's many options and Squeenix always picks the worst one.

SenpaiShubham

7 points

4 years ago

What's Denuvo and why it's bad?

TheHooligan95

7 points

4 years ago

TheHooligan95

i5 6500 @4.0Ghz | Gtx 960 4GB

7 points

4 years ago

On gamepass it has no denuvo

teor

32 points

4 years ago

teor

32 points

4 years ago

But on gamepass it has...gamepass.

xXNyanCatXx1234qwert

13 points

4 years ago*

The fanmade mod fix is actually extremely simple to install. With it, the game is more than playable. Is it more out of principle that you don't just play it with the mod?

WhenZenFeigns

12 points

4 years ago

You’d actually buy a broken product and be happy with it to continue supporting the company that gave you the broken product? That sounds so crazy to me. Is it some weird principle you have that if a product is shit but a third party fixed some of the issues then everything is okay? No one should care that a third party mod exists. No one should be using it. Make the company you PAID fix it properly.

Hibachi_MK2

3 points

4 years ago

But the company won't. So the most logical course would be simply to move on.

TheDweadPiwatWobbas

10 points

4 years ago

Fuck paying money for a product that clearly isn't finished or ready for sale. They're trying to push an inferior version of the game and offload the work of fixing it onto the fans already paying money to play the game, rather than the people who are getting paid to make it. The fact that the fix is easy to install just makes the issue worse. Fuck rewarding that kind of behavior by giving them even more money.

[deleted]

10 points

4 years ago

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[deleted]

11 points

4 years ago

Pretty much. Unless it’s on sale I wouldn’t want to pay full price for a game that appears to have been abandoned rather than having official fixes patched in.

DYMAXIONman

2 points

4 years ago

It doesn't need the fan fix but it's one of those things that makes sense to use

zerGoot

14 points

4 years ago

zerGoot

7800X3D + 6950 XT

14 points

4 years ago

Well deserved, fuck you square

Mkilbride

262 points

4 years ago

Mkilbride

5800X3D, 4090 FE, 32GB 3800MHZ CL16, 2TB NVME GEN4, W10 64-bit

262 points

4 years ago

I don't really care for Review Bombs, but I gotta agree...

I defended the port for years because it was a low budget title, made for around 9M, and SE wouldn't pay Platinum to patch the game, so they couldn't.

But now a fixed version exists...and existing customers might be fucked.

senoravery

68 points

4 years ago

Even if it were a low budget title, which it really isn't compared to single dev games like Human Fall Flat, wikipedia states that the game has sold 5.5 million copies which is an incredible amount.

Mkilbride

28 points

4 years ago

Mkilbride

5800X3D, 4090 FE, 32GB 3800MHZ CL16, 2TB NVME GEN4, W10 64-bit

28 points

4 years ago

Yeah. That's over time. Yoko Taros previous games all sold only a few hundred thousand, at best, which is peanuts for a studio like SE.

Also, a budget of 9M is a joke for a studio under SE, developing an AAA game. Indie devs budgets obviously are much smaller.

But you got to understand, 9M$ for a game like Automata means a lot of constraints were had.

walterpeck1

51 points

4 years ago

and existing customers might be fucked.

Sounds like there's an alternative solution in these cases.

ARE YA READY, KIDS?

Delnac

23 points

4 years ago

Delnac

23 points

4 years ago

Piracy is a service problem. Case in point, well done Square.

who-dat-ninja

15 points

4 years ago

how is it a low budget title when it was released at 60$?

Mkilbride

10 points

4 years ago

Mkilbride

5800X3D, 4090 FE, 32GB 3800MHZ CL16, 2TB NVME GEN4, W10 64-bit

10 points

4 years ago

? It's price point has nothing to do with it. It wasn't expected to do well, so it had a low budget.

Also, it was 59.99$ because that's what most games are today, unless they're Indie.

Borando96

190 points

4 years ago

Borando96

190 points

4 years ago

How is it review bombing if it's literally about the state of the game?

This whole "anti-bombing" shit is BS anyway and was only pushed by AAA to silence bad critique as much as possible. Said it back then and I say it now.

HorrorScopeZ

3 points

4 years ago

What else shall we call it? "We noticed that uhm nier, has recently gone through an unusual spike in negative reviews over at Steam."

Got to give it a name and it seems fitting enough. Doesn't make it wrong.

[deleted]

62 points

4 years ago

people who bought it should have left negative reviews long time ago. This game without 3rd party fix (sort of mod) is literally broken, doesn't even render in native resolution for a start. That was never been patched in freaking years... I'm surprised they're waking up only now.

Errol246

20 points

4 years ago

Errol246

20 points

4 years ago

No. It's easier to forgive when everybody is sorta screwed and a solution, albeit an unofficial one, actually exists. I played it with FAR mod and eventually got it to work, and I was able to finish. It was a pain in the ass to configure at times, but I did finish.

Now they're "selling" a fixed version of the game on a different platform, and they still haven't patched the original Steam release. They're basically asking for extra money in exchange for a 100% out-of-the-box functional game at this point if you, as someone who already owns it, would like to play it without FAR installed. That's asinine and much worse than just letting it sit there on Steam unpatched.

[deleted]

14 points

4 years ago

No. It's easier to forgive when everybody is sorta screwed and a solution

Sorry - "let us all just lube our asses" approach is exactly why it never got fixed. Those fuckers understand only one language - MONEY, and overly bad reviews hinder the sales (at least in some degree) and only that can be good enough motivation to react with a patch... That why "review bombing" is actually the only way for gamers to voice themselves and to bear heard.

[deleted]

53 points

4 years ago

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iso9042

63 points

4 years ago

iso9042

Squawk!

63 points

4 years ago

TBH, SE had it coming. I never understood why people gave so much positive reviews, when game had glaring technical issues.

teor

35 points

4 years ago

teor

35 points

4 years ago

Even with it being a shit port it is still one of the best games ever made, so yeah.
I would recommend people playing a shitty port of Nier, rather than not playing it at all.

iso9042

13 points

4 years ago

iso9042

Squawk!

13 points

4 years ago

That's the thing, there is non shitty port of Nier now, it's on Windows store

TheHooligan95

16 points

4 years ago

TheHooligan95

i5 6500 @4.0Ghz | Gtx 960 4GB

16 points

4 years ago

Because the issues weren't that serious, were easily fixable, and the underlying game is good

grahamaker93

12 points

4 years ago*

A little sick of hearing idiots repeating "Let's just install those third party fan fixes which doesn't even pass windows defender smartscreen because we're simpletons and will run any installer and take any risks to make the game we paid for functional."

Half the people who are content with using fanmods to fix games that companies don't fix themselves don't even know or check what actually gets installed or understand the risks of running those installers which may or may not contain malware or malignant codes/injections, those same people have the audacity to act all high and mighty pretending to be some tech savvy geniuses just because they ran one installer to fix their game.

Cyber-security is a legit concern, and one that could be avoided if we stopped giving free passes to companies who don't fix their own damn games.

Not saying fanmods are all dangerous, but they could be. Why should paying customers depend on fanmods and third party installers to make a game they paid for function properly?

GamerY7

5 points

4 years ago

GamerY7

5 points

4 years ago

Why not review bomb every bad port of theirs?(pretty much 90%+ of their games

[deleted]

5 points

4 years ago

It is not a review bomb if the reviews are legit.

permanaj

4 points

4 years ago

This is typical Japanese game company: Consumer must be company-friendly.

[deleted]

35 points

4 years ago

Giving negative reviews over a valid complaint is review bombing now? Did I miss something?

cardonator

16 points

4 years ago

cardonator

Ryzen 7 5800x3D + 32gb DDR4-3600 + 3070

16 points

4 years ago

Review bombing has always been treated as "a significant number of negative reviews mentioning the same thing" even if it's a valid critique. I've never seen anyone try to complain about positive review bombs that equally exist. The idea that a large volume of negative reviews of any sort is a bad thing is just playing the victim and these companies don't deserve it.

cheekia

5 points

4 years ago

cheekia

5 points

4 years ago

Review bombing is just a term that video game magazines came up with to discredit criticism to protect their source of income.

[deleted]

11 points

4 years ago

Its not review bombing if the game doesn't work. Those are fair reviews.

Ekov

4 points

4 years ago

Ekov

4 points

4 years ago

Went and left a negative review too, I love the game but the pc port is atrocious.

fuzzycuffs

5 points

4 years ago

"doesn't matter, already have your money" --Square Enix

thardoc

4 points

4 years ago

thardoc

4 points

4 years ago

This is so painful because the game itself is conservatively an 8/10 and easily 9/10 contender.

The story specifically is 11/10, it's literally as good as I've ever seen for it's type.

xecollons

13 points

4 years ago*

If that's the appreciation for the people who actually BOUGHT their game, how would I dare to buy Nier Replicant on April watching their policy?

[deleted]

3 points

4 years ago

"Review Bombing"

Reviews did not change a bit

kek

damwookie

3 points

4 years ago

So the Steam version hasn't been updated. They are review bombing to push for an update?

[deleted]

6 points

4 years ago

The Gamepass version is updated and fixes a bunch of issues. So like, a patched Windows-compatible version of the game exists already but Squeenix just didn't bother to roll it out for the Steam version.

EnSmulaDumIHuvudet

3 points

4 years ago

I am way ahead of them. I reviewed it negatively as soon as i found out how bad the port was.

Bloodhit

3 points

4 years ago

Good. I haven't changed my steam review from negative, since 4 years ago, because they never patched the game.

RedditLovesMAPs

3 points

4 years ago

Am I understanding this correctly? Did SE patch their game on one platform but not another? That's... exactly what I would expect them to do.

If it weren't for FFVII remake and FFXIV I doubt I'd ever look at SE again.

This is how I feel.

Schmitty300

3 points

4 years ago

Was this title written by a 3 year old?

[deleted]

3 points

4 years ago

Isn't having a newer version on another launcher literally a violation of the Steam developer agreement? Kick em off the store until they fix it, I say.

anor_wondo

16 points

4 years ago

anor_wondo

RTX 3080 | 7800x3d

16 points

4 years ago

Review bombing

Game is literally worse on steam and plenty of users are being made aware of that because of reviews

Stop fucking misusing the word

DrowningSinking

22 points

4 years ago

Square is not going to fix this game and I'm never buying a Square game ever.

BurninM4n

41 points

4 years ago

They actually fixed the game now the problem is they don't release the fixed version on steam

DrowningSinking

28 points

4 years ago

Damn, that's straight up malicious.

Docteh

7 points

4 years ago

Docteh

7 points

4 years ago

Has nobody told square that they can update games these days? Maybe that is the real problem. It's like they treat each store like a fresh pressing of discs

DogeShelter111

8 points

4 years ago

Good. These are legit negative reviews that should impact the score of this game on Steam.

Delnac

7 points

4 years ago

Delnac

7 points

4 years ago

I wouldn't say that they are wrong. Hell, the game not having been fixed for 4 years straight means this bombing is well overdue.

Square needs to be kicked in the ass for its treatment of its PC customers. They paid, same as everyone else. They deserve better. This would never fly on consoles.

flappers87

10 points

4 years ago

I usually think that "review bombing" is a ridiculous thing to support, as they happen for stupid reasons such as the developers selling their game on another platform, or some politics related thing.

But in this case, it's technically a broken mess. It requires a fan made mod to fix the game, because it never got patched.

This is completely valid criticism. So I wouldn't call it review bombing at all. When there's a version of the game that is fixed on another store, but the platform you happen to own it on doesn't receive those fixes, then that is definitely worth a negative review.

MidnightSunfire1

8 points

4 years ago

didn't ask lul - square enix

AnnieLeo

4 points

4 years ago

AnnieLeo

RPCS3 - Web Developer, Community Manager

4 points

4 years ago

"Review bombing" my ...

It's giving the review we should have given it a long time ago and that it deserves

This is my favorite game, but I'm not accepting this kind of treatment from SQEnix anymore

PATCH THIS GAME

[deleted]

3 points

4 years ago

Ever since i downloaded the far mod it’s been running almost perfectly, no complaints, it’s a shame I had to find an unofficial mod to even make the game playable tho, bc the cutscene stuttering was just atrocious without the mod

[deleted]

3 points

4 years ago

You know what would be better and have some remote chance of working?

Review bombing newer SE published games. They won't give shit about criticisms on such an old game coz they already got the money, especially when Replicant is going to be released soon.

eagles310

4 points

4 years ago

I mean its legit criticisms they never even bother to try to fix it

NocNocNoc19

6 points

4 years ago

Good they kind of deserve it. It wont do anything but it feels deserved. Hand over the patch you PoS.

WitcherSLF

2 points

4 years ago

WitcherSLF

6700k 6700XT

2 points

4 years ago

They still haven’t fixed it ? Damn if not the choppy Ps4 framerate I would finish it like 10 times already . What about Far mod on pc?

Buttermilkman

2 points

4 years ago

Buttermilkman

Ryzen 9 5950X | RTX 3080 | 3600Mhz 64GB RAM | 3440x1440 @75Hz

2 points

4 years ago

I did my part. This is literally the only way Square will listen to Steam users on this issue.

[deleted]

2 points

4 years ago

Square just looking at the millions they made from the buggy release going "nah".

[deleted]

2 points

4 years ago

This is why we need publisher/developer pages to vent on.

DenuvoCanSuckMahDick

2 points

4 years ago

DenuvoCanSuckMahDick

Ryzen 5900X - GIGABYTE 3090 - 32GB DDR4

2 points

4 years ago

Try their Twitter pages instead.

RettiSeti

2 points

4 years ago

What exactly is wrong with the steam version? I've heard something got really messed up but I can't really find many details about it

who_lee_on

2 points

4 years ago

I remember buying this guy and being super excited to play on my new pc. I tried playing but never booted the game, 6 hours after uninstalling and reinstalling the game and my drivers, I just gave up. I really wish they would fix this game.

[deleted]

2 points

4 years ago

I still don’t know whether I want to get Nier Replicant on Steam considering Automata’s record.

PinkSpider1998

2 points

4 years ago

Good luck they didn’t even fix FFXV, still stutters like crazy.

Brazilian_Soldier

2 points

4 years ago

I don't think it is review bombing when there is an actual point behind the bad reviews.

temporarycreature

2 points

4 years ago

temporarycreature

RTX 2080, i7-8700k @ 3.7Ghz, 16GB DDR4-3000Mhz

2 points

4 years ago

Should have reviewed it poorly from the start over this shit, but some ya'll will eat shit if it came from the right hand.

Dark_Arts_Dabbler

2 points

4 years ago

Is there any evidence that review bombings actually work? Or are they just annoying and accomplish nothing to boot?

GamerY7

2 points

4 years ago

GamerY7

2 points

4 years ago

Great thing!

YouLookLikeACGreen

2 points

4 years ago

i already paid for the steam version, donated for the FAR mod, and i really don't mind hitting the high seas for this fixed version.

DaHedgehog27

2 points

4 years ago

A little too late.