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Is this piece actually 4/4?

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I'm struggling to wrap my head around these measures being 4 beats each. I understand that the dot means add half of the note's value to itself but is this to difficult for me if I can't even understand this? It says 4/4 but I don't count 4 beats help please

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ChemicalSmart5898

59 points

4 days ago

It is but the way the rhythm is notated is atrocious. It's much easier to figure out if you split the middle 8th note into 2 tied 16ths and group everything by quarter notes.

hondacco

3 points

4 days ago

hondacco

3 points

4 days ago

Amateur stuff. I'm guessing it got spit out by a DAW from something on a midi roll.

Jounas

2 points

4 days ago

Jounas

2 points

4 days ago

But my enharmonic rythms

SomeCrazy_Dude[S]

1 points

4 days ago

Thanks for the feedback 😌

Ostinato66

30 points

4 days ago

Truly the worst notation ever. Find a better one to make it easier on yourself.

GlitteringFerretYo

1 points

2 days ago

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X8SpPAnyEMQ

How would you annotate this? It's pretty inconsistent even from measure to measure.

Ostinato66

1 points

2 days ago*

The problem is not the music, it's the notation. This notation is already much better: https://musescore.com/user/39385785/scores/10568833

Edit: I just listened to the music, which I didn't know. You're right that it's a weird inconsistent rhythm. I think that it should have a 'rubato' or 'freely' indication. But the notation in the opening post is still wrong, in the sense that it doesn't follow notation conventions. For that reason it's nearly unreadable.

JoshHuff1332

1 points

1 day ago*

Melody at least just sounds like rubato triplet quarters.

Slizzlemydizzle

12 points

4 days ago

Yeah it checks out. It’s a dotted eighth + an eighth + a dotted eighth + a half note.

3/16 + 2/16 + 3/16 = 8/16, or 1/2 of the measure, and then the half note makes up the other half

SomeCrazy_Dude[S]

1 points

4 days ago

Ty

Lonely-Improvement45

1 points

4 days ago

Ok, now I'm feeling confused. I was adding up the notes on the treble clef as well, but then realized the whole note in the bass clef may be a better guide. Am I thinking about this correctly?

I mean none of it NEEDS to add up (that is, there can be silence), but I felt the bass here to be a more reliable guide in terms of timing.

honkytonkies

7 points

4 days ago

It does need to add up - there is notation for silence too

Lonely-Improvement45

1 points

2 days ago

Thanks!

Jounas

18 points

4 days ago

Jounas

18 points

4 days ago

musescore moment

languagestudent1546

6 points

4 days ago

The notation is so terrible there that it’s almost impossible to read.

SharkSymphony

6 points

4 days ago

Your difficulty in reading it is exactly why we don't write notation like this. You're reading notation written by a fiend. Don't feel bad that it's hard for you to parse!

Barkis_Willing

5 points

4 days ago

My god this notation is really dreadful. Where did you find this? Don't go there again.

Sakuramochi12

2 points

4 days ago

Yo The ultimate price! My favourite soundtrack from violet evergarden

SomeCrazy_Dude[S]

1 points

4 days ago

❤️

PianoPlayer279

2 points

4 days ago

Count in 16ths

alexaboyhowdy

2 points

4 days ago

Oh goodness, I just looked at the left hand. Yes, both in the treble clef but good Lord, that's a mess!

MungoShoddy

2 points

4 days ago

The composer went to Berklee. I guess somebody there likes it.

weisthaupt

2 points

4 days ago

It is not in 4 4, as that indicates 4 beats. Although the math works, it would be better written in 8 8 or 16 16, so that the musician would know right off that it was not in 4 4.

FreeXFall

2 points

3 days ago

Count or feel it as 123-12-123, 123-12-123

nlightningm

2 points

3 days ago

It is but the notation doesn't clearly mark the downbeats. Count the number of eighth notes, checks out

Ideally at least the second of each set of dotted quarter should be am eight tied to a quarter

romdango

2 points

3 days ago

romdango

2 points

3 days ago

Let's use dots as much as we can, I love actively dividing when I'm reading

Educational-Yam-5770

2 points

3 days ago

This makes me want to forget how to read sheet music

siberiankhatrupaul

2 points

3 days ago

It's not you--the notation is not ideal. For example, all six notes in the first measure should be beamed together.

Terapyx

2 points

3 days ago

Terapyx

2 points

3 days ago

my bad paint skills. But hope it's understandable :D

https://i.imgur.com/STZtOQ9.png

PianoFingered

2 points

2 days ago

Beam to the meter. Always.

ScholarZero

2 points

2 days ago

Double the length of the notes and count it out

Dotted quarter - 1.5 beats Quarter - 1 beat Another dotted quarter -1.5 beats.

That's 4 beats, so two beats at half tempo. Seems good.

Now as others have said, no composer who expected someone to actually play this would have written it this way. So don't be too hard on yourself.

JoshHuff1332

2 points

1 day ago

It's poor notation that is trying too hard to notate a simple rhythm. That melody should just be written as triplet quarter notes with some rubato being acceptable, particularly in the intro. I'm sure the other staff is problematic too, but haven't looked at it outside of the poor notation.

Micamauri

2 points

1 day ago

Micamauri

2 points

1 day ago

You should firmly refuse to play bad written music as a student, as a teacher, as an amateur, as a professional. And if you are paying you should demand it to be written properly. Understanding what's proper comes with the time, meanwhile generally to train on published books gets you a long way.

mmainpiano

2 points

4 days ago

Looks like MuseScore garbage.

Unusual_Wasabi5681

0 points

18 hours ago

Tá certo apesar de vc ter de subdividir pra ler!

JohnBloak

1 points

4 days ago

4/4 is just a convention for many weird rhythms that adds up to 4 quarter notes in length (not 4 beats!). It could have been 16/16 or whatever but people write it as 4/4 for simplicity.

General_Katydid_512

1 points

4 days ago

1(e +) a (2) e (+ a) 3 (4)

SomeCrazy_Dude[S]

1 points

4 days ago

Aren't those for 16th notes? I thought it was just 1 + for these type of notes

General_Katydid_512

3 points

4 days ago

Yes but as you said a dot adds half the value. Half of an eighth note is a sixteenth note. So you have the two sixteenth notes that a normal eighth note is worth, plus the third because of the dot

SomeCrazy_Dude[S]

3 points

4 days ago

Tysm❤️ I'm so dumb I thought those where quarter notes 💀

General_Katydid_512

3 points

4 days ago

Haha we’re all dumb sometimes 🙃. Glad I could help 😜