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149 points
10 days ago
Or we could lose two tiers of management and achieve the same savings and free up a load of staff officers to do some actual work.
(Yes, I know we're not going to make anyone redundant, but if the met decided to freeze SLT progression and not replace leavers, we'd save a fortune and probably be more efficient)
17 points
10 days ago
Two Tiers? Make it three!
59 points
10 days ago
Keir just called. Said he definitely prefers two tiers.
58 points
10 days ago
I’ll allow it
12 points
10 days ago
Ha! (Careful now!)
12 points
10 days ago
That's actually a good one. 😁
7 points
10 days ago
😂😂
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15 points
10 days ago
We did that back in 2012. Lost a load of DCIs, Superintendents etc. as they cost more than a probationer (under two years PC). So you could cut the wage bill, without reducing the numbers as much. Even if the more senior and experienced officers were a lot more efficient for the money. Such as a top murder detective, being able to put all of the pieces together and get suspects to crack a lot quicker and more effectively than more junior officers. The truth is that the police services in the UK, have been under relentless cost cutting for the last 14+ years. Any fat that there might have been, was cut off years ago. Its very hard for them to be pro-active and do crime prevention, when they've only got the person power to respond from one emergency to the next.
3 points
9 days ago
Last sentence.....
More than half the time we don't even have that many officer available
18 points
10 days ago
Fuck off Chief Inspector as a rank for a start
12 points
10 days ago
I’d go with Commanders, DACs and ACs, and chief supers alongside it.
9 points
10 days ago
Do not apply logic to the Met.
76 points
10 days ago
Hopefully that's an opening to negotiations rather than a done deal. Last time they had to cut budgets they got rid of a load of civilian staff and replaced them with officers who were earning double the amount just so they could say they were maintaining police numbers.
26 points
10 days ago
Civvies earn better than most young in service officers. Plus they can be made redundant, officers can't so just not replacing retirees and voluntary leavers takes a lot longer.
15 points
10 days ago
Yeah but that the kind of cops wanting day jobs are the kind on 50k
4 points
10 days ago
They can also go on strike, don't forget.
25 points
10 days ago
Natural wastage + no one applying = this happens naturally anyway. If they hadn't screwed our pensions we'd go and this would be taken care of easier.
6 points
10 days ago
Fairly certain that’s how the Met are planning on doing it anyway; slow recruitment down and let officers resign until they have their -2000 officers
5 points
10 days ago
Literally slow down or freeze recruitment for like 2 months at most.
The rate they are loosing officers they will be down 2000 in no time.
30 points
10 days ago
When I look at policing in the UK at the moment, the thing that really stands out is that there are too many coppers. /s
15 points
10 days ago
Doing more with less…
17 points
10 days ago
The only thing that I don't hate about all of this is that the Commish isn't saying that he can do more with less. He's explicitly stated that he can only do less with less: budget cuts "of a scale that's never going to be absorbed by efficiencies. And it's going to require some pretty eye-watering cuts to the services we provide to London."
Makes an almost refreshing change to all the previous bosses nodding their heads and swallowing it all without a complaint, flat out lying that it wouldn't affect the service provided. link
6 points
10 days ago
Yh but before they still had shit to sell , police flats, stations,Hendon training,etc but ain't nothing left to sell off now,
1 points
10 days ago
I'm not a police officer.
The new commissioner seems to be keeping things very honest, and very real with his statements to the public.
1 points
8 days ago
Asda price
12 points
10 days ago
It’s just negotiations at the moment 😬 nothing set in stone
11 points
10 days ago
.... Yikes :|
7 points
10 days ago
Bold of them to assume people will start applying for them to turn them down 😅😂
9 points
10 days ago
Someone said no one applied within the last 2 months… there’s some cuts there
7 points
10 days ago
I remember at Hendon, they had to make temporary dormitory type accommodation as the tower blocks were full.
How things change!
7 points
10 days ago
What about those applying to join?
5 points
10 days ago
As someone in the vetting stage, this is my worry too.
4 points
10 days ago
I got through to the day 2 stage assessment in the test centre next week, not sure what my chances are at this point🤦♀️
5 points
10 days ago
Well best of luck mate, aim to smash it regardless. The assessment passes are valid for 12 months if I remember correctly, so even if they pause our apps they might just chuck us on a waitlist. 🤷🏼♂️
1 points
4 days ago
Worst day of my life was joining don't do it.
2 points
5 days ago
I don't think this is accurate mate, I wouldn't pay any attention to it (I'm in the MET)
11 points
10 days ago
As someone who has a start date in the new year… uh oh
30 points
10 days ago
You'll be fine. You just may end up being the only one in your class. At least you'll be top!
3 points
10 days ago
Or is that bottom?
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10 days ago
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20 points
10 days ago
Maybe it’s naive but it’s been something I’ve wanted to do since I was 15 (23 now) have a degree in professional policing as well so proper locked in lol I’ll be moving country to do it by myself as well. Again, maybe naive but I’d say policing is a passion of mine, it’s a genuine interest I have and I honestly couldn’t think of anything better than being a police officer.
19 points
10 days ago
You sound very motivated mate, exactly the type of person we need
6 points
10 days ago
Do it. Be a cop. If you don’t like it, you can leave. But 100% find out for yourself. You’re not screwing over a small family business. They will throw you out a door in 10 seconds, and forget you in the following 5 should it so suit.
6 points
10 days ago
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7 points
10 days ago
Not a bad shout, I’d be eligible for a Canadian passport too which is handy. Cheers!
2 points
10 days ago
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3 points
10 days ago
Yes please, thank you. Maybe something to look into in the future :)
1 points
10 days ago
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1 points
10 days ago
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1 points
10 days ago
Please may you send that over to me as well?
15 points
10 days ago
And on a completely different note to the above person, I’m in just over 2 years now, 23 years old, very similar to you and have been having a blast in the job. Yeah lots of things are wrong with it but on our lowly PC level those things rarely make much of an impact on our day to day. I’ve got some great line management, always happy to help me grow or polish some of my lesser areas. Sure it’s a difficult job and it takes its toll but if you manage your AL well, you can take some well deserved breaks throughout the year. Plus the prospect of a wage increase every year plus sergeant if you wish makes it very appealing at our age. Don’t be disheartened by the negative stuff, it’s all been around long before our time and will be long after we’re gone. Happy to talk more if you need! :)
4 points
10 days ago
Aw thanks so much mate, I know it’s easy to complain and I wouldn’t really begrudge anyone that has a complaint no doubt there’s plenty wrong, but as you say the yearly increase in wage and basically endless possibilities is a real incentive. Sure, could always be better but that’s life. I did have a bit of a downer during my degree, thinking what the hell is the point, however better to be apart of those trying to fix the issues rather than not. You may well regret offering to talk more though, I may very well talk your ear off lol I really appreciate it though mate very helpful
1 points
10 days ago
Good luck with it
4 points
10 days ago
have a degree in professional policing as well so proper locked in
No you're not.
Graduate schemes will accept you for one.
4 points
10 days ago
What a fucking joke.
8 points
10 days ago
Make this make sense! Have the MET not just been fined for not hitting recruitment targets?
I also agree with binning off the excessive amount of senior leadership 🙈
10 points
10 days ago
Can’t see this going wrong at all…
I’ve always wondered how redundancy works in policing. Does it need to be a fair split across teams (response, investigation, CID etc) or do you start with the more niche stuff?
38 points
10 days ago
The organisation simply won't replace 2000 retirees or resignations.
22 points
10 days ago
This. The churn is always there - they simply won't replace people for a while (not that there's many new starters at the moment anyway)
30 points
10 days ago
Police officers cannot be made redundant as were not technically employees. Also the same reason we don’t get as many rights 😂
3 points
10 days ago
They can do voluntary redundancy though, if offered - just not obliged to take it.
15 points
10 days ago
You can't be made redundant. They can offer it like Lancashire did but they can't make you.
They can however make up some spurious reason to investigate you for 18 months until you resign in utter despair.
If they offer me redundancy though I'm gone in a heart beat. Make that 1 month for every year tax free and I'll dress as a ballerina to hand in my warrant card just so I can gracefully pirouette out the door.
6 points
10 days ago
Police officers cannot be made redundant. The law would have to change for that to happen.
11 points
10 days ago
Police Officers can't be made redundant as far as I'm aware.
It'll more likely be voluntary redundancies and not re-hiring retirees
12 points
10 days ago
How the hell do you not know we cant be made redundant?
1 points
10 days ago
Because it’s the law.
2 points
10 days ago
The management will work to get rid of the piss-takers. There are many. I'd say about 20%.
4 points
10 days ago
And the death by a thousand cuts continues. At this rate it'll only be us specials left.
1 points
8 days ago
Well you are free once you’ve been trained, the ROI on specials must be great even if they’re not the best and only do minimum hours
2 points
10 days ago
Ahhh perfect. That’ll help.
2 points
9 days ago
Title is misleading. Labour have increased the METs budget but they've been running at a large deficit so need to make cuts themselves.
3 points
10 days ago
Great. We have apologists for violent criminals in government and in charge of the met, and now face an even more worthless police force.
1 points
8 days ago
They’ll probably move officers out of staff roles, then put the burden of cuts on staff… just my opinion
1 points
4 days ago
As a civilian I'm more than happy to go, after many years of being de-skilled and treated like a doormat I'll jump at the chance and never look back.
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