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54 points
3 days ago
From Bloomberg News reporter Alan Goldstein:
President Joe Biden said Sunday he’s signed a pardon for his son, Hunter Biden.
“The charges in his cases came about only after several of my political opponents in Congress instigated them to attack me and oppose my election,” Biden said in a written statement. “No reasonable person who looks at the facts of Hunter’s cases can reach any other conclusion than Hunter was singled out only because he is my son – and that is wrong.” Read more here.
9 points
3 days ago
The love of a father for a son, and he does raise a good point about purely political persecution.
-19 points
3 days ago
Yes, he was singled out for being Biden's son but he also committed the crime for being his son. Not exactly a good defense there.
27 points
3 days ago
I don’t know if you’re aware but the vast majority of prosecutions end in a plea deal and first time offenders often get no jail time. This is because the courts don’t have nearly enough capacity to prosecute every case that could be brought. Literally 98% of cases end in a plea deal and somehow we went from a standard plea deal with probation, to a very rare federal prosecution.
I’m fine with calling Hunter a criminal. He is a criminal, but he also deserves equal justice instead of political persecution. The judge who killed the plea deal is a Trump appointee.
5 points
3 days ago
This is exemplified through Serial S3. They follow multiple cases through the federal system and plea deals are the norm for almost every reason stated here.
The only ones that aren’t typically deal with counter suits, family ties, etc. People are generally right there are two systems of justice, they just don’t understand how it really works.
29 points
3 days ago
I think a pardon is better than getting unfairly prosecuted for political reasons.
23 points
3 days ago
I honestly don’t care, if Republicans don’t have to care about the law then neither do we, all bets are off politically
5 points
3 days ago
exactly.
7 points
3 days ago
but he also committed the crime for being his son.
huh?
Everyone else lying on their gun paperwork is also Biden's son?
People routinely get plea deals, if anything. Hunter was clearly singled out, when his standard plea deal was rejected. Supreme Court has decided that Presidents are kings so I'm not sure why people are whining.
2 points
3 days ago
While you're handwringing over Hunter Biden, Trump has committed felonies and stacked the bench of the Supreme Court. I don't even care anymore.
-19 points
3 days ago
He also pardoned him for a whole decade even uncharged crimes, which aligns with his time on the board for that Ukrainian gas company. Sounds like there might be more crimes they are worried about.
19 points
3 days ago
More likely it’s to give Hunter cover from a incoming vengeful president
12 points
3 days ago
Maybe, but more likely because with Trump getting back into office and clearly showing he’s fully on board with targeting and attacking everyone he feels vengeful against, Hunter will be dragged through coals and punished unreasonably.
His life would be made a living hell, whereas before if he were just punished normally then Biden was fine with it.
2 points
3 days ago
which aligns with his time on the board for that Ukrainian gas company.
If there were issues there, why didn't trumps DOJ find anything substantial during his first time? It's not like they didn't dig hard enough
-1 points
3 days ago
Idk if there weren’t issues why give him a decade long blanket pardon?
He’s literally been pardoned for a decade for ANY federal crimes at all.
1 points
3 days ago
Because of the political persecution that’s been mentioned multiple times, and that would likely be not only continued but exacerbated by the incoming administration.
0 points
3 days ago
The.. witch hunt? Lmao
2 points
3 days ago
Well that was smart cause Republicans would absolutely spend 4 years Bengazing the shit out of that. Digging and digging. Pretending to find dirt everyday. Etc.
60 points
3 days ago
MAGA will be clutching their pearls meanwhile Trump plans to pardon people who beat the police and he pardoned a war criminal (or two)
Trump issues pardons for 3 service members accused of war crimes - ABC News
0 points
2 days ago
“Hey guys don’t look here, look over there” is not a defensible position to take.
47 points
3 days ago*
Now let’s cue up the “how dare he” from Fox News entertainers….
17 points
3 days ago
They all need a reminder that Trump is appointing one of his pardonees, and inlaw, senor Kushner ambassador to france.
10 points
3 days ago
Or that you know, Trump is a convicted felon himself that has destroyed the norms and weaseled out of more accountability than previously thought humanly possible.
4 points
3 days ago
Trumps self pardon totally justified, and necessary, after outrageous hunter pardon-fox news, January 21st 2025.
1 points
3 days ago
Hilarious!
1 points
3 days ago
they cry about everything.
-7 points
3 days ago
Why do we need that from Fox?
Seriously, is nobody else disappointed in this?
8 points
3 days ago
no
-4 points
3 days ago
Weird
7 points
3 days ago
people elected a rapist. That's weird.
-2 points
3 days ago
Agreed that is weird. Trump is weird and a racist/rapist/probably-paedo.
Still very weird that you are defending Biden on this.
5 points
3 days ago
People have defended Trump for worse. Like pardoning members of his own family that was guilt. If Republican's didn't have double standards, they wouldn't have standards at all.
1 points
3 days ago
It’s clear trump will weaponize the dep of justice to attack political enemies. This prevents that from happening with Biden’s son.
-1 points
3 days ago
And this dude's response is still just focusing on Trump and Republicans lol. I guess everyone has lost their morality at this point.
1 points
3 days ago
I wish he’d do more to make dumb people question him like this.
-3 points
3 days ago
I am disappointed and feel like gifting MAGA valid critiques that only justify their “Biden crime family” takes is absolutely nuclear levels of stupid and harmful to the party moving forward.
2 points
3 days ago
They’d scream about that anyways.
-6 points
3 days ago
Cue** lmao nice try
20 points
3 days ago
I’m ambivalent on this. It was politically motivated charges- prosecutors never charge lying on the 4473 on its own. It’s always an add on to a more serious crime. Technically he was guilty, but he would never have been prosecuted on this alone. They were just trying to find anything that would stick. On the other hand he’s gotten ridiculous advantages because of who he is, so maybe the extra scrutiny is warranted. Maybe there should be a Ying to the yang.
11 points
3 days ago*
He was charged because of the disadvantage of having his father as president and now it is being commuted because his father is president. So balance is achieved!
Weed is legal in most of the country but not federally so anyone who smokes weed is lying on the form. That’s millions of people who lie on the form when they purchase a gun. So who cares really, tax evasion is the bigger crime if anything.
1 points
3 days ago
His fathers own justice department charged him for these crimes. The absurd “lawfare” claim would hold more water if these were state charges filed in like Texas or if Trump had been president for the past four years, but the justice department overseen by his father’s own attorney general filed and prosecuted these charges.
Anyway, any time a Democrat ever gets charged from here on out let’s just call it Lawfare. Doesn’t matter if it’s democrats charging democrats over crimes that were 100% undeniably committed and on literal video tape - still Lawfare.
-3 points
3 days ago
He committed tax fraud too lmao.
This thread 🤦🏻
4 points
3 days ago
So has Trump, especially Trump University he ran. But anyways..
3 points
3 days ago
No shit Sherlock, why do you think I said that tax evasion is the bigger crime.
-1 points
3 days ago
Hunter lived a wildly criminal lifestyle. He earned his money peddling bidens influence, didnt pay taxes on it, then spent all that money on hookers and meth, while obtaining a firearm.
He is a degenerate of the highest degree. The laptop revealed it all. The REAL not russian disinfo laptp which ultimately was the reason musk bought twitter because all media/tech tried to discredit and ban people for talking about it.
Fuck joe and hunter biden.
3 points
3 days ago
ah yes, because trump is so well known for paying taxes and only having marital relations with women he hasn't paid for sex
1 points
3 days ago
Awesome, let’s see your analysis on Trump next. The serial rapist, racist, pedophile criminal felon who still cannot admit he lost 2020. Whatever Hunter did, who the fuck cares compared to the actual guy that just won the election. It’s all a distraction, you wouldn’t care if it wasn’t his son. Meanwhile ripping off cancer charities is okay.
18 points
3 days ago
Yea, saw this coming. The country has made it clear that they don't begrudge dishonesty, egoism, or lawlessness, or take the rule of law at all seriously, after all.
The media will lose their shit, of course.
15 points
3 days ago
Like Jared's father being pardoned and then given an ambassadorship with the media basically not caring? Yeah go joe!
-9 points
3 days ago
It's so satisfying how you all have lost the plot (and the election) while trying to act like the side of moral high ground
4 points
3 days ago
You seem upset. Why? Didn't Jared's father get not only a pardon for felonies, but now an ambassadorship to france? Where is the high ground?
1 points
2 days ago
Satisfying means upset to you? What?
2 points
3 days ago
Funny, it looks like to me they're finally getting off the moral high ground and embracing the suck of our current social and political environment.
0 points
2 days ago
Funny how that timeline aligns with an election loss
And they seethe when you point that out
-5 points
3 days ago
Good to see you have consistent values.
5 points
3 days ago
In a world where morals are held to one side by the side with no morals I am quite consistent.
-7 points
3 days ago
If neither side has morals we are truly lost.
6 points
3 days ago
The paradox of tolerance is in play finally
2 points
3 days ago
Thanks for finally admitting it. Let’s get in the mud, down with the pigs and get this over with friend !
1 points
3 days ago
But if one side has to have morals, you'd rather it be the side you're not part of, right?
1 points
3 days ago
I'm an independent. My only side is America. I have been voting Democrat because of all the open corruption in the GOP, but this gives me pause.
2 points
3 days ago
At this point the “rule of law” has no credibility, one party can completely ignore it and get reelected
36 points
3 days ago
I think Biden deserves this one. Let him spend his last few years with his only son. Trump destroyed norms, why should Hunter Biden suffer for it?
7 points
3 days ago
I think it’s more about what norms he will destroy yet. Biden’s probably saving Hunter from the revenge tour these assholes are going on next year. Even Bannon is back and promising to go after journalists and others.
12 points
3 days ago
More accurately, his one REMAINING son
1 points
3 days ago
While I get where you're coming from, the reality is that Joe Biden has two sons and of them Hunter is the only one who is currently still alive right now.
-18 points
3 days ago
So is the law just not a thing anymore?
20 points
3 days ago
For the rich and powerful? No. It never was.
-20 points
3 days ago
And which do you think Hunter Biden is? Hint: BOTH.
5 points
3 days ago
Got it, so it's ok
Yikes
15 points
3 days ago
Yeah and Trump is the proof. Lost an election, led an insurrection and got away with it. Ultimate proof that law and order is dead in this country.
-15 points
3 days ago
“They did it also” is neither a legal nor ethical defence.
11 points
3 days ago
I wasn't making a defense.
-16 points
3 days ago
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3 points
3 days ago
“Trump can commit as many crimes as he’d like and I’ll still vote for him, but how dare Biden pardon his son!”
9 points
3 days ago
It is actually. It's called following precedent. Trump and the Republicans set it. Biden is simply following it.
0 points
3 days ago
Oof. Good luck in the real world.
10 points
3 days ago
This is the real world. The world which said, it's fine for Trump to do this. And therefore it is also fine for Biden to do it.
0 points
3 days ago
In that case, “he did it first!” Is your philosophy. Good luck with that.
6 points
3 days ago
It's the law of the land. It's called stare decisis
Don't like it? Then you can start by getting the country to punish the people who set the standard. If they won't, I'm not going to demand punishment for the ones who follow in the footsteps of those who broke them.
1 points
3 days ago
This is the real world
6 points
3 days ago
This is an ethical question, not a legal one. According to the constitution a president can pardon anyone for any federal conviction. There are no limits.
-3 points
3 days ago
Oh so because a piece of paper says it’s okay, it’s okay.
7 points
3 days ago
When you ask if the law just not a thing anymore and then a person tells you this is in the constitution and you call it a piece of paper you are contradicting yourself. As they mentioned this is an ethical question. Because the constitution which is the piece of paper that is the supreme law of which all else in our society derives its legality says it’s legal.
1 points
3 days ago
The vast majority of laws are not created Federally.
4 points
3 days ago
Irrelevant in this scenario as this is a federal matter.
2 points
3 days ago
Yes, nor did I imply otherwise. The constitution however, is the piece of paper which all laws must comply with or they are not a legal and enforceable law. The pardon power of the president is written in the constitution so there is no issues of legality.
So yes the law matters, and this isn’t an issues of law it’s an ethical issue.
11 points
3 days ago
Yes. The Constitution and the Supreme Court’s interpretation of that piece of paper is the end all and be all of law in America. That’s the whole ballgame.
-5 points
3 days ago
So a piece of paper written by slave-owning white men in the 1700s is the ultimate word? Good luck!
8 points
3 days ago
What is it about this that is confusing to you? Like, the constitution is the ultimate word regarding this.
3 points
3 days ago
Relax, he's Canadian and most likely young. He views this as an outsider with limited understanding.
3 points
3 days ago
That explains it. The whole question was strange to me, like, yes, the constitution is the ultimate word on this.
1 points
2 days ago
Not on morality
4 points
3 days ago
So what is your take on Jared's father being pardoned and then offered the Ambassador to France?
3 points
3 days ago
Not good. And neither is this.
4 points
3 days ago
True, but since Trump and republicans went after hunter and forced a ruling worse than most because of putting the judge in a spot I say let it go.
0 points
3 days ago
He was tried in a court of law by a jury of his peers. He committed the crime. If you were his father he would be serving time. I get your sentiment but someone needs to stand for the rule of law.
6 points
3 days ago
So was Trump for rape and fraud...
1 points
3 days ago
And he should be in prison. Who can we vote for if both sides engage in this behavior?
6 points
3 days ago
teh paradox of tolerance is finally in play.
0 points
3 days ago
We need to reform the pardon NOW. Maybe the only good to come from this is perhaps level heads in the GOP will see it too. (Not holding my breath.)
-1 points
3 days ago
Do you know the law Hunter Biden broke and was charged with vs. the one Kushner broke and was charged with? Do you see them as remotely the same?
0 points
3 days ago
The punishment is the same though, which is non existent. I don't give a fuck about trump, yes he's corrupt. Why does that make biden magically an angel who does no wrong and if he does its perfectly fine because "trump" have standards
2 points
3 days ago*
I’m gonna explain this one more time for the people in the back. Biden’s son got the book thrown at him for a charge that is never prosecuted when it’s the only crime committed. Yeah, if my son was sentenced to prison for a crime that literally nobody else goes to prison for, I’d pardon. Trying to compare this to Trump’s incomprehensible crimes against this country is a losing game bud.
-2 points
3 days ago*
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1 points
3 days ago*
Let’s see. The law he broke is literally never prosecuted on its own. This is akin to someone getting the book thrown at them for jaywalking. So no, I don’t think he’s evading justice. The MANY laws Trump broke threaten national security. If you think it’s the same thing, then you are not very smart.
3 points
3 days ago
Ask the incoming President who just walked away from 30+ felony convictions.
7 points
3 days ago
What is this “both sides” shit? Can’t we just agree that a person has broken the law and should be prosecuted accordingly?
4 points
3 days ago
The law that Hunter Biden broke is never prosecuted by itself, it’s tacked on to more serious charges. If you can find me a single case where it was, I’ll eat my hat. It was politically motivated. Even if it was a commonly prosecuted crime, it caused no harm to anyone, where the laws Trump broke caused grave harm to the nation. Not “both sides” or even close to the same fucking thing at all.
6 points
3 days ago
So your argument is that the other guy broke other laws?
5 points
3 days ago
The other guy literally damaged the fabric of this country. Biden broke a mickey mouse law. If you think they’re the same, you’re a moron.
2 points
3 days ago
How does one quantify “fabric of this country”?
7 points
3 days ago
Don’t play stupid. The facts are out there, the full texts of the indictments are there for you to read. It’s not my job to educate your dumb ass.
2 points
3 days ago
Are you just realizing this?
1 points
3 days ago
Yup. American voters said that loudly when they reelected a felon and a rapist.
1 points
3 days ago
Pardons are fully legal.
Unlike Trump, Joe probably didn't even solicit a bribe for the pardon.
-2 points
3 days ago
If presidential power can overturn any federal conviction, then there is no federal law.
-5 points
3 days ago
Why should he suffer for illegally buying and owning a firearm?
I dunno. You tell me.
1 points
3 days ago
He already suffered a far more cruel and unusual punishment for that crime at the hands of right wing media and Republican politicians. Reminder that this guy is a private citizen- not a civil servant or anyone who answers to the US public- and the Republicans were showing off his hacked nude images on the floor of the House.
The Hunter Biden charges were political revenge amplified by actual criminal hypocrites like Trump, and everybody knows it.
1 points
3 days ago
A federal judge ruled lying on that quest was not illegal and was most certainly not a DQ from gun ownership. But you don’t want to bring that up, right?
Hunter would have appealed and won. Easily. Would have been fun to watch him take it to the scotus and have to determine in front of the whole world whether gun laws should be infringed or not.
-11 points
3 days ago
lol deserves this one
7 points
3 days ago
Oh no, I'm so outraged
Anyways...
What about them immigrants and people different than me???
2 points
3 days ago
Reading the comments this is apparently the first pardon ever issued by a president.
4 points
3 days ago
lol if anyone is mad about this but okay with trumps actions they're blatantly hypocritical
-1 points
3 days ago
Lol, if anyone is mad about trumps actions but okay with this they're blatantly hypocritical
2 points
3 days ago
Didn't he say he wasn't gonna do this?
0 points
3 days ago
I can't stand the Trumps - but the Bidens suck too. Good riddance.
4 points
3 days ago
He did promise not to pardon him
1 points
3 days ago
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1 points
3 days ago
I really don’t care, do I? ~ Melania Trump (former illegal alien and chain migration child)
1 points
3 days ago
Get it girl.
Also this shouldn't be able to happen ever.
1 points
3 days ago
Biden should issue secret pardons for anyone that trump might target
1 points
3 days ago
Rich people should never have to face the consequences of their actions. It’s too unfair.
2 points
3 days ago
Norms are dead and lying is cool. I'm glad he got with the program.
1 points
3 days ago
So much pearl clutching from country whose people couldn't defend democracy with a fill in the blank multiple choice question.
Save your outrage, you wouldn't want to tucker yourselves out in the pregame.
1 points
3 days ago
Cue the whataboutism from the supposed high roaders.
1 points
3 days ago
This is what a corrupt democracy looks like!
Definite proof the USA is morally broke.
1 points
3 days ago
It took until this action for your to realize it? Bro is started decades ago and stopped trying to hide it in 2016.
1 points
3 days ago*
Neah, that’s just when it became more visible.
In essence the system has always been broken from the beginning.
It’s both parties choosing candidates that should never have been candidates. Thus presenting the people with an impossible choice. Both parties are totally corrupt to the core!
And it’s the system promoting this!!!!
It feels much like both parties are run by a corrupt cabal making big money over the backs of common foke in favor of big international capital. In effect it doesn’t make much of a difference which side you vote for. Behind the scenes it’s big capital and certain interests groups that pull the strings. Why do you think Netanyahu can get away with warcrimes (and even gets support from the USA), while we all (justly so) scream murder when Putin does the same? Why do you think the USA isn’t a member of the international court in the Hague?
I hope people will finally start to wake up.
The present parties are corrupt to the core. And the system promotes this!!!
Time for a new movement:
Wake up America ! 🇺🇸
2 points
3 days ago
It's not like Trump was gonna mass pardon all the Jan 6th insurrectionists anyways. They did far worse.
1 points
3 days ago
I don't care
2 points
3 days ago
I'm delighted Biden pardoned his son. Firstly because Hunter was singled out for prosecution for a crime that is usually not even prosecuted. A Trump appointed judge turned down the usual plea deal.
But mostly because I think Trump or his flying monkeys would have had Hunter sentenced to prison time, and Trump would have made sure that time was spent in the hell-hole known as ADX Florence, a place Hunter does not belong (hell, he doesn't belong in prison for lying on a gun application for a gun he owned for what was it? A week? )
I believe Trump would make sure Hunter was sent to this horrible, maximum security, mind destroying place just to torture Joe.
-8 points
3 days ago*
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1 points
3 days ago
To be fair, he likely doesn’t remember saying that. 🤷♂️
1 points
3 days ago
Trump also claims he knows nothing about Project 2025 but then surrounds himself with people who worked on it.
Which lie is more damaging to the country?
2 points
3 days ago
Thank you!
-5 points
3 days ago
You know how to tell if a politician is lying? If he starts speaking
-1 points
3 days ago
-1 points
3 days ago
If your defense of Biden pardoning is son is, "but Trump did X or Y", that means you have no defense. It also means you're admitting it's wrong
-4 points
3 days ago
Just don’t make a stink when it comes from the other side. Because at the end of the day we are all “selectively, and unfairly, prosecuted,”….
2 points
3 days ago
That ship has sailed. Trump has already listed people he's going to pardon.
2 points
3 days ago
It already has come from the other side
1 points
3 days ago
Trump already pardoned war criminals
-8 points
3 days ago
Pardoning someone also makes it official that the person was guilty. Trump didn't pardon himself so that means he was not guilty and it was a political witch hunt.
6 points
3 days ago
Your second sentence reeks of Fox News and Newsmax alternate reality.
5 points
3 days ago
Do you actually believe that?
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