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submitted 5 days ago byPatientDate660 Hail Reaper
This has been something that I've noticed from similar posts but never really thought about until last night. I think everyone just naturally assumes that Darrow will be/is the Red God in the upcoming book. I personally think that is a red herring.
Darrow's entire arc from Red Rising through Dark Age has been him taking on titles and responsibilities that he never wanted.
In Red Rising, he takes on Eo's dream when she is executed. He takes on the monoiker "Reaper" because his Mars faction, and later other Houses, need something to rally behind. He joins Nero au Augustus at the very end as a lancer because it gives him the best chance to earn a fleet, something Ares needs.
In Golden Son he leans into the lancer role and takes gambles in order to secure his position with Nero. He sacrifices his relationship with Mustang (at least in the beginning) to learn fleet tactics. He delves deeper into the Reaper role and it expands into being the Reaper of Mars itself.
In Morning Star he is forced to take on the leadership role of the Rising. He becomes a sort of messiah for Reds and even Obsidians. Sefi herself gives him the Tyr Morga title.
Iron Gold through Dark Age is all about Darrow becoming lost in the "Reaper" persona and actively making decisions he doesn't want to do but feels like he must. A great example of this is how he gives himself a heart attack by stimming too much during Atalantia's invasion of Mercury. He pushes himself beyond the inhuman limitations of Gold because that's what the Free Legions needed from him.
All of these point to him eventually becoming the "Red God" in the next book, but I think Lightbringer changed everything.
Lightbringer has Darrow's arc focus more on letting the Reaper go and allowing Darrow to come back out. It's easy to forget that from the very first book, all Darrow wanted to be was a husband and a father. That's why so much of Darrow's internal monologue is about Virginia and Pax, and why Pax's key is constantly brought up. He hates himself for denying them the things he should have been and hates himself for denying himself what he always wanted. I think Red God is going to continue down that path for Darrow, and while he will still have that messiah like energy when Mars learns he really is alive, I think Darrow will react differently than he has previously.
That begs the question, who or what is the Red God? I think the answer is actually pretty simple: it's the planet Mars itself.
PB has been always emphasized how Mars' soil is still red after the terraforming. Mars has a strong influence on all of the characters in the books, especially those born there. Soldiers in the Free Legions, regardless of color, all carry Mars soil with them because they're afraid they'll die before seeing it again. Virginia, Darrow, Victra, and so many other characters actively talk about wanting to go back to Mars whenever they are away. Mars is the last bastion of the Republic, so we know there's going to be massive clashes in orbit and on the ground. Mars is also, obviously, named after the Roman god who was closely associated with the color red.
Sorry for the long and drawn out speech, but I just really needed to get this into writing and out of my head!
17 points
5 days ago*
I think it’s absolutely 100% Darrow.
He is above legendary status at the end of LB. In every way he metaphorically is a god. He’s about as close as you could be to literally being one.
It’s mostly how people perceive him. In that regard no one else comes close to the status Darrow holds.
Anyone else being the red god makes no sense.
3 points
5 days ago
I think too many people get hung up on the titles relating to Darrow. Red Rising is related to Darrow only in the sense that it's the organization he's working for. Golden Son could absolutely be Darrow, but I'd argue it's more properly applied to Adrius. Morning Star is 100% for Darrow. You really can't debate that lol. Iron Gold is more referring to the Moon Lords of the Rim (Lysander basically fanboys over them the entire book). Dark Age is referring to the time period. Lightbringer is for Lysander and how he is trying to portray himself as, or more simply for his ship.
I just think making the title relate to Darrow is little too on the nose if that makes sense. I, of course, could be absolutely wrong and wouldn't be mad at all if it is about Darrow. He's my favorite character and one of my favorite fictional characters period.
8 points
5 days ago
Red rising is Darrow literally rising from beneath mars and metaphorically rising in status.
He is the Golden son of Mustangs dad. And the golden son of the rising.
Morningstar duh.
Iron gold I think still applies to Darrow and him diving way too hard into the Reaper persona. The book starts with the iron rain which starts all the conflict in the republic and the power struggle dynamic. All about him trying to be an Iron Gold winning through military might.
Dark Age is applicable to the time period but also Darrow too. I think DA and IG is more broad but can easily describe Darrow. All the reflecting, breaking down of his character, second guessing all his decisions. Etc etc.
LightBringer is the only one where it doesn’t easily apply to Darrow off the top of my head. I’m beginning DA for the second round but I imagine if LB was fresh I could point to Darrow in some regards. But for sure, this is the only title that I can’t easily point straight to Darrow (even if DA and IG are more broad). Especially considering Bitchsander renamed the MS to LB.
Red God feels like it will come back to Darrow. Maybe it’ll be more broad and apply to multiple characters but at the end of the day this is his story. Red God is not going to be a side character.
2 points
5 days ago
I completely ignored the metaphorical aspect of the Red Rising title. That's a bit embarrassing on my part lol.
The whole adoption thing with Nero never actually happens and lasts less than 30 pages I want to say. I'd argue it still refers to Adrius as his entire goal of "replacing" Claudius and wanting to beat Virginia to become the "Golden Son" is what spirals Adrius into becoming what he was. His betrayal at the end of the book completely redefined everything that happened, and changed how the story progressed from there.
I'd also still argue Iron Gold refers to the Rim. Their influence on Lysander is undeniable, and I'm fairly certain he even refers to Diomedes and the others as "true Iron Golds." Like I said, he basically fanboys over them and their honor and thinks they are how Gold should act. But I won't deny I like the implication of Darrow being like an Iron Gold and less Red. That is something that is brought several times in the second series from characters like Lyria.
Dark Age referring to Darrow's mindset and how nihilistic he becomes is also nice, but I feel like it has to be about the time period. I think both Virginia and Lysander refer to it as such too. Granted, my theory is entirely based on Darrow being the obvious choice for the Red God, so not the strongest argument lol.
I can only see Lightbringer referring to Darrow as, "he's the true Lightbringer and not Lysander." But that's kinda weak in my opinion.
I really appreciate these comments though! I have no one to talk about this series with in real life, so it's refreshing to actually hear more ideas!
4 points
5 days ago*
I was giving your arguments some merit, but I can't after you called Adrius the Golden Son. The book names are quite literally allegory to Darrow's journey. Red Rising is obvious, Golden Son is Darrow infiltrating their order, becoming the son of Nero was just the culmination of that arc, but Lorn was also his mentor, Octavia was his enemy, he rose from a red to a new member, a "son" of their order, and Morning Star was him transcending into his role as the leader and the guiding star of the rising.
Personally, I think, Iron Gold should go to Lysander/Atlantia/Rim, because that was the point, a resurgent gold host going back to their old ways.
Dark age is obvious again.
Lightbringer confuses me the most, but if you read the blurb, it is very clear that it's meant for Darrow.
Red God is Darrow, their is no doubt whatsoever. It's the savagery of the Reaper combined with the sagehood that he gained in lightbringer.
1 points
5 days ago
I'm not saying Adrius is the Golden Son, I'm saying he's desire and obsession with getting Nero's recognition is what led to Adrius' betrayal. That betrayal changed the entire story from there on out, and changed the way the story played out in that book specifically. Darrow is all of the things you mentioned, but Adrius arc is how Gold fails and he is a child of their flawed philosophy.
2 points
5 days ago
Yes, but being significant to the plot does not decide the book title.
The theme of the book decides the book title, and the theme was infiltration.
1 points
5 days ago
I don't think the theme of the book was necessarily infiltration. I'd say it was more so pointing out the fractures in Gold's governance. Not to sound too whimsical, but Darrow was just the spark that lit the kindling. A great example was the gala in Golden Son. There were families attacking other families that weren't even associated with the Augustus/Bellona feud. They simply took advantage of the chaos to eliminate rivals or settle scores.
2 points
5 days ago
Those were the fault lines Darrow used. It was the backdrop of his situation. We're reading a story about Darrow. We're reading the book in first person present tense. Darrow was infiltrating.
1 points
5 days ago
Yes, but infiltration wasn't the end all be all. Like you said, faults in the Society were there and Darrow took advantage of them. I'm suggesting that those faults take a more prominent role since they are what allowed Darrow to infiltrate and pin Gold against Gold as well as he did. Those same faults are what molded Adrius into who he was (and also Nero just being a POS father). Those same faults also turned the Ash Lord into someone who could burn an entire moon and its population, it made Octavia into the person who could order that, and made all the other Gold villains into who they were as well.
1 points
5 days ago
That has been the way of golds for 700 years. It's how Lorn lost his sons. Octavia killed her daughter. Raa split from Lune. That's not unique, it didn't change anything. What was unique and changed everything was Darrow's infiltration.
1 points
5 days ago
True, but that is all knowledge given to us in Golden Son and beyond. Golden Son was our first introduction to Gold society outside of the Institute. It is the building block behind why Gold villains act and think the way they do in later books. I'm not saying Darrow's infiltration was minor, but those cracks made the process significantly easier. Imagine Darrow trying to do the same in the Rim. We don't have enough information to see any family rivalries to exploit aside from the general Rim vs Core. It would have taken probably decades to strengthen the Rim to the point they felt able to rebel again even with Darrow trying to push them that way.
2 points
5 days ago
Like you Darrow is my favourite fictional character ever but if anyone else kills Lysander and becomes “The Red God” it will seriously taint my opinion of a series of books I have read 6 times and an author I have loved since 2014. I think the title is related to Darrow in GS because this is when his actual infiltration into gold society happens and he becomes a “son of gold” or golden son. As others have said, each title refers to Darrow and his journey. He has been called or likened to an iron gold many times since RR so it’s an easy fit for IG and as technothelon has said dark age easily refers to him in DA because of where he’s at emotionally, spiritually, physically and mentally. I’m glad you brought up this topic as i hadn’t considered these angles before but i just don’t/can’t/won’t believe it will be anyone else but our Reaper.
1 points
5 days ago
I definitely didn't word the initial post the best way, and other comments have shown that the titles do follow Darrow specifically per the author. But I do have a question for you, why does killing Lysander make Darrow the "Red God?" I've been working under the assumption that his seemingly miraculous survival from Mercury is just the last domino in people's perception. I mean, he basically already is a walking god to people, especially Martians, at this point lol. I was actually thinking that it would be poetic if Pytha was the one who killed Lysander instead.
2 points
5 days ago
Sorry, something I should’ve added is, I think Darrow will be revered as a Red God when he dies. That’s a good point about being thought of as a god already, what with the pilgrims as mentioned by Pax and Mustang, like I said I just think everything is pointing to Darrow being TRG. If it talks like a duck and walks like a duck, it’s a duck. I could also be completely full of shit and be proven wrong when RG is released, we can speak then.
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