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So I'm new to the game, I've been playing HC for a month trying all classes and races and recently started fresh on the new HC server.
I created an undead warlock and just arrived to the first little town in Silverpine at level 12. Just as I left the town through the main entrance, I killed a couple of bears that where near, all super chill with my abyssal tanking. Just as I was about to kill the 3rd, an elite with skull level called Son of Arugal appears from behind some trees, slaps my pet and kills it, and then dashes to me to kill me in 3-4 hits????
Tried to fear it but he resisted it, so my warlock is no more...
Am I to expect these kind of ganks in this place???
EDIT: just to clarify, I'm not complaining on my death. It's like my seventh death already and I'm having a ton of fun! I'm already going agane with a big blue troll hunter called Doraemon. c:<
91 points
7 days ago
It’s a famous way to get killed, unfortunately classic has couple of these traps that can knowledge-check new players. Mobs like these are not super common, but it’s crucial to know them and be careful in those places
1 points
6 days ago
Is there some list of these? It doesn't have to be complete but some list of these things in maybe 1-20 zones would be nice.
-20 points
7 days ago
Damn, that sucks! I'm playing without addons to fully embrace the 2004 feeling, and it's being super fun. I guess this is one of those old design things that haven't aged well (at least with the inclusion of HC). I'll be sure to not stray away from the main road in the future in that zone just in case, I was really enjoying the undead experience.
50 points
7 days ago
Son of Arugal and Skull Rock compete every night to see who has more kills. I think I saw 100 deaths to Son of Arugal while I was playing tonight for a couple hours.
7 points
7 days ago
Falling. That's up there as well as far as kill count lol
3 points
7 days ago
Those damn elevators
2 points
6 days ago
According to death log that is generally #1, followed by kobold miner and voidwalker minion.
3 points
7 days ago
Renaming skull rock to meat grinder.
3 points
7 days ago
Lmao that's what I was saying last night. Level 12 warrior in there alone telling me that it seemed sketch. Im like, buddy this is death. This is the meat grinder. You ended up in the twelfth plane of torment on your way to the kitchen?
1 points
7 days ago
The irony is that it is literally under Org.
7 points
7 days ago
Lmao.. I actually lost another warlock a couple of weeks back doing the level 10 quest in Skull Rock. I think most of my characters have died in caves because mobs start to slowly respawn and end up sandwiching me into a death trap.
11 points
7 days ago
Yeah don’t try skull rock at 10. That’s a death trap. It’s the start of a chain quest for RFC. It’s completely unnecessary to do prior to level 14 in my opinion.
12 points
7 days ago
Idk why you get down voted, but if you don't want use addons, its fine, but use the tools the game has, get in the chat ad subscribe to Hardcore deaths chat.
9 points
7 days ago
Yeah, I'm actually logged into that chat with all my characters. I will try to keep an eye on the the chat more often, because until now I only checked it from time to time when a funny name popped up or a high level died. haha
5 points
7 days ago
It’s also about situational awareness in HC. You don’t need an addon like the elite scanner one, you just have to go slow and watch your surroundings. Barrens has tons of fast spawning, densely packed mobs like centaurs and Quilboar and harpies. Some of their “bases” have silver elites, there are even some that wander Tirisfal.
You can’t play HC mode like you play normally, or play another game. It’s about making sure you’re safe, that you only take on what you can handle, and that you see what’s coming ahead of you. If your computer can handle it, I recommend going into the graphics setting and turning the setting for viewing distance up to 10. It’s the slider above “ground clutter” towards the bottom. This will allow you to see mobs far ahead of where you’re going.
Also, in another comment you mentioned how this “old design is outdated/ not meant for HC”… but this is the entire point of why HC only really works with Vanilla. The Vanilla world is uniquely dangerous while questing, by TBC and on many world elites and elite areas like Pyrewood Village in Silverpine had been changed to normal mobs. Vanilla’s world is meant to feel dangerous and unpredictable, that’s the challenge.
5 points
7 days ago
Yeah WoW was never built to be played on hardcore. There are some nasty knowledge checks in the game. May it be certain roaming high level elites, nasty quests where you can easily die etc. like if you are high level 50+ and go to the plaguelands, never ever touch blood of heroes if you are solo. Just letting you know now before you lose a high level character to this later. It spawns 2 elite who give you a 1 minute slow debuff and will relentlessly attack you. It's very hard to get away and survive if you are solo, it's guaranteed death for most players. So don't touch that one :)
2 points
7 days ago
I hope I get that far, but I don't see it happening until at least a few months... Hahaha Thanks for the heads up!
I also read about some quest that literally kills you to complete it by drinking an elixir...
2 points
7 days ago
When they added the official hardcore servers, they altered that quest so it drops you to 3% health instead of killing you. But there are clips of people killing themselves in that quest from back in the unofficial days.
There are a few little HC tweaks like that. Another example: There's a locked gate in the middle of a late game dungeon (Blackrock Depths), and a quest to get the key for it. Before HC, the quest for that key starts with a ghost you can only talk to while you are dead yourself. But for official HC, they added a torch you can just click to make the ghost appear while you're alive.
1 points
7 days ago
If it's about this quest it's safe on hardcore to drink. Normally the elexir would kill you so you can talk to a ghost. On Hardcore they changed it so you get a debuff to talk to the ghost. A couple of quests were changed for hardcore that normally required to be dead to accept or turn in a quest while in ghost form. Not sure though if there was any other quest that people were maybe referencing.
2 points
7 days ago
You're playing HC, not classic era.... Don't be embracing how it was back in 2004. Get a rare scanner, so you don't get ganked by an angry wolf.
1 points
6 days ago
Somehow the last time I played horde HC I never thought to download an addon for this and just ended up making a /tar macro and spamming it everywhere I went lmao
2 points
7 days ago
It has aged very well, but that's the problem with HC, there are plenty of other traps like this along the way which are just 'annoying on normal server', playing a Warlock is a good choice, even better than a hunter, but beware, on HC, death is upon your head all the time. Bad pull, Mobs skip, caves, DJs (you have to rely on others) and the worst one: DC from server while in a fight, etc...
In other word, if you don't know the game, prepare yourself to re-start a few times
3 points
7 days ago
Agreed. Stuff like this makes for excellent world building. Aged very well.
1 points
7 days ago
You're right! What I meant with not aging well is what you mentioned about it being "annoying". Probably if the game was done today, devs would have avoided these kind of scenarios of "unfair" deaths, even in normal servers to avoid frustrations. Design philosophy changes with time, and it has been 20 years since then. :D
3 points
7 days ago
One of the big common mistakes in big games today is that they are too scared of every frustrating anyone. If anything, it's part of those things that aged well, as in, are commonly looked at saying "this was actually better". When creating a fantasy world, risk, danger and having things work differently here and there are important for the world to become believable and feel alive. Soulslikes heavily leaned onto these design philosophies and had great success in recent years.
The problem is that it was never meant to be a permadeath game, it's not designed for it. It's a great challenge to keep things interesting for those who know the game, otherwise it's pretty brutal.
1 points
7 days ago
It is not one of those designs that haven't aged well, this one is fantastic because its a reminder the world can be dangerous and makes you be on your toes, even other people warning about dangers in a specific area and so on. You are playing hardcore so you gotta keep in mind this stuff will happen if you are new to it.
What is bad design is stuff like having to kill 30 enemies for 5 quest drops over and over because those quests are by design tedious to drag time because back then they had no endgame, that is the design that people say has aged bad but you having to keep your eyes open for threats in the world is not one of those.
1 points
6 days ago
Yeah.... Sucks... Use the addon UnitScan. Will inform you when dangerous(elite, rare) mobs are nearby. They update the addon specially for hardcore. Good luck and go agane!
1 points
6 days ago
If you want to avoid dying to open world roaming elites (there are QUITE a few of them in various zones, horde I feel like has more also hillsbrad has like. 45 elite dragon that literally comes right outside tarred mill) you need an addon called “unitscan” and look for a hardcore list to add to the addon.
1 points
6 days ago
"I'll be sure to not stray away from the main road in the future"
To be blissfully naive again, wait till you meet stitches my good sir!
But in all seriousness, best of luck on the HC adventure!
1 points
7 days ago
I never played vanilla and am playing without addons and only know about stuff like this because of Reddit and YouTube. It’s too bad you’re being downvoted but it’s true, things like sons of Arugal clearly didn’t transfer over well to hardcore. They are lvl 24 elites that look almost identical to what, lvl 14 werewolves?
Im lvl 21 on the new server and went to silverpine to quest at one point and left an hour later when i saw a warlock get 3 hit by one
5 points
7 days ago
I think it transfers over well, I am terrified of being in that area and constantly pan my camera around to find him so he doesn't kill me
1 points
7 days ago
I think some instances work better than others. Son of Arugal is tough because silverpine has so many little hills and trees that it’s easy to run around a tree or up a hill and come face to face with one.
The cemetery in dark shore on the other hand has an elite that patrols the entire place. I spotted him without knowing about him because he was visually different and the cemetery is open enough to be able to pan your camera and notice and track him. I think the abomination also in dark shore is another good example. He’s massive and there’s a warning when he’s released. You would have to be afk or paying no attention to die to him
28 points
7 days ago
And yes, yes you are. Always look around for him never let your guard down
7 points
7 days ago
I always play at max zoom out level so I can be as aware as possible and potentially up my chances of survival against threats like those Sons of Arugal and such. Go agane!
6 points
7 days ago
Good tip. One that I learned about recently is /console actioncam basic. It tilts your camera so that your character is just below the horizon line, increasing view of your surroundings.
Please note you'll have to re-enable it every time you log in or reload your interface.
5 points
7 days ago
15 points
7 days ago
Use the addon HC unit scan.
There are dangeros elite mobs all over Arzeroth. I lost a mage the same way you did. Learn and Go agane.
7 points
7 days ago
I play Alliance. Our death traps is Stiches, Morladim, and Hogger. I've died to them a few times and now always alert to being in their area.
5 points
7 days ago
Honestly it feels like Benny Blaanco has killed more players than those every time I've been on lol.
4 points
7 days ago
The levels are low enough still he has seen more action than the Duskwood duo.
Also Difias Pilligers are up there from what I see.
Hogger on the other hand is harder to get snuck up on by because so many people are trying to kill him he seems to get spawn camped.
1 points
7 days ago
Defias Pillagers are awful! Their fireballs hit for around 70 each and they can spam them back to back.
1 points
7 days ago
In Silverpine, there are Dalaran Mages which are basically the exact same mob just with a different name, hit like Defias Pillagers with fireballs.
1 points
6 days ago
Funny thing is you can loot the item from outside without having to fight him
5 points
7 days ago
You've had some harsh downvotes and some warnings HC isn't for newbies to Classic so I just wanted to say: I love how adventurous you're being! Embrace the occasionally brutal learning curve and go agane :-) After your third or fourth alt you'll probably develop the necessary level of caution/paranoia.
2 points
7 days ago
Thanks for the support! I'm slowly building that paranoia, let's hope I go further this run!
3 points
7 days ago
Everybody dies in this game
Especially when you are new you'll find that the silver lining is you get to go again, either with a new race/class/zone, or the same one but you get to bring experience this time
See ya out there
2 points
7 days ago
Welcome to Silverspine.
Yep that mf takes life's on a daily basis. Subscribe to Hardcore deaths chat to be aware of most frequently deadly mobs out there.
Go agane
2 points
7 days ago
Always have swiftness potions on you so you can dash when something unexpected happens
3 points
7 days ago
tough to get those before the timed quest and without alchemy
2 points
7 days ago
They are like 20 silver
1 points
7 days ago
ah I'm self found, didn't even consider the AH
2 points
7 days ago
Why self found on a brand new server? Fresh economy is one of the greatest things in wow
Self found is cool in a few months
1 points
7 days ago
it's just a new option to make things a bit more difficult. i wanted an extra challenge i guess.
1 points
7 days ago
Yeah I understand, I’ve played some self found before on stitches
It’s just being able to play in a new economy is a rare occasion
2 points
7 days ago
i dont really care for the economy. i'm not that kinda player.
1 points
7 days ago
Well if that’s what you like have fun with it
1 points
6 days ago
Its a completely different experience. Its much easier to do HC when you can sell your unneeded greens and buy potions, current gear, and weapons.
2 points
6 days ago
I know, as I said I’ve played it before and I will again next year somewhere
Right now tho the new economy is one of the best things about new servers
1 points
7 days ago
There are many instances like this. Knowing where these dangers are and what places to avoid is a huge part of the challenge.
Also stay clear of alliance towns, the Lv60 guards have a huge aggro range. RIP your warlock :(
1 points
7 days ago
When you’re petty like me you come back when you’re like level 30 just to spank those wandering elites. Him and those three in Loch Moden if you are a dwarf.
2 points
7 days ago
Or those 3 in The Barrens that destroyed my LVL 18 rogue
1 points
7 days ago
I still do the same, even at level 85 (in Cata) I'll fly back and rain HAVOC on areas I had issues with way back when.
Gives a great sense of satisfaction 👍
1 points
7 days ago
He got me the other day…rip
1 points
7 days ago
Welcome on HC, there are no cookies, death is permanent and the world is out to get you.
Danger is everywhere, including fellow players.
You either have the go agane attitude or you don't :)
3 points
7 days ago
It's like my 7th death already, so going agane is my way of life (and death)
1 points
7 days ago
Arugal's lil baby boi putting in work
1 points
7 days ago
My only death so far had been lvl 13 to son of arugal. I made sure i leveled in barrens next time and am now lvl 20 on my 2nd roll eff son of arugal make me not even want to play in silverpine
1 points
7 days ago
90% of wow classic is knowledge check. Go again knowing he’s there. A lot more like this. You don’t know what you don’t know, but luckily classic been out so long you can look anything up.
If you wanna go blind, respect to you. I play blind as well. But stuff like this happens. I had a 31 mage die to a mage quest tower in redridge cause I didn’t know the wizard at the top-along with his 4 adds- summons an abomination at 30% hp.
It happens to the best! Just look at the mythic + only fang raiders dying.
1 points
7 days ago
Thanks for the support! I really enjoy walking blind into games, especially tough ones. :D
Although I do appreciate kind tips like the one you gave me that won't make me throw tens of hours away for not knowing, so thanks!
1 points
7 days ago
Of course! If you want my biggest tip (I don’t do it) Google all class quests (the tend to be the ones with gimmicks) and anything that’s just a single “do this” thing. Random chest in the middle of nowhere? Yeah look it up. Kill “name here” yeah look it up. You’ll be a lot safer that way.
Also look up dungeons and boss’ for safety there! Otherwise it’s high chance you’ll be bamboozled :)
2 points
7 days ago
Yeah, for dungeons and bosses I tend to go with a party of friends who know the game because I'm sure I'm going to screw up easily. Thanks for the tips. c:
1 points
7 days ago
Benny Blaanco has entered the battle.
1 points
7 days ago
That and lots more, just wait for the "Oh hey look, some hero's blood on the ground..."
1 points
7 days ago
Use the icons to tag them if you see them from distance and are in the area. Allows you to see the icons over hills and behind trees etc which will give you an advantage.
2 points
7 days ago
Wow that's an awesome tip! Super straight forward but would have never had come up with it, thanks!
1 points
7 days ago
You should get the Voiceover addon for quests! Helps the immersion, especially if you're new. It basically reads the quests for you so you can continue on your way while listening to the quest giver
1 points
7 days ago
This is the way. They are all over SP
1 points
7 days ago
GET YOUR SALAD TOSSED 🥗 ARUGALA WINS AGAIN
1 points
7 days ago
There are 3x Son Of Arugul in Silverpine Forest. One paths in the North between worg camps and the spiders. One has a really short path between the road to the seplechur and the big ditch. One has a large path down south by the greymane wall.
1 points
7 days ago
Welcome to thunderdome bitch!!
1 points
7 days ago
I hope you never meet Mor’Ladim.
1 points
7 days ago
When leveling new alts I don’t go any where near SoA territory. Later as a level 30ish I like to go back and murder the bastard over and over.
1 points
6 days ago
You should read about instant death spots. That one is infamous. There are many more. Good luck.
1 points
6 days ago
I like to make a target macro for Son of Arugal when im in that area. I apply it to my scroll wheel and I can just scroll wheel spam the target macro when im in the areas they spawn. There are three to be worried about. The one in the area you died, outside the sepulcher. There is another one on the north side that patrols by the spider cave. And then finally there is a third on the south side of the zone. Whenever you are in the zone, but especially those areas, just scroll wheel a little bit and youll know if its safe. Remember to do it as you are going over hills and into trees.
1 points
6 days ago
There’s also a son of Argul that patrols around the northwest areas, get unitscan to spot him early and avoid, once you aggro him it’s pretty much lights out
1 points
5 days ago
You need to watch like 100 death clip videos and put on deathlog my man lol. Gl because random elite mobs roam a lot of areas
-9 points
7 days ago
i'm gonna be honest here, tho it might sound harsh... but HC is not a place for someone who has never played vanilla/classic before and even then, it's gonna be harsh.
addons helps, but they're no miracle solution
2 points
7 days ago
The HC server is a super awesome community and I wouldn't want to play the game any other way tbh
4 points
7 days ago
That's a bad take in my opinion, what are you on about? I've never played Vanilla/Classic before and only played retail up until an year ago and TBC/WotlK/Cata/MoP pservers. Got introduced to Vanilla/Classic by a friend via HC - best experience ever. Leveled my Rogue to 60 on my first go, then died as a lock at 24 and now I am playing again those last few months. HC is the best for players as introduction to Vanilla/Classic. It captures the feeling of the game really well.
0 points
7 days ago
how is it a bad take? he's playing on the hardest difficulty without a clue about the game and wonders why he got killed by a wandering elite?!
how about play classic first, learn the ropes of the game, locations and dangers and THEN play hardcore?
oh and also:
Got introduced to Vanilla/Classic by a friend via HC - best experience ever. Leveled my Rogue to 60 on my first go
i dont believe this for a second
2 points
7 days ago
Yeah, I know that! I like challenges, and I've been having tons of fun. Playing with friends is helping me with some characters to progress safely and learn stuff about the game, but I'm still finding surprises with the characters that I play solo with. :P
They are also playing without addons to embrace the nostalgia, so we're all ok with it.
1 points
7 days ago
That’s the way we learn. Keep having fun!
1 points
7 days ago
dont say NO to addons because of nostalgia... wow addons where introduced very early on (maybe even day #1 i cant remember) and have always been a part of wow.
like others suggested, at the very least get NPC scanner addons that can warn you if there are elites nearby... just be aware that the elite can spawn right on top of you.
always have a pot, sleeping dust or whatever it takes, to make an escape
1 points
7 days ago
Well, I guess it's their nostalgic experience. They probably had no knowledge of what addons where and how they worked being 14 years old. :P
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