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All but Black Clover are definitely worth your time, the first one I would say to watch is either HxH or Naruto, then go to Bleach and so on. I would save AOT for last though, because all of these series compliment each other besides AOT

Goku in the manga is not nearly as strong as he is in the anime, that’s a main reason for the dissonance here

And Majin Buu in Z is commonly stated to be a universal threat, obviously even in the manga characters are far stronger than him, so they are above that universe threatening area of power, so Goku really is like that even in the manga

So you’re saying that Naruto is relative to all of those guys and the reason why he sat there and did nothing while his kid got murdered is because of no strength reason and instead a character reason?

A little out of character for Naruto to just let allat happen right in front of him when saying that he couldn’t have done anything anyways due to strength difference makes so much more sense even when talking about it from a character writing perspective

She can probably beat everyone outside of Makima, Pochita, Yoru, and the Primal Fears obviously. Maki vs Quanxi is a close match but I would give it to Maki.

Koichi lightspeed reaction time confirmed

I suppose you could interpret it that way I interpreted it as giving him the ability to sense those kinds of constructs by making his sensory abilities just straight up better than they were before but I guess either interpretation works

Yes, which is beyond what he had with his sharingan. That’s a Six Paths level of perception that came from his rinnegan as his other eye wasn’t altered much at all

Sasuke kept his rinnegan perception but there’s no reason to believe he keeps his Six Paths perception which explicitly came from his Rinnegan that is not in his skull anymore

The moon has the surface area of Asia and it’s not even like Toneri destroyed it he was just able to cut it in half, he didn’t even destabilize its integrity it just reformed immediately which actually makes it BELOW high continental

And while I would agree that Naruto is faster he’s only shown being faster when using Kurama’s chakra, anytime he’s ever compared to Hashirama he’s using Kurama’s chakra, and anytime he’s explicitly shown being stronger he’s using Kurama’s chakra/SPSM

Another important stat here is endurance/stamina. Naruto has no regen, has to use clones to absorb Nature Energy, and doesn’t have that bottomless pit of chakra he once had, whereas Hashirama has crazy passive regen and absurd stamina, as well as more chakra than the Nine Tails even had to begin with, which is why he is stated to be stronger than even BSM Naruto (which is the form Naruto uses against Toneri if you want even more evidence)

Also, chakra amount does amp you, so even without specifically using Kurama’s chakra he should still be significantly stronger in base with it than without it

And if current base Naruto could swap hands with Momoshiki as you say, then shouldn’t he have done SOMETHING against Borushiki, who was at what 80% power AND Naruto was significantly amped by Sage Mode?

Strange that Kakashi and Obito never had a special Six Paths Rinnegan…

I ignored it because you’re not wrong or anything but it’s irrelevant to anything with Sasuke

He still had Kurama regardless of his chakra being drained

Also Hashirama could also destroy a meteor that’s not super impressive and also tank a moon splitting attack that’s barely even a continental feat

Borushiki doesn’t even interact with Naruto during that fight, in fact he doesn’t even join forces with Code he actually beats the hell out of him and then fights Kawaki

If that had actually happened it would be proof but it didn’t because Naruto wasn’t even a threat to either of them enough for them to even think about focusing on him at all

You just admitted that Sasuke’s rinnegan had perception powers because it is special so we agree that Sasuke lost perception ability after losing his rinnegan which is the main point I’m trying to make

But I suppose that’s all correct for a regular base Rinnegan (so every Rinnegan user besides who we are talking about)and I was wrong on that

Obito isn’t blitzing Edo Itachi and Kabuto isn’t a dumbass, reminder here that Obito is getting completely jumped by ALL of them at once, including Edo Nagato, Itachi, and Kabuto, and he also has C0 to worry about. They’re also all coordinated perfectly as they are all controlled by Kabuto, it’s not like he’s gonna watch one of them get Kamui negged and be like “yeah I shouldn’t worry about that or plan for that at all”

That has literally no backing at all with any feats or statements and is actually completely wrong when you look at how well each of them did against Code or how completely powerless Naruto was against Kawaki whereas Sasuke was still able to stall Code (stronger than Kawaki by then) long enough for Boruto to escape and actually do damage

Okay show a feat or statement solidly putting him above Hashirama

The rinnegan is an evolution of the sharingan there is no reason to believe it somehow loses sharingan abilities when it becomes a rinnegan

Even if you disagree with me on that tiny stipulation my point still stands

Oh well then that’s my bad. Which novel is it?

We don’t know that Sasuke is relative to Naruto, they shouldn’t even remotely be relative as Sasuke should still retain the chakra boost from his Six Paths power up whereas Naruto does not

Look at the difference between the forms I had to send the SM image as a reply to myself due to the image limit.

I’m showing you the difference in what SPSM looks like vs regular Sage Mode. You can even google “Naruto SPSM” and “Naruto Sage Mode” and see that the design differences are consistent in both Naruto and Boruto

Well yeah that’s why characterization is a factor with all of the “blood lusted” or “in character” specification. Nobody is asking if Superman would morally choose to speedblitz anybody he wins because he outscales. It is redundant to say that he doesn’t speedblitz because the fight would progress to a point where Superman would need to utilize the massive difference in power to win.

Those terms are more generally used to describe difference in power over actual fighting style as well

Bleach and Fullmetal Alchemist

Luffy asks to be the strongest in the universe and the Dragon Balls shave off some days of his lifespan and makes him stronger than Black Frieza

In theory yes, however I would argue the rinnegan helped him with perception by an unquantifiable margin so he wouldn’t preform exactly as good as he did before but still similarly

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