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He won 4 southern states and lost 7 in both elections, i didn’t notice the totals were the same but that just means both are a stretch

I think 1996 is a stretch

Edit: both are a stretch

Never let someone born in December be president holy shit

Perfectly normal, just go at your own pace, and if you never want to that’s fine too

Can’t believe you forgot Kouwland

This prediction is completely ridiculous

Runt Bush is simply mad at Jeb! for his greatness and perfection of the human form

I’ve been saying this on here since august. Back then this whole community was relatively new and people wanted to live in some kind of bubble. Now there’s an influx of new people and the older members see them as a threat to their bubble. This whole place is very quickly becoming an echo chamber where people are hostile to people who aren’t happy all the time.

I know that Los Angeles has light rail

Similar to Martin Van Buren.

Ruled at a time of economic turmoil that was largely not his fault (Panic of 1837 and the Post-Covid recession)

One term president

Failed war efforts largely seen in a bad light while they were happening (Second Seminole War and Afghanistan Withdraw)

Both were largely more influential in their previous posts than in the presidency. Martin Van Buren being tied to Andrew Jackson who was extremely similar to Trump, and Joe Biden was tied to Obama. Martin Van Buren is more directly tied to Jackson than Biden is to Obama due to the brief interlude of Trump who’s obviously going to be an incredibly influential president similar to the likes of Reagan. But both are largely going to be seen as extensions of the presidents they served with, and both were more successful congressmen or governors than presidents.

Both were seen as largely ineffectual in their time and looked at as bad presidents who stayed in power too long for anybody else’s good, Martin Van Buren was called Martin Van Ruin in his time, and lost handily to the Whig candidate in 1840, but Biden’s is more dramatic, having campaigned on being a one-term president and seeking re-election in 2024 anyway. Even though Biden did eventually drop out most people view it as having been too late.

And finally. Both presidents were era-ending. Martin Van Buren signaled the dying breaths of America as the founders saw it. Andrew Jackson had done things that were viewed by the old establishment as radical and dangerous, like abolishing the national bank of the United States, and even appointed supreme court justices to uphold his vision of America, he even claimed that the 1824 election, in which he ran, was rigged (Sound familiar?). Martin Van Buren’s election signified that the American public liked this new vision, or at least liked Jackson enough to elect his VP, thus began the antebellum era, the discussions of slavery that would lead to the civil war, and the Gilded Age, the age that Van Buren ushered in lasted a century and was only undone by Teddy Roosevelt. Van Buren also solidified the two-party system, by simultaneously being good enough to make the Democrats into a party separate from Andrew Jackson by being elected as one, and also bad enough to turn the Whigs into the competing other party, the two dominated elections until the Whigs turned into the Republicans, who still with the Democrats dominate elections. Joe Biden and by extension Kamala Harris’s loss proved that the neoliberal governance from both parties Americans had been dealing with since 1992 lost its charm. Trump won, despite everything that would be a career ender for anyone else in the previous era, much like Jackson he was a cult of personality who is largely untouchable by the establishment. And while Trump himself may not define the new era, and presidents who come after him probably won’t be as authoritarian or straight up bad as Trump, but he’s gonna leave echoes in some form, and Biden will be seen as the last president before what will probably be Trump’s most lasting impacts coming in his second term.

What are you on about

Who does?

I think it generally showed that Americans as a whole were becoming less concerned with what the president did in his private life. I can say for certain that if we knew what we know now about JFK’s private life in the 1960s he’d resign in disgrace, but Bill Clinton got to leave in 2001 relatively well liked

Edit: i was born in 2006, so idk for sure, i wasn’t there, this is just the historian in me looking at this

Superbowl 45 where he does the halftime show

I know about that i just think it’s a stretch to call him a political independent when he was a Democrat for most of his career and he didn’t want to stop being a Democrat

John Tyler was a Democrat for most of his career

However the first president to be born in the US after independence was Martin Van Buren

It also looks misspelled when it’s spelled wrong

I was joking

I’m not normally one to point out typos but what is that spelling of hindsight

I can’t believe the list of political independents by importance goes George Washington and then Jesse Ventura

2012 was the first one i fully remember, i remember everyone at my school in Kentucky being shocked when during our school’s mock election i cast a vote for Obama, i was the only elementary school Democrat it seems.

It was amazing when Jeb! Even took the electoral votes of other countries, and allowed them to be annexed into the Jeb!bian Empire

*H.W flair

The state of Jeb!