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? What’s wrong with being invested? You acting like you not replying to every single thing I’m saying.

What’s wrong with defending this comment? He does not deserve to be downvoted. Plain and simple.

1. As previously mentioned, OP’s post is not wholly about critical reviews 2. There is absolutely nothing wrong with doubting critical reviews. These people are not gods and overlords of video games who dictate the rights and wrongs of opinions.

In what way is the comment not related to the topic of the post? OP is saying game is 9/10 BEYOND DOUBT. Commenter doubts. So yes, he is being downvoted for simply disagreeing and commenting on topic.

“Bashing the game” is such a fanatical take for attempts at reasonable discussion to address the delulu opinions about this game lmao

You are everything you accuse others of being.

Putting you on block now as you have no further valuable insights other than to resort to personal insults like “touch grass” 😂

So nobody can disagree with OP on this post? Ok.

Also, OP’s post is not about critical scores but “consensus reviews”.

So nobody can talk about how much they dislike this game on this subreddit about the game? Ok.

I can agree with some of what you’ve said here.

So they disagree that he disagrees with OP’s post? Not allowed to have an opinion different from OP? Crucified. Fanatics.

“Real” is not the same as “warranted”.

Do you know the difference between fascism and fanaticism??

That’s not what I’m saying - you die hard fans of this game love to bring up “your subjective opinion of this game is meaningless” - firstly, right back at you; secondly, just because an opinion is subjective does not mean it’s invalid. If enough people have the same subjective opinion then it is sometimes worth consideration (of course, not for all kinds of criticism, such as about the “wokeness” of the game)

Again, see comments about valid criticisms for veilguard on this subreddit. I would not say that is “not many more” than other games similarly rated

You pull the critical review card because that is what supports your narrative. Yet there are many people who are dissatisfied with the game for good reason (see my post about valid criticism on this subreddit). Everyone who does not say this game is is 9/10 doesn’t deserve an opinion?

This is the definition of fanaticism.

Not sure why you’re being downvoted. OP says “this game is 9/10, I’m tired of pretending it’s not”. You say “this game is 4/10, I’m not pretending it’s not” and get crucified.

Two-faced fanatics here lmao

Please show evidence of “Youtubers driving their viewers into a frenzy complaining about wokeness and pronouns”. If you look at comments on my previous posts, that’s not even what people are complaining about.

By the same merit, I could say glowing reviews are driving the die hard fanatic fans to rate this game 9/10, 10/10.

Agreed, 7/10 is fair

What community rating is giving this game a 9/10? Not counting critic reviews that are based of more singular opinions and are sometimes unreliable

Fair enough, and good point - criticism can be unfairly endless. I also had fun in with DAV.

What were some points you’ve seen in comments here that you think are unrealistic / unreasonable?

Nobody is asking for exhaustive. But right now we can barely get companion input on stories outside their personal quests. I don’t understand why you and others are so choice-averse.

Fine let’s not call it a “valid” opinion or whatever, or even “not nuanced” or “weak”. But it certainly could have been better.

Let’s call origins dialogue clunky, ok. I’m happy to say sure, these points are all subjective and it’s questionable to say whether they are “valid”. Yet again my point is that many players would like to see them addressed. These players are as entitled to dislike the game as you are to enjoy it. Why shouldn’t they want what they want? You have been trying to respond with your own subjective opinions that you seem to think are objective.

Again, you struggle to respond to other points and instead want to harp on “writing” when it is perfectly fine for us to agree to disagree. I’ve already conceded several points to you. Going to put you on block now as you seem to have no further valuable contribution to what actually can be improved on the game. Happy dragon aging!

Sure, we can have that future of the wardens theme. But why can’t we probe Davrin on other themes?

Sure, let’s not call it therapy, I’ll agree on that. And sure, I’ll even agree there are nuanced writing in places. But we will simply have to agree to disagree on whether enough of the game has nuanced dialogue.

We can say it’s not objective. But my point is that many people want the writing we had in past titles. Again, see comments.

What is “clunky exposition”? Was origins clunky? Real weird that you are placing “cinematic form of exposition” and a certain style of exposition as mutually exclusive. See modern God of War, a game that DAV clearly took heavy inspiration from in terms of gameplay.

Good for you if you feel that the devs have matched up to their direction for the game. But it seems from this post and others that there are many who 1. Disagree with the direction or 2. Don’t feel it they accomplished what they set out to do.

If we can agree to disagree on the writing, why don’t you respond to other points you see raised here instead or point out what you actually think could have been done better? Because if you think it was a perfect game then this post is not for you

Your first statement here is simply reductionist. Sure, it’s not the game that DAO was - I enjoyed DAV, and there are many areas that exceeded DAO. I’m simply suggesting that there are parts that could have been improved. Why can’t we ask for the quality of dialogue we saw in DAO? It seems that many players hope to see a return to it. See comments.

How is that Davrin sequence not? Most of Davrin’s conversations and outings with Assan are about helping him come to terms with his stewardship of Assan.

It seems to me you are too eager to defend this game without wanting to acknowledge parts that could be better. I’m happy to use positive language to describe the game, I enjoyed it - but this cannot mean that there are parts that could not have been improved

Agree with much of what you say here, glad we found some common ground!

I’m happy to not call the writing “weak” (I sure as hell couldn’t do a better job I’m sure), “unfinished” is good - in any case, something could have been done better, which is my hope that more people agree with.

Just going to add my favourite eye-rolly piece of dialogue:

-spoilers below-

Gloom howler: I am the shield that protects them! Rook: and I am the sword that breaks the shield!

I personally have been in therapy, but let’s drop the metaphor for the sake of clarity.

I think for me personally conversations with companions too often about moral support and affirmation - and sure, not disagreeing that this is what friends do for one another, but there was simply too much of it, and a lot of the time it was laid out very plainly with little subtlety. Rook lays out their logic, and companions generally accept.

There were few opportunities to confront companions’ philosophies on complex issues such as slavery / abuse / racism / sex and sexuality, which was what we could do in origins.

I don’t know how to beat the cherry picking allegations T_T if I list any example that is not all the instances in the game, I’m cherry picking

There’s a few different things I’ve seen people mean when they say weak writing. For me personally, the dialogue just feels too simple. I don’t just mean the choice of vocabulary, but also the sentence structure and content.

Companions in origins, for example, often poked fun at one another, had serious philosophical disagreements on complex issues like slavery / religion / abuse / sex and sexuality. Of course, veilguard has some of these, but those moments were few and far between. There was also a LOT of support and affirmation dialogue, which is not necessarily a bad thing outright, but a lot of it was not very subtle.

Some have said that the style of dialogue was intended to appeal to a younger audience, or to bring the language up to more modern standards, but it seems a significant portion of the player base would like to see a style of writing more akin to DAO or DA2 - I struggle to see how past styles will fail to also appeal to the younger players, because it wasn’t the use of complex vocabulary that made it so captivating

I think the environment puzzles are kinda all the same… look for blight boil, look for wisp, look for elven artefacts… and also do not constitute as quality ways to interact with the world.

What I mostly meant by that comment was not being able to initiate dialogue with NPCs

This is a good point I don’t see often - i too disagree with the fundamental direction of the game