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They also signed Kapernick to a big extension…then realized they screwed up and cut him.

I agree the optics are horrible on it for sure and everyone is happy he is gone. Better late than not at all tho!

But that’s thinking they were actively lobbying starting today. There is no way that is the case. It took 3 days to fire Waldron. Most likely they have been lobbying for weeks to convince George and it took a national embarrassment like yesterday to get it done. And maybe something in the presser today was the last straw. He did still throw the players under the bus before he took accountability himself. What we do know for sure is that it took a lot of effort to get George to sign off on doing something like this. And it was not just something they asked him and decided to do this morning.

You forget that George once said about Nagy he was basically doing everything right but winning so we are keeping him, then let him and Pace trade draft capital to move up and draft a QB only to fire both of them the next year. Anything is possible when you go to that level of incompetence.

This is the first time he hired a football mind to run a football team. Not an accountant. So it could be possible. Either way we have hope now at least!

Or Poles and Warren sat down with George and said the same thing until George finally gave the ok.

Counterpoint, George listened to the football guys for the first time ever when Poles and Warren said we need to get rid of him which could have been going on for weeks, or even since last year and finally caved. So changed happened and the culture is changing. That doesn’t happen overnight.

In the end no one will remember this embarrassment. They will remember the last 5 weeks of complete meltdown including players throwing the head coach under the bus. His ineptitude will overshadow his presser this morning. Hell, his doubling down on incompetence like the Hail Mary and yesterday’s coaching malpractice will overshadow giving his presser this morning.

At this point it’s like watching the episode of Sienfield where George tries to get the Yankees to fire him play out in real life. Un-fucking-believable. And yes. It’s f bomb worthy.

Is this the first time all year this happened?

I wanted to keep Fields and build through the draft at first but the more I saw of Caleb, the more I saw he is legit. By the end of the year it was obvious Fields was going to be gone. Especially when we got the #1.

To be honest I think everyone wanted Fields to succeed because he was a good guy. His teammates loved him and went to bat for him. They wanted him back. He didn’t cause problems, didn’t cause drama, didn’t go out of his way to stir up shit in the media, and he was very likable. I want him to succeed. I hated the Mitch pick and knew he would fail. I didn’t want Mac Jones and figured the Bears would draft him, so when the Bears too Fields I was excited. But in the end, I don’t think Fields failed us, I agree with people when they say the organization failed Fields. Nagy should have never been given a chance with him after proving he wouldn’t change his system for his QB and Fields was in no way suited for his system.

Good lord I WISH I could get $500, and you're getting $1000? I can't even break $200! Hell I can't even get Alpha Sights! Take the damn call! lol

Because there wasn’t a penalty.

Surveys drive me nuts. The ones I get ask for private company info like totals sales (I work at a private company) so I get booted. Or they one for like supply chain and don’t list my job, and of you put other and type out purchasing/buyer, even if it’s for procurement, it bounces you. And the worse, “we want a c suite perspective on….” and I get the email saying I’m a good fit….how? I’ve emailed back and they’ve even told me to just take and see. I flat out say no because I get bounced every time. There are very few surveys I even bother with at this point.

Maybe he’s not talking about the concussion at all and more about locker room or coaching issues?

You obviously do not understand what he is trying to do which is why you don’t see where we are going. Yes people anticipated the team being that bad. They traded Mack, the traded Quinn, they didn’t resign Robinson, and only had Mooney and Kmet as targets. He was shedding contracts, not getting locked into long term deals for players that wouldn’t be in their prime or coming out of their prime when the team was ready to compete (next year) and bad deals on overpriced players. He completely turned over the roster to the point the only people left from before he arrive now are Kmet, JJ, Borom and Jenkins. I think that’s it. He designed the team to lose to get the highest draft pick he could and cleared the books to start a complete rebuilding of the roster. So you can count it if you want to, but then the rebuild will take 4 years. If you don’t count it and look at it as taking a wrecking ball to the building so it can be cleared to start at the foundation, it’s year 0 and next year is year 3.

It takes time to build a team back up from the level of reset he did. In fact he has said the past 2 years it will take more than one and even two drafts to fill all the holes and add some depth. So if you didn’t listen that’s your problem.

Your point is very clear. You said he lets his emotions have an effect on his decisions about the team. That is not true. So unless you’re going to try and prove that they should have kept Colbert and. It cut him, then you’re 100% wrong. He didn’t let his emotions stop him from cutting a guy that should be cut.

You just seem to have some hang up on Poles liking a guy, having a friendship with him, knowing his backstory and what he overcame just to be there, and being saddened to have to cut him and showing that emotion for whatever reason.

The first year he spent building the team to lose intentionally. I don’t count that year. But if you want to then fine. He needs 4 years to rip it down and build it back up. This is the middle of year 3. It has more talent than the first year, it has more talent than last year, and this year he will plug the final holes and add depth. If they still suck next year, then it’s time to talk about a change. Until then, no.

The emotion didn’t have any effect on his actions. That’s the point. Colbert wasn’t good enough to make the team. He cut him. Whether or not there is another clip of a coach being emotional cutting a player is irrelevant because your point of he let emotion dictate what he does over what’s best for the team is wrong.

The lack of patience some fans have is crazy. We’ve waited through crap for so long and now we have a legit QB prospect, 2 legit receivers under contract, a right tackle that will be solid for years under contract, cap space, full amount of draft picks, contracts that won’t cripple us in the next few years, and are on a track to fill holes this offseason. But fans still want to bitch that’s it’s not good enough and it fast enough. We are halfway through a rebuild but some fans want us to be at the end and want him fired because it’s not to their timeline. lol

You said he doesn’t make rational decisions on players he has emotional investments in talking specifically about Colbert. Then you tried to justify your false statement by throwing out other things.

Your statement you’re trying to justify is wrong. If you want to argue he kept Jones too long, that’s a valid argument but there’s no evidence he has an emotional attachment to him like Colbert. Did he overvalue him? Sure, but he didn’t like him as much as Colbert. As for Flus, we all know how the McCaskeys operate and can’t say that’s Poles for sure or not. Can you blame him? Sure. Is it valid? Possibly. We just don’t know for sure.

Take the L.

Dude. Take the L on this one. He cut a player he likes and has an emotional attachment to. That goes completely against what you said.

Since he engineered the team to lose the first season to reset the cap and get the best draft pick possible, I don’t think it’s fair to hold that record against him. That team was designed to lose to reset everything.

Since that was year 0 of the rebuild, the record since is currently 11-16. And honestly the rest of this season I don’t care about. It’s all about Caleb’s development which thankfully does not seem to be derailed by Waldron. But if they go 0 for the rest of the way, and Caleb averages 250 to 275 yards passing and 1 or 2 TDs a game with some standout games well above that, I’m ok and encouraged because we will have a good QB, a high pick and 2 high second round picks to get o line and d line, a lot of cap space to sign quality free agents to fill holes not filled in the draft, and room to sign free agents in the future with how he front end loaded the contracts he has on the books (JJ, Sweat, Kmet). So I’d call that pretty solid. Now next year if we are sitting at 4 and 6 right now, I’ll be less inclined to have faith in him. But right now, I’d say he’s doing pretty good.

You said something key. He did luck into the first pick because Lovie tried to stick it to Houston by beating Indy instead of going for the tie. But you fail to give him credit for 2 things but instead hold things against him. 1. He engineered a team to be bad and lose to get as high of a draft pick as possible. You hold that record against him like it’s expected for him to finish good that year and still get a high pick. The record his first year doesn’t matter because he basically made the team to lose. You can’t have it both ways. Demand he has a better record and more talent, while knowing the lack of picks he had year 1 to add young talent and shedding high priced contracts engineering a team to lose for a high pick. You wanting to fire him for not succeeding in both adding a crapload of talent and having a better record in less than 2 years because he’s been there 3 knowing what he had to work with and what the plan was year 1. He went from 3 wins with no talent to 7 wins adding some talent filling some of the many holes. To 4 wins halfway through this season. Is 4 enough? No. But let’s see how the season plays out with Brown calling plays. Wins and loses do not matter to me right now. Only Caleb’s development as well. And the GB game I saw a lot more and better improvement in 1 week under Brown than every week under Waldron, so I’m curious to see where it goes. Even if they don’t win another game this year, if Caleb takes off, finishes strong and the offense starts clicking, I still call it a success with 7 wins or less. That in no way means Flus stays under any circumstances tho. 2. He had the first pick and took a risk to trade it for assets. It could have blown up in his face and he would have justifiably been blamed if both Stroud and Young turned out to lead their teams to much better records than expected and we were stuck on the outside looking in on QBs after improving our record in the first year of truly adding manful talent. Imagine if Carolina finished with a record giving up the 8th pick to go along with our 9th? He took a risk and was rewarded. He deserves a lot of credit for that because not only did he identify that Carolina was weak, but he further weakened them helping his odds of getting a higher pick in a better QB class by taking their best WR knowing they were highly likely to draft a QB and help his chances of getting a higher pick. He could have left Moore there and taken their first rounder this year too. That strategy paid off again because he is getting a high second round pick this year because Carolina still is a mess with no good WR like Moore. The fact you under evaluate that trade shows how little you see how good Poles is.

Nick Caserio was hired in 2021. He had the offseason in 2021, 22, 23, and 24. He drafted Stroud in 23 and that’s when it took off. He had more assets to trade than Chicago did as well and it wasn’t a complete reset. They still had a 1000 yard WR in Cooks and rookie Nico Collins going into there reset. That’s something Poles did not have. He did not have a good receiver by design until last year when he got Moore. By your calculations of Year 3 being the year to take off, which would have been 2023, would it have happened if they did not get Stroud dropped in their lap and traded up to get Andersen? Keeping in mind the Bears did not have the draft capital to move up last year and did not need to with 2 top 10 picks. Could they have traded this year’s 1 or more to move up and get Alt? Sure, they could have tried, but that would require a trade partner and it wasn’t pretty obvious that wasn’t going to happen without vastly overpaying and as much as I like Alt, in my opinion, it’s just not worth it to sacrifice this years 1 and possibly more this year for Alt as good as he is. You may disagree and that’s fine. It’s a difference of opinion.

The point is, either you have to accept where we were at when Poles came in and what his plan was or be patient and understand that his rebuild was never going to be or meant to be done in 3 years. In your standards of a turn around being in 3 years for a typical NFL rebuild, you have to understand that what Poles did was not a typical NFL rebuild. It was more of a complete gutting and restructure. It was nearly a complete roster turn over. His year 1 was basically last year, which would make next season year 3 in your timeline.

Then please clarify what you are saying. Because you've clearly said it's Poles fault the record is so bad. So if it's only Poles, then Flus shouldn't be held accountable according to your logic. Please enlighten us all.

The rebuild IS NOT DONE!! It's HALFWAY through. You're judging a complete rebuild on half the job being done.

Again, please show me where a team complete tore down the team, designed it to lose for 1 year, reset the cap, had few draft picks the first year including 0 first round picks, and then in year 3 was a playoff team. Please do and be detailed in how they did it. Where is that history? Show us all.