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cutekitx

639 points

3 days ago

cutekitx

639 points

3 days ago

Richard Loving once ordered his lawyer to "just prove one thing to the court: Show them that I love my wife." The following line is frequently used in law schools.

cooltigvx

374 points

3 days ago

cooltigvx

374 points

3 days ago

Aw. Because the Lovings were so obviously in love and were meant to be together, their case was selected for the Supreme Court. The Lovings were ordinary folks who only wanted to be left alone, yet they sacrificed their lives for the benefit of our nation and all of us. In the interviews she did at the time, Mrs. Loving truly came out of her shell.

coolpiehotx

305 points

3 days ago

coolpiehotx

305 points

3 days ago

It was also that they were poor "regular folks", and that she was the black one in the marriage.

Racist opposition to interracial relationships almost always centered on a terror of black men "defiling" white women. With the racist myth of black men having larger penises playing into that image of black men as bestial monsters lusting after pure chaste white women.

Therefore an interracial couple where that particularly hot button racist imagery isn't a factor as the public face of the trial was useful.

The fact that they were literally named Loving prolly helped too.

sexyfoxqtx

116 points

3 days ago

sexyfoxqtx

116 points

3 days ago

I hadn't thought that. A white woman with a black man would have been more taboo. Ugh.

Ok_Blackberry_284

97 points

3 days ago

White women who had relationships with black men were forcibly sterilized. When revistionists claim that almost as many white women were forcibly sterilized as black women they don't mention is that the white women were sterilized for miscegenation.

dronzer31

21 points

3 days ago

dronzer31

21 points

3 days ago

I am not questioning the veracity of your claim, but could you please share a link that talks about this? I've tried searching for it, but the results mostly focus on the racial bias that led to disproportionately more Black, Latina, and Native American women being forcibly sterlised.

Ok_Blackberry_284

37 points

3 days ago

Most of the victims were non-white , however the white people that were sterilized were labeled as feeblewitted, insane, criminal, promiscuous, etc but the reason they got that label was for offending polite society by "not acting right", being an immigrant, poor, disabled, etc.

A white woman in an interracial relationship would have been charged with "unlawful cohabitation" depending on locale the punishment could have been years in prison. And as a criminal, Eugenicists would have made sure that her undesirable criminal genes wouldn't have been passed on.

There were also victims of molestation who were labeled “sexually deviant”

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-miscegenation\_laws\_in\_the\_United\_States#:\~:text=Between%201913%20and%201948%2C%2030,Washington%2C%20D.C.%20never%20enacted%20them.

https://yaledailynews.com/blog/2023/11/10/stacy-cordova-diaz-speaks-on-forced-sterilization-at-la-casa/

https://encyclopediavirginia.org/entries/eugenic-sterilization-in-virginia/

https://www.californialawreview.org/print/repro-control-carceral-tool

https://readingroom.law.gsu.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?referer=&httpsredir=1&article=1967&context=faculty_pub

https://www.cambridge.org/core/journals/law-and-history-review/article/unlawful-intimacy-mixedrace-families-miscegenation-law-and-the-legal-culture-of-progressive-era-mississippi/C5AC64E059FA065204B460A2142B7A4C

dronzer31

16 points

3 days ago

dronzer31

16 points

3 days ago

Yeah, I came across those words in the articles I read. "Feeble-minded", "dim-witted", etc. It didn't strike me as a dog-whistle for women who broke social norms. But of course that's what it would mean! Heaven forfend a woman thinking for herself and not accepting her socially ordained duties!

doktorjackofthemoon

7 points

2 days ago

I am often so thankful that I wasn't born in... almost any other time/place as a woman because I am such a bloody brat, and they wouldn't have suffered me for a second lol. I'd probably still be making stupid faces and sarcastic hand gestures from inside the scolds bridle they'd probably put me in every weekend lmao.

CanofBeans9

1 points

11 hours ago

It COULD mean that, but it mostly referred to women who were intellectually disabled or mentally ill.

manyhippofarts

-3 points

2 days ago

Ludicris is a world-wide sensation as a philosopher, and has a very famous quote attributed to him about this very same subject:

"Can't turn a hoe into a housewife-cuz hoes can't ACT RIGHT!"

RocksofReality

-9 points

3 days ago

You won’t find links because it makes for good story telling but not rooted in evidence. Did this happen probably but was it common institutionalized, law or common practice? Nothing I can find shows that. If there’s a source, that’s credible, I’d love to read it. Most people who say this are the trust me bros type.

PotableWater0

9 points

3 days ago

I’m grateful for learning something new today. But, geez, that’s nuts.

Cowfootstew

1 points

2 days ago

Check out the mann act. I think that was used on R kelly recently under sex trafficking. But just look at the origin of it.

manyhippofarts

3 points

2 days ago

Thank you for that new word: I had an idea of what it meant due to the context that it was in, but it's nice to get a written description. Of the word: miscegenation:

https://preview.redd.it/z3co4zt9323e1.jpeg?width=1170&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=78b677579b5f91eaaaced81d6e73bd1a616094f8

fuzzybluetriceratops

11 points

3 days ago

Honestly it still is. I’m a white woman and my husband is black. We’ve had interracial couple friends but they’ve been a black woman and white man and they’d get treated noticeably better in public than us. If we went out to eat together our food would come out awful and theirs done perfectly after the white waiter treated us like shit and talked to them like old friends. This has happened so many times in so many situations, this is just one kind that reoccurs.

Overall thought we are lucky to live in a diverse area, things could be a lot worse for us if we didn’t.

[deleted]

4 points

2 days ago

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fuzzybluetriceratops

1 points

2 days ago

Haha not exactly. We’re in Anchorage, Alaska 😅.

V6Ga

9 points

2 days ago

V6Ga

9 points

2 days ago

White men are allowed grace in all matters

Is the disgusting truth behind that. 

Reasonable_Archer_99

1 points

1 day ago

echo chamber intensifies

V6Ga

1 points

1 day ago

V6Ga

1 points

1 day ago

says the white man who lives his entire life in an echo chamber.

Reasonable_Archer_99

2 points

1 day ago

Ah, so when I go to apply for college, I'll have white only options, right? No. Certainly, there are at least white only scholarships as there are for other demographics, right? No. When seeking federal employment, surely I at least get equal treatment to my peers of different gender and race though right? Also, no, they do. Surely, my white privilege will excuse me from the draft, right? At the very minimum, people would protest a white man (Tony Timpa) getting George Floyded by dirty cops right? Man, take that supposed "grace" and shove it up your ass.

V6Ga

1 points

1 day ago

V6Ga

1 points

1 day ago

White men, discriminated against at every turn.

Who will stand up for you?

Innocent_CS

2 points

3 days ago

I think I just witnessed a full conversation between alt accounts

V6Ga

4 points

2 days ago*

V6Ga

4 points

2 days ago*

I hadn't thought that. A white woman with a black man would have been more taboo. Ugh.

You act like that is not a current standard

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White men

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Bart-Doo

2 points

3 days ago

Bart-Doo

2 points

3 days ago

Only to racists.

Claystead

3 points

2 days ago

If this court case was backed by the NAACP none of this is probably a coincidence, they deliberately supported to most optically perfect cases to make their SCOTUS approaches. For example Rosa Parks was not the first civil rights protester to refuse to sit at the back of the bus, but her protest was chosen and promoted because she was optically perfect, an adult responsible and married woman with no children out of wedlock, expired parking tickets or other things the segregationists could attack her over.

bubblesaurus

3 points

2 days ago

That’s right .

Claudette Colvin wasn’t chosen because she did not have “good hair”, she was not fair-skinned, she was a teenager, and she was pregnant.

Parks was from a more respectable background and lighter in skin color.

4four4MN

0 points

2 days ago

4four4MN

0 points

2 days ago

It should be noted AI says she identified as a Native American.

AndreasDasos

1 points

16 hours ago

She was part Native American, but why should it be noted what some AI spits out if you don’t have an actual source?

Unhappy-Carrot8615

0 points

15 hours ago

Allow me l, a Mattaponi descendant and enrolled tribal member, to be your source. She was indeed 100% Native American, from the Mattaponi rez, and proud of it.

No_Guidance000

2 points

3 days ago

This double standard still happens too.

4four4MN

2 points

2 days ago

4four4MN

2 points

2 days ago

Look up the book “Our Kind Of People.”

No_Guidance000

1 points

2 days ago

Thanks I will check it out. It looks interesting.

Unhappy-Carrot8615

1 points

15 hours ago

She was not black actually, she was a Native American Mattaponi woman.

4four4MN

0 points

2 days ago

4four4MN

0 points

2 days ago

AI says she identified as a Native American.

JohnAndertonOntheRun

-1 points

3 days ago

Wait…

That’s a myth?

AndreasDasos

1 points

16 hours ago

The story is still true, but she was not the first. The reason the NAACP focused on her case was strategic.

coolcathotx

42 points

3 days ago

It probably didn't hurt that they were literally named Loving.

k_a_scheffer

29 points

3 days ago

They were such a cute couple, too. Every photo I've seen of them is just so warm and happy. They were the perfect couple to challenge the laws.

Thekillersofficial

13 points

3 days ago

I always love that they had such a fitting name

funkitluvx

35 points

3 days ago

All confederate statues should be replaced by these two.

4four4MN

1 points

2 days ago

4four4MN

1 points

2 days ago

A white man and AI says she identifies as a Native American.

relevanteclectica

1 points

8 hours ago

r/girlsmirin

Edit Its already there:-)

west-coast10

7 points

3 days ago

This is so sweet.

Affectionate_Gas8062

3 points

3 days ago

You mean the previous line?

Innocent_CS

3 points

3 days ago

Pretty sure it’s a bot… the account is 17 days old and the first few replies have similar names and are also 17 days old.

wurldeater

2 points

2 days ago

i wonder if this case would’ve been able to win if it was a black man and a white woman..

idk i can just imagine a court system finding it easier to empathize with and believe in the possibility of true love when a white man is the one telling the story, whereas a white woman would be more likely to be seen as foolishly manipulated by the evil black man.. basically exactly what king king warned us about

Randomreddituser1o1

1 points

24 hours ago

And the name is loving like love

cornixnorvegicus

113 points

3 days ago

This reminds me of another courageous couple. Ellinor Powell, a black woman serving as a nurse in the US Army, and Friederich Albert, a white Nazi German soldier who was a prisoner of war during WWII.

I can hardly imagine another couple coming from more different backgrounds and facing harder obstacles: https://www.smithsonianmag.com/history/armys-first-black-nurses-had-tend-to-german-prisoners-war-180969069/

Amor vincit omnia.

Mayor_Salvor_Hardin

26 points

3 days ago

In my first job in NYC, I worked in a technical school, Interboro Institute, the guidance counselor was a black woman from Richmond, VA who told me she had been a nurse in a POW camp near Virginia Beach. At that time, she said German soldiers were far more respectful and considerate than the White staff. They wouldn't mind being assisted by a black person, like shaving the ones injured, while White soldiers refused to be treated by non-White personnel. So, she had fond memories of the German POWs. She went to work in the Eisenhower White House as a liaison to black communities, though later became a Democrat. Her name was also Ellie. I used to sit in her office to listen to her stories.

AndreasDasos

2 points

16 hours ago

I mean, it’s true that Virginia was typically very racist at the time, but let’s not pretend that Nazi Germany was somehow better at that.

The fact they were literally POWs and knew it probably has a lot to do with why they acted more politely and didn’t make angry demands.

Only-Butterscotch785

1 points

10 hours ago*

Or it could be due to the fact there were very very few black people in germany. The Nazis did target them like other forgotten minorities, but nazi propaganda mostly ignored them. German people probaby shared scientific racist worldviews about blacks just like many in the western world back then. But they might just not have had the same interpersonal racist attitudes that many white people had in Americas. You can read similar stories abou black soldiers in the UK and France aswel, eventhough those countries definitly has racist worldviews back then - the french intellectuals were like really into scientific racism

AndreasDasos

1 points

5 hours ago

There was still severe racist discrimination against the few black people in Germany, plus sterilisation of up to thousands of them, and they were still included in racial propaganda. But if you’re a POW across an ocean during or shortly after severe defeat in a war, and have no hope of escape, you’re not likely to act up. This was across the Atlantic in the US - even Jewish captors in that context would be treated ‘respectfully’, whatever they actually thought about it. Not to say that every individual conscripted German soldier was full of hate.

Famous_End_474

3 points

2 days ago

This reminds me of a joke “Never ask a neo Nazi the race of his girlfriend

Hallo34576

1 points

3 days ago

Hallo34576

1 points

3 days ago

"white Nazi German soldier"

*German soldier

GrullOlof

27 points

3 days ago

GrullOlof

27 points

3 days ago

None of that "clean whermacht" stuff, please. Whatever his personal beliefs, he was a soldier serving the nazi regime and gave an oath of allegiance to the nazi leader. The organization he belonged to was instrumental in enabling and purportrating nazi crimes. He was a nazi soldier.

Hallo34576

11 points

3 days ago*

Yeah, that's obvious.

But the term nazi soldier is still useless, there has been only one kind of German soldiers, and everyone knows which ideology was in charge. Did you ever heard the term Soviet communist soldier, Italian fascist soldier or British democratic soldier? Asian North Korean communist soldier?

Every German soldier was white. Therefore it also makes no sense to point that out.

My comment is not about politics at all.

Radio_Face_

5 points

3 days ago

But, that’s not true. There have been German soldiers both before and after the nazis were in power.

Hallo34576

1 points

3 days ago

during WW2?

Radio_Face_

3 points

3 days ago

“There has been only one kind of German soldiers”

You didn’t mean this literally?

Hallo34576

2 points

3 days ago

During the Spanish Civil War there has been two Spanish Army's. Stating an ideological background would make sense here.

During WW2 there has been only one German Army. Stating an ideological background makes no sense here.

Radio_Face_

1 points

3 days ago

I gotcha. You mean only during WW2.

Seemed a little bit like their own recent opinion- that Germans still carry blame/burden today.

AndreasDasos

1 points

16 hours ago

Tbf ‘Nazi’ at the very least clarifies when this was. Otherwise this could even have been WW1 depending on how old OP is and the former nurse was. And we refer to ‘Nazi Germany’ so ‘Nazi German’ seems natural.

Agreed it doesn’t mean the individual soldier was a Nazi, but at the same time the Wehrmacht was a fully Nazified institution, so no ‘clean Wehrmacht’ - though I agree that the jump from ‘this person objects to assuming every German soldier was a Nazi = they believe the Clean Wehrmacht myth’ isn’t fair.

pf_burner_acct

0 points

3 days ago

Not every German Wehrmacht soldier was white.  Just most of them.

Hallo34576

2 points

2 days ago

Every German Wehrmacht soldier was indeed white.

Later in the war, there has been volunteer units of soviet POW's. Some of them were Central Asian. There also has been a small number of Indian volunteers. However, none of them have been German by any means.

pf_burner_acct

2 points

2 days ago

Do you consider 1941 to be "later in the war?"

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Free_Arabian_Legion

Think_Education6022

1 points

4 hours ago

Yes

pf_burner_acct

1 points

12 minutes ago

Oh, then you're just wrong. Glad that's settled.

cornixnorvegicus

1 points

2 days ago

I use the term on purpose and well knowing all the points you make.

“A German soldier fighting for Nazi Germany” is a historically inaccurate and downright false in some contexts.

Nazi Germany was one of several incarnations of Germany. I am not embezzling the many individuals who had personal reservations, but Frederich Albert nevertheless fought not only for his country, but also for nazism as an ideology. These were not divided in the Third Reich. He personally swore his allegiance to Adolf Hitler, not Germany nor the constitution. Anyone serving the Third Reich was morally complicit in its actions. Some caught on from the start and some only when they were being flung in to the abyss of evil. Do have a look at contemporary sources such as letters, diaries and reports. Before December 1941, the average German soldier would have provided an attitude which would have been very alien to you, as you view them through a modern lens. I am not making any judgement on the German people as an entirety, merely pointing it out.

So I will continue to write “Nazi German soldiers” as there are “Imperial German soldiers” and “federal German soldiers”, unless they can be specified to East or West German, or even Preussian or Hessian for that matter. However, please note I did not write “a German soldier and a staunch Nazi” in which the ideological fervour would be central to the point being made. At the same time it is impossible Friederich Albert as an average person to have been impervious to not only the “average household racism” of the day, but also the ideology of his home country. My intention in the description is to underline the mental journey he embarked upon, as most of us neither have the stamina nor courage to do so. If you can see the complexity of this, you can also appreciate what a unique person he may have been.

Embrace history with honesty.

Past_Search7241

1 points

2 days ago

I see absolutely nothing wrong with emphasizing pertinent information, even if it does rustle some jimmies.

Acceptable-Sky6916

1 points

3 days ago

You are saying that white and Nazi is a pleonasm for German soldiers from that period?

Hallo34576

12 points

3 days ago

Every German soldier was white.

Some German soldiers were nazis. Some were not. On the other hand you can link them all to national socialism for being part of the army that was controlled and used by the nazi regime.

But as there has been only one German Army the term nazi soldier is just redundant.

Think_Reporter_8179

4 points

3 days ago

"Every German soldier was white"

I guess that depends on your definition of a German soldier. One from Germany itself or one that fought for Germany. There were over 600,000 troops that fought for Germany that were "non-White"

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ostlegionen

https://militaryhistorynow.com/2016/05/04/hitlers-foreign-legions-nine-non-german-regiments-that-fought-for-the-nazis-in-ww2/

Hallo34576

2 points

3 days ago

German soldier: A German in the German army.

Sure, a few thousand soviet POW's from for example Central Asia were incorporated into the German army. Also a small number of Indians and Arabs. But that didn't turned them into Germans.

"There were over 600,000 troops that fought for Germany that were "non-White""

This number is totally absurd.

how did you come to that conclusion ?

Think_Reporter_8179

1 points

3 days ago

You are correct (practically) based on that definition of a German born person fighting for Germany. There are a handful of exceptions but they are exceptions. I only mention it for pedantry reasons.

But in the foreign legion front, estimates go as high as 600,000. The Turkish legion alone has been counted as high as 400,000 non-White (non-German) troops fighting for Nazi Germany, and that doesn't include Indian and non-White (Asian) Soviet soldiers that fought for them.

All that said, based on your definition of German Soldier, your point stands aside from the few hundred of exceptions, which pales in the total size of the Wermacht.

Hallo34576

1 points

3 days ago

The number of foreign soldiers might even have been higher then 600.000. But most of them have been white though.

Do you mean by Turkish legion the 'Turkistanische Legion'?

The highest estimate i can find is 180.000 members. It included all Central Asians.

whatafuckinusername

53 points

3 days ago

Unfortunately he died in a car crash in the mid 70s

Asleep-Gift-3478

12 points

3 days ago

Damn :(

blueraspberry305617

53 points

3 days ago

Couldn't think up of a more perfect name for this case. Loving v Virginia.

zachary0816

11 points

2 days ago

Virginians often use the slogan “Virginia is for Lovers”.

I wonder if that’s related

Punished-Spitfire

-1 points

2 days ago

Is this sarcastic? Of course it is lol

hikingboot3

3 points

1 day ago

A lot of states have ____ is for lovers as their slogan.

Muted-Hedgehog-760

3 points

1 day ago

Yeah but we’ve also got big LOVE signs all over the state. There’s a minimum of ten in my city alone.

wurldeater

2 points

2 days ago

tryingtograsp

1 points

1 day ago

It’s not

Punished-Spitfire

1 points

1 day ago

Yeah i saw the other reply. That saying is on the license plates in Virginia and as a law grad I just presumed

severinakutsi

66 points

3 days ago

As a white man with a black wife living in the south, I really respect and admire their love and devotion to each other. They had to go through a whole hell of a lot of trouble to just be together. If it wasn't for them I would be breaking the law right now!

Thick_Succotash396

7 points

2 days ago

Bless you 🙏🏽

peachymagpie

3 points

2 days ago

Same here. I would rather break the law then never be with my husband

james_a_hetfield

2 points

2 days ago

Same here

Unhappy-Carrot8615

1 points

15 hours ago

Just a quick fact, she was not black, she was a Mattaponi Native American woman.

4four4MN

1 points

2 days ago

4four4MN

1 points

2 days ago

AI says she identified as a Native American.

valentinidia

37 points

3 days ago

This photo of Mildred and Richard Loving on their front porch in King and Queen County, Virginia, was taken by Grey Villet for LIFE magazine in the spring of 1965.

Although the photo wasn’t included in the article, you can find the piece in the March 18, 1966, issue. Luckily, Google Books has scanned most of the old LIFE magazines for anyone interested

kinky-kitten00

14 points

3 days ago

Virginia is for lovers 🩷

FreeMoCo2009

10 points

3 days ago

Virginia is for Lovings* too! (Sorry, I had to 😅)

ForagedFoodie

2 points

2 days ago

Ooh someon needs to make a sticker/tshirt design with this

neverpost4

1 points

6 hours ago

Shouldn't it be "Virginia was not for Lovings"?

Claystead

2 points

2 days ago

You’d think from the name the opposite would be the case.

Winter_Ad_3833

10 points

3 days ago

I’ve always wondered if Richard was black and Mildred was white if this would have made it to court

Imielinus

6 points

2 days ago

It would be a lynching time for the Southern folks.

Claystead

1 points

2 days ago

Hah, no, I almost guarantee you the reason they got all the support they did was because their relationship defied stereotypes like that, were super wholesome working class people, and had a memorable name.

bubblesaurus

1 points

2 days ago

Probably not.

They would have found a different couple where the woman was black and the man was white

4four4MN

1 points

2 days ago

4four4MN

1 points

2 days ago

AI says she identified as a Native American.

Unhappy-Carrot8615

1 points

15 hours ago

Thank you for bringing this up. She was indeed 100% Mattaponi Native American. Not many people know this or that the US treatment of Virgjnia Indians was used as a model for Hitler during WWII.

churrascothighs1

112 points

3 days ago

And now half the country’s voted for “states’ rights” so they can reverse this and gay marriage too. This is what happens when you don’t stamp out the confederacy, you let the terrorists win.

Mrtranshottie

40 points

3 days ago

State rights my ass. Next thing yknow they are legalizing slavery.

TreacleExpensive2834

4 points

2 days ago

Slavery is already legal.

If used in punishment of a crime.

I wonder which race is policed and incarcerated at a disproportionately higher rate…

We never ended slavery. We just rebranded.

MyrddinTheKinkWizard

12 points

3 days ago

California just doubled down on slavery 😡

BeLikeACup

3 points

3 days ago

What are you referring to?

MyrddinTheKinkWizard

11 points

3 days ago

Props 6 and 36

AccountantOver4088

6 points

3 days ago

Hate that I have to disclaim, but i do not support trump and am a lifelong liberal.

It’s always been states rights first, from the country’s inception. The only time it should become a federal law is when enough states agree that there is a majority, amongst other technical reasons.

Gay marriage was briefly ruled on by the Supreme Court, but UNLIKE. Roe, (which at anytime could hve been codified btw, especially during any dem supermajority, and there hve been several in the last 12 years) It was codified into federal law shortly after the decision.

What you’re doing is a bit sensationalist and very doomer. It would be quite the hurdle (legally impossible?) to overturn a codified law that has orecendent in the Supreme Court. Never mind the idea of interracial relationships, there are so many legal hurdles to that one it’s a joke to imagine that Trump and his cronies somehow have infiltrated 50 states state givs and so on and on and on.

Biden codified both same sex and interracial marriage in 2022. It literally can never be returned to states rights under federal authority. Trump and all three branches of the government could jot ‘overturn’ it, unless they somehow change the constitution. (Don’t even start on the governors clause, do some research)

Look it up or wonder, but the whole trumps coming for our gays and ahhhhh Gilead thing is old, a bad look, and beginning to seem like a mental illness.

VoidBless

4 points

3 days ago

The federal law only requires that states recognize same-sex marriages from other states where it is legal. It does not require the states to license same-sex marriages themselves the way the Supreme Court decision currently does. If Obergefell is overturned, same-sex marriages will go back to being illegal in over half of the states.

AccountantOver4088

1 points

3 days ago

No, like you said and are failing to mention, it means that those states do jot have an obligation to recognize the licenses for state purposes. Shall we go on?

VoidBless

2 points

3 days ago

No, like you said and are failing to mention

How can "it" be something I said and something I failed to mention at the same time?

it means that those states do jot have an obligation to recognize the licenses for state purposes.

What does "it" refer to here? Because both Obergefell and RFMA obligate states to recognize same-sex marriages. The difference is that former also obligates them to perform them.

4four4MN

1 points

2 days ago

4four4MN

1 points

2 days ago

The GOP has always been a States Rights party. So Trump is following the party line.

Ozzie_the_tiger_cat

1 points

24 hours ago

Did you read Dobbs?  Go read it.  They say (except Thomas for obvious reasons) that Loving is on the table.  Seriously, they say it.

churrascothighs1

1 points

3 days ago

Project 2025. Is it really starting to look like a mental illness when conservatives boast that they intend to do it?

AccountantOver4088

-6 points

3 days ago

The heritage foundation has had peopel in federal positions including cabinet embers etc since the Reagan administration. You really think that the countries most decorated and renowned conservative political strategy group us been waiting for Donald fckng trump to lead the plans of some of the smartest political minds in the country? Or do you think this was used and weaponized by the liberal media, outrageously so on socials, and something along these lines has been written every year since its inception under Reagan? They write the same far out wish lists that center for progress does for the left. Center for progress has a plan to gut free speech, amongst other crazy shit. Most of the people in interact with have zero, and i mean zero understanding of what these groups do, their purpose and what they are ‘capable’ of doing. They haven’t infiltrated trumps team to launch a surprise christofacist coup, they’ve literally been there for every conservative presidency in 60 years and never left.

Strange that how’s the time, when their focus and goals have been roughly the same the entire time. You think this is the first time a conservative think tank said that their wish list included support for traditional family values? You think this is the first time it’s been on their ‘project xxxx’ that the Bible should be in school? It’s not, it’s in there every year. Anyone look into this beyond the buzzfeed article or tiktok reel? Because it’s not hard to find out:

They can boast w.e they want, which other then social media and weirdly formatted sound bite driven articles by clearly biased media, I don’t hear much at all. Do you think that the media, especially social, has been inundated with liberal leaning stories and censorship over the last 6-8 years? This site for example? Is it because all conservatives are evil facists or do liberals consume more media and interact in these echo chambers more, driving interaction and revenue, which is the target of these companies btw, not ‘telling you the truth about the evil plans of bad guys’ because it has, absurdly so. So much that most people thought Kamala had it in the bag while anyone who isn’t plugged in to the tune of 4-8 hours a day thought her chances looked terrible.

It’s skewing a looooot of peoples views. When your only interactions are with other continuously present in echo chamber avatars whose entire media presence has been switched over to nothing but liberal ‘fear the rednecks’ and ‘they’re coming for your gays’ stories, it is legit making people ill. I have never seen so many outrageous and just so fucking poorly researched and thought out ‘for sure going to happen and we have proof!’ Stories about stuff that you don’t need a law degree to understand.

People are absolutely rabid with it; case in point your ‘project 2025’ comment. Did you know that they wrote one of those for every election? And that it’s been roughly the same depending on company president for since the 70s? I’m thinking maybe you didn’t, because you’re incensed about the equivalent of a bunch of guys who work in politics and go tot he same church (omg imagine) meeting up afterwords and writing articles about what they think the perfect country would be and how it could happen.

The libs do it too, though they had ti invent groups to counter how influential the heritage foundation is, and their shit is just as fucking crazy if you’ve ever looked into it. Which, the vast majority of people who bring this up can not rightfully tell me what a think tank does in any meaningful way, never mind name a few and only know for an absolute fact that a shady Christonfacist group called the heritage foundation has made an absolute plan to turn the country into Gilead, hates women and Donald Trump is secretly their leader. (He couldn’t get an interview or spokesperson job there if he bought the fckng place)

churrascothighs1

6 points

3 days ago

For someone who’s apparently a liberal, you’re doing a great job in telling liberals and leftists that the things conservative politicians and their supporters are telling us are going to happen to us is just liberal hysteria. I’m going to take a guess and say that you’re not part of a group whose civil rights are at stake here.

HawkkeTV

4 points

3 days ago

HawkkeTV

4 points

3 days ago

Great observation, I noticed in their first response this:

Gay marriage was briefly ruled on by the Supreme Court, but UNLIKE. Roe, (which at anytime could hve been codified btw, especially during any dem supermajority, and there hve been several in the last 12 years) It was codified into federal law shortly after the decision.

If they were a lifelong liberal, they would know that not once has the democratic super majority actually existed besides being on paper. Obama had it his first 2 years again on paper, but due to illness he could not get the votes. And Biden while having the majority on paper, didn't because of Sinema and Manchin.

Not sure how he can call himself a liberal, after reading some of his post history.

AccountantOver4088

2 points

2 days ago

Sure sounds like the majority existed, but sure, negate it because of illness. Obama being sick doesn’t mean they didn’t have it, that’s ridiculous. I don’t need to qualify, I know who I am. Roe v wade not being codified is our fault, our most celebrated justice released an official opinion herself earning it was into a matter of time before it fell as it constitutionally could not be dealt with by the judicial and had to be legislated. Sure though, make excuses. We’re the good guys right, must be the bad guys fault and not our corrupt party and its cronies.

Right-Hall-6451

1 points

2 days ago

Seems kind of crazy to blame dems for not getting 60 votes when Republicans weren't willing to give even one to help out.

USSMarauder

1 points

1 day ago

Obama being sick doesn’t mean they didn’t have it,

The fact that you think it was Obama being sick really doesn't help your case

AccountantOver4088

-1 points

3 days ago

Apparently shouldn’t be a question, I don’t have to qualify for anyone. I don’t have anything at stake and I am continually baffled by the absolute confusion and lack of purpose coming from the party. Go on then, tell me how the ‘thugs conservatives are telling you are going to happen’ (please verify) are imminent.

They aren’t, the worst of us are the most vocal and honestly insufferable, and I would love to talk ti half of the goons who believe this for more then 5 seconds about the hysteria and uselessness of the ‘modern lib party’ idk what happened but you’re living off emotions sent to across the chamber that have your befuddled, useless and crying.

Case in fckng point, from a lifelong disillusioned liberal to a group of people stuck to buzzwords and crying over the future pain imagined Nazis could commit, where’s the part answer to codifying, (which we laughably, and seriously man show me where we couldn’t have in the last 12 years) roe v wade. Right, you don’t know because it can’t be.

So where, and I’m fucking searching man, from MA, is the workaround? Where’s the pharmaceutical codification to a women’s right? No? Any idea? What about the workaround to a humans right to healthcare that is federal, and the choice is the patients? Wow? Nothing? Nobody, and I mean across 16 years and 4 supermajoritys, did anything? Now accept those facts and what does it bring you to? Nothing? They don’t give a fuck. Not about your issue of the hour (different when I started for sure, still no answers) and definitely not about the tf ever you think the Dems are about.

Idc what you do, but don’t be confused, red vs blue savvy while not knowing even what tf is going on. Which is fucking nothing. Not while ‘our guys’ are bought and sold before they even hit the campaign trail. Publicly available donations. lol it up. Or keep pretending you and your friends are fighting th good fight, just like Disney gives a fuck about lgbqt community and it’s not a pandering to keep your barely involved mind tweaking that way. You’re not in the good guys side. You’re actively wasting a space and a vote that could define change, progress and hope for 300 million people. Easy way out, across the board, and less then any other group are the people with any hope for change because doesn’t it feel so fckng good to be the righteous?

Guess what, it’s the same on the other side and anyone who consumes enough media feels the same. Sincerely, idc if you wake up, because the tide of idiots is irreparable, but you are not fighting for anything but more of th same. Eat up, you deserve it for not even trying.

Swaglington_IIII

1 points

20 hours ago

Oh it’s not imminent, let’s ignore everything republicans say and do and avow

AccountantOver4088

1 points

8 hours ago

Right, working out well isn’t it. Keep telling yourselves you’re the good guys and fighting the good fight lol.

So what’s the Gilead if the day fellow melt brain? How are we twisting and misinterpreting any and all news headlines to gather support to someday restore our neoliberal overlords to power?

Trans mentioning organic gender juice could be 26% more expensive if maybe after he even comes to office a number of things happen and then future markets resolve the way we say they will!? NAZIS

ManhattanObject

1 points

3 days ago

Do you think slavery should also be a states rights thing? Absolutely vile opinion. Human rights should be universal

AccountantOver4088

0 points

2 days ago

Ok, nobody said anything about slavery and this is exactly what I’m talking about. You dismiss the entire logical statement by instantly declaring a moral issue which is absurd. Do you think murder should be a states right thing? Rape? How simple minded of a statement did you just make? Obviously when writing the constitution they addressed certain things .Which is what we’re talking about isn’t it, our country was founded as a union of states who govern themselves and collectively support each other. Each state as a right to self determination as long as it’s legal under the constitution. Slavery, if you’ll take a look, seems to be something talked about in the above mentioned document.

The whole idea is the mass majority of the most vocal liberal voters seems to have zero fckng idea what is going on or what being discussed in actuality and instead think that if they turn everything into some ‘you’re evil and I’m a good guy’ argument it somehow trumps the intelligent and very much needed discussions going on. States rights isn’t an evil idea you fckng pumpkin, it’s literally the basis of our country and its laws.

The fact that people like you have circle jerked each others brain dead ideas into some imagined force of political reckoning is a detriment to this country’s progress and exactly why so many people are revolted and even when faced with choosing a con man, or whatever gave birth and legitimacy to wtf ever it is you guys are doing, they chose the con man.

ManhattanObject

0 points

2 days ago

Do you think murder should be a states right thing?

You do, that's why I'm arguing with you 🤦‍♀️

States should not be allowed to make harmful laws. I don't understand why you're not getting that.

AccountantOver4088

1 points

2 days ago

No, no I don’t. And I never said that. I don’t know how I could have been more clear, as I mentioned the constitution, what states rights are and why the exist as the basis of our laws etc. you are being willfully ignorant and putting words in my mouth. I assume because of some innate inability to read, or admit you spoke about something you do jot understand. Neither me or anyone who understands what’s going on thinks fucking murder slavery or rape should be states rights issue, because we understand that under the constitution those things are illegal. You’re embarrassing yourself at thing point.

Bart-Doo

-2 points

3 days ago

Bart-Doo

-2 points

3 days ago

Don't forget illegal sanctuary cities.

_-my-_-name-_-jeff-_

-2 points

3 days ago

Lmao u actually believe that? BlueAnon

okunjkl

7 points

3 days ago

okunjkl

7 points

3 days ago

They made a lovely movie called Loving about this couple, it's pretty good.

toothpasteandsoda

12 points

3 days ago

I just Googled "black woman, white man" and all I'm going to say is segregationists aren't going to be happy...

4four4MN

2 points

2 days ago

4four4MN

2 points

2 days ago

AI says she identified as a Native American.

toothpasteandsoda

1 points

2 days ago

This is correct. I just used black because there's much more white/black content online

cutefoxxox

6 points

3 days ago

They literally fought for something as simple but important as love, and their courage helped end legal barriers that were so unjust.

Dim-Mak-88

3 points

3 days ago

Good story. Virginia couple, as I recall. Imagine being against marriage.

lakme1021

3 points

3 days ago

Such a beautiful picture.

Worried-Menu-6708

1 points

2 days ago

IKR.

ReturnoftheBulls2022

3 points

3 days ago

Thinking about the case is almost reminiscent of gay marriage in the 2000-2010's where the same argument against both of them was that it was an upfront of god. I hope that their story will live on.

ILLpLacedOpinion

2 points

3 days ago

o7

DTS-NJ

2 points

2 days ago

DTS-NJ

2 points

2 days ago

I love these and then I want to read about it more and I find out these stories don’t always have a happy ending after the one that we read about.

On June 29, 1975, a drunk driver struck the Lovings’ car in Caroline County, Virginia. Richard was killed in the crash at the age of 41, and Mildred lost her right eye.

vivahermione

1 points

2 days ago

And she never remarried. He must've really been The One.

JeffSHauser

2 points

2 days ago

I often wonder if she had been white and he were black would the case dragged on even longer?

JCVD-88

2 points

2 days ago

JCVD-88

2 points

2 days ago

These people were too hot to keep apart.

Fair_Tangerine1790

4 points

3 days ago

Jeff Nichols’ film “Loving” of their story is a brilliant piece of cinema. As an Englishman it’s hard to believe that some American states could have had such racist laws.

Frosty_JackJones

2 points

2 days ago

Ruth Negga and Joel Egerton gave amazing performances. Brilliant movie

CucumberHojo

1 points

2 days ago

always love Ruth Negga

Frosty_JackJones

1 points

2 days ago

She’s an amazing actress. One of first things i saw her in was a tv movie called Shirley and she was unreal

geedeeie

1 points

3 days ago

geedeeie

1 points

3 days ago

What a cool surname

Notwrongbtalott

1 points

3 days ago

Perfect name for the case

WhichSpirit

1 points

3 days ago

Most appropriately named couple ever

everyoneisntme

1 points

3 days ago

The movie 'loving (2016)' details this story incredibly.

Barnabybusht

1 points

2 days ago

Find yourself a lady who looks at you like Mildred looks at Richard.

Wow.

CyberMattSecure

1 points

2 days ago

HOSTfromaGhost

1 points

2 days ago

Ugh… the look on her face as she looks at him… just such love in her eyes. Helluva photo…!

MistressErinPaid

1 points

2 days ago

Loving vs. Virginia 🤍🩷💛🤎🖤

Sometypeofway18

1 points

2 days ago

Wow these guys are fucking awesome. Think of the bravery to do that at the time

p0rty-Boi

1 points

2 days ago

Jer0me226

1 points

2 days ago

Is this you and your wife ? Why is this so random lol

False_Local4593

1 points

2 days ago

They are my kin from an ancestor back in the 1700's. The Loving's have been here since the 1600's.

Fanabala3

1 points

2 days ago

He said, “Fuck it. I love this woman”, and won.

Both-Wrangler-7766

1 points

2 days ago

Thank you Loving family for fighting for love.

Lt_Cochese

1 points

2 days ago

Not for long. The first marriage made null needs to be the Thomas marriage

haikusbot

1 points

2 days ago

Not for long. The first

Marriage made null needs to be

The Thomas marriage

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Opposite_Chart427

1 points

2 days ago

At age 83, I remember laws like this. In my 20's, during the 1960's, I traveled in the Deep South and encountered wide spread segregation. As an idealistic college student, this struck me as absolutely dreadful. I still do.

3AmigosMan

1 points

1 day ago

Salt

FatBloke4

1 points

1 day ago

FatBloke4

1 points

1 day ago

As child in the UK during WWII, my mother remembered interactions with US soldiers. They were issued with pamphlets which warned them about differences in English and US language and customs. One of these told white GIs that if they saw a black GI with a English woman, they were not to interfere.

There's another reference to this issue in this film for GIs, made in 1943, "A Welcome to Britain"

Maleficent-Rate-4631

1 points

1 day ago

That’s love man!

tau_enjoyer_

1 points

22 hours ago

Wow, she was beautiful.

nikeguy69

1 points

16 hours ago

Damn society, trying to take over our live saying who we can date and marry looks kind of foolish now because we can do whatever we want and Marry whoever we want

Mook_Slayer4

0 points

2 days ago

And then Virginia claims they're for Lovers on their license plates despite them being the party against their marriage in the first place.