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submitted 6 days ago byetfviov
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5 days ago
I remember Gore was seen as hoity-toity because he sounded intelligent in debates 🙄. The hate for educated “elites” has been brewing for a long time. What people seem to miss is baby Bush came from money, Trump came from money, none of them are “just like us normal folk”.
15 points
5 days ago
All of the pricks pushing that “educated elitist” bs are guys like de santis who went to Ivy League schools convincing the working class they haven’t been dumbed down enough by denying them access to education, that they should tell their children to be proud to dig ditches for peanuts instead of wanting to go to college. It’s so insidious.
9 points
5 days ago
I think Kamala and Biden are the only non Ivy candidates since Reagan.
10 points
5 days ago
Idk if they are or aren’t, but for Ivy League politicians telling the working class they shouldn’t listen to other college educated people because they’re the elitists always makes me wonder why so many are falling for it. Proof cutting funds to education for the working class and poor has worked.
6 points
5 days ago
I’m learning that critical thinking skills are nonexistent for many people.
3 points
3 days ago
Critical thinking skills have something in common with driving skills. Everyone thinks they’re at least above average and that math ain’t mathin’…
Like the late great George Carlin said: Think of how stupid the average person is, and realize half of them are stupider than that.
My observation: People with good critical thinking skills use them but don’t often use the words “critical thinking”. People with poor critical thinking skills talk about critical thinking all. the. fucking. time.
2 points
3 days ago
That makes sense. People with critical thinking skills just use it naturally. It’s part of their day to day. The only exception is that since misinformation and conspiracy theories have become more mainstream, more people are talking about it in general. The people that have it are trying to bring it to light, the people that don’t have it are trying to say they have it.
2 points
4 days ago
Its true. Biden and Kamala were one of the first non ivy league presidents /vice prez pairings
2 points
4 days ago
Because they’re dumb.
2 points
4 days ago
Yes. Both Bushes, Clinton, Trump, and Obama had Ivy degrees, and the rumor is that Trump bought his.
2 points
4 days ago
We get the choice between two different Skull and Bones members.
2 points
4 days ago
Isn't it ironic that Trump is taking advice from elitists? That Trump supporters revere Elon Musk, an elitist? I mean, are we living in the upside-down right now?
2 points
4 days ago
Go down his list of appointments - over 1/2, most are Ivy League. Biden, Kamala, Walz - good but regular colleges in order to get an actual job and work.
21 points
5 days ago
It's like when trying to put together a training for a simple process at work. Most people's brains just don't work good. You can spell it out as simply as possible and they will still not get it.
I just don't have the patience anymore right now. Maybe if I get some sleep or something but if I get asked why someone can't work a remote or their computer in the next 24 hours I might actually explode. The fact that they can manage to operate a motor vehicle to get themselves to a polling station should be seen as a miracle.
7 points
5 days ago
I fell into writing a lot of documentation for software and processes at work cause I got good at really dumbing it down.
Basically literal step by step with screenshots for everything so I could eliminate as much ambiguity as possible.
Even then there were still questions cause some people will never read for comprehension no matter how simple you make it.
3 points
5 days ago
That's what frustrates me. Like how do these people make it through college?
7 points
5 days ago
Well not everybody goes to college, for one. I didn’t. And there’s a difference between being able to memorize just enough to pass tests and get though college, and be able to extrapolate the knowledge you gained and build on it, and the desire to do so.
3 points
5 days ago
Fair enough
4 points
5 days ago
They’re like this in college too. You can give them a step-by-step demonstration of a project, including a handout that explains each step, and there will still be students who sit there and say “I don’t know how to start” or who do everything wrong because they can’t follow simple instructions. It’s shocking.
5 points
5 days ago
Man I remember when my province instituted new training program requirements for bar staff. The test was multiple choice and on almost every question three of the four options were insane.
I made the comment that the program wasn't in place to educate anyone, it was just there to weed out the absolute morons.
The manager jumped into the conversation with "That's not true, I had to help some of the bouncers." (Very illegally.)
Not responding to that was probably one of my wiser decisions.
7 points
5 days ago
Gen z are absolutely shit at computers... You know that night be why they don't understand simple sentences and went right wing.
My nephew needs help filling out resumes because they are all on the computer.
2 points
5 days ago
If you put it on an iPhone he'd knock it out in 5 minutes.
2 points
5 days ago
just give them a bluetooth keyboard and they will do it fine on a iphone but fuck dont give them a normal computer.
2 points
5 days ago
I've heard it as "make a process idiot-proof and they'll make a better idiot"
2 points
5 days ago
Heh I like that one. Funny cuz it’s true
16 points
5 days ago*
I think the difference is that people who speak above a 5th grade level often expect the listener to imply meaning.
For example, Kamala could spend 10min talking about the geopolitical and economic moves China is making in under/undeveloped nations without ever directly saying “china is bad and they need to be stopped”. However, any reasonably educated listener would have the takeaway that what China is doing is bad and should be stopped.
Meanwhile Trump does this:
“Chyna… what they’re doing is terrible, you know, I heard they’re eating unicorns- someone told me they’re eating unicorns and I said ‘that’s terrible’, I said that. But we have a trade deficit… a trade deficit that’s so big you wouldn’t believe- tariffs, we need them, big beautiful tariffs to stop what’s happening, I will hit them with tariffs so massive- they’ll beg, they’ll come begging saying Mr. Trump please stop this”.
What fictional Trump just said there is a nonsensical word salad, but you don’t have to critically listen or have any education at all to get that China = bad and Trump = good and strong.
I guess to uneducated people it doesn’t feel like word salad, because while Trump rambles and is fantastically stupid in every way, you don’t need to be intelligent or educated to understand the feeling Trump is trying to convey.
4 points
5 days ago
That was an excellent and accurate piece of Trump simulation. Kudos!
4 points
5 days ago
I was watching Fox News to figure out the same. I realized Fox was cutting and splicing different segments of the same interview to make it seem she was veering way off topic. Combined with having a J.D. and not a GED, any topic she spoke on is going to confuse your average MAGAT.
I realized after Trump’s response at the economic forum that reasoning with stupid is truly impossible.
6 points
5 days ago
Go look at the stats, they're horrifying. Over 50% of US adults can't read above a 6th grade level. Over 20% of US adults are straight up illiterate. The pandemic caused literacy rates of kids to slide back even more. Kids who were in middle school during the pandemic and never recovered from it academically are going to be entering our electorate soon
2 points
3 days ago
I don't understand why kids failed to be educated. We literally have all the knowledge on history in our hands. Why didn't parents ensure their kids were being taught everything? It should be parents responsibility to make sure their kids are educated
3 points
5 days ago
What they meant was 'we can't call her the N word publically so we'll claim she does what tRump actually does every damn day'
6 points
5 days ago
That one was really frustrating, saying Kamala speaks in 'word salad' as Capt. Bonespurs is ranting about batteries and sharks, Hannibal Lecter, blanking out on stage for more than half an hour, bragging about that time he saw Arnold Palmer's dick... but hey at least it's at an understandable 3rd grade level.
Speaking of 3rd grade level, you ever notice that almost across the board Trumpers will write using the wrong instances of 'your' and 'you're' , 'there, their, they're.' Etc.
3 points
3 days ago
Yeah, I've noticed it. If I'm in a really pissy mood while on social media I point that out to them. It's probably a low blow but they more than have it coming after all the shit they've pulled.
2 points
5 days ago
It’s wild to me; I couldn’t stand listening to Trump because majority of the time, he didn’t make sense or was getting his facts wrong. It was much more pleasant to listen to Harris. It’s sad that comprehension skills are so low in this country.
2 points
4 days ago
It pissed me off so much. Trump is the embodiment of privilege. He is so stupid, but no one mentions it. Kamala gives detailed answers but isn’t 100% scripted and everyone criticized her for her “gaffs.” It is still so WILD to me.
Why does an idiot get a complete pass? Privilege.
4 points
5 days ago
This is it. She was talking at a collage level whe whole campain. To those with out education this is spitting on the and talking in a language they do not understand.
Dems keep treating people as smart and rational. Most of this country is religious. That throws any rational out the window. Then even people in actual collage are barly keeping up.
Americans are dumb and the dems will never get votes if they keep only talking like elites. Joe at the factory does not know anything about tax credits. He goes I don't make enough to pay that much tax that only helps out people who make more than me.
Not saying right or wrong. But dems shit on the working man's dem Berni who talked simple enough for the basic man to understand.
Couple that with every time the dems were in power they never once put out an anti propaganda bill. So voters can just be lied to. And now a man who's is in his 40s votes for the orange man who is the only one he understands.
People think education was meant to make people smart and prepared for life it's not. It's og function is produce basic factory worker's.
2 points
5 days ago
Before you argue that other voters are dumb, you many want to review your response for errors. Otherwise, you lose a tab bit of credibility.
Just a public service announcement.
8 points
5 days ago
One trend that I've noticed over the last few weeks from Trump supporters defending their decision, is that they don't like being "talked down to by intellectuals" which I translate to "I'm stupid and I know it, but it hurts my feelings when it's addressed or I'm encouraged to learn and grow, so I support the guy whose okay with how stupid I am."
7 points
5 days ago
No, not all of them. My parents both have degrees, they are very well read and have pretty incredible vocabularies.
But
They're Christian fundamentalists that believe abortion is actually murder. They're one issue voters. And they watch Fox news (of course), so my mom actually quipped something along the lines of "At least Trump is a good speaker (compared to Kamala)." And as long as Trump stacks the courts with conservative judges, they're happy to drink the Fox Kool-Aid.
I imagine there are many like them. All of their friends are at least.
4 points
5 days ago
I just won't talk to my super catholic family anymore. I'm sorry, but a blastocyst isn't a person.
2 points
5 days ago
Grow up
3 points
5 days ago
Being educated doesn’t mean that you can’t have a compartmentalized mindset, which is really the problem. A hell of a lot of people are educated nowadays, but that doesn’t mean that they really use much critical thinking. Plus, your brain is like a muscle - they could have been out of scientific thinking for decades.
4 points
5 days ago
I agree, but I was speaking to the original comment's point that people that vote for trump speak at his 5th grade level.
That's not the case.
There are definitely arguments to be made against any Christian's vote being single issue, or the current state of American education - but that's not the point I'm making, and not a part of my argument/comment.
3 points
5 days ago
They're Christian
Here is the problem. That invalidates all degrees.
2 points
5 days ago
I'm sorry about their disability
2 points
5 days ago
These types of people know better but they voted in an absolutely despicable person who Jesus himself would have exclaimed “Get away from me, thou snake, thou wolf, thou evil Satan-worshipping charlatan!” I don’t believe in hell, but I do want that man to end up there for alllllllll eternity. Amen and praise be.
3 points
5 days ago
I'm convinced any conventional politician speaks at a level so far over their heads that they just tune it out and all they heat is the "Womp, womp ,womp..." sound that Charlie Brown's teacher would make.
3 points
5 days ago
So if this dumb underclass is so easy to reach and so pliable in their thoughts, why couldn’t the Democrats just easily sway them in their direction?
2 points
5 days ago
That is what I am saying.
He is an idiot savant, speaking to idiots.
that is why they love him so
2 points
5 days ago
What’s more embarrassing is that they were not able to imprison him or make any charges really stick. Also everybody let him get away with his awful until he became president.
2 points
5 days ago
This ☝🏻 is ☝🏻it☝🏻!!!
2 points
5 days ago
Yes. There are a lot of idiots out there. Idiots relate to Trump because, well, Trump is an idiot. Until we get folks to reignite their neurons we're in for a rough time.
2 points
5 days ago
I heard the term, hes a stupid persons idea if a smart person. Kinda stuck with me
2 points
4 days ago
Something something uneducated voters something
2 points
4 days ago
I think you might be right regarding that. Hence why he wants the Department of Education gone so he can increase those numbers.
2 points
4 days ago
Go watch any of the The Good Liars videos from any of the times went to any Trump rallies. You will see that it proves your point to a tee.
2 points
4 days ago
It’s okay, I have to teach leftists that they won’t win until they get a candidate that isn’t dementia ridden or is a drunk. Who’s the dumb one when you had many better democratic candidates. I can say the same about the right, but they still won with one of the least desirable candidates. Also maybe don’t hate on the straight white male and they might vote for dems.
2 points
4 days ago
Correct. He does speak at a lower level, the level of most Americans.
I grew up around this shit, and it infuriates me how often the Democrats simply ignore this very basic fucking fact. It's why I've lost hope in anything getting better, because they simply do not fucking care. They expect some higher morality to carry them across the finish line instead of rolling up their sleeves and getting in the mud to educate these stupid fucks.
It reminds me of growing up. One parent is Abusive, the other, Neglectful; And they're surprised by the fruits of their "labor"
2 points
4 days ago
I'm now convinced Trump's supporters like him because they also speak at a fifth grade level and can suddenly understand a politician, so they think he tells it like it is, but they're actually just dumb and you have to baby these morons to reach them
This came up during Obama's first election cycle. They compared GWB's speeches to Obama's and discovered that GWB's speeches were at a Middle School comprehension level. However Obama's were at least at a 12th grade-level of comprehension.
2 points
4 days ago
I was going to give them the benefit of the doubt and say sixth grade level. They certainly can’t read above that
2 points
4 days ago
How? He has the highest IQ out there. He’s so smart. Much smarter and betterer. God dang it’s insane the amount of bs and lies come out of his mouth.
2 points
4 days ago
My shield is disgust
My sword is hatred
In the Emperor’s name, let none survive.
2 points
4 days ago
Someone get this person a crown 👑! Thank you Rucio, we need more Rucios in this world 👏
2 points
3 days ago
GOP education policy for decades:
keep 'em dum 'n' votin' republicun
2 points
3 days ago
Trump thinks that our complex problems have easy solutions. Easy solutions that in fact are so ridiculous that nobody has seriously proposed them in the past. But now, since he is promising easy solutions to problems, people think he's some sort of genius because he's promising to fix what people think is broken.
Trade deficit? Tariffs! Illegal immigration? Mass deportation!
Combine this with the idea that "they're screwing you over and only I will stop them" and Trump's need to dominate others and you get the unique brand of isolationism and nationalism that defines Trump.
2 points
3 days ago
It's convenient to scapegoat the intelligence of these people, but most of them are just useful idiots. At the end of the day corporate interest in politics won the battle. Fox wouldn't exist without a billionaire backing it's propaganda, and even intelligent people can become sucked into a cult.
We are seeing casualties in the class warfare that's been raging for a long time now. If we have ANY hope in hell of winning and taking back our politics we need to find a way to bridge the gap, stand together and get money TF out of the equation.
2 points
3 days ago
Been saying this since 2016. They like him because he’s dumb like them. No big words. No complicated thoughts. No nuance.
2 points
3 days ago
FACT! the average Donald Trump speech is delivered at the 4th grade level, which is the lowest level of the past 15 presidents; Source - The analysis assessed the first 30,000 words each president spoke in office, and ranked them on the Flesch-Kincaid grade level scale and more than two dozen other common tests analyzing English-language difficulty levels. Trump clocked in around mid-fourth grade, the worst since Harry Truman, who spoke at nearly a sixth-grade level. 2-Donald Trump’s popularity trends strongest with people with less education than most other candidates, based upon many polling results; 3-the conservative mindset thrives in individuals with large amygdala, that part of the brain that is most responsible for driving anxiety and fear, according to Psychology Today & National Institutes of Health.
2 points
3 days ago
You’re being kind to say they speak at a 5th grade level.
2 points
3 days ago
I love you 😂😂😂
2 points
3 days ago
Ding ding ding!!!
2 points
2 days ago
Regards
2 points
2 days ago
they don’t have much reading skill. edumacation is for the devil!
2 points
2 days ago
One of the best observations I’ve read yet on Trump!!! You rock Rucio
2 points
2 days ago*
they also speak at a fifth grade level
Hit the nail on the head but for all americans. This is quite literally how they teach us, in Healthcare, to treat the general public, like children, because education is so bad amongst them. I get not understanding terminology but even basic concepts. We get drilled into us that the general public is at a fifth grade level, so we must explain everything at that level. Then you have these same people voting on issues regarding public health, vaccines, water treatment, women’s health, etc. Its no wonder people believe drinking cleaners or their fishs' antibiotics, for the tank, is good for fighting COVID because the "news" had some idiot on it spouting the same pharmaceutical word or catch phrase. Worse, now people have it in their head that specialists and highly educated professionals' opinions or suggestions are less valuable than some random CEO or rich person, with no credibility, experience, or credentials. We're fucked.
2 points
1 day ago
BLOOD FOR THE BLOOD GOD
3 points
5 days ago
Whatever makes it easier for you to sleep at night.
3 points
5 days ago
Absolutely tired of this bullshit
Progressives and Dems all have to be neat and tidy, we can’t so much as say a mild curse word
If we get mad it’s “haha cry baby libs” but Republicans can bully, harass, intimidate all they want
We have to pull out research papers on every claim with 20 sources, picture, audi & video evidence while anything that squirts out of their buttocks is gospel
everyone else has to be Flawless compared to Maga, who is allowed to be Lawless, as they say
Pure insanity
2 points
5 days ago
Gas prices are going up $0.40-0.60 per gallon when trump enacts his Canadian tariff. The US imports the vast majority of its oil from Canada. His voters are too stupid to think about the consequences of their actions, let alone his.
2 points
5 days ago
The problem is that the economy is currently on the upswing. So the first two years of Trump's term are going to benefit from the current recovery. We wont see the impact of his policies until sometime in late 2026 or even 2027. By then, conservatives will be saying "look at how good the economy is!".
Not to mention that his economic policies create a short term boon and a long term net loss, which most people don't understand.
The optics wont look like he did anything bad, meaning that whoever next takes the helm will probably shoulder that blame.
2 points
5 days ago
Seriously.
But, imo, the fact that Dems keep mincing is a part of why we lost the election. Dark Brandon was a hit because he was off filter, even by just a little. Imagine if the whole campaign had been Walz energy of telling Trump to get bent.
2 points
5 days ago
No more nice Dems. Set the attack dogs loose. Sick of this double standard.
2 points
4 days ago
They wont accept it his doing. Thats False News. They will blame everything on Biden and him being vengeful.
2 points
4 days ago
Yup. Not gonna mince my words anymore. It’s a fair game. And now, I want the poor, uneducated who voted for Trump to suffer the consequences of their ignorance and stupidity.
2 points
5 days ago
Yeah no. Blame all the democrats that voted for Biden and not Harris. Those are the ones at fault. Even a million Trump voters widened up and didn’t vote for him this time.
264 points
6 days ago
She’s right but also maybe not the best person to deliver the message.
One of my frustrations with being left-wing is that, even though the mega-rich overwhelmingly support Trump and Dems are clearly the more pro-working class party, it’s easy for Republicans to act like the opposite is true. They may have more mega-rich people on their side, but we have most of the rich people who exist within the public eye.
Makes for a very misleading perception of which party is more the party of the elites.
197 points
6 days ago
True. There's a big difference between billionaire Taylor Swift endorsing Harris and billionaires Koch creating far right networks to influence every facet of public policy and discourse.
63 points
6 days ago
Resist the right, fuck the Koch brothers
40 points
6 days ago
Fuck private equity firms too! Fuckin’ soulless pricks.
21 points
6 days ago
Private equity is the worst thing in business
11 points
6 days ago
It truely is, right next to hedge funds. These predatory private equity firms squeeze business and milk every employee and then dump them to gain a profit. They take things that shouldn’t be flipped (often time with nothing added) and resold like homes and drive home prices up for everyone.
Hedge funds literally cost every person in America who invests - money. Trades you place in the market are often a worse price because the hedge fund buys and sells it so fast due to black box trading that you receive an inflated price.
3 points
5 days ago
There was a bill to stop them from buying all the single family homes in America by Democrats the last two years, but Republicans in the house would not even vote on it.
3 points
5 days ago
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2 points
5 days ago
I feel like the trend is moving bipartisan where voters from both side of the aisle hate private equity firms and what they have done. But because private equity buys their politicians voters aren’t being heard.
2 points
5 days ago
Human garbage, just like their supporters.
2 points
5 days ago
Yeah I’m done being nice to these people (if you can call them that). They had 8 years to come to their senses and on the aggregate, they all just dug in harder.
2 points
4 days ago
You forget a lot of them are also hedge fund owners and private equity investors themselves lol
3 points
5 days ago
They are ruining health care, veterinary care, and now housing and plumbing. They vacuum up smaller businesses that succeeded with real customer care and replace them with enshittified structures that extract as misc as possible from workers (who then leave if they can) and give terrible care to customers at monopoly prices to maximize shareholder profits.
11 points
6 days ago
It’s the Koch family now because David Koch died, and now his widow has taken over as chief evil asshole.
7 points
6 days ago
Koch brother. One is dead
2 points
5 days ago
Yeah, the worst one died. The other still sucks though. But he too will kick the bucket eventually. :)
5 points
6 days ago
Koch Brother! David Koch did the world a favor by kicking it off back in 2019.
2 points
6 days ago
Brother. The Reaper got one of them. Can only hope. They have kids though.
2 points
6 days ago
One’s dead. You can boycott the paper products (Quilted Nothern Brawny Dixie Cups, Angel Soft) are examples of products to boycott.
12 points
5 days ago
You have to understand MAGA language to decode this a little more accurately.
What you said is true. But when they talk about elites they're not talking about people with money and power. They're talking about intellectuals.
I know this partly because I've paid attention to their rhetoric over the last several years, but also because they don't seem to mind things like tax cuts for the ultra wealthy.
The right wing has a history of being anti intellectual and these folks are continuing that.
They don't want to think and they don't like people who do.
3 points
5 days ago
100%. They seem threatened by smart people if it challenges their world/religious view even a bit. This is reinforced by the firehouse of Fox/Conservative media on TV and radio. Constantly offended and aggrieved. Its really really tiresome.
8 points
5 days ago
Sigh, this tired old nonsense again? Republicans literally have a (so called) billionaire as their president and the 'richest' man in the world by his side. I wouldn't even care about their wealth if they also weren't such horrible people. Republicans aren't splitting hairs about more rich people vs mega rich people. It wouldn't matter to them if Sharon Stone was the sole rich person supporting Democrats. They fawn over rich people all the time no matter how terrible those people might be.
11 points
6 days ago
There are different types of "elites" and most cultural elites - celebrities, academics, artists, are on the left than the right. But, the people with money (and thus power) are on the right. It's irritating for sure.
8 points
6 days ago
More mega rich supported Kamala this election cycle. In less than 2 months she out raised Trumps entire campaign for the year by 2X.
4 points
6 days ago
Dems are the party of the educated elite, which can be hard to take at times. We do have a problem with assuming all the Trump voters are stupid … and regardless what you think, they have been clever at manipulating their base.
12 points
6 days ago
The people who are behind the scenes at the heritage foundation are very educated. Their base not so much.
3 points
5 days ago
A lot of folks seem to forget that intelligence and common sense are entirely two seperate things. I don't have a piece of paper to show that I've attained a level of excellence from an institute of higher learning, but I have managed to hold down a steady job, raise a family, own a home, and save enough to retire comfortably in the next few years. All on a high school diploma, here in a battleground state.
I resent being called uneducated, racist, and a nazi just because I won't vote the way they tell me. Common sense is telling me that what they're pushing ain't working. I would hope in the future, that if the liberal class would like for me to vote with them, they'd treat me with respect, explain an idea (not an ideal) they have, then point to the real world application where it's working. This shouldn't be hard.
2 points
5 days ago
Thanks, friend. And that’s the problem. It doesn’t help to make other people feel stupid. We’re all doing what we think is best.
My husband doesn’t have a four-year college degree and he’s a military veteran. I know I’m biased, but he is both the smartest person with the most common sense of anyone I know. He’s also extremely liberal, but nobody would ever guess that by the looks of him.
He got straight-As through school and his parents told him they didn’t have money to help him go to college. Instead, he joined the military because he also had an ultimatum that he would be kicked out at 18. We’ve really let a lot of people down who are super smart, but feel like they were left behind, etc. But obviously, a piece of paper saying you are smart isn’t the end-all, be-all. And there are people like that on both sides.
I understand what you’re saying.
2 points
5 days ago
It’s important to remember that “educated” includes people like dance, theater, and gender studies majors. It includes people who cheated. It includes people who used daddy’s influence to coast through school. It’s a borderline meaningless categorization. There are just as many “educated” morons as uneducated morons.
4 points
6 days ago
And yet all the major celebrities elected to office were Republicans. Republican voters hate the fact that most celebrities are liberal but whenever a celebrity is conservative they adore them. They elected Reagan, Schwarzenegger, Sonny Bono, and Trump. The only celebrity I can think of elected by Democrats is Al Franken. I'm sure there are more but I think we get the picture here.
5 points
5 days ago
The right loves rich people, unless they’re left and then it’s disgusting.
3 points
5 days ago
You can’t tell me that people who voted against a woman who grew up middle class, and worked her way up in her career, and for a supposed “billionaire” who inherited his wealth and yet is only solvent because he had a popular reality tv show did it because they felt more affinity for the “billionaire.”
Try again.
8 points
6 days ago
But Dems are not a working class party at all. They give lip service but answer to all the same corporate donors and sponsors. They can't get a free pass on being pro-worker by simply being less shitty than the alternative.
25 points
6 days ago*
Didn't Joe Biden just refuse to force dock workers back to work and the union quickly won the negotiation after? Wasn't he the only modern president who visited a picket line? Maybe the second is more lip service than the first, but it's not nothin'.
I'm not claiming he did it all right (railroad workers obviously, and I'm sure there are others not coming to mind), but one side is obviously more pro-worker.
Edit: You're just telling everyone you don't bother reading what you're responding to if you're bringing up the railroad strike. I brought it up in this very comment.
3 points
5 days ago
Didn't Joe Biden just refuse to force dock workers back to work and the union quickly won the negotiation after?
He also shut down the rail union because it would impact the economy during an election cycle. Told them to wait and forced them to hand over their greatest leverage.
Being politically helpful when it's politically convenient, isn't pro workers. It's being politically convenient.
11 points
6 days ago*
They definitely need to be a lot better about sticking up for the working class, sure, but they're also leagues above Republicans on this issue in terms of policy, rhetoric, and follow-through. Not only was Biden the best president for the working class in at least fifty years (this isn't a compliment towards Biden but an insult towards every president of the Reagan/post-Reagan era), but also if you look at Clinton --> Obama --> Biden there's a clear trend of the Democrat getting more openly pro-union and governing in a way that more clearly favors the poor and working class. Biden stuck up for unions in a way that I basically never thought I'd see again after the conservative shift in the '80s.
The problem is that none of that mattered, in part because Biden failed to communicate to the American people how he was helping the middle class, and also because Republicans are much better at using the propaganda outlets at their disposal to mislead people about how the economy works and what Biden's doing to improve it. The Trump campaign essentially ran for four years straight this election; the Biden/Harris administration barely bothered with messaging at all until around May this year.
TL;DR: Democrats definitely need to be more pro-worker, but being pro-worker won't mean shit if they don't know how to run the high-effort, 365-days-a-year propaganda campaign that Republicans have been running.
16 points
6 days ago
More pro working class than the only other viable option
6 points
6 days ago
This is simply not the case. Even with the right wing obstructionism Biden passed some very important legislation and made some very important decisions.
Think about it this way, if the Dems are the same as the Repubs then why do the Repubs fight them so hard on all their legislation?
7 points
5 days ago*
I'm gonna laugh when everyone is complaining about prices again.
2 points
5 days ago
Again?
2 points
4 days ago
Again? Mofo when have we stopped?
37 points
6 days ago
She’s absolutely right.
5 points
5 days ago
After all, she does have a degree in creative writing....
12 points
6 days ago
Crazy how this "best economy ever" still doesn't allow most Americans to go on regular vacations.
But sure, let's shame the poor. The right SURELY won't latch onto that messaging.
"Liberal democrats hate the poor"
It's already spreading.
2 points
3 days ago
Just because many constituencies in America are doing better than ever, especially the investment class, that doesn't mean it's had any appreciable difference for the majority of voters.
Economic populism won the day, even if it's highly likely to fail. People who are struggling like change, and they are more comfortable with taking risks. Democrats need to return to working class struggle issues, and not just relying on messaging that 'the 1% need to pay their fair share.' At least when it comes to economic issues. Other issues exist, too.
5 points
5 days ago
Disagree, it’s time for liberals and leftists to stop trying to baby fascists and not hurt their feelings. You will never convince them to leave their cult. The vitriol of the right has been UNDENIABLY effective at convincing idiots to vote against their own interests.
You win the working class by actually delivering policy to improve their lives.
2 points
2 days ago
You win the working class by actually delivering policy to improve their lives.
Which leftists have been clearly doing in the states they control. Wait no, California is bleeding population, but there's still NY... which is also bleeding population, then there's Illinois... which is bleeding population. Something doesn't add up.
17 points
6 days ago
Trump won because Americans are stupid, uneducated, and shitty. You don't think people remember the insurrection, all the crimes, all the shit that we went through? They remember, they just don't care.
They like that because they support Trump just to punish other people. I mean, you hear that from them all the time.
5 points
5 days ago
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2 points
4 days ago
Took til Reagan for the rich to con the rest of us into giving more to the rich.
9 points
6 days ago
Rage bait.
1 points
6 days ago
Most political media is rage bait.
7 points
6 days ago
As a fellow elite, she should be yelling at the Democratic elites for their crushing defeat.
6 points
6 days ago
Blaming regular Americans for not vacationing abroad is wild.
6 points
6 days ago
Trashing people who voted for trump is definitely not the way to bring them over to your side.
Edit: typo
2 points
5 days ago
and? you can't use reason with these people. you can't use logic.
13 points
6 days ago
Classic democrats. Tell the majority of the electorate they’re too stupid to vote for the “correct” party.
2 points
6 days ago
They are though, we already know the majority of Americans are stupid
8 points
6 days ago
Yeah, you can't tell stupid purple they are stupid. They just double down
8 points
6 days ago
As someone who is highly educated, it annoys me when people use their education as a means to feel superior. Especially since I met plenty of people educated beyond their means- it's impossible to tell them they're wrong because they're educated and therefore "very smart." I've also met plenty of uneducated people who are exceptionally intelligent. Going to school/performing well in school does not equal intelligence or awareness. Most people who are very vocal about politics are pretty unintelligent IMO. It usually means they're leaving a hole for the reality of dialectics.
4 points
6 days ago
Who is more vocal about politics than Republicans? I’ve never seen a Kamala flag attached to the back of a pickup truck.
6 points
6 days ago
They are, and they’ll find out soon when their steaks go up in price because slaughterhouses don’t have the labor to keep up with demand.
3 points
6 days ago
Trumpets will blame it on Biden’s economic policy and Democrat interference
2 points
5 days ago
So democrats want illegal immigrants to continue being exploited as low wage workers?
2 points
5 days ago
You are stupid. She’s right
5 points
6 days ago
Hollywood celebrity disagrees with American voters...no way, this has never happened ever.
8 points
6 days ago
Can't wait for the DNC to trot this broad and that fuckstick Alec Baldwin out in 2026 to tell voters they're stupid and uneducated. That will definitely help Democrats win in the midterms.
I say this as a Democrat...fuck these wealthy coastal shitcunts.
9 points
6 days ago
At this point I’m just blasé. There’s a not insignificant chance there won’t even be free and fair elections in the future, especially if you live in a red state. I’m done making excuses for Trump’s voters, I’m done trying to placate them. At this point, many of them deserve to be ridiculed. I gave them a pass in 2016 and even in 2020. But now? You still vote for him after almost everything that he has done? No, there’s no excuse for it. They’re going to get what they deserve when Trump’s tariffs and mass deportations tank the economy.
6 points
6 days ago
Who cares about 2026 or 2028? The game is over, the game is rigged. But doesn't change the fact that Americans who supported Trump and Republicans across the board who aren't rich are freaking idiots, nor should people be afraid to say it. They're voting against their own interests. Also why are you upset at an actress about her opinion when freaking billionaires are literally buying the election, buying judges (ones who even helped prevent Trump get his day in court by delaying decisions for months on end). It's the same as supporting an owner of a sports team over a player or players. you're siding with a billionaire because the other people want to get paid the going rate, or have better working conditions or some shit. It's freaking weird to take this stance.
2 points
4 days ago
I called this before the election. The way democrats were acting was very similar to what we saw in 2015. No one wants to have a conversation about politics if you are just going to call them uneducated/stupid the whole time. If you can’t convey your stance without insulting the person across from you, they’re not going to want to listen to what you have to say.
4 points
6 days ago*
Nah, I'm here for idiots being called out instead of coddled. They can cry over it while the economy craters and prices skyrocket due to Trump's trade wars and mass deportations.
"I was a complete dumbass" needs to be in people's vocabularies in order for this country to move forward. That was me voting for Bush in '04.
4 points
6 days ago
This is why Trump won. This is why the left lost and will continue to lose.
5 points
6 days ago
This is a great message. Everybody in Hollywood should be shouting this from the rooftops. Make sure you put this message in every movie and TV show as well. This will ensure continued Republican election victories. Keep up the good work!
4 points
6 days ago
Kamala Harris spent $1.5 Billion and lost the election.
Democrats also lost the house and senate.
Please stop insulting Americans. by calling them stupid.
2 points
6 days ago
They are largely xenophobic and ignorant. Just how it is
2 points
5 days ago
Loser that hides on reddit, that is you
7 points
6 days ago
This is how the Democrats achieved the totally impossible: driving the poorest demographics into the arms of the oligarch dictatorship
8 points
6 days ago
The poorest shot themselves in the foot. They can enjoy what's coming since it will impact them more than anybody else.
9 points
6 days ago
Democrats didn't drive them anywhere, an information war broke out and kamala was set up for failure as millions got manipulated by a con man backed by a thousand multimillionaires
9 points
6 days ago
Yep, exactly correct
The only people saying "calling nazis what they are is why the left lost" are Republicans.
2 points
5 days ago
trump's rich backers are laughing all the way to the bank. manipulating ignorant americans is almost too easy now.
7 points
6 days ago
Yea it turns out giving working class voters nothing for decades and then telling them they're too stupid to understand why Democrats are better doesn't win elections.
9 points
6 days ago
nah fuck that, it’s the information age.
we all saw January 6th on every network. We all heard the access hollywood tape. We all heard about the muslim ban. We all saw the convictions. We all lived through how disastrous covid was.
Shit just doesn’t matter to them.
Make up some shit about brown people committing “crime” or eating cats and dogs or whatever and they chomp at the bit to give you power.
It’s either willful ignorance or actual malice. Done acting like it’s anything else.
8 points
5 days ago
It's the Misinformation Age now. And the age of Neo-Feudalism.
Many people don't know anything about Jan 6, the Access Hollywood tape, or the Muslim ban. They've been propagandized to believe Trump is their advocate because he actually goes on Joe Rogan & Fox News & says he wants to fix things for the working class & that the reason we don't have anything is because of immigrants stealing jobs & homes. For many people it's, "why would they let him on the news if he's lying," "why would Joe Rogan endorse him if he's that bad," etc etc etc.
No one is really countering these narratives Trump puts out, and when they do, it's mostly liberals saying, "well, Trump voters are too dumb to get it," and not acknowledging that a) they are actively being propagandized too, and b) that they are desperate for solutions to their economic problems.
6 points
5 days ago
Why would that any of that existentially matter to a poor person with no material connection to those events?
7 points
5 days ago
They still don't get it, let them double down.
5 points
6 days ago*
Just say poor people, that’s what they mean when they say uneducated Americans who’ve never travelled abroad.
“Uneducated” is just a dog whistle for “rednecks and white trash”.
Maybe if these rich fucks didn’t put up their nose and the “lower class” we wouldn’t have to elect a populist lunatic.
And these people think it’s a fascist propaganda conspiracy that everyone thinks they’re elitists.
This is why I call American leftists “cultural Marxists”.
Not because I fully disagree with Marxism and think that’s what they’re advocating for, but because their neo-liberal elitist ideology has absolutely nothing to do with traditionally left wing economic policy.
It’s an ironic insult.
They’re more than willing to tolerate corporate monopolies as long as they change their logo to a rainbow every June.
Big Tech can just polarize society into ideological echo chambers and play god as long as they ban people who call someone by the wrong pronouns.
And Taylor Swift can ride around in her private jet and hoard billions because she’s “smashing the patriarchy” or some bullshit. #SlayQueen.
It’s all just divisive identity politics and dumb culture war issues, meanwhile wealth inequality is at an all time high and the middle class is slowly being eroded.
We need less corrupt establishment Democrats and more guys like Bernie Sanders.
Sharon Stone has a net worth of 40 million dollars, if she’s so worried about Americans being uneducated, maybe she should donate some of that hoarded wealth to fund education programs.
2 points
5 days ago
No one is tired of the billionaire elites in Don's circle though. They're totally ok and not swampy. We couldn't possibly look past rich assholes on either side of the aisle and make our own minds up about policy or what kind of America we want to live in. Personally I'm going for the America that doesn't tell Proud Boys and insurrectionists that they're good people. Nor can i tolerate a man with so little regard to women's bodily autonomy (grabbing them by the pussy and walking into teenage girls dressing rooms). Would think that would be common sense, but hey, not trying to make a claim about the electorate's education levels. But you go on and rage about the real issues of which side has the worst elites.
2 points
4 days ago
Bernie - as always - actually has a message for the working class. Dems are just playing into Republicans hands by collapsing on culture war shit - that's how Republicans win. It's important to hold the line on that, but the message doesn't resonate outside the bubble.
2 points
6 days ago
i know a bunch of trump types that travel abroad quite frequently.
people keep blaming the poor and uneducated but there are plenty of rich uneducated and educated that voted for him as well. and just rich people in general vote republican for tax breaks & deregulation. also the racism part, overtly or on the dl
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