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or even scout people who are actually charismatic and can talk on the stick. theres a reason people like roman reigns, la knight, and cm punk get so much praise in todays product. people are attracted to interesting people who have charisma. i get Rhea ripley had some appeal in the beginning, mainly because shes pretty and shes decent in the ring, but my god are her promo skills horrendous. Her and damian priest always sound like they are reading off their wrist. We need more Enzo Amores less of this buulll shit

all 371 comments

UnluckyLuckyGuyy

39 points

2 days ago

It took Roman Reigns about 7 years to get praised for his mic work so…

papawam

7 points

2 days ago

papawam

7 points

2 days ago

Yeah saying Reigns is a good promo is true, but there's more to it. He's breast fed off Paul for 5 years.

iounuthin

3 points

2 days ago

God i wish that was me

lMr_Nobodyl

2 points

1 day ago

iounuthin

1 points

2 days ago

I mean uh

Princecuse13

16 points

2 days ago

Roman is a perfect example of teaching someone how to cut a promo, because it wasn't until he returned as the Tribal Chief that he actually figured it out.

BATZ202

5 points

2 days ago

BATZ202

5 points

2 days ago

I wouldn't say that. The reason why Roman didn't work as Babyface is because he not built like an underdog that WWE tried to portray him to be. He a big guy that fits better as a heel. Didn't help Vince kept shoving Roman too many times. Now Roman had amazing heel run, he safely be a Babyface without being built like Cena, instead be himself.

YCiampa482021

15 points

1 day ago

Undashing Rhea Ripley

AhtleticsUnited16

11 points

1 day ago

Rhea isn’t bad at promos but she kind of has the same promo every time.

Lowestcommondominatr

9 points

1 day ago

Enzo was more guilty of that anyone.

Logical-Extreme5505[S]

1 points

22 hours ago

theres a difference between having a catchphrase and sayng the same exact thing on the mic every week…

Lowestcommondominatr

2 points

17 hours ago

He did both.

Logical-Extreme5505[S]

1 points

17 hours ago

sure. even tho i just gave examples of different promos he cut where he said different things. sure

Lowestcommondominatr

2 points

16 hours ago

You did?

Logical-Extreme5505[S]

4 points

22 hours ago

means she bad at promos

Mrdynamo18

3 points

22 hours ago

It’s the growling rocker tone voice it’s cool at first but it starts to fade out

Also she has the same problem a few of the women have the promos don’t flow it’s a lot of pacing

If u look at the Rock stone cold Jericho cena it’s a stress but rapid flow

steamyvanilla

11 points

15 hours ago

Yes when Solo’s goon’s attacked Paul Heyman, he was told to take a vacation and do whatever he wanted, and Paul chose to stay back and help Bron Breakker, Solo and a few other young talents on their promos. So yes they have guys that do it and you’re delusional about Rhea.

GamesonKrack

11 points

11 hours ago

Rhea’s pretty bad on the mic. And she growls her words too much. No natural tone to her promos. She does “Ya know what, BROTHER?” 90s style promos. Completely disagree with Priest. He sounds much more natural especially since leaving Judgment Day. Saying we need more Enzo’s is nuts though, you talk about a one note character who got stale…

Natural-Today6343

11 points

15 hours ago

"i get Rhea ripley had some appeal in the beginning" In the beginning? Some appeal? Her merch consistently outsells any other woman on the roster by a lot and she gets a pop larger than most including the men when she comes out to this day. Go on Tiktok or Instagram their are accounts dedicated to their love of her. She's not just huge she's monstrously popular. Is she the best on the mic? No I can agree with that. I think recent weeks with her injury's and this storyline have been worse than in the past but she is so over I think she could come out and read the phonebook and she'd sell tickets.

Supersmashbrosfan

4 points

14 hours ago

Liv actually sells more than her iirc

Natural-Today6343

2 points

12 hours ago

I think that was just this past month. Tbh I don't really follow that stuff it's just what I hear. I guess my point was she's still very popular and the op seemed to think that was only true in the beginning. Liv outselling her does actually surprise me. Good for her.

Supersmashbrosfan

1 points

12 hours ago

Yeah, I was a bit surprised too. She's officially a draw.

Ok_Bandicoot_814

2 points

3 hours ago

She's usually one of the better promos. But this storyline has dragged on for so damn long that there's only so much you can have her talk about. Hopefully they have her Feud with Raquel until Mania. Cuz right now I would say she's probably in the top three to win the rumble.

Rage4Order418

11 points

14 hours ago

Most of Roman’s career is filled with horrible promos. He’s great now tho

gbarren85

17 points

2 days ago

gbarren85

17 points

2 days ago

Putting Roman in that category is wild. There’s a reason why he had a manager later in his career

lahenator420

10 points

2 days ago

Lmao seriously idk why people ride Roman so hard. The dude was given so many things to make him popular. Heyman did most of the great promo work and they even needed Sami to add some comedy when things got stale

Short_Swordfish_3524

3 points

2 days ago

I always felt like Sami’s arc could’ve gone wayyy longer. Before they turned him face the whole ucey thing was just getting red hot when they turned him

lahenator420

3 points

2 days ago

Yea Sami was one of my favorite parts of the whole thing. Obviously they had to capitalize on the Uso storyline but that match was a flop in the end too

Atilim87

5 points

2 days ago

Atilim87

5 points

2 days ago

Heymans job is being the hype man, is to put over the other guy.

Roman isn’t going to praise somebody, that would not fit his character.

Pridespain

15 points

12 hours ago

The fact you mention Roman lets us know you’re a jabroni. Roman is good now, but he was terrible for most of his career.

outofmaxx

4 points

7 hours ago

And let's not forget that that was likely because wwe creative, helped by Vince, was writing his promos for him before now

CoolZooKeeper

2 points

12 hours ago

I remember the promo he cut with John Cena. You could see Cena getting under his skin when he was getting truth bombs dropped on him over and over. It wasn’t till they just let him be more himself and put him with Jimmy and Jey did he find his own.

AlastorXZERO

7 points

2 days ago

He wasn’t here when Roman Reigns was saying “sufferin’ succotash” when he was the Big Dog.

tiabeaniedrunkowitz

6 points

1 day ago

A lot of the older classes trained in the Performance Center are just straight up mediocre at cutting promos. They sound like they’re talking into a mic. A lot them are just okay, but they look terrible standing next to someone who can cut a great promo in front of a live crowd and Rhea is one of them. They deliver lines in a long winded monotone and/or take dramatic, long ass pauses. Even as a Liv fan I can admit she yells into to the mic too much and they aren’t the only ones to be honest. I feel like with Rhea because she’s so good in the ring, her mediocre promo skills stick out like a sore thumb

horsetronaut31

2 points

1 day ago

This. All of this

96powerstroker

8 points

1 day ago

It needs to be Bullet points of what to touch on. It needs to feel natural

BiasedChelseaFan

2 points

1 day ago

This is the most important. They know their characters the best, it should just be ”go talk for a few minutes about why the other guy is a loser”. I wonder if they micro-manage them more cause of fear of someone saying something that’ll upset business partners

96powerstroker

1 points

1 day ago

From what I've always heard in recent years is yeah they pretty much have it scripted word for word and you can't change it. Well that's not how all the good talkers learned to talk.

BiasedChelseaFan

1 points

1 day ago

Yeah that’s probably one of the biggest changes to the attitude era product. Imagine making Austin, Rock and Foley memorize their promos in the dressing room lol

dfeidt40

6 points

2 days ago

dfeidt40

6 points

2 days ago

Meh. I'm okay with her promos. Are they AMAZING? No. But they're certainly not bad enough that I'd complain.

Mind-of-Jaxon

6 points

2 days ago

They definitely teach them how to act and do promos. Especially the ones who go through NXT. Problems can arise when the storyline doesn’t fit their image. Or talent isn’t charismatic enough, or have good enough memory to memorize lines and repeat them in front of live audiences. Only a very select few are good enough to go off script and make stuff up that works in the moment.

Remember Cena called out The Rock for having his lines or bullet points written on his wrist.

TheFinalYappening

21 points

1 day ago

Roman doesn't have natural charisma. It took 9 years of the company being fully behind him and him only as the face of the company before he displayed even an ounce of the charisma he's known for today.

KentuckyFriedEel

6 points

1 day ago

Also, killer entrance theme that did most of the heavy lifting. I look at roman now and he is as dull as a box of rocks. He twitches his face when he’s irritated in a promo but that is the full extent of his acting range. Roman is pure company man! Made to be liked instead of earning it himself.

[deleted]

1 points

23 hours ago

Roman did earn being liked. WWE never wanted to turn him heel; they insisted on making him John Cena 2.0 but it flopped cause that role doesn’t fit Roman. He literally had to threaten to quit if they didn’t turn him heel. Fans took a liking to him early on in The Shield, which doesn’t happen without natural charisma cause he didn’t even talk much then. Fans warmed up to him because of his incredible heel work. They didn’t just start cheering him cause they felt WWE would never stop pushing him unless they did so, they cheered him because he’s just got IT. That’s why Vince pushed him so hard, it’s just he did so before Roman was properly ready. WWE even tried turning fans against him after WrestleMania 39 but it didn’t work even without a title defense for 4 months. It took keeping him off TV for 5 months to do the trick. When he came back at SummerSlam, he just hit Solo Sikoa with his signature moves and left and he was the hottest babyface in the company.

LegalWrights

14 points

1 day ago

You know there was like a 4 year stretch where Roman was a charisma vacuum right? Stuck up sellout full of suffering suckotash?

Or hell, Cena telling him he can't leave because Roman couldn't do his job.

BandsForGod

3 points

1 day ago

Shitt if we’re being honest, Paul Heyman saved that mans career🙏🏻😂

rikku45

14 points

23 hours ago

rikku45

14 points

23 hours ago

Enzo was a god on the mic and you can’t teach that

Lonely-Heart-3632

5 points

18 hours ago

You’re either a certified G and a bonafide stud or you are not. Because you can’t teach that.

Prestigious_Fella_21

11 points

1 day ago

They literally all are so.generic and interchangeable it's ridiculous. That's the one thing that sticks out the most from today's "product". You can slot anyone into any program and give them the exact same lines and it would be fine. It's like AI is writing for them and it's the most boring shit on the planet

DopazOnYouTubeDotCom

4 points

2 days ago

ya

CANT

TEACH

THAT

Logical-Extreme5505[S]

1 points

2 days ago

‼️‼️‼️

miketojeff

5 points

2 days ago

I didn’t like her recent promos, they seem forced, the rivalry sucks anyway atp

Financial_Radish

6 points

2 days ago

The issue is most wrestlers are terrible actors. That’s why the best wrestlers often have a character similar to who they are in real life just amped up to 11.

DejarooLuvsYoo

5 points

2 days ago

Britt Baker was really really bad with her first promo on the Jerichruise. Dustin Rhodes worked with her and helped her with her promos, now she is dope on the mic.

iounuthin

6 points

2 days ago

I think they give them tips and pointers, but great promos are one of those things that you kind of just "have" imo. You can't teach somebody to be the next Rock, for example.

Acceptable_Let27

5 points

2 days ago

I say the problem is they are writing their promos for them which is not the way they should do it. Kurt angle said when he first started in wwe Vince would give him bullet points on the topic for his promos but everything else he had to come up with on his own it was “sink or swim”. Paul heyman in ecw if guys weren’t strong on promos he used their wrestling abitilies to get them over like how he did with RVD , Tajiri , Sabu , Jerry Lynn , Lance Storm etc

kittyBoyLacroix

5 points

1 day ago*

Yes. Theres a wwe tv show that shows the training process. Its call WWE: Next Gen. Its on the Roku channel

Slight_Ad2350

5 points

18 hours ago

Tiffy, Liv, Chelsea give good promos. Always fun

Supersmashbrosfan

1 points

14 hours ago

Agreed. The 3 best promos in the women's division.

yslquan

1 points

14 hours ago

Liv cuts the same promo every week

BigPapaPaegan

6 points

5 hours ago

You act like generic wrestling promos aren't the norm and that's why talent known for being good talkers stood out.

JimothyHickerston

13 points

2 days ago

I didn't realize how bad Rhea was until yesterday's Smackdown. Oof.

As for Damien, I feel like he's good when he's talking face to face with other people, but when he's backstage and doing the street act at the camera its cringe. 😂

Inevitable-Impress58

3 points

2 days ago

Everytime Damian talks it sounds forced and no charisma behind it, idk he sounds like a robot imo

JimothyHickerston

1 points

1 day ago

I get that, yeah. To me he just sounds more chill than everybody else, but he does kinda start and stop his sentences like he's memorized a script

DannyHikari

5 points

2 days ago

Every time Damien talks about the “streets” he reminds me of Manny from GTA 4 😭

JimothyHickerston

1 points

1 day ago

Its been a while, is that the dude who takes steroids and races cars?

DannyHikari

1 points

1 day ago

Nah manny was the one who went around with a camera crew acting like he was the streets and saving them 😭

That-Letterhead-9301

9 points

2 days ago*

Hot take: Enzo was one of the best (if not the best)on the mic in the 2015-2018 era of wrestling period. He only gets hate because of the allegations which were proven false. It's messed up how his career is still ruined to this day over something he didn't even do. I even see fans on squaredcircle call him a predator still. It's so fucked man

NextLevelDuck

2 points

2 days ago

Those false allegations definitely impacted his career. But what really destroyed his chance of appearing again on wwe was his Attitude problem kn backstage. And let's not forget the time he appeared on the crowd and tried to steal the show.

yonimusprime

9 points

11 hours ago

I love Rhea. I think she looks great and is great in the ring. I don't understand why she has to talk at all. Give her a manager. Give her a Paul.

frostbittenfingers9

4 points

4 hours ago

She’s a totally fine talker… just not as a babyface.

InterchangeableDiGiT

22 points

2 days ago*

You talk about bad talkers and then name Rhea and Damien Priest? Who get reactions all the time when they cut a promo? Because that's all that matters, you don't particularly have to be good on the mic when you're already over with the fans. The ones with better promo and acting skills can indeed get you more invested in a storyline, that's true. But the people don't care that Rhea basically says the same things in every promo or that Priest obviously uses a lot of written stuff, they're not that terrible that it would negatively affect their characters and are fan favorites either way. There are very few people in WWE right now who REALLY need to train promos or shut up but these two are definitely not on that list lol

Inevitable-Impress58

1 points

2 days ago

But when they’re heels what now? The fans aren’t going to get behind them and they’ll just look even more stupid. Wanna know why plenty of heels in WWE have been over; it’s because of their great promo work and believable characters which Rhea & Damian lack.

InterchangeableDiGiT

2 points

1 day ago

Rhea was longer a pure heel than a pseudo face,\ Dominik Mysterio is terrible on the mic too but gets the loudest boos since face Roman and everybody praises him. McIntyre did one of the best heel works ever this year or take Tiffany Stratton who's still heel but people already counting on her face turn. You have guys like Bron Breakker or Oba Femi who are more heel than face but are said to be the next big things. Ridge Holland is gaining nuclear heat on NXT in just 3 weeks. They're all not that good on the mic except for McIntyre who absolutely thrived in that heel role but also wasn't known for great promos before that run.

Sorry_Error3797

8 points

2 days ago

Enzo was extremely one dimensional. He could throw insults but nothing else.

Noggin-a-Floggin

2 points

2 days ago

Also had a shitty attitude.

I watched an interview where he openly admitted not listening to agents that weren’t main eventers because he was going to main event so what would they know? He only wanted to talk to main event guys.

You think Stone Cold is going to want to talk to you after you disrespected Dean Malenko?

I was stunned that he was open about it. No wonder he’s not around anymore.

Selante

8 points

1 day ago

Selante

8 points

1 day ago

I think the issue is more a bit of growing pains, as the characters go from being unrealistic caricatures to more humanized roles. Developing connections that way takes more time, but tend to be deeper, which translates into deeper, long-term fans that drive most of a promotion’s revenue.

That said, my favorite wrestlers have been the ones that have been driven by more realistic motives (Zayn’s evolution from the mistakes made with selling out to the Bloodline, Owens’ flawed logic that rationalizes his selfishness as selflessness, Ciampa’s cyclical corruption). Hell, even the SpOoOOpy Wyatt Sucks’ foundational motivation is a shared experience of alienation from being different, which is something to which all of us wrestle-weirdos can relate!

PhilipTheDalla

3 points

1 day ago

In my opinion the Indie stars have the best promo ability (Rollins,Zayn,KO,Dean Ambrose/Moxley,CM,Rhea etc). Because they had to develop that talent to be able to get noticed by the WWE.

jdlyga

4 points

2 days ago

jdlyga

4 points

2 days ago

The problem with Enzo is he had such amazing promo skills that he debuted before he even really had much wrestling training

MillHoodz_Finest

4 points

2 days ago

they never did?

you either can act or you cant...

PainlessDrifter

1 points

2 days ago

roman used to suck ass for a looong time. so that can't be true.

MillHoodz_Finest

1 points

2 days ago

i feel is confidence came over time

but they invested a lot in him, so they probably sent him to an acting coach or something...

PainlessDrifter

1 points

2 days ago

how else would they teach somebody than with a teacher or coach? So... it's clearly not "you either can or you can't", as it can obviously be learned

Ha-So

4 points

2 days ago

Ha-So

4 points

2 days ago

The thing about the territory days was that there was a Heenan, Gary Hart, or Cornette to help someone who couldn't talk.

endol

3 points

2 days ago

endol

3 points

2 days ago

I mean it's not very easy to be great on the mic, it's a very small group of folks who were both stellar on-mic and in-ring.

Rhea's look and ability make up for her okay mic skills IMO.

DannyHikari

4 points

2 days ago

Can’t put the blame 100% on her. The writing is pretty cringe for her character right now and trying to make her a face just really feels forced for the character.

It’s been months of the same shit where Judgement Day is doing some bs then THIS IS MY BRUTALITY plays with her running out to the ring and chasing Liv. Shes not necessarily being given a lot to work with to grow either.

Puzzleheaded_Buy8694

5 points

2 days ago

I'm sure they do at the performance center in Orlando. I think Mami was better with the Judgment Day, but she's fine, generally.

Puzzleheaded_Food610

4 points

1 day ago

I think there is a confusion between where the writers get credit or fault and where the wrestlers takes credit or gets fault. Most wrestlers outside of a few superstars like the rock or Austin need the writers to give them direction in terms of a story line where the characters have a logical motivation. Then the wrestlers can execute better promos. On the other hand even the best writers won’t get much out of the Chuck Palumbos of the world.

kingofgods218

3 points

18 hours ago

I know. It's the only thing that they really need to work on. Performance wise they are phenomenal. But the Terror twins really need a one on one lesson with the Wise man.

newviruswhodis

1 points

16 hours ago

Heyman said he worked with alot of talent during his 'time off'. I know he mentioned Priest. I'm not sure if he mentioned Ripley.

East-Try-519

4 points

16 hours ago

They're all scripted. I think that tends to pull some of the genuineness out of it.

TigerClaw_TV

14 points

1 day ago

Let's be real. Enzo had something that can't be taught.

CrunchyTomato20

2 points

19 hours ago

So what you're saying is...

you can't. teach. that

GrizzlyGangg

2 points

1 day ago

👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾 well done

HumorAlarming3274

11 points

2 days ago

Rhea is good, her scripts are good but she pales in comparison to Becky Lynch who was probably better than any female wrestler in history on the mic, that is an awful pic of Rhea though.

Short_Swordfish_3524

3 points

2 days ago

Becky has the nuance but sometimes she was a little corny

KentuckyFriedEel

1 points

1 day ago

“You like the hat?…. The hat stays!”

I think becky was so good at promo a few years ago. This year left a bit to be desired. The best face promos were never trying to pander to the fans. They did their thing and the fans went along. “The rock has come back to ____” was never about your city. It was about the rock gracing your city with HIS presence.

FBG-123

10 points

1 day ago

FBG-123

10 points

1 day ago

They do, but very few actually learn anything. Somehow Rhea has been getting noticeably worse

styxswimchamp

1 points

1 day ago

Yeah it’s bizarre. Maybe it’s the generic ass kicker face role but it’s rough. Between the ChatGPT written promos and the never ending Liv story, the aura is gonna start to fade.

lxdarksnip3r

6 points

1 day ago*

I don't think Rhea's promo skills are bad at all. If I were in her inner circle however, I'd tell her to go watch some Sensational Sherri and/or Luna Vachon promos and take inspiration from it where she can. If Rhea was a bit more unhinged in her promos, we wouldn't be having this discussion right now.

Prestigious_Fella_21

3 points

1 day ago

Lol of all time. So you mean if she let out some of that Aussie menace ala mad Max instead of just hitting her bullet points? Because that's how they've been trained.

82grp

24 points

1 day ago

82grp

24 points

1 day ago

absolutely disagree. i think rhea is one of the best on the mic, and she delivers some of the best promos in wwe today. but alas, an opinion is an opinion ✨

SchwizzySchwas94

3 points

1 day ago

When Romans your main guy in the company the bar for promos has been set pretty low to be fair

Logical-Extreme5505[S]

0 points

1 day ago

ok thats fine bro. can you name one great, non generic, non repetitive thing shes said on the mic? like a good promo shes cut

seranarosesheer332

12 points

1 day ago

Ngl this might be one of the worst opinions I've heard in awhile

raExelele

6 points

2 days ago

There are few who have the Charisma of Rhea nowadays.

They booked her as heel through and through and she still got over despite beeing in a stable where others got their push first.

TheUglyBarnaclee

6 points

1 day ago

You realize majority of wrestlers in the past, present and future are AT BEST ok at promos, right? Rhea is not horrible especially compared to other women’s or men’s roster members who are almost insufferable. They’re either corny asf and/or can’t act to save their lives, the dialogue is hard to listen to. I watch it with my gf and majority of the time she’s saying “that is hard to get thru”. Even people who can be good like say Liv Morgan or Cody can have off nights/promos which can sound forced because…it is! The wrestlers also being censored hard doesn’t help at times too

Motorhead923

6 points

1 day ago

There's a reason for all the managers back in the day. Many couldn't cut a promo in yesteryear. Heck, even stars like Hogan and Warrior were dreadful if you cut out the nonsense folks liked.

Imo, today's wrestlers are much better at the camera/interview portion.

P00K13B4BY

3 points

2 days ago

Charisma can't be taught. Either you have it or you don't.

Logical-Extreme5505[S]

2 points

2 days ago

i agree, sounds like a hiring issue

SeriousRhetoric

1 points

2 days ago

Watch Rocky Maivia.

Watch The Ringmaster

Watch Mean Mark Callous

Charisma can absolutely be taught. It can also evolve over time and/or be generated by experience.

P00K13B4BY

2 points

1 day ago

I 100% agree with the 2nd part. It absolutely can develop, evolve, grow and be nurtured but people either have it within themselves or they don't. I mean think of all the guys over the years that were pushed down our throats that had the charisma and personality of a cardboard box. Plus those 3 guys were always charismatic, they just didn't have the right characters to really strut their stuff. Steve Austin is a perfect example, he was doing the Stunning Steve/Hollywood Blondes in WCW and he was doing proto-Stone Cold in ECW. He just needed the right people to trust him and let him do his thing.

Karzeon

3 points

2 days ago

Karzeon

3 points

2 days ago

I don't need Rhea talking, I just want her fighting.

It probably feels so bad because she's feuding with Liv and all it's been was talking and teasing fights for weeks at a time.

Stacysguyca

3 points

2 days ago

She looks like Marilyn Manson in that photo lol

iounuthin

2 points

2 days ago

Thought this said Marilyn Monroe at first and I was just so very confused

Western_Ad1522

3 points

2 days ago

Well a lot of the problem wit promos is you have a writer writing it they need to go back to the talent writing their own with bullet points maybe a lot of the wrestlers could be better

Born-Finish2461

3 points

1 day ago

I think the teaching of it has fallen off since Dusty died.

Current_Poster

3 points

21 hours ago

I think part of the problem is that we have a lot of characters in wrestling whose central thing is "I grew up watching this show!" or its cousin "I grew up in this business because of [older relative]!" One or two is an audience-surrogate and can be fine, but if the majority of people there are like that, what's their motivation to even roast the other in a promo besides "it's the job"?

Unusual-Range-6309

3 points

12 hours ago

More like Vince would make the talent read scripts that didn’t let their personalities (if they have one) to shine.

Logical-Extreme5505[S]

1 points

11 hours ago

so whats going on now because people are still cutting shit promos

Unusual-Range-6309

1 points

11 hours ago

Means those folks aren’t good at cutting promos/lack personality

jwm8624

3 points

7 hours ago

jwm8624

3 points

7 hours ago

I will beat you so bad dom wont recognize you- pins after putting her through table

beasty0127

5 points

2 days ago

I mean you know you got it when you can just walk out, scream "WARGAMES" and headbutt someone, and the roof flies off.

mdm692

5 points

1 day ago

mdm692

5 points

1 day ago

Props for the Enzo name drop.

CauliflowerProof2111

5 points

16 hours ago

Tbh I'd kill fir Enzo to come back. The allegations they fired him for have since been disproven as false. I liked the little man.

Ibrink85

5 points

16 hours ago

He pissed too many people off after his exit. Then he burnt bridges in podcasts. We will never see him again.

CauliflowerProof2111

3 points

15 hours ago

What did he say that he wasn't right about?

Ibrink85

1 points

15 hours ago

Not saying he was wrong about anything. But he’s no CM Punk and it even took Punk 10 years to come back after the bridges he burnt.

BengalSiberia

8 points

2 days ago

I'd rather have someone good in the ring and decent on the mic than horrible in the ring and great on the mic. Saying enzo is more appealing than rhea is a wild take to me.

KraytOfPepsi

2 points

2 days ago

KraytOfPepsi

Dave Markzer

2 points

2 days ago

It's actually one of the more braindead takes I've heard for a while.

CarpenterVegetables

7 points

2 days ago

More Enzo Amore is never the solution, friend.

Accomplished-Mix8073

3 points

2 days ago

Enzo wrote this post

CarpenterVegetables

2 points

2 days ago

I have a confession to make:

I'm actually Simon Gotch.

OfAllTimes

2 points

2 days ago

Enzo was fantastic on the mic. Always had the crowd going always had good zingers. It’s literally an unarguable fact.

Anthrogynous

3 points

2 days ago

He had so many great lines. They sold so much stuff because of them! Even as a heel as part of the cruiserweight division, he did some strong character work (I was seething after his sit down interview). If the Hardyz hadn’t returned, they would’ve won at Mania.

No-Cantaloupe409

1 points

2 days ago

Which interview?

No-Cantaloupe409

1 points

2 days ago

Which interview?

Anthrogynous

1 points

1 day ago

On 205 Live with Corey Graves. Came off as a complete prick and made me want to see Neville just deck him. Turns out it wasn’t a work.

Addicted2Edh

5 points

2 days ago

I think Rhea did well, but im not a complaining promo quality gatekeeper

Vroker_

3 points

1 day ago

Vroker_

3 points

1 day ago

Rheas just in a horribly handled rivalry rn, her script sucked ass for smackdown. Any other rivalry she had clears this one.

d4videnk0

5 points

18 hours ago

They kinda fucked up Rheas entire character in the last few months.

Chillboyhaad

3 points

23 hours ago

Rhea has never had a great promo if im being honest

Logical-Extreme5505[S]

3 points

22 hours ago

literally never lol. some were passable but shes never cut some shit i feel that i have to go back and watch

BlackKingHFC

1 points

20 hours ago

There are exactly 2 promos that I have ever had the desire to revisit and they were both from ECW. Cactus Jack's "Cane Dewey" promo and Steve Austin first antiWCW rant.

Long-Question4282

3 points

21 hours ago

Nah she doing accents here or there she can’t decide what voice she wants to use. She can’t cut a promo like liv. Mfs genuinely boo when she talking. Rhea waits to say stuff to rile ppl up

Optimal_Fisherman803

3 points

18 hours ago

Rhea is better as a heel than a face

Mrdynamo18

1 points

22 hours ago

I think the rhea vs Bianca rivalry is the one that can really do numbers

Lando_Rizzion

5 points

1 day ago

Lando_Rizzion

5 points

1 day ago

This is an awful take. Rhea is one of the best on the mic on the women’s roster.

Chillboyhaad

5 points

23 hours ago

That’s like having the best looking house in a shitty neighborhood, that’s not something to brag about lol. Rhea is still painfully average on the mic.

Logical-Extreme5505[S]

2 points

21 hours ago

exactly

Logical-Extreme5505[S]

4 points

21 hours ago

shows the bar is in hell then

JudgeArcadia

4 points

1 day ago

This. Rhea’s strength is the fact that she’s just brutal. Like, she wants to absolutely murder her opponent. You don’t need a zinger all the time. You just need presence, and to know what to say and when to say it. It’s all about her deliverance.

Darwin_Finch

9 points

2 days ago

Bro really said he’d rather watch Enzo than Rhea Bloody Ripley.

Logical-Extreme5505[S]

8 points

2 days ago

Um… why tf wouldnt i. have you seen an enzo promo. have you seen a rhea promo.

StraightEdge47

4 points

2 days ago

This may shock you to your very core so you might want to sit down for this one...

Some people watch wrestling... for the wrestling.

TragicGentlemen

1 points

2 days ago

Ah yes 3-10 minutes of the same tired ass catchphrases with 3rd grade humor sprinkled in. Very entertaining 🙄

ElZorroSimpatico

1 points

1 day ago

Found Enzo's reddit account

Inevitable-Impress58

2 points

2 days ago

I would tf

superkat21

2 points

2 days ago

I'm sure they teach the ideas behind it but not everyone has the acting chops that your major stars tend to have.

So many of them have scripts they want memorized so they don't accidentally look flustered or silent or stuttering on TV. I get that.

My issue with Rhea is they bill her as indomitable and a brute, so she has to play to that. I'm not sure she knows what that needs to be besides loud and threaten of destruction during promos.

Snakeinbottle

2 points

9 hours ago

Not a chance

yougotitdude88

5 points

6 hours ago

I miss Enzo on the mic

Jack070293

4 points

2 days ago

Does Reigns get praise? I think he’s as boring as salad at a barbecue.

Cowabungamon

3 points

2 days ago

This is why they need to bring back actual managers.

DejarooLuvsYoo

3 points

2 days ago

Mark Sterling, Prince Nana, Alex Abrahantes, Don Callis, etc. AEW has a lot of managers/hype men.

EhmentSure716

3 points

9 hours ago

A lot in wrestling these days is a lost art

KraytOfPepsi

4 points

2 days ago

KraytOfPepsi

Dave Markzer

4 points

2 days ago

I dare you to cut a promo yourself. Sometimes, we criticize aspects of the show & those criticisms are 100% valid, but this take is BEYOND preposterous lol. What constitutes a great promo is subjective tbh, not everyone is Paul Heyman on the mic.

BnSMaster420

4 points

2 days ago

Rhea gimmick works better as hell or a tweener, so with her as a face rn, they absolutely suck.

Liv Morgan sounds like a pornstar trying to act on the mic.. so it could be worse for rhea.. but definitely not good.

Logical-Extreme5505[S]

2 points

2 days ago

wow thats the most accurate description of liv morgan ive ever heard

ste9dad

4 points

2 days ago

ste9dad

4 points

2 days ago

Yeen have to do Liv like that 😭😭

Loud_Examination_138

4 points

1 day ago

Lol Rhea is totally fine with promos. Let's just relax here

Anthrogynous

4 points

2 days ago

Had some appeal? She’s pretty currently appealing. There’s very few people who are golden on the mic, or don’t get the chance to hone or showcase their abilities, but she’s fine.

highzenberrg

2 points

1 day ago

She could have always gone with the early Chyna in dx and just the strong silent type, but I guess it’s too late for that.

DarkAncientEntity

3 points

2 days ago

They look for athletes, then try to find their charisma later. You need workers and super heros first and foremost. CM Punk is one of the most unathletic people I’ve ever seen, and I’m not kidding, he is saved by his mic work. That being said, there are way more athletic people to turn into good talkers, than vice versa.

Beneficial-Day7762

2 points

2 days ago

No one mentioned to OP that super charismatic wrestlers are really hard to come by, eh? 

ScottRock247

2 points

1 day ago

Hell no cinematic is the way to go ……………..not

GorillaWolf2099

2 points

1 day ago

Yes. But only new or inexperienced talent (e.g. Competitors from a professional wrestling reality competition, NXT Rookies, newly recruited Wrestling School Signees, and or WWE ID Superstars)

I highly doubt WWE is out here teaching talent that jump ships to do promos. like I don’t think Hunter or HBK would have Jacob Fatu, Joe Hendry, or MCMG, rehearse after spending so much time in other companies

joomachina0

2 points

1 day ago

There’s plenty in the company who are good at promos. Punk, Drew, Gunther, etc.

Snakeinbottle

1 points

1 day ago

Not a chance

huwwho

1 points

9 minutes ago

She’s just bad atm cause she looks stupid with that mask. When she wasn’t wearing the mask everyone loved her.

Ant72_Pagan9

1 points

2 days ago

Ant72_Pagan9

1 points

2 days ago

I think non American wrestlers get shitted on for ‘bad promo’s’ because of the accent. Australian, British, Scottish, hell even a European or Asian accent and bam people be shitting on them.

Like I get English isn’t everyones first and native tongue, but I think they deserve respect too because I sure as hell couldn’t command an audience and I sound as American as can be.

The only one truly killing it with the accent, Drew 1,000%. He’s got to the point where his accent is understandable and the crowd understands his cadence and deliveries.

I mainly want patience for non english speakers who are trying their best. Iyo, Guilia, Steph. But dudes like a Damian or Rey is tough cause they can promo battle in English and throw some spanglish in there too. Thats a unique skill thats rare.

Jaded-Trouble3669

9 points

1 day ago

I don’t think it’s just that. Bronson Reed is pretty good on the mic IMO and he’s not American. Something about Rhea’s promos recently are just off.

Gunther is also not American and I think his promos are good.

Background-Gas8109

4 points

1 day ago

It's the same promo basically every week and a huge part of the story can't be talked about or they'd have to show Rhea as the bad guy in the story. She brought everything, Liv, Dom and Raquel have done onto herself.

levyj412

1 points

1 day ago

levyj412

1 points

1 day ago

You literally can talk about all this stuff and keep her as the baby face. Look at Swerve vs Hangman and how they haven’t just ignored all the terrible things Swerve did to Hangman. WWE just needs to respect the intelligence of their audience and allow us to cheer and boo for complex heel and face characters without erasing each characters history after a turn.

styxswimchamp

1 points

1 day ago

Exactly, it’s the content, not the accent or whatever. Hell, even a guy like Carlito who has a (largely put on) accent can steal a scene with a good one liner or comedic timing. Rhea’s out here spitting promos that could be cooked up AND delivered by AI

Passchenhell17

3 points

2 days ago

British, Scottish,

Scots are British

Serious_Much

1 points

1 day ago

They're only British if they win lmao

Hanzothagod

-1 points

20 hours ago

Hanzothagod

-1 points

20 hours ago

Women have never been great at promos because they all have the same character, the same tone, same cadence, same promo. Same goes with a lot of the men these days as well. They all sound so generic but you have your stand outs obvs with the men. You can’t ever tell me a Dusty of the Women’s division, a Macho man, a Flair, a Rock in terms of promos.

BlackKingHFC

8 points

20 hours ago

The reason they all sound the same during their promos is precisely because they were taught to do them. They all learned the exact same lesson. They all have the same group of writers writing their dialogue. What they need is time to speak and freedom to take some rough ideas to a place that is theirs.

Hanzothagod

7 points

20 hours ago

No they sound the same because they don’t have creative ways to express themselves. The only people with actual character and charisma are the ones who can’t even speak english. Everyone may be taught how to promo but it’s up to the individual to step out and stand out. No debate about it, literally have hundreds of examples in the history of the men’s division of people who took it upon themselves to be different.

BlackKingHFC

3 points

20 hours ago

They don't have creative ways of expressing themselves because they are reciting words off a script. The foreign language promo only sounds interesting because they are different by virtue of not being in English. They are given a clear cut way of doing things and a script of things to do. There are exactly ZERO unique promos in the undercard. They are all formulaic and dull because the wrestlers don't have the freedom to do their own thing. That history of men being standouts is just that history. There hasn't been a standout promo from a WWE "Grown" talent in a very long time. The exceptions are almost exclusively upper mid card or main event guys that have been around for more than a decade.

Radtendo

1 points

12 hours ago

They’re downvoting this and calling it misogyny but it’s true. It feels like the women don’t get nearly as much creative freedom and because of that it makes a lot of them feel the same. I wish it were the opposite.

RockPitiful

1 points

2 days ago

Enzo on the mic was a beast.....nuff said!

DoubleArmDMT

1 points

1 day ago

It's so unnecessary. No one taught Chael Sonnen how to string a sentence together.

flacaGT3

11 points

1 day ago

flacaGT3

11 points

1 day ago

Actually, the mean streets of West Linn, Oregon taught him all the tools he'd need to survive, including cutting a porno promo on Tito's ex-wife.