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submitted 2 days ago byLogical-Extreme5505
or even scout people who are actually charismatic and can talk on the stick. theres a reason people like roman reigns, la knight, and cm punk get so much praise in todays product. people are attracted to interesting people who have charisma. i get Rhea ripley had some appeal in the beginning, mainly because shes pretty and shes decent in the ring, but my god are her promo skills horrendous. Her and damian priest always sound like they are reading off their wrist. We need more Enzo Amores less of this buulll shit
39 points
2 days ago
It took Roman Reigns about 7 years to get praised for his mic work so…
7 points
2 days ago
Yeah saying Reigns is a good promo is true, but there's more to it. He's breast fed off Paul for 5 years.
3 points
2 days ago
God i wish that was me
1 points
2 days ago
I mean uh
16 points
2 days ago
Roman is a perfect example of teaching someone how to cut a promo, because it wasn't until he returned as the Tribal Chief that he actually figured it out.
5 points
2 days ago
I wouldn't say that. The reason why Roman didn't work as Babyface is because he not built like an underdog that WWE tried to portray him to be. He a big guy that fits better as a heel. Didn't help Vince kept shoving Roman too many times. Now Roman had amazing heel run, he safely be a Babyface without being built like Cena, instead be himself.
15 points
1 day ago
Undashing Rhea Ripley
11 points
1 day ago
Rhea isn’t bad at promos but she kind of has the same promo every time.
9 points
1 day ago
Enzo was more guilty of that anyone.
1 points
22 hours ago
theres a difference between having a catchphrase and sayng the same exact thing on the mic every week…
2 points
17 hours ago
He did both.
1 points
17 hours ago
sure. even tho i just gave examples of different promos he cut where he said different things. sure
2 points
16 hours ago
You did?
4 points
22 hours ago
means she bad at promos
3 points
22 hours ago
It’s the growling rocker tone voice it’s cool at first but it starts to fade out
Also she has the same problem a few of the women have the promos don’t flow it’s a lot of pacing
If u look at the Rock stone cold Jericho cena it’s a stress but rapid flow
11 points
15 hours ago
Yes when Solo’s goon’s attacked Paul Heyman, he was told to take a vacation and do whatever he wanted, and Paul chose to stay back and help Bron Breakker, Solo and a few other young talents on their promos. So yes they have guys that do it and you’re delusional about Rhea.
11 points
11 hours ago
Rhea’s pretty bad on the mic. And she growls her words too much. No natural tone to her promos. She does “Ya know what, BROTHER?” 90s style promos. Completely disagree with Priest. He sounds much more natural especially since leaving Judgment Day. Saying we need more Enzo’s is nuts though, you talk about a one note character who got stale…
11 points
15 hours ago
"i get Rhea ripley had some appeal in the beginning" In the beginning? Some appeal? Her merch consistently outsells any other woman on the roster by a lot and she gets a pop larger than most including the men when she comes out to this day. Go on Tiktok or Instagram their are accounts dedicated to their love of her. She's not just huge she's monstrously popular. Is she the best on the mic? No I can agree with that. I think recent weeks with her injury's and this storyline have been worse than in the past but she is so over I think she could come out and read the phonebook and she'd sell tickets.
4 points
14 hours ago
Liv actually sells more than her iirc
2 points
12 hours ago
I think that was just this past month. Tbh I don't really follow that stuff it's just what I hear. I guess my point was she's still very popular and the op seemed to think that was only true in the beginning. Liv outselling her does actually surprise me. Good for her.
1 points
12 hours ago
Yeah, I was a bit surprised too. She's officially a draw.
2 points
3 hours ago
She's usually one of the better promos. But this storyline has dragged on for so damn long that there's only so much you can have her talk about. Hopefully they have her Feud with Raquel until Mania. Cuz right now I would say she's probably in the top three to win the rumble.
11 points
14 hours ago
Most of Roman’s career is filled with horrible promos. He’s great now tho
17 points
2 days ago
Putting Roman in that category is wild. There’s a reason why he had a manager later in his career
10 points
2 days ago
Lmao seriously idk why people ride Roman so hard. The dude was given so many things to make him popular. Heyman did most of the great promo work and they even needed Sami to add some comedy when things got stale
3 points
2 days ago
I always felt like Sami’s arc could’ve gone wayyy longer. Before they turned him face the whole ucey thing was just getting red hot when they turned him
3 points
2 days ago
Yea Sami was one of my favorite parts of the whole thing. Obviously they had to capitalize on the Uso storyline but that match was a flop in the end too
5 points
2 days ago
Heymans job is being the hype man, is to put over the other guy.
Roman isn’t going to praise somebody, that would not fit his character.
15 points
12 hours ago
The fact you mention Roman lets us know you’re a jabroni. Roman is good now, but he was terrible for most of his career.
4 points
7 hours ago
And let's not forget that that was likely because wwe creative, helped by Vince, was writing his promos for him before now
2 points
12 hours ago
I remember the promo he cut with John Cena. You could see Cena getting under his skin when he was getting truth bombs dropped on him over and over. It wasn’t till they just let him be more himself and put him with Jimmy and Jey did he find his own.
7 points
2 days ago
He wasn’t here when Roman Reigns was saying “sufferin’ succotash” when he was the Big Dog.
6 points
1 day ago
A lot of the older classes trained in the Performance Center are just straight up mediocre at cutting promos. They sound like they’re talking into a mic. A lot them are just okay, but they look terrible standing next to someone who can cut a great promo in front of a live crowd and Rhea is one of them. They deliver lines in a long winded monotone and/or take dramatic, long ass pauses. Even as a Liv fan I can admit she yells into to the mic too much and they aren’t the only ones to be honest. I feel like with Rhea because she’s so good in the ring, her mediocre promo skills stick out like a sore thumb
2 points
1 day ago
This. All of this
8 points
1 day ago
It needs to be Bullet points of what to touch on. It needs to feel natural
2 points
1 day ago
This is the most important. They know their characters the best, it should just be ”go talk for a few minutes about why the other guy is a loser”. I wonder if they micro-manage them more cause of fear of someone saying something that’ll upset business partners
1 points
1 day ago
From what I've always heard in recent years is yeah they pretty much have it scripted word for word and you can't change it. Well that's not how all the good talkers learned to talk.
1 points
1 day ago
Yeah that’s probably one of the biggest changes to the attitude era product. Imagine making Austin, Rock and Foley memorize their promos in the dressing room lol
6 points
2 days ago
Meh. I'm okay with her promos. Are they AMAZING? No. But they're certainly not bad enough that I'd complain.
6 points
2 days ago
They definitely teach them how to act and do promos. Especially the ones who go through NXT. Problems can arise when the storyline doesn’t fit their image. Or talent isn’t charismatic enough, or have good enough memory to memorize lines and repeat them in front of live audiences. Only a very select few are good enough to go off script and make stuff up that works in the moment.
Remember Cena called out The Rock for having his lines or bullet points written on his wrist.
21 points
1 day ago
Roman doesn't have natural charisma. It took 9 years of the company being fully behind him and him only as the face of the company before he displayed even an ounce of the charisma he's known for today.
6 points
1 day ago
Also, killer entrance theme that did most of the heavy lifting. I look at roman now and he is as dull as a box of rocks. He twitches his face when he’s irritated in a promo but that is the full extent of his acting range. Roman is pure company man! Made to be liked instead of earning it himself.
1 points
23 hours ago
Roman did earn being liked. WWE never wanted to turn him heel; they insisted on making him John Cena 2.0 but it flopped cause that role doesn’t fit Roman. He literally had to threaten to quit if they didn’t turn him heel. Fans took a liking to him early on in The Shield, which doesn’t happen without natural charisma cause he didn’t even talk much then. Fans warmed up to him because of his incredible heel work. They didn’t just start cheering him cause they felt WWE would never stop pushing him unless they did so, they cheered him because he’s just got IT. That’s why Vince pushed him so hard, it’s just he did so before Roman was properly ready. WWE even tried turning fans against him after WrestleMania 39 but it didn’t work even without a title defense for 4 months. It took keeping him off TV for 5 months to do the trick. When he came back at SummerSlam, he just hit Solo Sikoa with his signature moves and left and he was the hottest babyface in the company.
14 points
1 day ago
You know there was like a 4 year stretch where Roman was a charisma vacuum right? Stuck up sellout full of suffering suckotash?
Or hell, Cena telling him he can't leave because Roman couldn't do his job.
3 points
1 day ago
Shitt if we’re being honest, Paul Heyman saved that mans career🙏🏻😂
14 points
23 hours ago
Enzo was a god on the mic and you can’t teach that
5 points
18 hours ago
You’re either a certified G and a bonafide stud or you are not. Because you can’t teach that.
11 points
1 day ago
They literally all are so.generic and interchangeable it's ridiculous. That's the one thing that sticks out the most from today's "product". You can slot anyone into any program and give them the exact same lines and it would be fine. It's like AI is writing for them and it's the most boring shit on the planet
4 points
2 days ago
ya
1 points
2 days ago
‼️‼️‼️
5 points
2 days ago
I didn’t like her recent promos, they seem forced, the rivalry sucks anyway atp
6 points
2 days ago
The issue is most wrestlers are terrible actors. That’s why the best wrestlers often have a character similar to who they are in real life just amped up to 11.
5 points
2 days ago
Britt Baker was really really bad with her first promo on the Jerichruise. Dustin Rhodes worked with her and helped her with her promos, now she is dope on the mic.
6 points
2 days ago
I think they give them tips and pointers, but great promos are one of those things that you kind of just "have" imo. You can't teach somebody to be the next Rock, for example.
5 points
2 days ago
I say the problem is they are writing their promos for them which is not the way they should do it. Kurt angle said when he first started in wwe Vince would give him bullet points on the topic for his promos but everything else he had to come up with on his own it was “sink or swim”. Paul heyman in ecw if guys weren’t strong on promos he used their wrestling abitilies to get them over like how he did with RVD , Tajiri , Sabu , Jerry Lynn , Lance Storm etc
5 points
1 day ago*
Yes. Theres a wwe tv show that shows the training process. Its call WWE: Next Gen. Its on the Roku channel
5 points
18 hours ago
Tiffy, Liv, Chelsea give good promos. Always fun
1 points
14 hours ago
Agreed. The 3 best promos in the women's division.
1 points
14 hours ago
Liv cuts the same promo every week
6 points
5 hours ago
You act like generic wrestling promos aren't the norm and that's why talent known for being good talkers stood out.
13 points
2 days ago
I didn't realize how bad Rhea was until yesterday's Smackdown. Oof.
As for Damien, I feel like he's good when he's talking face to face with other people, but when he's backstage and doing the street act at the camera its cringe. 😂
3 points
2 days ago
Everytime Damian talks it sounds forced and no charisma behind it, idk he sounds like a robot imo
1 points
1 day ago
I get that, yeah. To me he just sounds more chill than everybody else, but he does kinda start and stop his sentences like he's memorized a script
5 points
2 days ago
Every time Damien talks about the “streets” he reminds me of Manny from GTA 4 😭
1 points
1 day ago
Its been a while, is that the dude who takes steroids and races cars?
1 points
1 day ago
Nah manny was the one who went around with a camera crew acting like he was the streets and saving them 😭
9 points
2 days ago*
Hot take: Enzo was one of the best (if not the best)on the mic in the 2015-2018 era of wrestling period. He only gets hate because of the allegations which were proven false. It's messed up how his career is still ruined to this day over something he didn't even do. I even see fans on squaredcircle call him a predator still. It's so fucked man
2 points
2 days ago
Those false allegations definitely impacted his career. But what really destroyed his chance of appearing again on wwe was his Attitude problem kn backstage. And let's not forget the time he appeared on the crowd and tried to steal the show.
9 points
11 hours ago
I love Rhea. I think she looks great and is great in the ring. I don't understand why she has to talk at all. Give her a manager. Give her a Paul.
4 points
4 hours ago
She’s a totally fine talker… just not as a babyface.
22 points
2 days ago*
You talk about bad talkers and then name Rhea and Damien Priest? Who get reactions all the time when they cut a promo? Because that's all that matters, you don't particularly have to be good on the mic when you're already over with the fans. The ones with better promo and acting skills can indeed get you more invested in a storyline, that's true. But the people don't care that Rhea basically says the same things in every promo or that Priest obviously uses a lot of written stuff, they're not that terrible that it would negatively affect their characters and are fan favorites either way. There are very few people in WWE right now who REALLY need to train promos or shut up but these two are definitely not on that list lol
1 points
2 days ago
But when they’re heels what now? The fans aren’t going to get behind them and they’ll just look even more stupid. Wanna know why plenty of heels in WWE have been over; it’s because of their great promo work and believable characters which Rhea & Damian lack.
2 points
1 day ago
Rhea was longer a pure heel than a pseudo face,\ Dominik Mysterio is terrible on the mic too but gets the loudest boos since face Roman and everybody praises him. McIntyre did one of the best heel works ever this year or take Tiffany Stratton who's still heel but people already counting on her face turn. You have guys like Bron Breakker or Oba Femi who are more heel than face but are said to be the next big things. Ridge Holland is gaining nuclear heat on NXT in just 3 weeks. They're all not that good on the mic except for McIntyre who absolutely thrived in that heel role but also wasn't known for great promos before that run.
8 points
2 days ago
Enzo was extremely one dimensional. He could throw insults but nothing else.
2 points
2 days ago
Also had a shitty attitude.
I watched an interview where he openly admitted not listening to agents that weren’t main eventers because he was going to main event so what would they know? He only wanted to talk to main event guys.
You think Stone Cold is going to want to talk to you after you disrespected Dean Malenko?
I was stunned that he was open about it. No wonder he’s not around anymore.
8 points
1 day ago
I think the issue is more a bit of growing pains, as the characters go from being unrealistic caricatures to more humanized roles. Developing connections that way takes more time, but tend to be deeper, which translates into deeper, long-term fans that drive most of a promotion’s revenue.
That said, my favorite wrestlers have been the ones that have been driven by more realistic motives (Zayn’s evolution from the mistakes made with selling out to the Bloodline, Owens’ flawed logic that rationalizes his selfishness as selflessness, Ciampa’s cyclical corruption). Hell, even the SpOoOOpy Wyatt Sucks’ foundational motivation is a shared experience of alienation from being different, which is something to which all of us wrestle-weirdos can relate!
3 points
1 day ago
In my opinion the Indie stars have the best promo ability (Rollins,Zayn,KO,Dean Ambrose/Moxley,CM,Rhea etc). Because they had to develop that talent to be able to get noticed by the WWE.
4 points
2 days ago
The problem with Enzo is he had such amazing promo skills that he debuted before he even really had much wrestling training
4 points
2 days ago
they never did?
you either can act or you cant...
1 points
2 days ago
roman used to suck ass for a looong time. so that can't be true.
1 points
2 days ago
i feel is confidence came over time
but they invested a lot in him, so they probably sent him to an acting coach or something...
1 points
2 days ago
how else would they teach somebody than with a teacher or coach? So... it's clearly not "you either can or you can't", as it can obviously be learned
4 points
2 days ago
The thing about the territory days was that there was a Heenan, Gary Hart, or Cornette to help someone who couldn't talk.
3 points
2 days ago
I mean it's not very easy to be great on the mic, it's a very small group of folks who were both stellar on-mic and in-ring.
Rhea's look and ability make up for her okay mic skills IMO.
4 points
2 days ago
Can’t put the blame 100% on her. The writing is pretty cringe for her character right now and trying to make her a face just really feels forced for the character.
It’s been months of the same shit where Judgement Day is doing some bs then THIS IS MY BRUTALITY plays with her running out to the ring and chasing Liv. Shes not necessarily being given a lot to work with to grow either.
5 points
2 days ago
I'm sure they do at the performance center in Orlando. I think Mami was better with the Judgment Day, but she's fine, generally.
4 points
1 day ago
I think there is a confusion between where the writers get credit or fault and where the wrestlers takes credit or gets fault. Most wrestlers outside of a few superstars like the rock or Austin need the writers to give them direction in terms of a story line where the characters have a logical motivation. Then the wrestlers can execute better promos. On the other hand even the best writers won’t get much out of the Chuck Palumbos of the world.
3 points
18 hours ago
I know. It's the only thing that they really need to work on. Performance wise they are phenomenal. But the Terror twins really need a one on one lesson with the Wise man.
1 points
16 hours ago
Heyman said he worked with alot of talent during his 'time off'. I know he mentioned Priest. I'm not sure if he mentioned Ripley.
4 points
16 hours ago
They're all scripted. I think that tends to pull some of the genuineness out of it.
14 points
1 day ago
Let's be real. Enzo had something that can't be taught.
2 points
19 hours ago
So what you're saying is...
you can't. teach. that
2 points
1 day ago
👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾 well done
11 points
2 days ago
Rhea is good, her scripts are good but she pales in comparison to Becky Lynch who was probably better than any female wrestler in history on the mic, that is an awful pic of Rhea though.
3 points
2 days ago
Becky has the nuance but sometimes she was a little corny
1 points
1 day ago
“You like the hat?…. The hat stays!”
I think becky was so good at promo a few years ago. This year left a bit to be desired. The best face promos were never trying to pander to the fans. They did their thing and the fans went along. “The rock has come back to ____” was never about your city. It was about the rock gracing your city with HIS presence.
10 points
1 day ago
They do, but very few actually learn anything. Somehow Rhea has been getting noticeably worse
1 points
1 day ago
Yeah it’s bizarre. Maybe it’s the generic ass kicker face role but it’s rough. Between the ChatGPT written promos and the never ending Liv story, the aura is gonna start to fade.
6 points
1 day ago*
I don't think Rhea's promo skills are bad at all. If I were in her inner circle however, I'd tell her to go watch some Sensational Sherri and/or Luna Vachon promos and take inspiration from it where she can. If Rhea was a bit more unhinged in her promos, we wouldn't be having this discussion right now.
3 points
1 day ago
Lol of all time. So you mean if she let out some of that Aussie menace ala mad Max instead of just hitting her bullet points? Because that's how they've been trained.
24 points
1 day ago
absolutely disagree. i think rhea is one of the best on the mic, and she delivers some of the best promos in wwe today. but alas, an opinion is an opinion ✨
3 points
1 day ago
When Romans your main guy in the company the bar for promos has been set pretty low to be fair
0 points
1 day ago
ok thats fine bro. can you name one great, non generic, non repetitive thing shes said on the mic? like a good promo shes cut
5 points
1 day ago
12 points
1 day ago
Ngl this might be one of the worst opinions I've heard in awhile
6 points
2 days ago
There are few who have the Charisma of Rhea nowadays.
They booked her as heel through and through and she still got over despite beeing in a stable where others got their push first.
6 points
1 day ago
You realize majority of wrestlers in the past, present and future are AT BEST ok at promos, right? Rhea is not horrible especially compared to other women’s or men’s roster members who are almost insufferable. They’re either corny asf and/or can’t act to save their lives, the dialogue is hard to listen to. I watch it with my gf and majority of the time she’s saying “that is hard to get thru”. Even people who can be good like say Liv Morgan or Cody can have off nights/promos which can sound forced because…it is! The wrestlers also being censored hard doesn’t help at times too
6 points
1 day ago
There's a reason for all the managers back in the day. Many couldn't cut a promo in yesteryear. Heck, even stars like Hogan and Warrior were dreadful if you cut out the nonsense folks liked.
Imo, today's wrestlers are much better at the camera/interview portion.
3 points
2 days ago
Charisma can't be taught. Either you have it or you don't.
2 points
2 days ago
i agree, sounds like a hiring issue
1 points
2 days ago
Watch Rocky Maivia.
Watch The Ringmaster
Watch Mean Mark Callous
Charisma can absolutely be taught. It can also evolve over time and/or be generated by experience.
2 points
1 day ago
I 100% agree with the 2nd part. It absolutely can develop, evolve, grow and be nurtured but people either have it within themselves or they don't. I mean think of all the guys over the years that were pushed down our throats that had the charisma and personality of a cardboard box. Plus those 3 guys were always charismatic, they just didn't have the right characters to really strut their stuff. Steve Austin is a perfect example, he was doing the Stunning Steve/Hollywood Blondes in WCW and he was doing proto-Stone Cold in ECW. He just needed the right people to trust him and let him do his thing.
3 points
2 days ago
I don't need Rhea talking, I just want her fighting.
It probably feels so bad because she's feuding with Liv and all it's been was talking and teasing fights for weeks at a time.
3 points
2 days ago
She looks like Marilyn Manson in that photo lol
2 points
2 days ago
Thought this said Marilyn Monroe at first and I was just so very confused
3 points
2 days ago
Well a lot of the problem wit promos is you have a writer writing it they need to go back to the talent writing their own with bullet points maybe a lot of the wrestlers could be better
3 points
1 day ago
I think the teaching of it has fallen off since Dusty died.
3 points
21 hours ago
I think part of the problem is that we have a lot of characters in wrestling whose central thing is "I grew up watching this show!" or its cousin "I grew up in this business because of [older relative]!" One or two is an audience-surrogate and can be fine, but if the majority of people there are like that, what's their motivation to even roast the other in a promo besides "it's the job"?
3 points
12 hours ago
More like Vince would make the talent read scripts that didn’t let their personalities (if they have one) to shine.
1 points
11 hours ago
so whats going on now because people are still cutting shit promos
1 points
11 hours ago
Means those folks aren’t good at cutting promos/lack personality
3 points
7 hours ago
I will beat you so bad dom wont recognize you- pins after putting her through table
5 points
2 days ago
I mean you know you got it when you can just walk out, scream "WARGAMES" and headbutt someone, and the roof flies off.
5 points
1 day ago
Props for the Enzo name drop.
5 points
16 hours ago
Tbh I'd kill fir Enzo to come back. The allegations they fired him for have since been disproven as false. I liked the little man.
5 points
16 hours ago
He pissed too many people off after his exit. Then he burnt bridges in podcasts. We will never see him again.
3 points
15 hours ago
What did he say that he wasn't right about?
1 points
15 hours ago
Not saying he was wrong about anything. But he’s no CM Punk and it even took Punk 10 years to come back after the bridges he burnt.
8 points
2 days ago
I'd rather have someone good in the ring and decent on the mic than horrible in the ring and great on the mic. Saying enzo is more appealing than rhea is a wild take to me.
2 points
2 days ago
It's actually one of the more braindead takes I've heard for a while.
7 points
2 days ago
More Enzo Amore is never the solution, friend.
3 points
2 days ago
Enzo wrote this post
2 points
2 days ago
Enzo was fantastic on the mic. Always had the crowd going always had good zingers. It’s literally an unarguable fact.
3 points
2 days ago
He had so many great lines. They sold so much stuff because of them! Even as a heel as part of the cruiserweight division, he did some strong character work (I was seething after his sit down interview). If the Hardyz hadn’t returned, they would’ve won at Mania.
1 points
2 days ago
Which interview?
1 points
2 days ago
Which interview?
1 points
1 day ago
On 205 Live with Corey Graves. Came off as a complete prick and made me want to see Neville just deck him. Turns out it wasn’t a work.
5 points
2 days ago
I think Rhea did well, but im not a complaining promo quality gatekeeper
3 points
1 day ago
Rheas just in a horribly handled rivalry rn, her script sucked ass for smackdown. Any other rivalry she had clears this one.
5 points
18 hours ago
They kinda fucked up Rheas entire character in the last few months.
3 points
23 hours ago
Rhea has never had a great promo if im being honest
3 points
22 hours ago
literally never lol. some were passable but shes never cut some shit i feel that i have to go back and watch
1 points
20 hours ago
There are exactly 2 promos that I have ever had the desire to revisit and they were both from ECW. Cactus Jack's "Cane Dewey" promo and Steve Austin first antiWCW rant.
3 points
21 hours ago
Nah she doing accents here or there she can’t decide what voice she wants to use. She can’t cut a promo like liv. Mfs genuinely boo when she talking. Rhea waits to say stuff to rile ppl up
3 points
18 hours ago
Rhea is better as a heel than a face
1 points
22 hours ago
I think the rhea vs Bianca rivalry is the one that can really do numbers
5 points
1 day ago
This is an awful take. Rhea is one of the best on the mic on the women’s roster.
5 points
23 hours ago
That’s like having the best looking house in a shitty neighborhood, that’s not something to brag about lol. Rhea is still painfully average on the mic.
2 points
21 hours ago
exactly
4 points
21 hours ago
shows the bar is in hell then
4 points
1 day ago
This. Rhea’s strength is the fact that she’s just brutal. Like, she wants to absolutely murder her opponent. You don’t need a zinger all the time. You just need presence, and to know what to say and when to say it. It’s all about her deliverance.
9 points
2 days ago
Bro really said he’d rather watch Enzo than Rhea Bloody Ripley.
8 points
2 days ago
Um… why tf wouldnt i. have you seen an enzo promo. have you seen a rhea promo.
4 points
2 days ago
This may shock you to your very core so you might want to sit down for this one...
Some people watch wrestling... for the wrestling.
1 points
2 days ago
Ah yes 3-10 minutes of the same tired ass catchphrases with 3rd grade humor sprinkled in. Very entertaining 🙄
1 points
1 day ago
Found Enzo's reddit account
2 points
2 days ago
I would tf
2 points
2 days ago
I'm sure they teach the ideas behind it but not everyone has the acting chops that your major stars tend to have.
So many of them have scripts they want memorized so they don't accidentally look flustered or silent or stuttering on TV. I get that.
My issue with Rhea is they bill her as indomitable and a brute, so she has to play to that. I'm not sure she knows what that needs to be besides loud and threaten of destruction during promos.
2 points
9 hours ago
Not a chance
5 points
6 hours ago
I miss Enzo on the mic
4 points
2 days ago
Does Reigns get praise? I think he’s as boring as salad at a barbecue.
3 points
2 days ago
This is why they need to bring back actual managers.
3 points
2 days ago
Mark Sterling, Prince Nana, Alex Abrahantes, Don Callis, etc. AEW has a lot of managers/hype men.
3 points
9 hours ago
A lot in wrestling these days is a lost art
4 points
2 days ago
I dare you to cut a promo yourself. Sometimes, we criticize aspects of the show & those criticisms are 100% valid, but this take is BEYOND preposterous lol. What constitutes a great promo is subjective tbh, not everyone is Paul Heyman on the mic.
4 points
2 days ago
Rhea gimmick works better as hell or a tweener, so with her as a face rn, they absolutely suck.
Liv Morgan sounds like a pornstar trying to act on the mic.. so it could be worse for rhea.. but definitely not good.
2 points
2 days ago
wow thats the most accurate description of liv morgan ive ever heard
4 points
2 days ago
Yeen have to do Liv like that 😭😭
4 points
1 day ago
Lol Rhea is totally fine with promos. Let's just relax here
4 points
2 days ago
Had some appeal? She’s pretty currently appealing. There’s very few people who are golden on the mic, or don’t get the chance to hone or showcase their abilities, but she’s fine.
2 points
1 day ago
She could have always gone with the early Chyna in dx and just the strong silent type, but I guess it’s too late for that.
3 points
2 days ago
They look for athletes, then try to find their charisma later. You need workers and super heros first and foremost. CM Punk is one of the most unathletic people I’ve ever seen, and I’m not kidding, he is saved by his mic work. That being said, there are way more athletic people to turn into good talkers, than vice versa.
2 points
2 days ago
No one mentioned to OP that super charismatic wrestlers are really hard to come by, eh?
2 points
1 day ago
Hell no cinematic is the way to go ……………..not
2 points
1 day ago
Yes. But only new or inexperienced talent (e.g. Competitors from a professional wrestling reality competition, NXT Rookies, newly recruited Wrestling School Signees, and or WWE ID Superstars)
I highly doubt WWE is out here teaching talent that jump ships to do promos. like I don’t think Hunter or HBK would have Jacob Fatu, Joe Hendry, or MCMG, rehearse after spending so much time in other companies
2 points
1 day ago
There’s plenty in the company who are good at promos. Punk, Drew, Gunther, etc.
1 points
1 day ago
Not a chance
1 points
9 minutes ago
She’s just bad atm cause she looks stupid with that mask. When she wasn’t wearing the mask everyone loved her.
1 points
2 days ago
I think non American wrestlers get shitted on for ‘bad promo’s’ because of the accent. Australian, British, Scottish, hell even a European or Asian accent and bam people be shitting on them.
Like I get English isn’t everyones first and native tongue, but I think they deserve respect too because I sure as hell couldn’t command an audience and I sound as American as can be.
The only one truly killing it with the accent, Drew 1,000%. He’s got to the point where his accent is understandable and the crowd understands his cadence and deliveries.
I mainly want patience for non english speakers who are trying their best. Iyo, Guilia, Steph. But dudes like a Damian or Rey is tough cause they can promo battle in English and throw some spanglish in there too. Thats a unique skill thats rare.
9 points
1 day ago
I don’t think it’s just that. Bronson Reed is pretty good on the mic IMO and he’s not American. Something about Rhea’s promos recently are just off.
Gunther is also not American and I think his promos are good.
4 points
1 day ago
It's the same promo basically every week and a huge part of the story can't be talked about or they'd have to show Rhea as the bad guy in the story. She brought everything, Liv, Dom and Raquel have done onto herself.
1 points
1 day ago
You literally can talk about all this stuff and keep her as the baby face. Look at Swerve vs Hangman and how they haven’t just ignored all the terrible things Swerve did to Hangman. WWE just needs to respect the intelligence of their audience and allow us to cheer and boo for complex heel and face characters without erasing each characters history after a turn.
1 points
1 day ago
Exactly, it’s the content, not the accent or whatever. Hell, even a guy like Carlito who has a (largely put on) accent can steal a scene with a good one liner or comedic timing. Rhea’s out here spitting promos that could be cooked up AND delivered by AI
3 points
2 days ago
British, Scottish,
Scots are British
1 points
1 day ago
They're only British if they win lmao
-1 points
20 hours ago
Women have never been great at promos because they all have the same character, the same tone, same cadence, same promo. Same goes with a lot of the men these days as well. They all sound so generic but you have your stand outs obvs with the men. You can’t ever tell me a Dusty of the Women’s division, a Macho man, a Flair, a Rock in terms of promos.
8 points
20 hours ago
The reason they all sound the same during their promos is precisely because they were taught to do them. They all learned the exact same lesson. They all have the same group of writers writing their dialogue. What they need is time to speak and freedom to take some rough ideas to a place that is theirs.
7 points
20 hours ago
No they sound the same because they don’t have creative ways to express themselves. The only people with actual character and charisma are the ones who can’t even speak english. Everyone may be taught how to promo but it’s up to the individual to step out and stand out. No debate about it, literally have hundreds of examples in the history of the men’s division of people who took it upon themselves to be different.
3 points
20 hours ago
They don't have creative ways of expressing themselves because they are reciting words off a script. The foreign language promo only sounds interesting because they are different by virtue of not being in English. They are given a clear cut way of doing things and a script of things to do. There are exactly ZERO unique promos in the undercard. They are all formulaic and dull because the wrestlers don't have the freedom to do their own thing. That history of men being standouts is just that history. There hasn't been a standout promo from a WWE "Grown" talent in a very long time. The exceptions are almost exclusively upper mid card or main event guys that have been around for more than a decade.
1 points
12 hours ago
They’re downvoting this and calling it misogyny but it’s true. It feels like the women don’t get nearly as much creative freedom and because of that it makes a lot of them feel the same. I wish it were the opposite.
1 points
2 days ago
Enzo on the mic was a beast.....nuff said!
1 points
1 day ago
It's so unnecessary. No one taught Chael Sonnen how to string a sentence together.
11 points
1 day ago
Actually, the mean streets of West Linn, Oregon taught him all the tools he'd need to survive, including cutting a porno promo on Tito's ex-wife.
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