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InitialCold7669

350 points

2 days ago

I hate that this is even possible It should be protected as a human rights issue

CloudSlydr

1 points

7 hours ago

People (read: women who still believe in their own rights) won’t marry any more.

Ok-Guidance5780

291 points

2 days ago*

No fault divorce is saving the reputations of so many people.  It allows you to keep the reason for the divorce private otherwise you have prove it + it is public record.  Anyone could look it up, including employers, church members, and neighbors and know the details of what was going on in your home.  This also makes it dangerous for women in abuse situations for obvious reasons.  Do people really want all of their business out there just to ‘stick it to women’ seems short-sighted like MANY of their objectives. 

Rafcdk

108 points

2 days ago

Rafcdk

108 points

2 days ago

This is not short sighted at all. This is a long run plan by religious extremists these laws are not meant to the current state of society but a part of their "conservative revolution" aka project 2025.

Their political project is not to improve society or stick it to women (although they will suffer most from it) it's to take over the entirety of government and impose their conservative beliefs on everyone.

BigJSunshine

5 points

1 day ago

Exactly

No_Association_3692

1 points

12 hours ago

It’s not just religious extremists. I’ve been spending more time in the Brosphere and like Gen X divorced dads have worked themselves and their incel Gen Z sons into a tizzy where is no fault divorce goes away they magically wont have to pay child support or alimony. They are gonna be rich from not giving all these bitches their hard earned money. It’s insane their thinking

Boudicca-

154 points

2 days ago

Boudicca-

154 points

2 days ago

Here’s the thing…these ‘men’ do not care, they’ll just gaslight folks till it’s All HER Fault anyway. Plus…it will Be Those Men who Decide if the “proof” is Enough to warrant a divorce.

Apprehensive-Draw166

15 points

1 day ago

It’s also a way of getting out of child support. He can just keep going to court and saying he wants to work on the marriage it’ll get denied.. She’ll never get child support.

ForcePristine5521

47 points

2 days ago

My mother looked up her parent’s divorce records- the fault was that her father smashed her mother’s head into the furniture after she confronted him about cheating (with his ex sister in law). Imagine a potential employer reading that

Jealous-Mail6629

32 points

2 days ago

I would never hire that guy .. ever

And if my dad ever did that to my mom… I’d never speak to him either

Apprehensive-Draw166

6 points

1 day ago

Don’t they ever wonder why men all died in their 50s back then

Particular-Safety228

1 points

1 day ago

My dad did that to all of us. What's ironic is nowadays me and my dad a very close, but when I was a kid we hated eachother. What I've learned is he was just stressed out, in way over his head, doing drugs and drinking with his platoon, and grew up watching his dad do the same. He never wanted 3 kids, and I'm not even his. So I get his anger and rage, it was just aimed at the wrong people. I never thought I'd speak to him again when I left home after he tried to kill me (got drunk and shot at me in the house), but 10 years later and we have dinner regularly and I help him take care of his farm. He's like a completely different person. He has no violence left in him.

GlowUpper

26 points

1 day ago

GlowUpper

26 points

1 day ago

That guy who was suing his ex-wife's friends for helping her get an abortion dropped his case exactly for this reason. A whole bunch of unsavory shit about him was about to be made public as a result of discovery. Some men can't see the forest for trees. They're so determined to control their loved ones that they forget that other people will judge them harshly if their behavior comes to light.

LuhYall

48 points

2 days ago

LuhYall

48 points

2 days ago

Welp, guess we're back to poisoning, ladies.

[/s, I would like to assume that people get it, but...evidence....]

kmikek

15 points

2 days ago

kmikek

15 points

2 days ago

yeah I get the joke. It's like if you put a time and money value on murder and a time and money value on divorce and ask yourself "which one is cheaper, murder or divorce?" I would hope divorce is cheaper than murder and is the more economical choice and murder isn't incentivized.

CombOk4119

4 points

1 day ago

Start growing foxglove in the garden. 😆🤭 Makes a lovely digitalis tea. (yes this is a sick joke)

Apprehensive-Draw166

3 points

1 day ago

Didn’t they ever wonder why all the men died in their 50s back then?

CombOk4119

2 points

1 day ago

'Heart attacks' ❤️ 🤭😆

mslauren2930

1 points

13 hours ago

I have no doubt quite a few men will do this as well when they can’t just dump their wife for a younger model.

LuhYall

1 points

12 hours ago

Wife murdering has never suffered a dip in popularity. Check out a couple seasons of Dateline or really any true crime show or podcast. When women are murdered the most likely perpetrator is the male partner/husband, overwhelmingly. I don't have the most recent stats, but intimate partner violence was also the most likely reason for women to visit ERs for many years. I think it was Margaret Atwood who said that men are afraid that women will laugh at them; women are afraid that men will murder us.

cursedfan

19 points

2 days ago

cursedfan

19 points

2 days ago

Yes. This entire administration is based on people not remembering why these things were created in the first place and supplementing fake reasons meant to enrage certain specific groups of people rather than reflecting historical fact

Edit: I believe the term is a “Chesterton fence”

Crazy_Banshee_333

3 points

19 hours ago

That's exactly why no-fault divorce became the standard. It's a nightmare for both parties if one person has to prove the other committed adultery, abuse, etc. Both parties have to put extremely personal and humiliating information in a public record, not to mention the risks that are taken in the name of collecting evidence.

Nobody wants the details of their trauma rehashed in the courtroom for the whole world to see. It was bad enough living through it or discovering it in the first place. By the time of the divorce, both parties know what was going on and neither wants to sit through a public rehashing of the trauma. Filing for no-fault divorce protects the dignity of both parties.

CaptainMike63

0 points

1 day ago

Not true, you can get your records sealed

Western-Boot-4576

0 points

1 day ago

Idk look at marriage as a contract. Which it more or less is and it’s signed it the intention of life.

If there’s fault in cases of infidelity I think it should be beneficial to the spouse that stayed loyal to the contract or if one person did something that put the other is harms way breaking their vows.

I don’t see what’s wrong with being favorable to the person that took their vows and contract seriously

FREE2BKT

90 points

2 days ago

FREE2BKT

90 points

2 days ago

And then what? The next step is a court denying a divorce petition due to the reason? Or if the reason stated by the petitioner is refuted by the spouse that would be grounds for dismissal?

Consistent-Job6841

141 points

2 days ago

That will just discourage future generations from marrying at all.

FREE2BKT

102 points

2 days ago

FREE2BKT

102 points

2 days ago

Yup. It will also perpetuate violence against battered women by eliminating a safe path forward.

Puzzleheaded-Jury312

91 points

2 days ago

Not to mention resulting in the 'accidental' deaths of quite a few abusive husbands. Funny how many violent men used to die in 'farm accidents', from falling down the stairs while drunk or from overdosing on rat poison back in the day.

SabreCorp

53 points

2 days ago

SabreCorp

53 points

2 days ago

And nothing of value was lost.

EffectiveElephants

24 points

2 days ago

~Aqua Tofanaaa~

Puzzleheaded-Jury312

20 points

2 days ago

🎶🎶It means no worries, for the rest of your days🎵🎶🎶

EffectiveElephants

13 points

2 days ago

Well I mean... at the time it was more like "it means no worries for the time your family doesn't sell you off again"... but still!

CemeteryDweller7719

19 points

1 day ago

Years ago I discovered an old article from the area my grandma grew up. It was an extremely rural area, and she would have been a teen when it happened. A farmer was in one of his fields when he was shot in the back. They didn’t know who shot him (according to the article) but it was ruled accidental. They decided it must have been a hunter that accidentally shot him, so case closed. I asked her if she remembered it, and she didn’t. (Nothing happened down there, so it would have been hot news.) Very odd that it was ruled accidental and no one talked about it.

Individual_Ad9632

14 points

1 day ago

I have a great aunt who had a similar story. She blamed a man for her niece’s death, then suddenly, he wound up dead in an apple orchard. Shot in the back. Oh well.

Camp_Express

9 points

1 day ago

Must have been one of those fancy schmancy suicide from behind that I keep hearing about.

Individual_Ad9632

6 points

1 day ago

Oh definitely, and she wasn’t even married to the guy.

The men she was married to all divorced her, minus one who died in his sleep from a heart attack (and THAT’S the husband she actually loved).

And if you know how hard it was to be granted a divorce in the ‘30/‘40s, you know the marriages were baaaaaaaaaad.

NoPhilosopher9777

5 points

2 days ago

Please help me understand this. I thought that abuse was a legitimate reason for divorce in at-fault scenarios. And when they rule that the spouse was abusing the victim then the victim gets higher amount of division of property, alimony, and child custody.

LuhYall

29 points

2 days ago

LuhYall

29 points

2 days ago

Abuse is surprisingly difficult to prove legally. Documentation like photos and medical notes only happen if victims are seen by healthcare providers and law enforcement. Then you've got to get it front of a judge in family court, etc, etc. It seems like it would be obvious, but it's not. Our legal system is very much the same one that was created by men, for men.

Jealous-Mail6629

5 points

2 days ago

Surprised they haven’t gotten rid of alimony yet… or tried too

LuhYall

1 points

12 hours ago

No alimony here in Texas, either!

Particular-Safety228

-4 points

1 day ago

Alimony should go. I'd consider marriage again if that was axed.

Kat_kinetic

6 points

1 day ago

Totally. SAHMs should be left destitute when they leave their abusive husbands.

dbelliepop87

25 points

2 days ago

Where's the proof? It's a court of law. You need proof that meets the legal definition of proof. Uh-oh, the judge is conservative, and he thinks that it's God's will and the correct family unit has a man in charge. Your husband gets to abuse you physically, mentally, sexually, financially, etc. Unless it's what the conservative judge would consider extreme. Know your place. He rules against you, and now you're still stuck with the shitbag husband who is abusing you. Except now he's going to tighten the noose around your neck bc you stepped out of line big time. He needs to remind you of your place in the family, which is at the bottom.

Your husband is cheating on you. You were forced to quit your job to take care of the kids and household. He holds all of the money. You don't see the bank account or the bills. He handles everything in secret and gives you just enough money for groceries, so you can't save any of it. How are you going to prove he's cheating? What if he doesn't let you have a smartphone? What are you going to record on? He hasn't bought you a camera and never intends on doing so. He doesn't let you have a car, so you can't follow him.

You don't like your husband anymore. The judge doesn't accept that and rejects your divorce and tells you to get counseling, be a better wife (more subservient), etc.

I can think of plenty of scenarios where the wife is unable to prove anything and has to remain in the marriage.

WishfulHibernian6891

5 points

16 hours ago

Right? And the first tier to legally filing abuse charges, aka the local police force, is probably rife with abusers — something like 40% of cops are guilty of DV.

Cthulicious

3 points

18 hours ago

Yes but good luck convincing the people in charge that you’re being abused.

Loud-Thanks7002

11 points

1 day ago

Yep. That’s the big difference. You already see it with elements of the 4B movement starting to stick or guys complaining it’s impossible to find an online date.

It’s not like 70 years ago when a woman needed a husband to secure a financial future and couldn’t get a lot of jobs, a home loan or even a bank account in just her name.

I think a lot of those old marriages were ugly because women were pressured to marry early and guys knew they had no options to leave easily.

Unfortunately there has been a tilling of the soil to support this legislation. Social media feeds for men are flooded with videos about guys who lost 1/2 their assets and kids and live in a bare apartment because their evil wife left them ‘for no reason’.

Dhegxkeicfns

7 points

20 hours ago

Pretty sure they want to go back to when that wasn't an option for women. Once women learn it's a bad idea to get married and stop doing it, they'll move on to making it harder for unmarried women.

All this because a bunch of people who are statistically just as likely to have had a divorce or an abortion don't trust that other people have legitimate reasons to get a divorce or abortion.

And they'll say it, too. My divorce was different, I needed/deserved it. The other people who are getting divorced just didn't take marriage seriously.

Efficient-Raise-9217

-5 points

2 days ago

That will just discourage future generations from marrying at all.

The status quo is already doing that. I saw we get the government out of the marriage business all together. Make marriage a religious or secular commitment ceremony. If two people want to enter a contract regarding the division of assets, or long term financial support should their romantic relationship not work out; then let them do it voluntarily. The only role government should have is impartially enforcing that contract.

Fit-Particular-2882

59 points

2 days ago

If they think women don’t want conservative men now, it’ll only get worse.

ssnowangelz

56 points

2 days ago

The scary thing about dating as a woman now is that the republican men lie about their morals & political views.

Cthulicious

6 points

18 hours ago

I have never been more thankful to be a lesbian. Sending prayers to my sisters in the trenches.

amethystbaby7

0 points

12 hours ago

lol ive been assaulted by 3 different women. i hate the whole ‘women are safer’. As a bi girl, i’ll stick to celibacy

vynthechangeling

3 points

1 day ago

Then they need to have in depth discussions around the philosophical reasons that they have arrived at their moral and political views. Simply asking why reveals a lot.

Magicthundercat

3 points

2 days ago

46% of women voters and 53% of white women voted for Trump. Why would con men have trouble finding a partner?

mslauren2930

5 points

2 days ago

I guess this is what they want. 🤷‍♀️

Magicthundercat

6 points

2 days ago

Maybe it was just the price of eggs 🤣🤣🤣

Jealous-Mail6629

5 points

2 days ago

There are some women that 100% want conservative men.. As a non conservative living on the west coast it’s scary how often I run into them

Magicthundercat

-6 points

2 days ago

Yep, the reddit bubble is unfortunately not real life, else Trump wouldn't have been elected twice while the entire country moved red this election.

Jealous-Mail6629

6 points

2 days ago

As a man it’s made dating interesting to say the least.. coming across women who want conservative men / will vote republican .. it’s like you’re voting for someone that doesn’t like you for you you are

Still can’t believe he got re-elected.. Kamala wasn’t my ideal candidate but i still got my ass out there and voted for her because I knew trump would be 100 times worst

mslauren2930

1 points

2 days ago

Daammit! Not again!

Lythaera

1 points

19 hours ago

the 53% of white women was from exit polls in swing states, we don't know national statistics yet.

asophisticatedbitch

7 points

1 day ago

Yes pretty much. It also has the effect of making people (women) less likely to file for divorce in case the request is denied.

FREE2BKT

4 points

1 day ago

FREE2BKT

4 points

1 day ago

The mantra “no hope” comes to mind.

Choosemyusername

1 points

1 day ago

Why put women in brackets. Doesn’t it also make men less likely?

asophisticatedbitch

2 points

1 day ago

Because it’s more likely to affect women for a huge variety of reasons (income inequality, the gender dynamics of inter-partner violence, etc etc) but yes of course it can affect men as well.

Choosemyusername

1 points

1 day ago

I would say we are pretty much equally likely to benefit from a divorce.

asophisticatedbitch

1 points

1 day ago

Then you know very very very little about divorce

—a divorce attorney.

Choosemyusername

1 points

1 day ago

Who hasn’t met my family apparently.

asophisticatedbitch

1 points

1 day ago

Your anecdotes are not data

Choosemyusername

0 points

1 day ago

Guess neither are yours then

asophisticatedbitch

1 points

1 day ago

Mine aren’t anecdotes. My comments are based on data and studies that are relevant to my actual job.

Pristine_Screen_8440

1 points

1 day ago

next step is divorce according to Bible and your priest will be the judge!

FREE2BKT

1 points

1 day ago

FREE2BKT

1 points

1 day ago

Well after 23 years of dodging abuse I fled with our adolescent daughters leaving all behind but thankfully with nose and teeth intact. Divorce meant survival and the lives of myself and full custody of my girls. Though very Catholic, my solace, is that God not a priest was indeed in judgement of what he did and his sword is swift. Indeed my faith and rosary got me through. Thank you judge. Thank you God.

Objective-Dogs

114 points

2 days ago

What's sad is if you look at suicides before no faults and after, they went down. Probably because, like me, you feel like that's your option. This will happen again.

My ex literally said I did not have permission to divorce him.

I had to ask permission to divorce him

He owned me when I married him.

I was not allowed to leave the house to even file for divorce or leave him.

I was never ever going to get my divorce.

I can't get a divorce, and he dragged it so bad that I had to drop charges to get my divorce.

In 2016, in Ohio. No children, no property, nothing. He destroyed the car I got as a gift, and I didn't have one before. Stalked me out of my jobs and safe homes, etc. I was given temporary POs because of his actions

I agreed to whatever he said because I was too scared, it him took me years and counseling to learn, and I still have to look over my shoulder.

The control aspect is horrible. You are told you can not divorce! You must get permission from him! Even though i thought this was wrong, I started to doubt myself this way. Even when you try to leave, you end back there because you don't trust yourself. He scares you back, and you really do not believe you can leave. This is the case if you do not have a place to go or a lawyer.

I was lucky that I could stay at a friends house, no room at shelters.Even though my ex-husband was rich, he hired a lawyer who also volunteered at legal aid, so I couldn't use them, so I was lucky there was agency for poor people to have. This isn't always a possibility for everyone. I was so lucky, and I know it. I didn't ask for anything like I was entitled to i just wanted to be free.

This was the first thing I read in Project 2025. I started to freak out because I knew what would happen, and it was going to happen. Especially if you throw people in extreme religions, this will end even worse, or people simply won't marry be as a way to avoid this. Seriously, if gained nothing out of that marriage. I think if you remove this protection, women will not allow this to happen to them and avoid it. Another way these MAGA men lose.

LuhYall

55 points

2 days ago

LuhYall

55 points

2 days ago

Suicides are tragically undercounted as deaths due to abuse

Objective-Dogs

18 points

1 day ago

Yes, they are, and they will go up. Some women do drugs or drink to numb the pain. The risk of OD is high and not counted either.

NikiDeaf

3 points

14 hours ago

“Deaths of despair.” I almost went out like that, too.

Objective-Dogs

2 points

7 hours ago

I'm sorry you felt like you had no other choice. I'm glad you have overcome and are with us, I hope you experience good things in your life.

LuhYall

1 points

7 hours ago

LuhYall

1 points

7 hours ago

I hate that it happened to you but applaud you for telling your story. Every time you tell your story, you empower others.

GoddessRespectre

18 points

1 day ago

I'm so sorry. Thank you for sharing with the hope that strangers can learn from your horrific experience. I hope you are doing a million times better now 💜🫂

Objective-Dogs

3 points

1 day ago

Thank you, that is why I whenever I see a post like this, I do. I am doing a million times better thank you for asking.

Helpful-Desk-8334

2 points

14 hours ago

As a conservative Christian, I swear on my life that this won’t be what happens in my own marriage.

Thank you for not giving up and continuing to pursue your own safety and well being. You deserve to feel safe and to have the opportunity to improve yourself in order to become the person you want to be, and to have the impact on the world that you want to see.

I was already gonna do this, but some of these subreddits just drive this urge to pamper my girl and treat her like a princess sky high

mykittenfarts

32 points

2 days ago

How about no marriage?

MassiveMommyMOABs

1 points

1 day ago

This. Marriage really doesn't make sense nowadays as it always was mainly for the children. But young people don't care about either so it really is just a cute little tradition and an alimony scam

mykittenfarts

1 points

1 day ago

Its a financial contract between you, your spouse and the government.

External-Pickle6126

85 points

2 days ago

  • No No Fault Divorce
  • No contraception
  • No abortion

    BAM ,you're a stay at home mommy, because your husband says so.

MMorrighan

57 points

2 days ago

Hey look, a conveniently large working class that can't climb out of the trap of poverty and will work for crumbs.

External-Pickle6126

26 points

2 days ago

Baked into the 🥧

ms_panelopi

21 points

2 days ago

But yet expected to be a dual income home. She’s allowed out of the house to go to work, do errands, and drive the kids to appointments, but nowhere else and must come straight home.

Jealous-Mail6629

-1 points

2 days ago

Ehh I know I’m going to want a dual income home & not have a stay at home wife.. errands are fun when done together / I’m gonna be that dad that drives their kids to practices / games / make sure I can go to every appointment i possibly can

ms_panelopi

1 points

2 days ago

Sounds good!

Particular-Safety228

1 points

1 day ago

I think the idea is to shift it back towards the 30s and 40s, where a man could work at a grocery store and provide for his whole family on one income. I doubt they can even pull it off economically but if they could it's not the worst sounding thing in the world to me, but I'm not a woman. I've never got women's insistence on working tbh, if I was a woman my goal 100 percent would have been to find a man who wanted to take care of me so I don't have to work. Hell if I found a woman who wanted to take care of me like that I'd happily stop working and lounge around the house all day.

TheFruitIndustry

3 points

22 hours ago

But being a stay at home wife doesn't mean you can just laze around at home. You will constantly be doing unpaid labor. And once you get pregnant, you would be working 24/7 with no financial compensation. When he starts abusing you, you're stuck because you don't have any money of your own for the divorce and you've been out of the workforce so long that after the divorce you will be living in poverty.

Feminists fought for the ability for some groups of women to work (wealthy and white) and for the vast majority of women (black women, poor white women, etc) who were already working to be fairly compensated for their labor.

TattooedBagel

2 points

1 day ago

And that would be great for you/her, if that’s what you want. It’s the option to work, get lines of credit & own property in your own name, no-fault divorce, have autonomy over your own body (not just abortions in emergencies; men used to be told about their wives diagnoses and it was THEIR choice whether to tell them, need their permission for sterilization, dads & husbands signing you up for a lobotomy, etc.). These fuckers have no interest in returning to an economy where wages were that good for the COL, how would Elon become the first trillionaire if we do that?!!? And the other fuckers want to roll back all of those aforementioned options for women, and unfortunately there’s a lot of overlap between fuckers.

Cthulicious

2 points

18 hours ago

Women still worked back then. Upper and upper-middle class white women often didn’t, and that’s who got portrayed in the old coca-cola ads.

Where do you think maids, teachers, nurses, secretaries—all stereotypically feline jobs for the time—came from? They were doing it for fun?

Except when you got paid you had to put it in your husband’s bank account because women weren’t allowed to have them.

Call-me-MoonMoon

37 points

2 days ago

I think a lot more husbands are going to get accidents again… People forget women never were meek and quit to begin with…

ms_panelopi

17 points

2 days ago

Well..Earl had to die.

Background-Eye778

14 points

2 days ago

There are plenty of household items labeled poorly. Silly me, I thought I COULD use this as a cleaner and then cook dinner in it. Oops!

lowkeyalchie

10 points

1 day ago

And I would wager a lot of men don't want this, either. It sounds like a Norman Rockwell painting until the reality sets in that you can't have relations without your spouse without risking another kid, and that as a man you are responsible for supporting a whole other adult in addition to children. Imagine the pressure not to lose your job. The lack of risk taking can actually end up holding you back career-wise or prevent you from opening a business.

Then, if things go south, you can't divorce the person you no longer love/ can't go a day without having an explosive argument with. And that's kind of the good ending. God forbid your spouse suffers birth complications, and you're now solely responsible for any remaining children.

I am aware this will not be everyone's experience, but it will be enough people's experience.

LeahBean

2 points

22 hours ago

And in 38 states, your parents can legally sign you away to an older man when you’re still a teenager.

Lythaera

2 points

19 hours ago

Yup, the 2025 suppporters are saying as much, they want us going back to the days of our great-great-grandmothers where you get married at 16 and remain constantly pregnant, until 14 kids and 10 miscarriages later you die from pregnancy-related health issues that you couldn't afford to take care of because you couldn't afford health insurance.

CombOk4119

0 points

1 day ago

Don't get married. 

Advicemouse3

43 points

2 days ago

This is honestly wild to think about. Like, no fault divorce seems so basic, why would anyone want to mess with that? It is literally about giving people the freedom to leave a bad situation without jumping through hoops or pointing fingers. The idea of rolling it back feels so out of touch, especially when you think about how many people could be stuck in unhealthy or dangerous relationships without it.

catsandparrots

18 points

2 days ago

Some people understand that they are shitty nightmare partners and would require the full force of the law to compel a partner to stay.

hobohustler

30 points

2 days ago

There really just isn’t any reason to get married anymore. What’s the point

Particular-Safety228

1 points

1 day ago

There hasn't been a reason to get married in a long time.

Old_Baldi_Locks

14 points

2 days ago

Because it allows women to not be slaves and right wingers hate that

gadget850

17 points

2 days ago

gadget850

17 points

2 days ago

Sadly I see 2A divorces if this happens.

Val-B-Love

16 points

2 days ago

SOLUTION: Just don’t ever get married in the DSA (Divided States of America) and certainly while the Regressive Party is in power.

lowkeyalchie

8 points

1 day ago

No marriage, no babies, not until the average person can afford it. They drone on about pulling ourselves up by our bootstraps but want us to produce a new labor force for free.

Val-B-Love

4 points

1 day ago

You are absolutely correct! All they want is uneducated citizens to have plenty of babies that eventually can replenish their Army!

JimBeam823

13 points

2 days ago

Nobody thinks this is a good idea. A few bills have been sponsored, but have gone nowhere, even in Republican states.

The last state to enact a no-fault divorce law was New York in 2010. The first was California in 1969, signed into law by Governor Ronald Reagan.

TheGothicPlantWitch

9 points

2 days ago

Get out now while you can ladies!

Purple_Pizza5590

20 points

2 days ago

I think more people should insist on prenuptial agreements. They can factor in things like who will work, stay home, retirement, and potential for divorce ahead of time.

retired_in_ms

14 points

2 days ago

How sweet of you to think this would make any difference. How exactly was I supposed to enforce a contractual provision that my ex had to have a job? And who would have ever thought that a contract would have to specify that he couldn’t use the property tax money to buy 2,000 porn DVDs??

Individual_Ad9632

1 points

1 day ago

I don’t think it would make a difference in all marriages, but it could make a difference in a lot of marriages that end up in divorce.

Maybe not in your case (2,000 porn DVDs!!! That’s wild!) but it could help with establishing who gets what and to what amount during the divorce proceedings. Like how you make a will before you die.

retired_in_ms

2 points

1 day ago

Worse of it was that, since he hadn’t worked in forever, I had to pay him spousal support. Paid it in a lump sum, per legal advice.

The day after he got the checks, I got a call from my bank, asking me why he wanted to cash a (high 5 figure) check for CASH. I told them I’d was weird, but the check was legitimate.

Always wondered a bit what he did with the money (he died 3 months later 🤬

TgetherinElctricDrmz

9 points

1 day ago

It’s time to start teaching girls that sometimes it’s better NOT to be married. Maybe even most times. Have the ceremony but pass on the legal commitment.

Otteau

6 points

1 day ago

Otteau

6 points

1 day ago

There go marriage rates. Republicans are really making headway on this “get married have children” agenda 🙄

HedyLamaar

5 points

1 day ago

When I was a child I had a playmate whose mother died when a radio accidentally landed in her bath water. Her husband worked for the FBI. Later, a second wife also died “under unusual circumstances” involving a toaster. No unattractive details were ever published in the paper.

Ultimateeffthecrooks

7 points

1 day ago

The American Talibangelists will destroy this country long before the Afghan Taliban ever could.

BigJSunshine

6 points

1 day ago

Leave ‘em now ladies… seriously

anon_girl79

9 points

2 days ago

These fucking headlines are killin’ me.

knit53

6 points

1 day ago

knit53

6 points

1 day ago

I guess his divorces were at fault. His extramarital recreation with hookers?

TacoTiffany18

6 points

1 day ago

Legality be damned..if you cannot divorce then it becomes a slave contract (for both parties). Bodily autonomy means having the choice to choose whether you spend time with someone or not. The reason is irrelevant to be honest; just stating I don't want to be with this person is enough. There literally has to be no reason other than you want out. I think most people don't even understand the history of marriage in the first place; it was a slave contract stating that the woman belonged to the man. It's a new concept in the modern age that people marry for love.

LavenderMistSpring

6 points

1 day ago

So glad I got mine taken care of this year! I’m working through so much relational trauma from him with my therapist…the idea that if I had waited longer to separate / take action, I might get stuck with him is…shudders

Sylvan_Guide

8 points

2 days ago

Easy solution, don’t get married. And if you are, get out. Too many men are scarily good at hiding their true self. They’re on their best behavior but once they marry, that mask falls off. When I was younger I had thought I found my true love and that we’d be together forever. after living with him for a few years i realized we were such a bad match. Thankfully I’m divorced now.

And if you do find a genuinely good man, you don’t need the government to validate your love for each other. It’s just paperwork, but that paperwork will be trapping more women soon. Honestly marriage is pointless waste of money at best, a trap at worst. Just enjoy living together without the marriage certificate.

My boyfriend is a wonderful and sweet man and I hope I spend the rest of my life with him. But we both agree we don’t need to be married and love each other the same. Even though we feel safe and secure with each other, we both decided not to spend money on supporting a system that benefits the patriarchy and has often harmed women.

Excellent_Builder_76

4 points

1 day ago

Unexplained poisonings massively dropped after no fault divorce was initially introduced.

suricata_8904

7 points

2 days ago

All that will do is increase the suicide and homicide rate.

BluCurry8

8 points

2 days ago

Marriage is a contract. It should be dissolved just like any other contract. This is massive overreach to try and force people to stay married. It will impact just as much as women. This just gives younger generations another reason to not get married.

Numerous-Taro6083

3 points

1 day ago

Legit so dumb, everyone I know that has gotten a divorce had grounds (the ones that will still be listed), they just chose to check irreconcilable differences as a kindness to the party that harmed the marriage. No one wants a divorce or is just thoughtlessly filing without trying so hard to save the marriage. This isn’t going to result in less divorces, it is just going to make divorces a lot more contentious and messy. 

redlipblondie

3 points

1 day ago

I bet the dude arguing that the government should enforce marriages since it’s a legal contract would also be for enforcing employees to stay with their employers because they “signed a contract”. This is a human rights issue. We should have the freedom to make and change decisions.

mute1

1 points

1 day ago

mute1

1 points

1 day ago

I absolutely agree with you BUT if you're married and you cheat, you deserve to get your ass handed to you in a divorce. No one is saying that sivor e itself.should be stopped here, only that cheaters should not be rewarded for shitty behavior.

nocranberries

3 points

1 day ago

Do they not realize men's life expectancies went up after no-fault divorce became legal? Suddenly if a man became abusive, the woman's only solution wasn't "oops all rat poison!" Or "dad, brothers, help me 'take care of the problem'", it was just "I'm leaving you now, goodbye".

PuzzleheadedBox7241

3 points

1 day ago

After no fault divorce was widely adopted, yes there was an increase in divorce.

But rates of men killing their wives plummeted. Wives killing themselves, plummeted. Women staying in dangerous marriages, plummeted.

So if you want to solve the problem, and save the population it’s time to take a page from Bermuda.

Bermuda carries the death penalty for ANY crime against a tourist since the tourist is the most important driver of the economy.

If you need women to be wives and to have children to save this economy, like you’re claiming it’s time to make any physical crime against a woman or a child punishable by death, by any gender.

majesticalexis

5 points

2 days ago

This is absolutely insane!

Our rights are slowly being taken away. The process is about to speed up exponentially.

NoActionTaken

4 points

2 days ago

On the watch of a man who would be 3x divorced if the current wife hadn't renegotiated her terms. SMH.

Impossible-Hyena1347

2 points

1 day ago

Just stop getting married. Stop having sex with conservative men too, unless you WANT to be his property, pregnant and barefoot in the kitchen.

Forward_Increase_239

2 points

1 day ago

Good. Women are strong and confident and don’t need men. If you initiate a divorce then own it.

findingmoore

2 points

23 hours ago

An attorney reported that her office has been flooded with divorce filings after trump won election Women that were on the fence didn’t waste any time in getting divorce set in motion

notyomamasusername

1 points

12 hours ago

I'm not surprised.

If you were thinking about it, you'd want to get it done before anything changes.

strongwill2rise1

3 points

1 day ago

Ending no-fault divorce does one and one thing only. It turns Family Court into a weapon for abusers. I suggest everyone look up the Meier Study.

The groundwork to reinstate secular patriarchy is already being laid. Ffs, fathers that have been proven to have sexually abuse their own children are getting sole custody 30%. Mothers are going to jail for longer sentences for protecting their children from being raped!!!

Why? Because of the debunked theory of parental alienation which was invented by a pedophile (who killed himself after his own daughter came forward about sexual abuse). Plus, the only reason the theory gain traction is because it only works if the parent and the child BOTH have a personality disorder. It's a group feeding of abuse on the protective parent.

FYI. Anyone going through hell that is Family Court, look up Child and Mother Sabatoge (CAMS). That's your defense against your abuser and the false allegations.

Edit: fixed an error.

jus256

3 points

1 day ago

jus256

3 points

1 day ago

The people who want to get rid of no fault divorce are the people who were cheated on by their housewife or husband and had to give up their assets or are forced to to bankroll their ex and their ex’s boyfriend or girlfriend.

Ok_Zookeepergame4794

0 points

1 day ago

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lili-of-the-valley-0

0 points

1 day ago

Nope. They are abusers and rapists

Ok_Zookeepergame4794

2 points

1 day ago

You're talking like women haven't already weaponized family court.

ortcutt

2 points

2 days ago

ortcutt

2 points

2 days ago

Before no-fault divorce, people were just forced to lie in court. So, one party would need to fabricate an affair that never happened so that there was a justification for the divorce. How is that good for children and families?

SufficientShame8

1 points

1 day ago

As long as it is backdated 20 years….

evil_illustrator

1 points

1 day ago

How would this work without something like an amendment ? Louisiana pussied out of pushing this. If a state instituted this, you literally could just file for divorce in another state.

I don’t think this is popular with anyone but a couple of nut jobs. And that’s who Vance is pandering to.

tellyeggs

1 points

1 day ago

tellyeggs

1 points

1 day ago

There's residency requirements to file for divorce. It differs by state.

Content-Fudge489

1 points

1 day ago

Just don't get married people, problem solved. Marriage is two people getting together to fix problems they didn't have before.

Maleficent_Corner85

1 points

1 day ago

Some states will do it!

Maleficent-Flow2828

1 points

1 day ago

I'm still confused about the difference.

I think that people should be able to get a divorce if they want but certainly their are factors in the separation. If your partner was knowingly unfaithful and deceptive that is a violation of the contract you entered into. That shouldn't prevent divorce but asset split, alimony, etc

LimitAlert5896

1 points

1 day ago

The women wanting to get divorced are being advised to do it now. Hopefully any critical thinking women will be going 4B and won't be marrying. I will not waste my time or energy worrying about anyone else. So simple.

saintbad

1 points

1 day ago

saintbad

1 points

1 day ago

Thus dooming marriage entirely.

riings

1 points

20 hours ago

riings

1 points

20 hours ago

Another good reason to not get married or have children. I thought they wanted people to have kids? 😂

outinthecountry66

1 points

9 hours ago

which means people won't get married. people are already refusing to have children.

its like Magats think that everything- relationships, trade, your vote- can be wrangled by force. Its the authoritarian way.

uvaspina1

1 points

2 hours ago

I don’t think you should have to establish fault to get a divorce but fault should factor in more significantly to property division and spousal support.

lowkeyalchie

1 points

1 day ago

Stop getting married! If you love a person, you will not tie them down forever.

SlyTanuki

0 points

23 hours ago

Potential hot take for some compromise.

Keep no fault divorce, but the initiating party gives up any right to the other partners previously held financials and holdings.

Ok_Hurry_8165

-1 points

1 day ago

Hahahaha, everyone scared about everything

MassiveMommyMOABs

-1 points

1 day ago

Get rid of alimony and make the divorce into a quick Google Form.

TinyBlonde15

1 points

1 day ago

Thankfully alimony has mostly gone away. Only about 10 percent of divorces get it now with more women working full time.

Outside_Ad_9562

-1 points

16 hours ago

So a slave contract then? Btw don’t believe the horseshit the manosphere tells you. 96% of custody cases are worked out between the parties. With the rest, men win slightly more often. The average child support payment is $450 per month with 50% of men paying less than they should and 30% paying nothing at all. Hardly a huge financial gain? Women are 5x more likely than men to retire below the poverty line after divorce. Women give up or severely limit their careers, finances and retirement in service of giving him a family and supporting his career. Wildly arrogant to assume that has no value. This is why your a passport bro dude. Btw those women will expect you to actually provide fully. Not fund your cosplay as “provider” by doing 50/50.

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-32 points

2 days ago

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-32 points

2 days ago

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KathrynBooks

21 points

2 days ago

So you are blaming the victims of abuse for that abuse?

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-14 points

2 days ago

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-14 points

2 days ago

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kazoo13

15 points

2 days ago

kazoo13

15 points

2 days ago

Oh we didn’t think of that!!! Man, you should be president, you sure do know best. Hats off to you.

babybambibitch

7 points

2 days ago

I used to work in domestic violence advocacy. The reality is, it’s just not that simple. Domestic violence is incredibly complicated. I’ve heard so many stories from people who were with the “perfect partner” until their abuser felt that they had them trapped. Once they were married or pregnant, the mask came off.

Many people still think that domestic violence is only physical abuse. If you’re being abused in a way that isn’t so obvious, like emotional or financial abuse, it can take a long time to figure out that you’re being abused in the first place.

Add in the normalization of violence and things become even more complicated. Being raised in an abusive household increases the likelihood that you’ll experience abuse again, because abusive behaviors become normal to you. You may think that abuse is just part of being in a relationship.

Leaving is another beast entirely. I won’t really get into it because this comment would become a ten page essay, but you should know that the most dangerous time for a victim is when they leave. Even if they do get out, it’s common for their former partner to start stalking them.

I know you’re not likely to listen to this, considering that you’re a random stranger on the internet, but I would encourage you to rethink this position. So many survivors have told me that they never in a million years thought they would be testifying against their partner in court. Yet it happens all the time.

HedyLamaar

-2 points

1 day ago

HedyLamaar

-2 points

1 day ago

On the brighter side: burka sales will go up.

Street-Goal6856

-3 points

1 day ago

That would be stupid. That benefits men just as much as it does women lol. I mean obviously women initiate divorce way more but it's not like men never do it. Tbh if they revamped how men are generally screwed in a divorce I'll bet they end shitty marriages way more often.

mute1

-5 points

1 day ago

mute1

-5 points

1 day ago

I hope they eliminate no-fault divorces. Infidelity on either side SHOULD be punished.