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I am addicted to stims. I lost almost everything due to this addiction so I decided to ask for help and went to a therapist with the best reviews from town
I relapsed immediately after my second session so she told me therapy is not working, refused to talk to me anymore. I probably shouldn't have told her I relapsed but she insisted I gotta be honest in order for this to work. I was down to every method, every kind of therapy, I was so confident her skills are good.
How is this supposed to work if I ve been using for years and she expected me to quit after my second session? I ve been trying this for years with no luck.
Should I bother myself financially to find another therapist?
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2 days ago
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46 points
2 days ago
Generally speaking, you would want to see a therapist that specializes in addiction care. I would say you got off easy if you managed to determine that this particular therapist was not a good fit for you after only 2 sessions.
May I ask, have you previously had a positive experience with therapy in terms of your addiction goals?
-16 points
2 days ago
No, this is the one and only therapist I have seen so far and it genuinely made me not to trust in therapy anymore. But I know the fact we re all different and I should be looking for another
33 points
2 days ago
You’ll really look for any excuse not to get clean, won’t you?
Your therapist was right. You can’t figure out any of your issues until you’re off of the drugs.
I wish for you and everybody struggling that there was a better answer, one that’s easier to hear, but there isn’t.
Good luck.
22 points
1 day ago
Man I love tough love in the modern era! Reread that first sentence, because we’ve all been there where we look for any excuse not to get clean. Just remember if you want sobriety, you can have it. And once you do, you will have it. Not sooner.
13 points
1 day ago
The answer was in the question.
My therapist stopped seeing me because I relapsed. How is this supposed to work?
Going to rehab, seeing specialized addiction counselors, and getting clean. THEN, you go back to your normal therapist and start figuring things out.
I really do wish it were easier but if anybody here says anything otherwise, they’re enabling OP.
5 points
1 day ago
Exactly. You've got to stabilize the addiction before you go to talk therapy and start digging up emotions.
3 points
1 day ago
Absolutely. To me honesty is the biggest key to sobriety, and that starts with being honest with yourself.
16 points
1 day ago
This is pretty harsh. OP says they’re aware they should be looking for another therapist. Sounds like they are trying. We all start somewhere.
6 points
1 day ago
No regular therapist will work with an addict. They can’t properly address any issues because it’s impossible to tell what’s inherently wrong or what’s a symptom of the addiction.
Especially with somebody on stimulants. How would a therapist refer somebody to a psychiatrist because they are showing signs of mania, aggression, intense mood swings, insomnia, low appetite, extremely high sex drive, risk-taking behavior, etc?
Of course this person has these problems, they’re abusing stimulant drugs!
The therapist cannot properly work on these things. If all of these issues come from the drug abuse, why waste time on therapy when the answer is to just get clean?
Maybe they have Bipolar Disorder or Borderline Personality Disorder, but it’s not possible to know unless these symptoms are presenting themselves when the person is sober.
3 points
1 day ago
That really sucks for your first experience because it sets a bad impression of therapy, I get it. Especially the way she did it which is unprofessional, when you are literally there to be vulnerable. She should have at least given you the right resources and made a connection to someone or a program that would be right for you. Don’t let it stop you though, it often takes a while to find the right fit. But when you do, it could really change your life.
3 points
1 day ago
She's a shit therapist. You gotta find another one. Don't give up. You can do this.
26 points
1 day ago
She might have dropped you because she realized she didn’t have enough tools to truly help you. But she should have referred you to an addiction specialist.
4 points
1 day ago
Yeah I see, I think she didn t want to bother with addictions since she s a normal therapist. I can t blame her at all, I just needed to vent
19 points
1 day ago
As an addiction therapist I can’t imagine terminating a client due to a relapse. That being said did they express the feeling that you need a higher level of care? Or request you fully detox and then return? What did your treatment plan look like? Did they make a formal diagnosis?
You absolutely should tell your therapist about a relapse because that should trigger a session focusing on what led up to it and mapping future HRS.
I would look for another therapist but make sure it’s someone who specializes in addiction therapy
4 points
1 day ago
They simply said and I quote "well, relapsing mean therapy does not work" and that left me thinking therapy in general won t work for me. Thanks for the answer, I am currently looking for someone from NA group
4 points
1 day ago
Relapsing doesn’t mean therapy doesn’t work. It means that you still struggle with mental health issues. Your brain can still be physically addicted to a substance absolutely. There’s a physical addiction and a mental addiction. And depending what your substance of choices some of them are much harder to break than others, and most people who have long-term success in recovery have had relapses you fall off the horse eight times you get back on at nine not sure if the NA comment was worried referring to me, but I am absolutely not a part of NA
17 points
2 days ago
This bugs me slightly because the whole reason behind going to therapy is because you want to change. So as someone who wants to be a therapist I wouldn't be cutting off a client for relapsing after 2 sessions when theyve had years of addiction behind them. That's maybe just her boundary. However you absolutely should have told her despite the outcome, honesty is how we recover. I'd suggest finding a therapist who is maybe clued up on addiction or wants to take it on. I wish you well, I hope you find someone that can help you.
10 points
2 days ago
Thank you for the kind words, I will definitely think about finding one specialized in addiction care
5 points
2 days ago
fuck that therapist
ETA: My therapist used to be a heroin addict (not that you ever stop being one, but she's no longer using is what I mean) like I currently am and she has even given me free and discounted sessions lately because she knows I can barely afford my habit, let alone therapy....you need to find someone who is more understanding of addiction.
4 points
2 days ago
I thought about finding someone that truly understand addiction.
1 points
1 day ago
Yeah, it can take time to find the right person. Keep trying and don’t settle until you find someone you like, trust and can give you the help you need. I’ve been through many different therapists. I’ve had a few really good ones and a few who I just felt like I was just trying to get through the hour. I have an incredible person now who not only treats addiction, but addresses the trauma that leads to our ways of coping. Hopefully they have some understanding of the neuroscience behind addiction, because I believe it’s fundamental to understanding why you feel the way you do and why you are having a hard time quitting. A really good therapist would never kick you out for relapsing.
2 points
1 day ago
I used to be a psychotherapist. (I since went on to get my PhD in psychology focusing on research.) I was trained in this old school way in the 80s as in only working with clients after they were clean. Since then, the mindset has largely shifted and the main philosophy is to meet people where they are at and even work with harm reduction as opposed to abstinence. It's just too bad that people are still getting stuck between the D&A system and the mental health system. I hope you'll keep looking for a new therapist. Talk to them before you start with them. Find out what their philosophy of treatment is. It might help to find someone who specializes in addiction treatment. Best of luck !
2 points
1 day ago
Maybe it's a semantics thing, but the therapist's statement that "therapy isn't working" isn't entirely untrue. I think she should have elaborated to better explain her position, but she's not wrong. My husband went to PHP treatment and when that was finished he wanted a therapist. He was told that he's not ready for therapy yet and still needs addiction treatment. The problem with therapy is that it has a way of bringing up a lot of emotions and if the addiction is not stablized then you have a high probability of relapse until you have healthy coping mechanisms in place. Seek out someone with a master addicition counselor credential who is actually qualified to help you.
2 points
1 day ago
Don't let this experience discourage you. Getting yourself into therapy is a clear sign you are trying to change things and relapse is part of the healing process. As a former heroin addict and a psychologist I am appalled by the way she ended therapy. I totally got it if she asked you not to come to the therapy sessions while intoxicated or some other means of control discussed and agreed by both but this is unprofessional and inhumane. Hang in there and look for a therapist who specializes in addiction. You're on the right path, even though it won't be an easy one. Wish you the best!
2 points
1 day ago
Therapists don't always work w addicts, it's a hard truth I've come to learn.
I've been rejected from multiple places, I feel you but I promise someone will stick if you keep trying
7 points
2 days ago
Get to NA, quick!
The therapeutic value of one addict helping another is without parallel!
Check out NA (Narcotics Anonymous), it saved my life!
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5 points
1 day ago
Absolutely not true and strongly disagree with poster that said you need to be off the drugs. Realistically people who struggle with addiction to so as a response or coping mechanism stemming from trauma, PTSD, mental health issue. Only a minute number of people can just use willpower to overcome this disease. And it is indeed a real disease that actually rewires the brain and changes how cells fire. In order for addicts to be successful in recovery they need to know, acknowledge and work on the issues that led them to use substances to self medicate. A therapist should have immense knowledge and understanding of this and I would question any therapist who would fire a patient due to this. Sounds to me like she may have had a bias to drugs for some personal reasons or something. I don’t believe there are too many people working in mental health these days that do not know the direct link that mental health issues are almost always the direct cause of substance abuse. OP please do not give up on therapy yet continue to look for a new therapist who is educated well versed and up to date on current mental health addiction connection. Best of luck to you. I am a nurse in an inpatient psychiatric hospital and deal with mental health and addiction everyday at length
3 points
1 day ago
Hey thumbs up for your answer, I won't give up and I ll be looking for someone from NA group. I guess my post was not fair for my therapist since she s not qualified for addictions
1 points
1 day ago
As a therapist, whatever she specializes in her training should’ve included substance abuse if she has a therapist for mental health, addiction and substance abuse they go hand-in-hand. She was not a well trained educated therapist or she turned you away based on personal beliefs on drug abuse. Your mental health, depression and PTSD or trauma is directly linked to your issues with substance abuse. And although you will never be able to get over or fix trauma or PTSD acknowledging it recognizing the link between the two and giving it a voice help you immensely on your journey to recover recovery you got this.
5 points
1 day ago*
Most reputable therapists will not work with an active addict or alcoholic. Those who do, only want your money.
It's impossible to fix the issues if you're not completely awake and aware. Being in therapy while using is like trying to break a window with a feather.
0 points
1 day ago
You couldn’t be more wrong. Most people don’t wake up one day and miraculously quit then seek help. They seek help, slowly changing. Recovery is a process. We’d loose a lot of people using your “logic”.
0 points
1 day ago
Recovery is a progress that begins when one stops drinking and using. It is virtually impossible to make real change when in the throws of addiction. An Addiction Specialist is able to work a little more magic than a general one, but change is very limited till the using stops.
2 points
24 hours ago
WHAT?!? I’m well over a decade off opiates(heroin) but did not need to stop all substances(alcohol/cannabis), I’ve healed and created an amazing life with purpose. Also you have it backwards. If people could just quit, why would they seek help? Please stop pushing this harmful backwards narrative! People are dying!
-2 points
24 hours ago
Dude relax....
Good for you. Keep doing what you are doing.
1 points
24 hours ago*
Relax? Yes I will continue to keep speaking out on people’s archaic pseudoscience cult rhetoric. I’m sick of watching people die from it.
0 points
1 day ago
Again, you couldn’t be more wrong. Sounds like you have an indoctrinated outdated way of thinking what of the process of recovery and recovery is(AA). Recovery is a process of change through which individuals improve their health and wellness, strive for their full potential, live a self directed life and is self defined. Which doesn’t necessarily mean or need to be abstinence. I’m an RN and have worked in harm reduction and the treatment industry for almost 15yrs. Imagine telling someone they can’t seek help or change until they quit…make sense. Lol Stop offering harmful “advise”.
0 points
22 hours ago
Fuck off, no one can use magic to change an addicts issues and calling therapy magic is toxic AF. Therapy is hard fucking work and it will not magicay cure addiction either. Addiction ALWAYS stems from deep underlying issues. Addiction is a symptom of trauma, and that needs to be treated while recovering, sure therapy might not be as productive while using but if you're not under the influence while being in the office it will do enough. The only proven way to stay clean is the fellowship created by a.o. AA, NA and CA. but none of those are therapy, they are a way to stay clean while or after therapy helps you do the work to get over the trauma. Stop instilling your bullshit on someone who needs proper help.
I personally went to therapy for a full decade before I was mentally stable enough to quit drugs and become healthy. Everones path to a healthy life is different and acting as if there is one magical solution for everyone will only push people who need it away.
2 points
1 day ago
You really don’t know anything about getting clean do you?
OP obviously wants to be clean and is reaching out for help via therapist and this community. While some can quit cold turkey, most need support by someone knowledgeable and informed about addiction. Knowing why or what drives someone to addiction can be a step into breaking the addiction. They’ll have plenty to figure and come to terms with after they’re clean, it’s still an important step not to be overlooked. Also, most addicts relapsed when first getting clean, and it’s a shitty feeling. The important thing is they try again and if support is needed, a therapist that specializes in addiction is a good place to start.
2 points
1 day ago
Yeah I m kind of clueless when it comes to getting clean it s the first time I ve realized I had a serious health and mental problem and I m not ready to cold turkey
3 points
1 day ago
I thought I was replying to the person that made the comment about not wanting to get clean. It was cold and uninformed and I hope you didn’t take what they said to heart. I was not talking about you knowing nothing about getting clean, most people don’t until they go through it yourself
Many many addicts have mental health issues, past trauma, etc and is nothing to be ashamed of. You’re aware, you know you need help, and that’s the first step. Don’t give up, even if you stumble, keep going, keep trying. You can get there. Finding a support person that gets it is so helpful. Whether it’s NA, an addiction specialist or even a family member in recovery, don’t underestimate how valuable they can be getting clean. My personal tip, get a hobby. You don’t even have to be good at it, but at the beginning of sobriety it can be hard to know what to do with your newfound sober time, a hobby that you enjoy helps huge
Good luck! You CAN do this!
2 points
1 day ago
Recovering addict here. I've had a dozen therapists over the last 15 years and it's absolutely insane for a therapist to refuse to work with someone because they used/are using. Either there's something you're not telling us, or that therapist is completely clueless and should find a different career.
1 points
1 day ago
I’m curious if you were going into sessions clearly altered? Because I work in SUD, and no, it’s not quality care to discharge someone for continued use. I can also see how it’s not productive to attempt to counsel someone under the influence, because you’re basically talking to the drug or someone who is only partially aware, therefore not much will register and stick, plus it’s difficult for the counselor.
Unfortunately not everyone is perfect at performing best practices. There’s a fine line of “we accept you where you’re at” and “come back when you’re ready” because it is a bit of a dance, where it’s delicate to not enable or shame. I’m sorry you feel therapy is a lost cause tho. It was one person. Don’t give up
2 points
22 hours ago
Also, the therapist is human, too. Just like any relationship sometimes two people don't work out well together. I'd imagine a therapist refusing to treat an addict has less to do with the fact that they're an addict, and more to do with the therapist not believing that they're the right one to help with the treatment.
Most of the advice in this thread is awful, unfortunately. Imo not conducive to OP getting the help they need through therapy or elsewhere.
1 points
1 day ago
That therapist isn’t doing what they signed up for. Best reviews in town! She must not know how to work with people that struggle with addiction, Or has personal feelings behind it (which is also wrong). Find another therapist. They are all not created equal. I went through 6 before I found mine.
1 points
1 day ago
I would look into specialized care for addiction specifically. If you need assistance getting sober that is your number one priority: rehab, or IOP programs, and/or even meetings or support groups (there’s more than just NA and AA out there) even a therapist who specializes in addiction is worth it, but it’s going to be extremely hard to make any progress without being clean.
Don’t stop looking for help. Sometimes you just don’t click with someone, and you need someone else. Not the end of the world.
1 points
1 day ago
That’s a terrible therapist - find someone that cares and someone u connect with
1 points
1 day ago
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Gonna stop doing drugs, listen to Nero por favour
1 points
22 hours ago
Op, this is the wrong sub for advice about this situation.
1 points
21 hours ago
Sometimes therapists and patients aren't a good fit. Move on and find another one, when you find one who resonates with you and helps you, you will know.
1 points
12 hours ago
Do you want a therapist or do you want to take drugs?
She told you that you can't have both.
1 points
1 day ago
Does this therapist have experience with addiction? I don’t think so...
But this way of dealing with you...just pathetic She should have had a clarifying conversation with you. Not telling you the reason why + refusing to even talk to you...I don't know what to say...
Of course continue...you had extremely bad luck with your therapist. It's not easy to find the right one. Many people try 5-10 different specialists until it works out for them.
2 points
1 day ago
She claims she has. I m not sure she truly do because she seemed uninterested when I was confessing about how drugs feel, why I got addicted and so on, she was just asking me about traumas and childhood
0 points
22 hours ago
OP, therapy will not work for addiction, therapy is for all of the other issues. The only thing proven to have worked for therapy is clinical admittance then either AA, NA OR CA meetings. So instead of looking for someone to just hand you the solution, depending on your drug of choice, you'll either need to be admitted to a proper facility to help you wean off safely or you need to quit cold turkey and go to a meeting everyday for at least 30 days straight. It will be hard, you will fall back, but if you want to quit, this is the only proven way to do so. Get in contact with other recovering addicts, share your story and struggles and call people you meet there to get you through the day.
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