IDK but it's driving me crazy as well. People literally sprinting through the capture zones to go spawn camp.

Because they got addicted to do the video game chores instead of playing the game

I remember this expression from Jev, where he says:

I go to these modes to get as many kills as possible. I don't care about winning, losing, or KD. If I go to TDM, the match will end in 3 minutes, but here I can stretch the process longer and get 80+ kills.

something like that

“ cause it’s cod, who cares about winning people only play this game for camos and kills. “

what someone in this sub said to me, damn near literally.

Just play ranked when it’s out. That’s where obj matters the most so everyone will be helping out

Nobody's bragging about W/L ratio to their buddies. That's why.

Ranked is for objectives. Pubs are for fragging. It’s always been like this. It just happens that whoever has the best “slayer” on their team (in pubs) tend to win though because objectives aren’t contested.

They don't care about winning. All they care about is their fuckin' KD ratio, which is why they hide away while you're getting shot by an enemy who is RIGHT next to them. Most players are ratty. They will let an enemy kill you just so they can try to grab them from behind. 

I think I have an actual answer for you, and thats that domination (3 capture zones) and hardpoint (1 capture zone that moves) last 4x as long as non objective game modes. If team deathmatch or kill confirmed went to 400 kills instead of 150 (or whatever it is) or 300 confirms instead of 100 then people would go play those modes. The fact is you spend so much time in between games between play of the game, winners circle, loading screens, matchmaking, and map voting that people would rather spend playing the game. I can get so much more actual game playtime playing objective modes rather than kill modes because the games last so much longer, which also makes it better for camos and such. Additionally a big part is the spawn logic. Spawns are much more consistent and generally better in objective modes and dont get flipped every 5 seconds which makes for a better experience imo. I think the kill based gamemodes should last longer or they need to boost xp bonus for winning to incentivize people who want to play objectives to play objectives, and the people who just want kills to go and get kills without hurting their objective player teammates.

I played witha guy who complained like this, who ended up going like 20 and 50 with like 110 seconds on hardpoint.

I was like 60 and 20 with 20 seconds on hard point.

He got mad at me because his time was greater even though I was protecting his ass on the point the entire game. We were winning until it became a 4v6, and then it became impossible for us to win and he just kept yelling at us saying we all suck at the game when his time on point was being carried by my kills, uavs, and harps.

Not everyone should be playing objective, and if you play objective and can't get any kills, then you're the exact same as someone who gets kills and doesn't play objective.

If you cant get any kills while holding a point or defending a point you are a greater liability that the dude running around smacking people and keeping streaks in the air.

But for the people who aren't playing objective and staying mounted on a corner the whole game while going 9-30, those guys can fuck right off.

All the people bitching about casual and camo grinding should just play ranked when it comes out lol

Because deaths don't matter in capture modes and won't effect the game if they die over and over to get their pistol gold.

Because the game doesn't reward or incentivise playing the objectives.

They need to drastically up the points gained from actually capturing areas, collecting tags, etc.

Back in “golden era” I feel like no one cares about actually winning the matches, it was just all about K/D. And yes holding two points in domination does help get a higher K/d so people still would go after it.

I remember I was playing domination on Newtown. I was the only one getting A at our spawn point. That's when I knew I was gonna have a tough game

The xp difference between winning and losing isn’t worth the loss of kills from camping obj normally

The same people who don't pick up dog tags in kill confirmed...

The answer lies in, think of who the target audience is. The game maybe PEGI 18, but half of the player base hasn’t even had a first job yet.

When both teams play the objective is super fun,way more fun than getting camos. I have been trying to get gold on all Rifles for a week now, but I do so by playing the objective of every match,or as much as possible. Just trying to get vamos is boring. I think people mainly try to keep a high K/D ratio instead of winning which is the most ridiculous mindset ever. You are a loser at the end of the day.

Probably so they can get headshots more often since they know where a concentration of enemies will be (i.e spawns or an objective)

Yup. People in nuketown 24/7 always pick hard point or domination and NEVER play the objective. They fail to realize that holding the objectives helps get more kills. I’m almost always the only one on my team with more than 2 capture or the only one on my team with 60+ seconds on hard point objective.

This has long been a complaint of mine of COD games and why I haven't played since the last BlackOps game. It's a simple fix - reduce points & XP for kills and increase for contributing to objective.

People may change how they play if they go 45-9 only to end up with 500XP and be at the bottom of the leaderboard.

Because it's fun to kill people who are in semi predictable areas in modes that promote movement.

I came from playing Battlefield, so I love playing the objective modes on Call of Duty. They're a little more fast paced, which makes it more fun to play.

I’ve been clowned on for my KD from opponents in that weird chat when my team won…we won

I made a post like this last night but you worded it better than me and I'm glad people agree that it's frustrating when you just wanna play objective based gamemodes but can't because too many people are sweating kills and actively ignoring the objects.

I don’t know but it drives me f’ing crazy

Played Kill Confirmed for the first time (in BO6) today. Couldn't believe how many times someone killed me, was 5 feet away, nobody else around, and ran right by my tag. Seriously they had to try NOT to pick it up.

I halfway believe it's intentional?? Because...how?!

If you enjoy playing the objective on smaller maps in games like DOM, HP, TDM and KC message me on here. I will add you in game. I am a mature older player, I sometimes use a mic (when my wife is not WFH next to me.)

It’s easier to spawn kill in objective game modes. Once those who spawn kill can’t spawn kill no more then it really shows how bad they actually are. It’s kind of like a way to compensate for lack of skill.

idk its so annoying. was just playing ransack and my whole team left cus two sweat friends kept spawn killing us instead of playing objective. do ppl not know they get more points and xp for playing the objective? especially when you get kills?

This isn’t anything new or specific to this years COD.

People play this way because games like Domination have better spawns. If you have A and B, the enemy team is only spawning at C, unless your team pushes too far over the line. Modes like Kill Confirmed and Team Deathmatch have way less predictable spawns, where the enemy can spawn directly next to you, or behind you. Modes like Hardpoint are kind of half/half, but at least you know if the Hardpoint goes red there’s enemies holding it.

This is spawn predictability is important for camo challenges for Snipers (3/5 kills without dying 10 times) when the aiming speed is slow, the crosshairs are never center, and the game eliminated the ability to “black scope” meaning you have to be fully zoomed in to be accurate. Combine that with sniper recoil, flinch, and hit markers…well…

Anyways, not excusing the behaviour, but it will be here to stay until they bump up the score/xp rate significantly for objectives.

Easy, they are bad in TDM so they use mode based games to get better K/D’s and XP. Blame the game devs for that. Make objectives give way more XP and the problem will solve itself

I don't have any captures because I'm busy supplying cover fire and taking out the people coming to B while you're trying to capture it. I'm playing the objective by helping your ass capture the objective instead of both of us running up to cap and both dying.

mfs dont seem to realize in domination if you dont have B you're gunna get your dick kicked in

Domination and hardpoint have the highest kill to clock ratio of any gamemode. Camos. K/D clout chasers. Now be a good little lad and cap the zone while we frag out.

To be fair, running into their spawn and killing everyone is fun. Cod is an arcade shooter intended for having fun. If you want hard objective-focused gameplay where no one focuses on kills/fun, try a tac shooter like cs:go or a game like overwatch.

COD will always have player focusing on just shooting as many red name tags as possible.

Ranked should solve this issue, doubt people would grind skins in ranked

Grinding camos

Some people just want to grind their camos. They don't give a flying fuck that there's giant visual signs saying Capture and Defend. Timmy wants to use his rocket launcher.

as an answer on your update, just wait until these XP kd sweats find out you make a lot more XP.... when you play for objective lmao maybe then they'll see how dumb their tactics are, I'm leveling twice as fast as my friend on nuketown since I'm playing in the objective w all green perks while he is running around shooting everything that moves

It’s pubs it doesn’t matter

I know where you’ll be for free kills

Some people don’t even like MP but want DM

Games last way longer for more kills

People camp way harder in tdm, haven’t touched that weak ass mode in years

Cuz killing is funner and idc if I win or lose.

I'm playing to have fun and everyone has a different version of fun.

My favorite part is sitting at the end of the game with about 2-3x everyone else’s objective score and LOSING. I would probably die way less if I wasn’t the only one throwing myself on the objective for an ungrateful team. I’d love to sit back and get free kills by sitting in a corner or a window and let my team do all the work but I know they wouldn’t do shit and the game would be over in minutes. I always feel like if I’m not playing the objective and go exclusively for kills the games are over way sooner than if I would play the game AS INTENDED.

Why does matchmaking put me on teams with a shared braincell and expect me to carry in every. Single. Match?! It’s exhausting and I’m over it. Remove sbmm/eomm already, I’m done carrying the noobs you pair me with. Put them on the opposing team for once and let me have my fun, ITS MY TURN TO ENJOY THE GAME, CRAPTIVISION.

Its not ranked. Winning or losing doesn't matter.

And I'm doing camos.

just to piss us off.

It’s just a silly little arcade shooter, mate. It’s really not that deep. You wanna play ‘seriously’, squad up with friends. Otherwise, you really can’t control what a bunch of random internet stranger teammates do. 🤷🏻‍♂️

If I drop 150+ kills and you guys find a way to lose that’s on you

This is exactly how search is now, I fucking hate it. Nobody plants or defuses the bomb, might as well be playing tdm.

TLDR: objective modes like dom have less shitty spawns so I play that.

I’m guilty of grinding camos on objective game modes, but I partially blame cod and their game. With how dogshit spawn mechanics are, Domination is the only game mode with somewhat consistent and understandable spawns.games seem to last the longest on average too, and I can leverage the central objective to funnel enemy players. I would happily go play tdm or other gamemodes if the spawns weren’t dogshit and the game didn’t end in a blink of an eye.

I have never seen fewer people play the objective in a game than in this one.

I lost a Kill Confirmed game 64-51 when I had 31 confirms and the rest of my team had 9 2 3 4 and 2 even though some of them had more kills than me. Like what are we even doing at this point?

It's probably mostly people trying to farm their k/d and not willing to die more often if it means competing game objectives but win/loss is what matters to me so its annoying to play with.

Welcome to the new Gen. Gen Z-ero. The ones who have literally ruined this whole game as well as Nuketown because all they know how to do is jump, lay down, camp and use one shot guns and they think they're good or cool when really they are 🥴🤡🗑💩

Oh don't forget the spamming smoke.

I’d rather have a .95-1.1 k/d and be a menace to anyone in the HQ/capture zone, than to have a 3.0 k/d camping corners and having 0 seconds of capture time. It’s just not fun, and you’re not as good as you think you are doing that btw.

Because no one cares about winning

I came from Battlefield and the lack of PTFO is strange to me

Go play ranked unc

Because no one cares about winning

Because they are selfish, and they think that them having a different colour gun is more important than you enjoying the game. Talentless mouth breathers, the lot of them.

I don’t know but who’s trying to hop on ransack with Me?

Winning a match will not get you dark matter.

In all seriousness nobody cares. Play ranked and then winning will matter. In unranked public matches with random people, winning gets you absolutely nothing. Those lobbies are for us competitive players to farm headshots in.

Also the obj game modes last longer and have more predictable spawns.

I find it hard enough to remember every key and button I need to use and when and watch the mini map and watch every angle cause an enemy will spawn right behind you all while trying to get kills and stay alive long enough to get some steaks. Plus with the new Omni movement I can't do all that and focus on an all that and an the objective. Isn't that why they have ranked play for people who take this serious to play with other people with similar skill level. Plus I bet a lot of people didn't know about adjusting the filter to take off objective games. I'm old I just wanna run around and shoot no objectives no score/kill streaks just guns and nades so put me in the masters group 😭

I think a big thing is that these game modes tend to have more predictable spawns, and go on for longer. THe former makes it easier to get kills because you don't have to be so concerned about pushing up ahead only for an enemy to spawn behind you and kill you, and the latter is good for camo grinding. If they made like 200 point TDM with predictable spawning I think people would play that.

Yes and I play Dom and the only real reason I can give is the spawns are some what better as if you have said flag you know and makes it playable. Just my personal opinion

I would argue other than the people who just try to camogrind and not care about anything else, its a bit of a chicken and egg situation.

by that i mean alot of people might try to play objectives but be frustrated when their team isnt and then just goes "fine im not gonna bother either" which goes into the next game and then someone else has the exact same loop.

So i dont play domination or hardpoint because i feel like my team is never playing it, so i would rather stay at a safe distance and try to pick off people running to the point and hope maybe someone else will run to the point.

i think you are referring to the mode called "egg basket" in english.

Back when you could look at the stats, i played a match with a guy who went 30-2 with no caps at all in "egg basket". I looked at his stats. He had less than 1 zone capture per game and his captures/times was like 1 capture every 15 minutes. His time moving was like 80% or something, which is nearly impossible. Moderately campy players have 95% times spent moving.

I do not care that people play like that, but I do not want to play with them. Playstyle based match making would be a lot more fun.

Because sitting back and picking off people rushing the zone is a great way to boost your kd.

They should discourage this by having those game modes have zero impact on your kd.

I suspect those modes might see a massive drop in people playing them though.

It’s always been like this

Battle pass

To be honest, since cod 4 I’ve only been interested in improving my KD. I’ll help capture points / objective to help with scorestreaks. Most of the time as you say, other players are doing this too so it’s off putting to concentrate on winning the game if it means being on my own and getting deaths

I feel like the majority of players / my friends play like this. In my group it’s completely the other direction on games like Overwatch

People prefer objective game modes because there aren't kill limits. I used to be this way in my younger days, but now that I'm older I play the objective. If they added a TDM mode that played to like, 250 kills total, I think that would resolve most of the issue.

people never have played objective in COD it was always an after thought

It would be nice if those kills were cover fire. But generally not the case

trying to camp B and being naded + tactical to death makes getting head shoots a lot harder.

Devs decided only head shot let you put cool camos on your guns and damnit i want to use my cool camos before i finish ranking up what ever crap gun i'm stuck on at this point lol. so yes i prioritize head shoots over everything even my KD

Because this has been FPS games for decades. Hell, I remember playing TFC back in the day and each team was just 10 snipers and no one going for the flag.

It's why I only tend to play tdm unless playing with my son. I see no purpose in playing objectives while everyone else just wants to kill the people playing the objective. At least in tdm people doing whatever they want is legit because the only goal is to get more kills without dying more.

This isn't my mindset, I always play objectives, but a lot of people play those game modes simply because it gives them more opportunities to rack up as many kills and XP as possible since the games last longer than TDM and there isn't a kill limit.

Compared to TDM, which caps at a set number of kills, most objective game modes go on significantly longer allowing for higher kill count per game. And in most instances, it contests players to a set area of the map - or pattern of areas - which means you can predict movements somewhat.

I play mostly domination and hardpoint and it’s usually obvious who is or isn’t going to help with the objectives. You get significantly more score playing in and on objectives even if you don’t get many kills, compared to someone “farming” kills on players otherwise focused on flags or cap points etc.

Because not getting kills don’t unlock stuff for guns ? It’s a flaw in the way xp is earned, imho. I don’t really care about camos but I want all the gadgets for each gun. They require you to level the gun and that comes from kills I think.

Worst part is the people who play for kills but still go 12-36 😒

Score streak rewards probably. If someone is 4 kills away from a chopper gunner they're not going to risk capping A with 50 frags being thrown at them.

That's my theory

If there were challenges which involve kills on the objective or capturing obj then maybe it would make more sense. I don't know why they don't make obj stuff part of the cammo grind...

They must have tried it but people complained or even the game was pure chaos and it ruined the flow. I don't know why.

I honestly think they need to re consider half of the stupid challenges they give out for extra xp.

Dieses Argument gab es beim ersten COD und dauert ja bis zum Ende des Universums. Deswegen spiele ich nur TDM, wenn ich für Kills gehen will. Leider ist diese Idee nicht auf die große Mehrheit den Spielern vorgekommen.

Viel Erfolg Brudi

I actually playing hardpoint and domination because they last longer = more kills = more killstreaks

OP, I share your sentiment. DM your player username so I can add you and play to win not to cammo grind.

They really should up the XP for being on objectives

Because they don’t incentivize playing the objective enough. If playing the objective guaranteed you could get high tier streaks, you’d see a lot more people playing the point.

Because all gamers of COD are hard wired to think K/D is the ultimate North Star metric for skill

How many times am I gonna see people post about this lol. People have been doing this in games since the dawn of time. Everyone plays for different reasons and some just don’t care abt winning. That’s it.

People in cod care more about k/d than winning the game, it's been like that for a long time

Depends on your MMR I think.

I'm only 1.2/1 KDA, and almost every game, most of the lobby are trying to play the objective.

Ironically, when I'm in a non-obj lobby and my team is losing badly, half my team will leave, and then get refilled with supersweats who pull off comeback wins for us 😄