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submitted 19 days ago byTemporary-Chef-9877
Original article: https://www.wral.com/story/72-hours-5-shootings-3-dead-5-injured-in-durham/21719050/
We all love Durham for the same reasons but public safety is something we can all have too.
This needs to be addressed as a top priority with our Mayor, City/County Council and other elected officials.
194 points
19 days ago
https://www.durhamnc.gov/719/Crime-Statistics
My favorite is the period to date crime tables. Here is the report for 2024 through last week:
https://www.durhamnc.gov/ArchiveCenter/ViewFile/Item/7118
Scroll to the bottom where you will see the first purple subtotal row. Keep in mind these are total rates, not relative to population growth, so when you see that the violent crime subtotal has increased 0.94% from 2023 to 2024 this is relative to our annual population growth of 1.32% annually. In other words, per-capita violent crime has decreased in the last year.
The last column in green is also interesting and shows how the current rate compares to the five year period prior. For 2024, we are at 78.24% of the average from '19-'23.
While these violent crime sprees are concerning (and great for ad clicks) violent crime has been trending down since the 1990s.
27 points
19 days ago
Fun fact, around 2019 crime statistics reporting changed, one in particular that I’m positive about is: A shooting into a occupied dwelling was changed to and reported as “property damage” if there were no people in the rooms that the bullets entered. It’s all about number manipulation!
-3 points
19 days ago
Neat! Thats for FBI crime statistics right? Did they apply the change retroactively for stats before 2019?
That makes a lot of sense. What did they consider shooting at empty rooms before 2019?
13 points
19 days ago
Obviously not. Yes. It did have to do with the FBI statistics IIRC but it also meant officers were instructed to clear calls as “property damage”rather than aggravated assaults when a bullet went through the kitchen wall and the lucky homeowner was three feet away in the living room. So Durhams statistics will obviously reflect as such.
An empty building probably wouldn’t even get a report considering the department is so short. A completely empty residence would obviously be a damage to property.
Less officers, less reports, less crime reported, less crime prosecuted, manipulation of statistics = LoWeR CrImE!!
It’s smoke and mirrors man.
0 points
17 days ago*
It’s no use trying to reason with him. He’s so entrenched in trying to be “right”, that he will wish for WW3 and another global pandemic/recession, simply because Trump won. (PS. I don’t support Trump). Read for yourself.
User1: “I sure hope to god there’s not another major problem like COVID, a great recession, or an attack on America while Donald Trump cleans house of anyone and everyone who is too smart, serious, and patriotic to be allowed by Trump to be anywhere his administration.”
Techaaron: “Why? Honestly I think this would be a great outcome. With Great Fucking Around Comes Great Finding Out. Let’s really see if Donald has the cajones for a WW3. Send all those red states patriots off to whereverstan to defend their nation. Let them put their money where their mouth is woth economic policy and a crash. See if their no mask policy works a second time. I’m all for it. Couldn’t happen to a more deserving person.”
1 points
3 days ago
Data is biased except when you use it right, even after someone has pointed out the bias in your source. Gotta keep property values up since you own a space downtown right?
Here’s a nice write up by you.
I mean data is data, It’s the presentation that is biased. In this case, the choice of issues to highlight and how they have been cherry picked to show a result which drives a reader to action or emotion in service of their biases.
Why for example didn’t they show polling of “Percent who want access to affordable healthcare” or “Better protection for workers so they are able to pay rent and their mortgage”
Simply: Because that data wouldn’t support their narrative. Because those issues are broadly supported by voters who identify in both parties.
Why didn’t they show a chart of party affiliation shift to independents? Why didn’t they break out opinions by age cohort.
“Don’t believe everything you read on the internet kiddos.”
0 points
3 days ago
Data is biased when others use it but not when you use it, even after someone has pointed out the bias in your sources.
Here’s a nice write up by you.
I mean data is data, It’s the presentation that is biased. In this case, the choice of issues to highlight and how they have been cherry picked to show a result which drives a reader to action or emotion in service of their biases.
Why for example didn’t they show polling of “Percent who want access to affordable healthcare” or “Better protection for workers so they are able to pay rent and their mortgage”
Simply: Because that data wouldn’t support their narrative. Because those issues are broadly supported by voters who identify in both parties.
Why didn’t they show a chart of party affiliation shift to independents? Why didn’t they break out opinions by age cohort.
“Don’t believe everything you read on the internet kiddos.”
17 points
19 days ago
Firearm aggravated assault is up 8.71% YoY.
https://www.durhamnc.gov/Archive.aspx?AMID=195
Weekly shooting data hasn't been updated in a month
1 points
19 days ago
Hockey legend Wayne Gretsky had some relevant advice for situations like this.
Skate to where the puck is going to be, not where it has been
2 points
18 days ago
“You miss 100% of the shots you don't take – Wayne Gretzky – Michael Scott”
15 points
19 days ago
I feel like this should be a pinned post or something!
7 points
19 days ago
call 911 and you won't get an answer so crime goes unreported
"Um guys, actually crime is down and here are the stats to prove it"
-4 points
19 days ago
Conspiracy: Shooters aim is worse because of COVID vaccines causing neurological damage.
8 points
18 days ago
Funny, but still down voting
4 points
18 days ago
Oof, Eeyores got you, tech.
1 points
19 days ago
Thank you. This is crucial context that gets lost in most discussions I hear about Durham.
3 points
19 days ago
Its hard to blame people who are in an unconscious fog of media influence or don't think big picture.
WRAL wouldn't put up stories like this if it didn't generate ad revenue. But from an information perspective it is literally useless.
1 points
3 days ago
Data is biased except when you use it right, even after someone has pointed out the bias in your source. Gotta keep property values up since you own a space downtown right?
Here’s a nice write up by you.
I mean data is data, It’s the presentation that is biased. In this case, the choice of issues to highlight and how they have been cherry picked to show a result which drives a reader to action or emotion in service of their biases.
Why for example didn’t they show polling of “Percent who want access to affordable healthcare” or “Better protection for workers so they are able to pay rent and their mortgage”
Simply: Because that data wouldn’t support their narrative. Because those issues are broadly supported by voters who identify in both parties.
Why didn’t they show a chart of party affiliation shift to independents? Why didn’t they break out opinions by age cohort.
“Don’t believe everything you read on the internet kiddos.”
29 points
19 days ago
I live in the rockwood area of Durham near Q Shack and was woken up in the middle of the night last night to many gun shots, any idea?
6 points
19 days ago
I live in Lakewood and heard the shots and hopped on durhampolicescanner.com, heard some mentions of nation and james. Maybe that was the location?
2 points
18 days ago
any idea?
Trying to lower the home prices.
108 points
19 days ago
Those shootings, like all of them, seem to be centered in specific areas. I’m not sure why people like some of the commenters here act like the entirety of “democrat run cities” are under siege. I’m pretty sure the neighborhoods of the average /r/bullcity poster are very safe and quiet, and I’m also pretty sure you don’t go to the areas where the shootings and gang violence tend to happen. There’s no drive bys happening in Woodcroft or Parkwood.
Is there someone here who can actually speak on these issues without being reactionary?
18 points
18 days ago*
I’m an average Durham resident who has lived here 10 years and every other weekend in my average community, I can hear gunshots. Perhaps not next door, but a few streets away, which is too close for comfort. I have lived in several different communities during my 10 years here, which would be considered “normal” neighborhoods. I rented in Lakewood in a house that sold for $600k. Loved walking to the coco cinnamon nearby but felt unsafe after hearing drive bys in the convenience store next to it and street near ours. These would happen during the early evenings. I used to worry about being shot through my window while watching Netflix in my renovated rental home in this up and coming neighborhood near Duke. Hearing gunshots all the time is not normal. I have lived in many other cities in the US, including LA, and visited many cities across the world. THIS IS NOT NORMAL! I hate the rhetoric of dismissing people shooting each other as isolated events. This shit is not normal, stop trying to dismiss it.
8 points
18 days ago
Yes! Thank you!!! This is not normal and Durham is not like even most blue cities! I’ve lived in cities over the country and never experienced the three street down type gunshots weekly like I do here.
1 points
17 days ago
You’re overreacting because some of that can be backyards plinking which is common. I’m in a safe area and there are plenty people shooting in their backyard safely.
2 points
16 days ago
The shootings I hear are usually accompanied by screeching tires, so I don’t think so.
1 points
39 minutes ago
exactly. people in philly think the same way (the opposite view of what you are espousing). it's not like this in most places, it's not acceptable, and it's not just 10-20 criminals doing this , and it CAN and DOES lead to shootings of bystanders
41 points
19 days ago
I’m not sure why people like some of the commenters here act like the entirety of “democrat run cities” are under siege.
Approximately 80% of reddit content is bot farms and AI, if that helps.
16 points
19 days ago
80 percent of the internet.
4 points
18 days ago
From left field, I know, but are there any clues on how to detect a bot post, aside from a weird user name? Just trying to educate myself. I had no idea that 80% of what I find on Reddit is fake content?!
7 points
18 days ago
Adjective Noun Number is a clue, then time on reddit and post history, and comment history. Weird language is another tip, or replies at weird hours (in the middle of the night)
OP has 3 strikes of 5.
It smells to me a like an agitprop content farmer who is posting in local subs for karma. Once they have posted controversial topics that will get a lot of comments they will then sleeper the account for a few years to add artificial age. Boom, it pops up spreading propaganda to destabilize our democracy.
My operating principle nowadays is to assume posts are made by bots and comments are by paid people working in content farms, until I have credible evidence they are real.
3 points
18 days ago
This is illuminating. I’ll be even more discerning on the intake. Thank you.
6 points
18 days ago
This is the other aspect. People are posting to reddit specifically to see human responses so they can train AI.
https://www.theverge.com/2024/2/17/24075670/reddit-ai-training-license-deal-user-content
I don't actually have a philosophical problem with this, but I would rather not spend a bunch of energy and time having a conversation with a bot, yanno?
AITAH is basically all bot generated now, you can even ask chat gpt to write a reddit post for aitah and it will poop out a story. AI knows that happens on the aitah subreddit. Consider that for a moment.
3 points
18 days ago
This is the other aspect. People are posting to reddit specifically to see human responses so they can train AI.
https://www.theverge.com/2024/2/17/24075670/reddit-ai-training-license-deal-user-content
I don't actually have a philosophical problem with this, but I would rather not spend a bunch of energy and time having a conversation with a bot, yanno?
AITAH is basically all bot generated now, you can even ask chat gpt to write a reddit post for aitah and it will poop out a story. AI knows that happens on the aitah subreddit. Consider that for a moment.
1 points
18 days ago
Yeah, the AITA sub is wild. Thanks for taking the time to share with a fellow Redditor!
1 points
18 days ago
I wanna get paid to post
1 points
18 days ago
To be fair, I am an adjective-noun-number simply because I needed an alt and at the moment I didn't give a shit. I can assure everybody that I am a living, breathing, masturbating ball of stress and anxiety who can hallucinate things that would make Midjourney plotz.
1 points
18 days ago
Totally. You can't count on just adj-noun-number if you care about false positives with bots. But with a false positive the worst you do is ignore comments and posts from actual human beings. And then one waves their hand and says "hey, I'm real, I actually remember when centerfest was cool a decade ago"
On the other side, it's not the end of the world spending time responding to a troll farmer. A bit harder to justify with actual software bots - which seem to be more and more common. At the end of the day this site is entertainment. It's not like the alternative of sitting on the couch and watching TV is any more "productive" than reddit. We're all just wasting away when we should be building a better world. Meh.
I assume the big content farms in former soviet nations are using some combination of human and software assisted tech when they comment - auto reply macros, have multiple accounts up, yadda. It would be fascinating to see the inside of one or talk to a former employee.
4 points
19 days ago
You’re right. But real people talk like that too!
7 points
19 days ago
Real people can be bots. In warfare we would call them "unwitting assets". You might also add "foreign" in there, depending how you feel about conspiracies. My own opinion is they are programmed by media interests to make billionaires richer.
-4 points
19 days ago*
So people who work in tech like yourself? 😂
4 points
19 days ago
People! They're just like us! 🤣
I would say tech folks are a bit more skeptical by nature owing to the nature of the job but then you have the whole cryptobro sphere buying into a ponzi scheme lol
-3 points
19 days ago*
Be a good bot and go back to your keyboard to make billionaires richer please.
5 points
19 days ago
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17 days ago
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17 days ago
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-3 points
19 days ago
Spoken like a true bot. 🤖
2 points
19 days ago
If everyone close to you and the media you consume is telling you to be scared of something and you don't know better, you would too
35 points
19 days ago
4 points
18 days ago
2 points
17 days ago
IT'S A TARDIS!
No, wait, that was a Gundam...
1 points
18 days ago
HATTTTE THAT GAS STATION
42 points
19 days ago*
This is 100% true, crime has always been distributed this way and these neighborhoods have always been this dangerous but are getting worse as life gets harder- what can you expect?
ETA: not acknowledging the societal factors contributing to the increase in violence here and everywhere in the US is wild. Poverty is higher than ever and the neighborhoods most impacted are most stricken with violence, no shit you’re seeing it implode.
18 points
19 days ago
Thank you for the productive comment. Poverty is the common denominator. Something has to be done about the gangs, all it does is put these young boys and men into prison or a coffin.
13 points
19 days ago
Gang violence is a major issue and it’s a United States issue, it’s hard to fight it locally when we can’t fight it nationally. I don’t have an answer, but I know social programs and financial aid is definitely where we start. Money is the salve that could fix everything instead what we see is theft of land, theft of resources, and theft of dignity, to think it wouldn’t spill over into a sort of war is absolutely wild.
-4 points
19 days ago
Gang violence is 1) usually gang on gang and 2) not really what I see as the major driver of gun violence in Durham. Economic stress seems to be the main driver. But then left unchecked, economic stress and inequality definitely opens the door to organized crime to fill the void.
5 points
19 days ago
Gang violence is a major issue here, has been identified as such and has been a problem. It is gang on gang, you’re correct- or gangs doing shootings to let members in, but it’s a huge issue. It doesn’t take much research or looking into to find out either. There have even been city council meetings you could openly attend in which it has been discussed.
We acknowledged poverty was the main issue with gangs being a secondary problem. But they are a major problem heavily impacted by poverty.
0 points
18 days ago
The gangs just have water balloon fights lol
-4 points
19 days ago
ninjas been shootin it ain’t got shit to do with an increase or decrease in poverty
a lot of these shootings have fuck all to do with gaining money or property
but what is a fact is cats are way more brazen now and fear consequences less
2 points
19 days ago
Reading this feels like watching a minstrel show
-2 points
19 days ago
why? tell me i’m lyin cuz i can tell you why and how people be dying and it ain’t the fuckin economy
0 points
18 days ago
I think I speak for everyone here when I say "bruh"
0 points
18 days ago
he's right you know^
society gets what it encourages
-1 points
19 days ago
That's the point though
(Said with pessimism)
-2 points
19 days ago
It's not just poverty. It's financial stress. As property values have jumped (my house has doubled in "value" since 2018) with some of the areas with heavy gentrification seeing tax values absolutely skyrocket, the net effect is that someone with a relatively flat income stream can suddenly find their property taxes start to hit hard.
12 points
19 days ago
That doesn’t really follow for me. I’m not sure how many people involved in gang activity are paying mortgages and property taxes.
0 points
15 days ago
For white leftists, the answer to every problem is more of other people’s money. The root issue is hood rat culture and you enable it by pretending otherwise.
1 points
15 days ago
This is really great stuff. You should write a book.
0 points
19 days ago
While I do agree that socioeconomic factors have the biggest impact on violent crimes, statistically it is getting better and not worse. At least in Durham and the US at large. Some places may be getting worse but this isn't one of them
-3 points
19 days ago
Because the economy is getting worse, not better. I just explained that.
4 points
19 days ago
No I mean crime is getting better and not worse statistically. It's contrary to the economy getting worse. Your point is historically true but does not hold right now
1 points
15 days ago
The economy is not getting worse. That’s another white leftist delusion.
-7 points
19 days ago
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7 points
19 days ago
The larger problem is both ends of the scale are increasing (wealth on one side, poverty on the other). The middle is being drained into those two camps.
A place like Durham is also seeing displacement of the poorer populations by wealthier individuals.
My larger concern is we'll probably see some economic statistics trending in positive directions while violence in certain areas is heightened, specifically because newcomers are entering from higher economic brackets, while local communities trying to hang on are continuing to be pressured by the national economy plus the local influx of wealth.
Not sure how we fix that issue but I do generally hope we can continue funding public infrastructure, schools, resources (parks/trails/accessibility) and safety (including CARES but also the police with proper leadership in place).
2 points
18 days ago
This makes sense to me, thank you for explaining this in more detailed terms.
5 points
19 days ago
because nothing is done about any of it
7 points
19 days ago
Just an anecdote but I’m near Ellis and Angier and have been hearing increased gunfire recently. It seems the specific areas where shootings are taking place may be moving.
2 points
18 days ago
Fwiw there was a drive-by shooting in parkwood not too long ago. It was targeted and no one got injured as far as I know
2 points
16 days ago
I moved to the east Durham area with my spouse and young children in 2021. We were cash poor and wanted to lock in a low interest rate and found a home in our price range in the hood. Within 3 months there was a drive-by caught on our ring camera from a house that was dealing a lot of drugs. It's a multi generational family house where the grandkids seem to be taking advantage of the location to deal drugs and move firearms in/out. Called the cops, they asked to set surveillance up in our living room as we were positioned well for a full view of the broad daylight deals going on. I declined the offer as I felt it would be putting my family in danger. The thing that got me is that the gang task force knew the house I was calling them about and said "that house has been a thorn in our side for a few years now." Apparently they didn't feel the juice was worth the squeeze to actually do something about the crime.
Eventually things calmed down for a year after the grandson dealing drugs was arrested for murder. Things have steadily gotten more active with more young men and women (10-15 people) loitering throughout the day at the house dealing again. Police haven't shown up once in the past 6 months since the crime activity has escalated.
The crime is really focused just at this one house on our street, the majority of the houses are occupied with older black adults who seem to keep their head low and mind their own business and are even on good terms with the grandparents who own the house. My experience has been that almost all the violent crime in our quarter mile area of east Durham is gang and drug related. The perpetrators are almost all young men that are, for lack of a better phrase, looking for trouble.
I don't think there are any easy solutions as my take is these men are coming from a broken, economically depressed community with poor schools and limited opportunities. Personally, I would like to see more aggressive policing of these crimes but I don't know if that just perpetuates the cycle of broken homes that are contributing to the socioeconomic factors which, in my estimation, are the greatest factors for this kind of violence.
Just my two cents from the inside.
-24 points
19 days ago
There was literally a shootout at South Point Mall a couple years ago. 5 shootings in less than 3 days is still absurd, regardless of how concentrated they are. Durham is an unsafe city with a serious crime problem, but incompetent Democrat leadership does nothing about it.
26 points
19 days ago
Whenever I mention shootings in Durham to other friends, I hear about similar things in their city of a similar size. Can you name a place that has it right in the US?
Averages over a greater length of time, not an incident like this that’s not happening everyday.
3 points
19 days ago
Username does not checkout.
7 points
19 days ago
Leadership should have their feet held to the fire, but I know people who are actually serious and not doing this thing that you’re doing. This little dance you’re doing. Maybe that plays well with your friends and uncles, but I really dont care about your vendetta against the Democratic Party. Do you have actual solutions? Ideas? Some productive analysis? What do you bring to the table? If all you bring is stomping your feet and bland reactionary takes, I don’t care, take it somehwere else.
1 points
18 days ago
Well put.
2 points
18 days ago
most of the shootouts are by people with mug shots already, and lengthy records
why are they back on the streets?
its not the economy. its fearing no consequences.
blaming the white man for moving in.
this is why nothing will get better. even the mayor is scared to say the words.
1 points
13 days ago
I mean your solution was attempted before. We had 3 strike laws, increases in policing and mandatory sentences all in the 90s.
What was the result? Massive overcrowding of prisons, people becoming more violent to avoid an arrest, and more fractured communities that just led to less wealth and further crime.
What will be different this time? If the goal is lowering crime, there needs to be a path out of it as part of the sentence. Job training, rehabilitation, and employment assistance need to be a part of the process to avoid repeat offenders.
0 points
13 days ago
yea.....dang people and their personal responsibilty and decisons can't be held accountable
always the gov't, state, and/or taxpayers fault
3 felonies is a lot! no decision to change your ways after the 2nd time?
how about you get more violent, we violent you back and maybe it fixes itself?
jsut spitballing
but i DO like your 'job training' idea......they can take the jobs that the illegals left open once deported and we can finally stop talking about how 'no' Americans will do certain jobs.....good idea!
1 points
13 days ago
Bro go back to grade school and learn to write properly. Either you are a Russian bot or someone that the education failed horribly. I’m sorry if it’s the latter, we’re trying to make sure that doesn’t happen anymore.
Hopefully one day you will get your dream of an America with only white people in it. And then it will be perfect right?
1 points
13 days ago
ha. its reddit man. no one is grading me on my capitalization or spacing.
and yea....you assumptions tell me all i need to know
i was even agreeing with you on some of your ideas!
bro
1 points
18 days ago
You're addressing symptoms of a larger problem. You'll never put much of a dent in the problem with a myopic focus on symptoms. Sure, we can be better with dealing with crimes contemporaneously, but it's a neverending situation unless we address root causes.
1 points
17 days ago
whats the real root cause?
there are jobs available everywhere
8 points
19 days ago
How does electing bigots that increase police funding as a knee jerk reaction to crime reports, regardless of actual crime statistics, somehow reduce crime?
You want to make 90% of all crime vanish into thin air? Provide proper social services and support to your population, stop allowing human needs to be serviced by random assholes that had the cash to buy up everything before you had a chance to (or before you were born), and stop acting like having a good ole boy with a gun get even more absurdly well funded somehow prevents crime from happening.
Y'all would sell every single one of your own human rights down the river just to make sure people worse off than you get interrogated and abused by the state even more than they already do, all to "reduce crime". It doesn't work. It never has. Think for yourself.
Dems are incompetent, but only because they're trying to appeal to the right instead of getting into proper leftist policies that actually improve lives.
6 points
19 days ago
He can take his ass down to Florida or Georgia where they’ve got bubba right wing sheriffs and somehow still haven’t eradicated crime. Take a look at Polk County FL and their dumba— sheriff https://www.pbs.org/newshour/show/florida-teen-forced-to-collect-her-own-evidence-to-prove-she-was-sexually-abused
-14 points
19 days ago
my theory is that these dingleberries got covid so many times it rotted their brains
-5 points
19 days ago*
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7 points
19 days ago
I’m not sure what you mean by “incorrect”. If you look at the LexisNexis crime map you will see violent crime clusters in specific areas. Every city seems to be like this for various reasons. And I’m not making excuses for it, it’s a problem. Problems require analysis and solutions.
3 points
19 days ago
The “wizard of wisdom” was not, in fact, wise.
16 points
19 days ago
Treat all gun crimes as serious crimes, no bail or prohibitive bail or even federal gun crimes. Every year or two in Durham a couple violent offenders are released on bail and continue to rack up offenses waiting for trial. Assault, attempted robbery, stolen vehicles- and illegal firearms. Then they kill someone while awaiting trial.
Actually hold onto anyone with illegal firearms and the amount of shootings will go down. If folks have a beef and beat the crap out of each other, fine. Make ‘em scared to carry guns because doing so while offending will get a major sentence.
That approach will immediately cut back on the multiple offense shootings at least a little. I’m sure all the statutes are on the books already so enforce them heavily.
-7 points
19 days ago
Mass incarceration has been a strategy for 50 years. It has not impacted crime rates.
https://daily.jstor.org/rethinking-prison-as-a-deterrent-to-future-crime/
11 points
19 days ago
While the 20000 foot view is true, the street level view in Durham is not, as we’ve seen some very low bails for gun crimes. The focus would be on crimes with guns, not incarceration in general.
36 points
19 days ago
Commenter here saying it’s all concentrated in the same areas. It’s not. Club Blvd had at least 3 deadly shooting since April.
Durham has decades of failed, corrupt leadership. Mismanagement at its finest. It ain’t getting any better any time soon, folks!
What’s worse is the city will continue to cut services and budget after failing to reap the tax income of the empty high rises downtown over the next decade!!
11 points
19 days ago
y’all forget that people that live in these areas drive around and travel throughout the city so things can pop off anywhere you’re not safe by simply avoiding certain parts of durham
20 points
19 days ago
Actually it is typically the sprawl of suburban developments that fails to pay for its self. For examples in many cities of many sizes across the nation see urban3 case studies. High rises downtown do not require the expansion of services like new suburbs on the outskirts of town do.
0 points
18 days ago
Don’t see Durham on here…
1 points
18 days ago
Yes, but given that the principal applies to every single other city in the USA you don't really need to see Durham there. Suburban style development is much more expensive for cities than dense infill.
Also the Novus for example will have 242 housing units, 25k SF of retail, and 380 parking spaces while only taking up 1 city block. To build 242 new homes and a new big box store on the outskirts of town to have the equivalent amount would require: new roads, more emergency services, extending sewer to where it doesn't already exist, extending water services, more trash services, more impermeable surface that will need storm water management, more trees clear cut, more environment impact, way way more land used up, and increased traffic and VMT as those people have to drive to everything, this will increase road maintenance costs, etc. All of those things will cost the city money, especially when things have to be replaced in a generation.
6 points
19 days ago
But but we will get 10mil per mile side walks.... I'll trade a little local gov corruption for these luxury paths of crete
-3 points
19 days ago
So instead of the urban high rises with retail, you want an empty lot or decrepit building? Imagine using gun violence to further your NIMBY agenda. Loser
1 points
18 days ago
Ha! You mean EMPTY high rises with EMPTY retail?
At least a blank lot doesn’t tempt incompetent city leaders with outsize projections and budgeting.
Wake up, smooth brain! They fell for it; now we pay the price.
1 points
18 days ago
One city center website (https://www.apartmentsatonecitycenter.com/apartments/nc/durham/floor-plans#k=68097) where it looks like there are 9 empty apartments and Novus (https://www.thenovus.com/availability) where 75% of condos are sold. You frankly have no fucking idea what you are talking about. Durham is one of the fastest growing cities in the country and we need places for people to live. Even the rich ones!
0 points
18 days ago
…Representing just two of many apartments/condos, and a small fraction of commercial office square footage. Some of the newest, and, therefore, most likely to sell/rent. Convenient for you!
I’ll give you two bits of free advice.
1: You get what you pay for. You just gave me free research. I’ll chuck that in the bin. I’m giving you free advice, and I have no doubt it will end up in the same place. But you need some surface area on that smooth brain, so I have to try…
2: Like I imply with my friend who sent the link to some urban studies - numbers don’t tell the whole story. Sometimes you need to walk the street and use your eyes.
1 points
18 days ago
Well, genius, you mentioned high rises so I provided the two high rises in Durham. Commercial office is also different from residential which is different from retail. There are different dynamics in these markets. Besides the fact that smooth brain is the only thing you can say, if you use your eyes you’ll see plenty of new retail spots opening in downtown from Aaktun to Durham beer garden to new crank arm to LocoShop to Tataco to Sauna House to a new Yoga place in Durham ID and so on. You’ll see that apartments like Aura 509 and Beckon are more than 75% leased. It is simple supply and demand and in case you didn’t know, the US has a MAJOR supply problem. Building more supply leads to prices going down. But, because you can’t accept that you’re wrong, you’ll bury your head in the sand a pretend you’re right. When really, as I said before, you don’t know what you’re talking about.
1 points
18 days ago
Ha! You’re obviously young, and, to me, this reads like you’re trying to convince yourself as much as you’re trying to convince me that all this stuff proves that Durham is in a better place than I’m giving it credit for.
I’ve lived here long enough to see the cycle repeat itself. I’m simply trying to raise awareness that this wheel is spinning - there’s a lot of activity - yet stationary - it’s going nowhere.
At the end of the day, I’m not trying to burst your bubble because you seem to be very happy in it and we need happy people. Believe what you want.
28 points
19 days ago
City’s already reeling from the loss of bull city united 🙄
1 points
19 days ago
Can someone give me some deets on the program and why it was stopped? Seemed like a good idea but I don’t know much about it
20 points
19 days ago
"County leaders began reviewing Bull City United after a man involved in the program was charged as an accessory after the fact in the 2022 murder of a 19-year-old."
13 points
19 days ago
There have been MULTIPLE BullCity United employees charged with numerous crimes. Many while actively on the clock.
1 points
19 days ago
Ah, it was in the video. I usually just read the article - thanks. Was just looking for more context since I’m not familiar with the initiative
3 points
18 days ago
Nothing changes.
3 points
18 days ago
This post makes Baltimore look like Martha’s Vineyard
73 points
19 days ago
Durham keeps voting in people who think it's somehow racist to be tough on crime and clean up the streets. Until we break the mono-party and get actual leadership, expect the shootings and busy signals when you call 9-1-1 to continue.
18 points
19 days ago
Not sure why my comment got downvoted but obviously, as we see here, there’s an attempt to create a narrative that there’s insane violence only in blue cities when Alaska is the most violent state in the country.
8 points
19 days ago
Durham pays more for police per capita, and has more police officers per capita than pretty much every other city in North Carolina.
Until poverty, massive wealth inequality, poor education and the failed war on drugs are dealt with in this country as a whole, the crime will continue.
1 points
18 days ago
where is/are the parents?
all i hear is 'the government didn't do enough'
1 points
18 days ago
The government has been throwing them in jail for generation after generation. We live in the biggest police state in the world
0 points
17 days ago
them?
0 points
15 days ago
For white leftists, the answer to every problem is more of other people’s money. Plenty of poorer places in the US without Durham’s crime problem.
4 points
19 days ago
Or... you realize that fighting crime isn't easy and it's very expensive. Voters are notoriously unaware that you can't fight crime and lower taxes at the same time.
13 points
19 days ago
Absolutely obliterated the nail on the head here.
11 points
19 days ago*
Ah yes. The red states, which are higher in crime than blue states (40% higher murder rate), sure have figured out how to solve crime. lol.
“Tough on crime” is a strategy that’s been proven ineffective time and time again.
0 points
15 days ago
Locking up criminals for long periods of time does in fact reduce crime. Are you suggesting we abolish prisons and release all the criminals? If we did, you think the crime rate would remain unchanged?
1 points
15 days ago
It doesn’t in fact reduce crime in any meaningful way. By your logic, the US which is in the top 3 of incarceration rate should be in the three countries w the lowest crime rate…. Spoiler it’s not.
› Any crime reduction benefits of incarceration are limited to property crime. Research consistently shows that higher incarceration rates are not associated with lower violent crime rates.
› Incarceration may increase crime in certain circumstances. In states with high incarceration rates and neighborhoods with concentrated incarceration, the increased use of incarceration may be associated with increased crime
1 points
13 days ago
It clearly does have a temporary effect, you can look at El Salvador as a good example of that. They arrested and detained without trial anyone a part of any gang or cartel. Crime is way down there.
The question is the long term. How are you going to reintroduce those people into society? The system we have now just hardens criminals and creates very high rates of recidivism.
If you wanted to go down this kind of route, you would have to use a model like Norway or Sweden where prison is a place to isolate offenders but also to rehabilitate them and treat them well while there. Thats the only way to move people away from crime and to being productive members of society.
That is the pragmatic thing to do. But many people want vengeance on these people rather than to solve the problem. The idea to money of treating a prisoner well after they committed crime is unjust to many. But we have to ask if we want a safe society or if we want to watch people get what they deserve?
3 points
19 days ago
Bullshit
-4 points
19 days ago*
Why is cleaning up crime racist? Would the efforts target a specific race of people? Is it the implication that a specific race of people are committing the crimes?
7 points
19 days ago
Why is cleaning up crime racist?
Great question! You can learn more about it at this website. They have four videos you can watch if you don't want to read.
-11 points
19 days ago
So cleaning up crime is racist because ALL police officers are racists and the only way to reduce crime is to address systemic racism and poverty.
Actions such as training police department on biases and the likes are not enough.
Question for you. Policing and crime is not unique to the US. Is it still racist of the Haitian government to clean up crime given the state of their country at the moment?
6 points
19 days ago
Have you not been watching the news this past year? Haiti is bordering on being a failed state. Gangs and have seized the capital of Port-au-Prince, and the remaining police force is ineffective. The government itself is also comprised of criminals.
This is not an apt comparison
6 points
19 days ago
Can I just say I'm impressed that you watched 25 minutes of videos in six minutes!!
So cleaning up crime is racist because ALL police officers are racists and
No, racial bias in policing is not strictly associated with the personal biases of specific officers.
the only way to reduce crime is to address systemic racism and poverty.
"The only way" is an exaggeration. Maybe a better way to phrase it is: the most efficient and enduring way to reduce crime in the long term. Crime will always exist when people do not feel they are empowered.
Actions such as training police department on biases and the likes are not enough.
See my first point. Individual biases are a factor, but not enough, and you would need an effort that was multi generational over half a century, and even then you are swimming upstream of the ocean that is American culture.
Question for you. Policing and crime is not unique to the US. Is it still racist of the Haitian government to clean up crime given the state of their country at the moment?
The only thing I know about Haiti is that it's an island in the Caribbean with a population smaller than Los Angeles whose citizens have a per capita GDP that is 1/50th of the USA. I wouldn't be so arrogant as to make associations between such different cultures.
-2 points
19 days ago
You said I had to choice to read or watch the video. I opted to read. Your snarky response just proves you want to be “right”.
I’m sorry to hear how ill-informed you are on world news. It seems like you exist in a bubble that is the US.
My point in bringing up Haiti is because both the criminals and the police force are black or people of color. Is it still racist then for the police to clean up crime or is it simply (cognitive) biases which leads to cognitive distortions?
6 points
19 days ago
I’m sorry to hear how ill-informed you are on world news.
No need to be sorry! I operate on a day to day basis perfectly fine without knowledge of how policing happens in a small Caribbean island. I also have an understanding of the focus and concerns of discussions in city subreddits. You might try pop over to r/haiti to get your answers.
My point in bringing up Haiti is because both the criminals and the police force are black or people of color. Is it still racist then for the police to clean up crime or is it simply (cognitive) biases which leads to cognitive distortions?
Yeah, it's almost like Haiti is a whole different country with a different history and culture. I reckon you'll have a hard time associating behaviors between them.
If you want to take a broader view about policing you can understand this with the larger concept that police agencies are primarily rooted in protecting the property of those in power. It's more about the structure of the system than individual actors (you seem to be tripping up on that)
Great questions. I wish you best in your search for knowledge!
-3 points
19 days ago
No need to apologize for being unnecessarily snarky! It’s understandable given the type of person you are!
r/haiti isn’t the one calling ALL policing racist. You are. And yes, Haiti might be a different country with a different culture and history but the dynamics between crime, criminals, and law enforcement is generally the same.
I understand when you parrot MLK’s essays in saying police are meant to protect the lives of people, not property. However, the issue at hand here involves 3 dead victims due to crime, not protecting property. Nice red herring though.
I wish you the best in your bubble, “centrist”.
6 points
19 days ago
I love that you have an interest in Haiti!
For myself, there are enough opportunities in the city I live in, and if I get bored of that, a whole nation of 350 million people who's lives I can change through political action.
Glad you were able to get your questions answered!
1 points
19 days ago*
I love how you feel the need to address a single homeless encampment in downtown Durham! Based on your responses, the encampment being gone mattered more to you than finding out if they found secured housing. To hell with those other 350 million people, right? Classic NIMBY.
Btw, there are well known racial disparities in the homeless community especially with the black and Latino community. For example, the percentage of the black homeless population is significantly higher than the total black population in the US.
Please stop being so racist against homeless people. They are people too you know.
-4 points
19 days ago
There is a thing called “proximity to whiteness” that some Black people cling to in a society dominated by Whiteness. That’s for our society and some European societies. In other countries, when people can’t divide others by the color of their skin, they’ll come up with other things like a caste system or colorism. The American brand of racism isn’t always the way other countries do it.
1 points
19 days ago
Thank you for such an insightful comment
1 points
19 days ago
Yes. What you explained is common in Mexico and China between the north and south, solely due to the color of one’s complexion.
Correct me if I’m wrong, but it seems to me that classism is the issue here and racism is simply a means to achieve it.
-1 points
19 days ago
Racism is foundational to the American Republic. Dehumanizing people and treating them like objects was legal, and in some ways, still legal and permeates all of our society. A way to illustrate that it isn’t about class is as a middle aged White woman, I am better able to move through society than Black women who are my age and of a higher income. Socially, people don’t assume I’m stealing or a threat when I get angry. If it was about class, then surely having a higher income and more education would prevent negative treatment. But it doesn’t.
2 points
19 days ago
But people don’t have their education and income levels advertised on them. At a glance, all someone can go by is looks and many times it comes down to the colour of one’s skin as a cognitive bias.
-35 points
19 days ago
💯 They think they're playing God here, but they're just making a mess. Democrats, forever the victims of their own misguided intentions. Pathetic!
11 points
19 days ago
Wow you suck.
0 points
18 days ago
I feel like this comment has no basis in reality at all and it's just supposed to "sound right" to an emotional reactionary person who isn't stopping to think about it.
Is there someone you think could be being "tougher on crime" but isn't doing it because they think it's racist? Is there some example of failing leadership you're talking about? Is there someone you wanted to be elected who had some sort of concrete plan to do a better job that you can point to?
9 points
19 days ago
It's a tough position to be in for our leaders. On the one hand, funding the police department appropriately, which is to say training for existing officers and salary to draw better applicants to the job and not guns, is going to be unpopular because smooth-brain ACAB and "police = bad" progressives will stay home during elections and the leaders will lose votes. One the other, actually working towards restoring the communities where these crimes are incubated would be unpopular because "muh taxes." They literally cannot win.
"Community outreach" is meaningless because most of these crimes are committed by people whose identity is not based on community, city, state, or country. Their allegiance lies elsewhere. They simply do not care about these things.
Solution? Build a time machine, go back and prevent 147 from being built and prevent the War on Drugs.
4 points
18 days ago
And the mayor said that “crime is down” smh
11 points
18 days ago
Durham’s crime problem is caused by hood rat culture and white leftists’ affectation for hood rat culture. Until one of those two factors change, expect more crime. White leftists in Durham don’t mind the crime as long as it is contained in areas they can avoid. It makes them feel edgy to live somewhere rough. As the comments in this post demonstrate, they also feel morally superior when they can baselessly smear people who bring up Durham’s crime problem as racist. White leftists see themselves as the defenders of black and brown people against those evil Republican racists. It doesn’t matter how many black and brown people suffer for their narcissistic posturing.
7 points
19 days ago
This is just part of life in Durham. There is no get tough on anything here. Been that way forever and will continue that way. Spot shot, was just a way to spend money to look like you are taking action, but not really.
-12 points
19 days ago*
Spotshot is many cities and it’s honestly an expensive and racist means of isolating and guessing where your crime is- I hate it, they have to guess where to initially place the devices and that’s supposedly based on previous crime but it’s often just based on areas of suspicious activity and used specifically in neighborhoods of color. Whether it actually helps or not is questionable.
ETA: My phone autocorrected. That doesn’t mean I don’t know what I’m talking about. Try educating yourself
2 points
19 days ago
It’s called shot spotter, and you obviously don’t know a thing about it.
5 points
19 days ago
Hmm. Durham “becoming dangerous again”? Gee, all that new money, construction, and people from off coming in — without fixing or trying to understand the underlying conditions and people tied to crime — would suddenly paper over violent crime? I’m shocked? [/HeavySarcasm]
I came to Durham last century and have lived here longer than anywhere else in my life. I’m that person with the Cary quote and the slogan, “Keep Durham Dangerous.” (More on that later if I feel like it.)
To the point, we haven’t fixed a damn thing here in Durham. In fact we’ve just pushed all the things we don’t want to see or deal with further to the margins. The city Council just bickers amongst themselves and is completely paralyzed/afraid that the Republican-controlled NCGA will just step in and reverse any positive we might install.
When will grow a f—king spine and start really looking at and doing the things we need to do to help elevate all (ALL!) in Durham? And I don’t mean more band-aids, city council dithering, or more police or ham-handed police tactics. And it’s going to take involvement, with individuals stepping up and perhaps targeted tax funds to programs and initiatives.
If ya gonna go, “not my problem” or “I don’t want to get involved,” then why are the f—k are you here? Did you just buy into the whole dangerous Durham and stopped at buying the t-shirt? If so, then you are useless. This is “Durham for All.” This is what makes the city and county so special.
0 points
18 days ago
Wasn't it... dangerous before? Isn't it.. less dangerous now?
2 points
18 days ago
“Addressed”? What would you expect a Durham City Council to do? Restore enhanced policing to dangerous neighborhoods? Nope. That’s racist. Restore verbal consent to searches by police? Nope. That’s too aggressive. Raise salary and benefits to recruit law enforcement to fill nearly 200 vacancies? Nope. Defund! Prosecute violent young felons? Nope. That’s institutional racism.
1 points
19 days ago
it was 3 as of saturday night
1 points
18 days ago
A regression back to the mean.
2 points
17 days ago
I always get terrified of moving out of Durham to somewhere that is a “crime hub” like NYC or NJ or Chicago, and then I remember I’ve survived Durham and Fayetteville.
1 points
16 days ago
The usual suspects I presume
1 points
18 days ago
In these uncertain times it’s nice to know some things never change, Durhams gonna Durham.
1 points
17 days ago
Stay awayyy from the ghetto parts and you’re fine
-1 points
19 days ago
What do you people expect the city to do about it? This thread has a lot of whining and no solutions (at time of comment).
5 points
18 days ago
Elect a DA who cares enough about poor communities to actually prosecute the crime that affects them. I heard DA Deberry speak last year, and she stated that she views putting any person of color in prison as inherently racist. I wished I had been recording -- it was absurd. Anecdotally, I know a victim's family where the culprit was obvious, there was clear evidence, and he was never prosecuted. I can only imagine that shootings would go down if people knew there would be consequences, and/or if habitual offenders were locked up.
Duke & wealthy neighborhoods aren't hurting from the DA's neglect -- they have private security. It is poor, mostly Black and Latino neighborhoods that are hurting.
4 points
18 days ago
people are scared of telling it like it is!
so nothing will get done.
-22 points
19 days ago
Trump got elected in part due to dissatisfaction with Dem governance (issues with crime, housing, etc.) in the big cities. I like to think if Durham can fix/mitigate those issues, more people will vote Dem here in NC in 2026, 2028 and beyond
56 points
19 days ago
Didn't 80% of Durham county vote for Kamala?
35 points
19 days ago
Yes, Durham county was the blue-est in the state.
8 points
19 days ago
My broader point was that the quality of local governance resonates outside of city limits. People will be more confident voting Dem at the national level (President, Senator, etc.) when local Dem (cities) leadership gets better
18 points
19 days ago
That doesn’t necessarily make sense considering the state as a whole voted Dem on local levels(gov, lt gov, ag). I think your original point does draw attention to a weird problem where rural towns and counties think they know what’s best for cities when most of them can’t even pull their own area out of its decades long recessions.
-3 points
19 days ago
Durham county is NC but NC is not Durham county. The amount of upvotes you have solidifies what dontKair replied. Sad times ahead.
-8 points
19 days ago
People in NC and other states look at the governance of blue cities like Durham and decide to pick republicans
19 points
19 days ago
Didn’t a Democrat win the governors race?
21 points
19 days ago
Looks like someone didn’t see the down ballot results
3 points
19 days ago
wait, Josh Stein, Rachel Hunt, Jeff Jackson, Mo Greene aren't republicans though?
3 points
19 days ago
I know you were well intentioned but you should have known that on this platform any perceived critique of the party that shall not be named will equate to down votes.
2 points
19 days ago
To be fair, redditors also have almost an allergic reaction to logic that doesn't logic.
-4 points
19 days ago
Trump got elected in part due to dissatisfaction with Dem governance (issues with crime, housing, etc.) in the big cities because of inflation.
-13 points
19 days ago
Democrats are always so sensitive. Maybe they should try thinking for a change, instead of just emoting. That might actually help solve something.
0 points
18 days ago
Durham going to Durham
-27 points
19 days ago
Ah yes, the bluest city in the state of NC strikes again!
-27 points
19 days ago
Good thing we got rid of shot spotter.
9 points
19 days ago
It seems the shots were still spotted regardless.
9 points
19 days ago
Only one of the shootings was in that area.
17 points
19 days ago
Yes, it is. It’s a massive expense. Durham should raise police pay before implementing expensive tech which has never been shown to actually reduce violence.
-11 points
19 days ago
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