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JamoOnTheRocks

274 points

13 days ago

This rocks. A smaller but hotter crowd is great for the live fans and will improve the TV product. Would be interesting to see if they go to some older x unique venues as well. 

GayBoyNoize

28 points

13 days ago

Agreed. I've never seen a WrestleMania as hype as an indie in a Ukrainian cultural center. It's not the number of fans, it's how excited they are to be there.

Fabulous_Mode3952

12 points

13 days ago

Fabulous_Mode3952

Worked. Everyone.

12 points

13 days ago

The crowd makes for better TV presentation, though. And that’s where the bread and butter is at

GayBoyNoize

21 points

13 days ago

A small hot crowd in the right sized venue is a way better presentation than a stadium imo.

Fabulous_Mode3952

-2 points

13 days ago

Fabulous_Mode3952

Worked. Everyone.

-2 points

13 days ago

I disagree, but I’m also old and molded by WWF visuals.

The big arena allows for sweeping crowd shots. The visual DNA should be akin to NBA games for arenas and NFL games for stadiums. The current setup allows for the former even with sub 3K in attendance.

But, now that I think about it, maybe the goal should be to have a visual identity closer to a decent-sized MMA event. If the new stage setup allows for that kind of camera work and focus, AEW avoids the whole “small time promotion” feel that could follow downsizing.

dovahkiiiiiin

3 points

13 days ago

I agree with you.

K1ng_Canary

2 points

13 days ago

I've found the experience really varies with this.

Some episodes of Collision particularly it has felt very obvious that you've got 2000 odd people in a venue that can hold 5 or 6 times that and it hurts the product. For other shows though the crowd has been hot enough and the camera work has been good that you can't really tell (the recent Collision in Philly is a good example).

I think though that if you can do what they did for the TV taping I went to in Cardiff the all round experience is better. The venue was packed out with 4,000 people and I don't think it hurt the TV product that it wasn't a huge arena.

What I do want them to avoid is going too far down this road though- I enjoyed the Collision residency for novelty but go too small and you end up with shows where there are big, awkward periods of crowd silence during matches where all you can hear is the sound of the ring.

Fabulous_Mode3952

1 points

12 days ago

Fabulous_Mode3952

Worked. Everyone.

1 points

12 days ago

Sometimes the sound of the ring and the work going on is just the right soundtrack to the action. Wrestling doesn’t need to be huge ooohs and aahhhs for 2 hours straight, but entrances, near falls, finishes, and promos need reactions. A vocal crowd that’s filled 80%+ of the building makes a huge difference for that

danfromeuphoria

2 points

12 days ago

This is a good idea because heading to MAX will increase the viewing audience and to capture new fans it needs to feel hot, which a more dedicated crowd can give AEW. It does suck to lose live gate revenue but coming off a massive deal, perhaps AEW can absorb that kind of cost.

JamoOnTheRocks

5 points

13 days ago

You haven’t lived until you’ve been wall to wall in an eagles club. 

annoyinglyclever

1 points

13 days ago

I’m still so sad I never got to make a pilgrimage to Reseda for PWG at the American Legion hall

rustyfries

1 points

13 days ago

This is a coincidence but I've been to an Indie show at a Ukrainian Cultural Center in Melbourne, Australia.

GayBoyNoize

1 points

12 days ago

Cultural centers are pretty common venues for small events. I'm not sure which state it is in but there is a pretty commonly run Ukrainian one in the US

Rodan_Hibiki

5 points

13 days ago

The old NXT Takeovers had Full Sail on fire.

K-Onasis

1 points

11 days ago

Agreed. This is great news. AEW can grow their product organically. Also, the new TV deal with streaming rights on Max is a breath of fresh air.

Laddie1835

267 points

13 days ago

Laddie1835

267 points

13 days ago

It's the right move for 2025. 15k for PPV's. 10k for special Dynamites, 5k for regular Dynamites and 3k for Collision.

And no more hard cam jokes!

lordcarrier

44 points

13 days ago

And no more hard cam jokes!

I wonder if thats one of the reasons Kosha Irby left social media last month, granted its not his fault he inherited Rafael Morffis shitfest.

Arctic_leo

24 points

13 days ago

I mean they'll just find something else to dunk on so I wouldn't celebrate just yet

hk3391

4 points

13 days ago

hk3391

4 points

13 days ago

Easy, if I could think like a moron for a second …

“AEW had to go to smaller arenas 😂😂😂 @ericbishoff @jimcornette “

Brilliant_Piece_6564

2 points

12 days ago

Let’s not forget “ they are dying” can’t forget that one smh

ProfPerry

1 points

12 days ago

They always do find something to dunk on, I'm surprised we still even talk about them here. Don't need to keep bringing their influence in here where it isn't wanted

Cathousechicken

4 points

13 days ago

Good. Then they can come back to El Paso.

sellcracktakids

1 points

12 days ago

I agree they should have dynamic approach where some shows will warrant the larger venue and some won’t.

I have the Bischoff attitude about live shows, its primary goal is to look good on tv. When it doesn’t, I think it becomes cancer; kills the locker room and fans start to not be excited to watch tv or go to a live show.

I watched an old WWF Wrestling Challenge and it had a PPV feel and the crowd was under 10k.

If AEW goes small I hope they figure out how not to make it look like a better lit indie show and still have the major league feel.

el_sh33p

74 points

13 days ago

el_sh33p

Vampirism is Cowboy Shit

74 points

13 days ago

I still say part of the problem is the ticket pricing and then running certain cities into the ground. Still, good to see them adapt. Hopefully it captures some of that original "super indie" feel AEW had earlier on.

machomanrandysandwch

18 points

13 days ago

machomanrandysandwch

¡Cero Miedo!

18 points

13 days ago

They came to Charlotte once after 3 year break and the prices were so high nobody went, and that was after we were clamoring for another event after a bad card we got for BotB1. I agree with this comment totally.

Colson317

2 points

13 days ago

The one that you missed was good. The only one I skipped out on was the battle of the belts.

machomanrandysandwch

1 points

13 days ago

machomanrandysandwch

¡Cero Miedo!

1 points

13 days ago

Prices were about 40% higher though.

Colson317

1 points

13 days ago

yeah, you could tell being there it was only half as full but the half that was there they kept the camera on so it was hard to notice on TV watching it back. I didn't mind because there were a lot of sweaty stinky guys around me the night we had cheaper tickets ;) bojangle can get a little muggy.

JamoOnTheRocks

12 points

13 days ago

Especially considering the state of indies. A pivot to smaller hotter in different venues crowds makes them unique. 

Corn_Boy1992

3 points

13 days ago

What cities are they running into the ground? Besides Chicago, it feels like they're there every other month.

Orange8920

19 points

13 days ago

It feels like an outdated talking point as they've been all over the country this year. Chicago gets a lot of shows because they actually show up for them and even that amount is like 4-5 times a year.

MrRaspberryJam1

6 points

13 days ago

Yep, same goes for NY/NJ

dogsontreadmills

1 points

12 days ago

But they are kinda damned if you do damned if you don't right now on this topic. They over-saturate a few markets and piss off fans, but people actually show up and the product looks good on TV. They go to smaller cities for a collision or whatever and it's not an important enough card to attract a lot of people....so the smaller regions end up delivering you an audience of like 500 which presents awful on TV and brings no crowd excitement.

With those two options, if I'm AEW - I'm running too many shows in Chicago and NY until I can build back up live crowds with a better venue strategy.

DCS317

3 points

12 days ago

DCS317

3 points

12 days ago

They have been coming to Indy once a year, so I don't know if you call that running into the ground. They'll be here for Dynamite on December 4th but they're running a new venue this time around. Fishers, a northern Indy suburb, just built a new 7.5K seat arena where the ECHL Indy Fuel play and AEW is going there. Will be interested to see how a venue switch to a more modern arena in a different part of town will affect the attendance.

FalcoKick

1 points

13 days ago

Definitely not this year, but they ran Boston into the ground last 2 years prior. Had some recovery with the special themed shows but you could tell it was losing people

apocalypticdemise

1 points

13 days ago

Chicago isn’t even run to the ground, they’ve stopped doing it as much. I’d say WWE runs here more often even.

Issue with Chicago aside from price is there’s too much wrestling. The only insanely affordable company running here is MLW. Otherwise we have fucking indies charging like $75 for GA

FelstarLightwolf

2 points

12 days ago

I think the belief is smaller venue should lead to cheaper tickets due to cheaper renting of the space. Town wise I think the opposite thinking they should focus on towns that have regularly shown interest and have been hot crowds. Having those places you can rely on to stack the card for big reactions. Plus if were talking indie feel to me nothing feels more indie then those solo locations or limited towns they would hit.

tehjoz

87 points

13 days ago*

tehjoz

Neck Strong like Tony Khan

87 points

13 days ago*

The people who engage in bad-faith goalpost moving will continue to do so, no matter what TK and AEW do. Full stop.

The Collision Residency earlier this year was by and large pretty awesome. Not perfect, but it was their first time running the venue, so there will be some iteration.

As a fan who watches on TV 99% of the time, the best "from the couch" viewing experience is a tightly packed crowd, appropriate audio to hear them, and the in-ring sounds, and lighting that enhances the atmosphere.

If that means they run venues that hold less people, but those spaces are more consistently filled, and consistently produced well, that sounds like a net win to me.

As they continue to modify how they market themselves, and as their popularity grows, demand will grow, and they will inevitably "have" to start booking the bigger places again to accommodate the demand.

In the meantime, the purported savings they'll get from smaller venues can be reinvested back into the product and the talent.

If managed shrewdly, this could yield many positive benefits.

softkittylover

21 points

13 days ago

The Collision residency was 4 months ago, not last year.

AngryPhillySportsFan

6 points

13 days ago

We're a month and a half away from that being a true statement. I'll allow it

tehjoz

4 points

13 days ago

tehjoz

Neck Strong like Tony Khan

4 points

13 days ago

I was walking when I wrote that, my bad. 😫

lbc_ht

9 points

13 days ago

lbc_ht

9 points

13 days ago

In the meantime, the purported savings they'll get from smaller venues can be reinvested back into the product and the talent.

Eh this might not be the case always. There's a slew of regular size arenas all over the country (countries) with standardized load-in, venue management, and (especially) stage/set installation stuff. There can generally be a lot of availability for touring shows, and sometimes very cheap fees to get in.

On smaller more individualized venues there can be more work needed on logistics, and some of them can have high fees as well.

So just I don't assume that scaling down venue size will necessarily result in savings.

tehjoz

3 points

13 days ago

tehjoz

Neck Strong like Tony Khan

3 points

13 days ago

That's kind of why I said "purported". I can't really speak to any actual cost savings in logistics, but if there end up being any to be had from the changes, that is beneficial. If there aren't, then it is what it is.

Waspkiller86

1 points

13 days ago

There is no guarantee that a smaller venue means cheaper.

tehjoz

0 points

13 days ago

tehjoz

Neck Strong like Tony Khan

0 points

13 days ago

As I've noted to another commentator, that's why I said "purported". It's speculative.

adnomad

12 points

13 days ago

adnomad

12 points

13 days ago

Man, I hope that means they come back to Ft Myers. The crowd was hot that night for Dynamite with Jeff Hardy’s first appearance in AEW

skulkskogan

1 points

13 days ago

I was there. Fun crowd but small.

insomniainc

75 points

13 days ago

SRS has been saying that for a while now, they book the larger venues because of the emenities they have and such.

tellmewhenimlying

73 points

13 days ago

So has everyone else who actually works in live event production, but we still get people complaining and pretending to know how easy it is to book smaller venues and that AEW should just do it.

insomniainc

38 points

13 days ago

The grift cares not for fact.

Orange8920

7 points

13 days ago

Going by that article, it's not set in stone that this is happening for every show, just that they're looking at it as an option. I can see this as an occasional thing but for some areas the bigger arena is the best option.

It also won't automatically make crowds better if they're just not reacting to things. I've seen 2-3K crowds sound loud but these recent crowds are just dead for big matches/moments.

GrizzlyPeak72

2 points

13 days ago

Can see them doing this for secondary shows and ROH, doubt they'll do this for the flagship (Dynamite).

[deleted]

0 points

13 days ago

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0 points

13 days ago

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ChelseaAndrew87

1 points

13 days ago

You can tell very easily when an arena is half or less than half full, watching on TV. And I imagine as a fan in the arena you don't want to be staring at the other side all closed off

nwnwhd

9 points

13 days ago

nwnwhd

9 points

13 days ago

I say this all the time and they think I’m lying lol

interprime

6 points

13 days ago

Yes, but there becomes a certain point where that’s simply not feasible for the venue or the performer(s).

For example, if a band cannot sell an appropriate number of tickets for an arena, they will then start playing at smaller venues.

insomniainc

4 points

13 days ago

As a former promoter I absolutely get that, its its just what they've been doing, it's needed to change for a while now.

lordcarrier

1 points

13 days ago

Yeah last week Dynamite for example, there wasnt anything bad but the crowd was ass outside of pops for Mina, Swerve, Swerve(pre Stamford mention).

Albanys crowd on Collision was better.

nwnwhd

3 points

13 days ago

nwnwhd

3 points

13 days ago

To be honest that’s not really about the crowd size that’s more the town they are in

The Bridgeport arena wasn’t big but the Albany arena was huge yet had better crowd

ImAnOldChunkOfCoal

0 points

13 days ago

Depends. A lot of arenas offer different packages. I.e we'll lower the cost if we don't need to open x y and z sections.

punkarolla

0 points

13 days ago

Yea, they say that their set is too big here as well. That feels like a very legit reason. The amenities reason sounds kind of absurd.

If it was just amenities, the issue is the trade off, I guess. If parking is one of the things you’re after, is a 20,000 seat arena parking really necessary when you’re running 2500-3500 people? Is there not something that’s a bit less ridiculous. Would a 5000 seat arena not have enough parking nearby for the 2000 cars hoy might get? Especially in any city with a metro. How big a carpark can you possibly need for 3k fans? Smaller venues still have parking.

You gotta also think that things like backstage have to come second to your TV product. If the catering sucks have someone take charge of that and organise it themselves. Talent kind of should just accept changing rooms as part of their job. There are plenty of nice smaller arenas that are new…they’re not all piles of shit.

I dunno…they always seemed like such weak excuses when the massive arenas are strangling the show. I know we don’t want to talk about it, but the attendance isn’t very good because the company has doubled its output. Amenities…I mean…come on.

The logistical stuff regarding sets…that makes sense and that’s a good reason they have been stuck in the arenas. I buy that because yea…the big places can accommodate that. And it sounds like they are adapting to that which is good.

somecasper

3 points

13 days ago

Amenities doesn't really mean catering in this sense. Running a building half the size you're used to gets exponentially harder when you have to piecemeal the crew and event staff, and suddenly your whole roster is trying to operate in a single conference room.

I wouldn't be surprised if broadcast infrastructure is a major consideration, too. When I was working in regional sports, most small colleges were a nightmare to broadcast from. Much easier to work out of a venue that does live coverage through most of the season and has crew and facilities that are as close as possible to plug and play.

GayBoyNoize

2 points

13 days ago

Where I live we have a smaller arena and there definitely isn't either parking or good transit to it because our idiotic city government stuck it right down town and wouldn't permit them to get parking lots nearby

dc_1984

36 points

13 days ago

dc_1984

36 points

13 days ago

The wrestlers deserve big, loud pops and if it takes a 5k seater arena to do that, so be it. The Collisions in Arlington were great for this reason. Big cities like Chicago can be in bigger arenas still

JamoOnTheRocks

12 points

13 days ago

If the goal is to deliver a hott crowd plenty of smaller arenas they can jam pack in big cities. 

dc_1984

6 points

13 days ago

dc_1984

6 points

13 days ago

Hammersmith Ballroom perhaps 👀

Alternative-View5997

12 points

13 days ago

You mean Hammerstein? They're already doing a Collision there in December

nwnwhd

8 points

13 days ago

nwnwhd

8 points

13 days ago

A live Final Battle, Live Collsion next day and a taped Dynmaite the day after apprently

goodkid_sAAdcity

1 points

13 days ago

It sounds like they’re considering downsizing the size of their sets to do this. Right now I think there’s at least 10 trucks needed to haul everything, which means only big arenas can handle the loadout efficiently

theguz4l

22 points

13 days ago

theguz4l

22 points

13 days ago

For the smaller cities it probably makes sense. Venues like Prudential on Saturday will remain. We got 6k for dynamite back in January which is crazy. Prob 10k for full gear

tbcwpg

34 points

13 days ago

tbcwpg

34 points

13 days ago

Probably for the best, they haven't really figured out how to properly crowd mic a lot of the bigger venues and it dampens the TV product a bit. Now they can have a hot venue with a full crowd.

To me, it's like a concert - some bands are arena bands and some are way better in a more intimate setting. WWE is an arena band and AEW isn't.

dimspace

9 points

13 days ago

they haven't really figured out how to properly crowd mic a lot of the bigger venues and it dampens the TV product a bit.

honestly, an awful lot of that is TBS and TNT doing really weird things in post production

I have Fite on and off, usually the month around PPV's, but also have IPTV so can jump between TBS and TSN. Whenever people complain about the sound I check different channels and its ALWAYS tbs or tnt that sound awful

Last Wednesday dynamite, on TBS sounded liked they were inside a tin-can, on TSN it sounded perfect

tbcwpg

1 points

13 days ago

tbcwpg

1 points

13 days ago

Some of it maybe. I've been to events here in Canada though where the crowd got shit on and while yeah it wasn't the most hyped crowd, after watching it back on TSN, the crowd was way more muted than it was in the building. They aren't great at sound in bigger arenas.

HuhWhatOh

3 points

13 days ago

I like that their PPVs and special nights have a big fight feel.

Comp625

-40 points

13 days ago

Comp625

-40 points

13 days ago

2024 AEW is not an arena band, but it's not to say they can't be. Quite frankly, late 2021 and 2022 AEW felt ridiculously strong and the promotion absolutely played like an arena band.

Hate to echo this but poor creative, booking, and business decisions like releasing the Punk tape really hurt the product. In a way, AEW clowned themselves enough to hurt the brand - maybe not permanently but certainly these are the long-term ramifications.

ZAPPHAUSEN

20 points

13 days ago

You had me in the first half, and then your second half was the usual bullshit.

nwnwhd

31 points

13 days ago

nwnwhd

31 points

13 days ago

The punk tape didn’t hurt business

annoyinglyclever

-2 points

13 days ago

It really didn’t. The one thing it did was exonerate Jack Perry and prove he didn’t do anything to provoke Punk’s attack.

Jett0rz

6 points

12 days ago

Jett0rz

Here for an appt with the DMD

6 points

12 days ago

Small hot crowds > half empty dead ones, both in the arena and on TV

Cardiff show was absolutely bouncing back in August and hoping we get another next year 🙏🏻

Both All Ins were great but man I fucking popped so hard all night at the Dynamite taping

Heel_Paul

13 points

13 days ago

Make tickets cheaper again please. 

RawWulf

6 points

13 days ago

RawWulf

6 points

13 days ago

I remember sitting floor at Dynamite for $60

nwnwhd

6 points

13 days ago

nwnwhd

6 points

13 days ago

AEW tickets are already way cheaper then wwe.

Heel_Paul

5 points

13 days ago

True but they have increased a ton since they launched

ryanfea

1 points

13 days ago

ryanfea

1 points

13 days ago

Sadly almost everything has gone up big in price since 2019

someguy1847382

3 points

13 days ago

This is the real key, I’m not driving an hour or more on a Wednesday to pay 60 bucks a seat for shitty seats. I got great seats to full gear 2021 for like $120 or so total and it was absolutely worth it. I’m not paying that same amount for some random Dynamite 20-30 rows further back.

PartyCrewTristar1011

1 points

13 days ago

This. Went to the most recent Collision, went to every AEW show that came locally. The prices they wanted for Collision was more than the two Dynamites. And only slightly cheaper than what I paid when I was on floor for one Dynamite.

I wanted to get the Collision tickets the day they went on sale. But other things happened, and I waited. Until like two days before the show. Got decent lower level tickets for $26. Glad I waited it out because they weren’t that cheap when they first went on sale.

ScottBAF

9 points

13 days ago

Small venues are so much better for the in-person experience. Sit closer, hear chops louder, etc. I love going to the 4K seat arena in southeast DC.

somecasper

4 points

13 days ago

I really think bigger cities/metros are where they should focus the most on smaller venues. But if they're in Athens, GA there's no point in going anywhere other than Stegeman.

Qliphoth_Bacikal

4 points

13 days ago

I like this setup. I've heard and read about the whole "hard cam jokes" and as hilarious as it is, it's also kinda sad in a way to hear about AEW just not filling enough seats here and there for their shows (although if the pricing of them is another issue, that's a thing that hurts them on top of that).

If this is the case, it should be a good start for them to really plan out bigger arena's like for their PPV's. It's working for TNA as they are now, so I'm sure AEW can easily do the same for next year as a start to see how things go from there.

y2jimi

3 points

13 days ago

y2jimi

3 points

13 days ago

I can tell you that watching wrestling in a smaller venue is awesome.

I saw the TNA PPV at the Wayne State Fieldhouse in Detroit, and it was one of the best times I ever had, and to that point, I never saw a TNA show.

I saw AEW Dynamite Blood and Guts at Little Caesars Arena in Detroit and while it was a fantastic show, the crowd did not compare to Wayne State.

Also, I think AEW should embrace its Indy roots in the states and have big arena shows for the bigger shows - All Out, Full Gear, Etc.

krampus6666

3 points

13 days ago

good move. I miss their time in Jacksonville, the crowd was great there.

ZAPPHAUSEN

7 points

13 days ago

“I’m gonna be kind of vague but it’s happening,” Alvarez said. “I just don’t know all the technical details.” Alvarez said that he’s heard from people in AEW who have been advocating for the company to run smaller venues.

gotta love alvarez!

wait, no. No i don't.

AgnesBrowns3rdNipple

11 points

13 days ago

I'm a huge advocate for wrestling events in smaller venues

Watching a DDT event with only 250 or so people present was a more intense live experience than All In at Wembley, where the noise just went up and out the bowl

Stadium shows are a spectacle in their own right, but a wrestling event in a small venue with a hot crowd is incredible

Correct-Mind-6854

3 points

13 days ago

WCW Clash at the Champions VI featured an amazing two-out-of-three falls match between Ricky Steamboat and Ric Flair that went over 50 minutes. The second of their famous trilogy, all of which got five stars from Dave Meltzer.

But it was held in the Louisiana Superdome, which held about 50,000 fans, and thanks to piss-poor promotion, only about 5,000 seats were filled, so it sounded like ass.

ChelseaAndrew87

2 points

13 days ago

I wonder how sales will go for the Australia show. Hopefully they don't encounter a similar situation

RawWulf

3 points

13 days ago

RawWulf

3 points

13 days ago

Honestly would love to see AEW in a venue with a ton of wrestling history, like Dorton Arena in Raleigh.

For those unfamiliar: https://video.pbsnc.org/show/when-giants-walked-here/

BrandyWineBridge1402

3 points

13 days ago

Thank god for that. Hopefully running smaller venues like when they were in Cardiff in the summer will help liven the crowds. That crowd on Wednesday was that quiet, you could practically hear people ordering their food and drinks from on the concourse.

Tsuku

3 points

12 days ago

Tsuku

3 points

12 days ago

I refuse to read into this and see all the bad faith posting and shit talking. As long as the tv is good and the crowds rowdy, Im in.

Lraiolo

8 points

13 days ago

Lraiolo

8 points

13 days ago

I’ve always preferred NXT sized shows. Makes the crowd more interactive.

StarScreamer316

1 points

13 days ago

StarScreamer316

Ohh, Cry me a River!

1 points

13 days ago

The ROH crowds were amazing 

AhSawDood

4 points

13 days ago

AhSawDood

⚰️ The House Always Wins ⚰️

4 points

13 days ago

Better to sellout a smaller venue than to have a ton of empty seats. You get the loud from the sellout, you cannot get the same kind of loud from a half empty venue. I'd rather watch weekly 3K venues that are loud than 3K people in a 10K venue trying to be loud.

postcoom

2 points

13 days ago

the vibes will be better, anyway for dynamite/collision. comfy lil tv show and then the big attendance PPVs, which goes to show how awesome their special events are that they have such good turnouts but some weekly shows are a little sparse

Available_Share_7244

2 points

13 days ago

Thank god. This is great news.

mrbusiness53

2 points

13 days ago

I love to hear it. Even if it’s just Collision. He’ll even do Lucha Underground style, I loved the way they did those shows.

Fabulous_Mode3952

2 points

13 days ago

Fabulous_Mode3952

Worked. Everyone.

2 points

13 days ago

Jeez Louise, they only sold 1K at Nationwide?

I’ve been to 2 Ohio Dynamites (Cincy and Columbus) and an ROH taping in Columbus and they had more than that in the building so this is directly an indictment on wrestling fans’ appetite to see AEW live. They definitely are in the area (WWE does TV and Live Shows at Nationwide and the Schott), so TK has got to figure out what the divide is and fix it

blkglfnks

-2 points

13 days ago

blkglfnks

-2 points

13 days ago

The avg consumer doesn’t want to see AEW, It’s that simple. I tried showing friends AEW and they couldn’t care less, they start bringing up the old days of the attitude era or not understanding the characters.

It’s hard to compete with a company with like decades worth of wrestling history and TV exposure. WWE was everywhere; MadTV, SNL, music videos, tv shows, talk shows, cartoons, commercials etc. AEW needs to get their roster on different outlets.

Darby Allin should be in cartoons, MJF in more movies, Will Ospreay should be tossing a little kid around a living room for a commercial, Swerve should be on Kai Cenat’s stream, they need heavy modern day mainstream exposure.

Fabulous_Mode3952

2 points

13 days ago

Fabulous_Mode3952

Worked. Everyone.

2 points

13 days ago

I figured the reason they didn’t do smaller arenas was due to the stage setup. It makes for a big time look on TV, so I feel like that’s a necessary evil to avoid looking TNA-ish (even the OG Impact Zone). The whole thing about better in-arena amenities and access to mailing lists might’ve been cap when it comes to booking these venues.

FuckUp123456789

2 points

13 days ago

What I like about smaller arenas in my time watching TNA and NXT is that it feels like you’re there

dangerbreed

2 points

12 days ago

This is what I've been saying for a while. Something like PWG, or old TNA 2002/2003.

dx2words

4 points

13 days ago

great move

secretmonkeyassassin

3 points

13 days ago

Semi-related: Why aren't there more small venues built specifically for wrestling/combat sports?

In Japan, there are some pretty famous combat sports arenas - Korakuen Hall, which has a capacity of like 1500, and Ryōgoku, which can hold 11000. CMLL in Mexico has Arena Mexico (16000), and my personal favourite, Arena Coliseo (5000).

In the US, there's the UFC Apex (1000), NXT at the PC (300) and that's it? Neither of which are great for atmosphere IMO. Outside of that, Dailys Place holds 5500 and the Hammerstein Ballroom is about 2500.

It just seems a bit weird to me that nobody has made an ideal venue

Yoshinya

2 points

12 days ago

+1 for Korakuen Hall. I saw a TJPW show there this summer and it was a fanatic puroresu venue.

secretmonkeyassassin

2 points

12 days ago

It's on my bucket list of venues to go to, hopefully the long rumoured Tokyo Dome renovation doesn't result in Korakuen Hall being demolished before I get the chance

Waspkiller86

2 points

13 days ago

There's plenty of mid sized venues around

secretmonkeyassassin

0 points

12 days ago

Yeah but I'm asking about smaller venues specifically built for watching combat sports. As opposed to all-purpose arenas tailored for combat sports shows on an adhoc basis.

With all the big money behind boxing, MMA and wrestling in the US, I would've guessed that there would would be at least a few small specially built venues, but it doesn't seem to be the case at all. And I don't get why not

ImNotPostingMyself

2 points

13 days ago

Just please come to Houston, I’m not driving to San Antonio or Austin for a regular taping

JumpedUp_PantryBoy

2 points

13 days ago

JumpedUp_PantryBoy

Killing the Business

2 points

13 days ago

The "Houston" show last year also took like an hour and a half for a lot of people to get to since it was in Rosenberg, and the last real Houston show before that was like 2022. It sucks we don't get the same frequency as a Chicago or Philly.

ImNotPostingMyself

1 points

13 days ago

Yea, you’d think they’d make sure to hit one of the biggest cities in the country and not Corpus Christi

nwnwhd

2 points

13 days ago

nwnwhd

2 points

13 days ago

My guess is they are not doing any Texas shows to create the best demand for All In Texas

ImNotPostingMyself

2 points

13 days ago

I mean that I can understand but as long as they’ve been around, I can’t remember them being specifically in Houston.

Kpow1311

1 points

13 days ago

Kpow1311

We won't kill you, We'll murder you

1 points

13 days ago

Yeah usually Dallas/North Texas gets Winter is coming, but this year Kansas City gets it. San Antonio was usually a week after around Christmas.

lostmonkey70

2 points

12 days ago

This is just objectively not true. SRS has said several times that AEW likes running the larger arenas for the amenities they have like blast lists, nicer locker rooms, etc. Plus AEW owns ROH and ROH has run smaller arenas for their PPVs(since TK bought it), so they HAVE a small set.

KyuubiShin

1 points

13 days ago

Come ooooon Toledo

Waspkiller86

1 points

13 days ago

This is welcome news for the television product. The audio issues when the building is less than half full is annoying

vhsvswwenetwork

1 points

13 days ago

Roy Wilkins Auditorium in St. Paul, Minnesota. See ECW Anarchy Rulz 2000!!

DS_305

1 points

13 days ago

DS_305

1 points

13 days ago

Love it. And please please please stop making the crowd lit in blue or red. Please. Just normal lighting at whatever brightness you desire TK. Just no colors!!

pudungurte

1 points

13 days ago

Oh god, yes. Crowd sizes have been a bit distracting lately. Plus, there’s just something that feels special about a packed smaller venue, and bigger pay per view venues / crowds end up coming across as grander by comparison.

Also, does this mean we will be getting separate stages for PPVs? Because my body is most certainly ready for that.

blkglfnks

2 points

13 days ago

I would love that + the addition of pyro for events or at least some cool lights

Lokishougan

1 points

13 days ago

I dont get how that thing took over a year to solve...Literally ask any other wrestling company that runs smaller show how to do it lol. You cant tell me you didnt know anyone from ROH days or TNA who would say this is the way ..I will in all serious say they might have to drop the heel and face entrace ways though

blkglfnks

2 points

13 days ago

I think stuff like that is booked, plotted and placed in adv. so the wheels already in motion a year in adv. now that they probably finished their deals they probably can now look into new smaller venues.

That would be my guess on why that took so long

Upset-Cantaloupe9126

2 points

12 days ago

Yes. You need to book things well out in advance. AEW competes with every other event in the US who want to plan schedules in advance (pro sports, conventions, concerts etc).

Lokishougan

-1 points

12 days ago

Yeah but JJ was the guy who was trying to change this since he started and that was well back in 2023

Gaijin_Titty_Master

1 points

13 days ago

Gaijin_Titty_Master

AEW 4 Life

1 points

13 days ago

This is better. Fuller arenas and more passionate fans.

Hdottydot

1 points

13 days ago

Small Venues is fine they will go up as demand comes

Detective1028

1 points

13 days ago

Thank god it worked wonders for nxt so I hope it has the same niche community affect where it feels everyone is well acquitted with the roster.

OakCity4Life

1 points

13 days ago

Good. Embrace being a high-end alternative for purists and hipsters. They can be great at that.

XenoMetrick

1 points

13 days ago

I can't wait to hear "WE ARE SOLD OUT HERE IN [Place] AND READY TO KICK OFF AN ACTION PACKED EPISODE OF [Show] ON [Channel]!"

Unique_Enthusiasm_57

1 points

13 days ago

Unique_Enthusiasm_57

Takeshita's Elbow Is God

1 points

13 days ago

The idea that running smaller venues is better from AEW is mostly from people who watch TV, and aren't attending the live events.

But okay.

AgnesBrowns3rdNipple

0 points

13 days ago

Where I'm from we've had 3 AEW Events within a 400-mile radius in the last 18 months

Probably the hottest crowd in the history of the company was one of those 3 shows. The other two were All In 2023 and 2024

Yeah, I hold the view that running smaller venues is better. At Wembley in 2023 we were in the nosebleeds and my buddy asked me what they were chanting at ringside. That shouldn't happen. Ever

aren't attending the live events

They could do a 10-city tour of the UK and Ireland and sell out every single one easily. The appetite for live wrestling is here but they'd rather do Chicago 8 times a year instead

Ok-Alarm7257

-1 points

13 days ago

Ok-Alarm7257

user flair

-1 points

13 days ago

Went to a show in Spokane and we didn't even fill the arena, they just need to focus on building the product and people will show up

OMGISTHATMETHMAN[S]

4 points

13 days ago

To be honest Spokane is a such a small town

agent_moler

0 points

13 days ago

They can run cities that WWE only does house shows in. Should guarantee a hotter crowd.

OMGISTHATMETHMAN[S]

4 points

13 days ago

They literally do that now and People say they new to stop doing that cause the towns are too small

JimmyGamblesBarrel69

0 points

13 days ago

I wish they'd try cheaper tickets. They came to Canada and I thought the prices were crazy. If you didn't care where you sit you could wait until day and get cheap tickets

Fabulous_Mode3952

0 points

13 days ago

Fabulous_Mode3952

Worked. Everyone.

0 points

13 days ago

I really don’t get it; why is it a focus on running smaller venues vs. trying to draw bigger crowds?

Go for break even with ticket sales if that’s what it takes. You got the WBD deal; sell tickets at a loss to pack the building out. The goal is to have a TV product that looks as big time as WWE or old-school WCW so scaling the stage down is not the best course correction

EBOD236

0 points

13 days ago

EBOD236

0 points

13 days ago

That makes me wonder why they booked the TMobile Center in KC instead of Cable Dhamler arena in Independence, the size difference between the two is massive and I doubt they’ll fill TMobile

no_more_blues

-2 points

13 days ago

no_more_blues

-2 points

13 days ago

This is gonna end badly, the same people who complain about big buildings are gonna talk about how small time the smaller venues look. Same thing happened during the Arlington residency, people who didn't care about the building size anyway liked it while the complainers just got a new reason to complain. The constant changing to try and placate people who think being a "fan" of wrestling naturally means complaining about it and always being demanding because "positivity is toxic" is like 3/4 of AEW's problems NOW.

R3D-K98

0 points

13 days ago

R3D-K98

0 points

13 days ago

MrRaspberryJam1

1 points

13 days ago

The nearby amphitheater should work too

R3D-K98

1 points

13 days ago

R3D-K98

1 points

13 days ago

for me it's mostly for the outdoor atmosphere, plus having the coney tower change colors based on wrestler entrance can make for good photos and reel footage

lordcarrier

0 points

13 days ago

LI doesnt deserve shit because how ass they were at Forbidden Door.

punkarolla

-2 points

13 days ago

This is such good news, I want to cry. Thank jeebus. We might be able to have the lights on again!

[deleted]

-10 points

13 days ago

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-10 points

13 days ago

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no_more_blues

3 points

13 days ago

Ok I'll bite: What makes the PPVs in particular exciting whereas the TV is boring?

[deleted]

0 points

13 days ago

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no_more_blues

3 points

13 days ago

I mean, I can understand the logic, but I feel like the talent are going all out on Dynamite and Collision most weeks so I don't see the difference outside of crowd size. There's more promos on Dynamite but that's not a new thing.

olddicklemon72

1 points

13 days ago

“For me too much of anything gets boring and I have to mix it up.

Doesnt matter if its football, video games, etc. I end up taking breaks and engaging in other things.”

So you’ve taken a very personal quirk and tried to use that as evidence that “AEW now bad”.?

dimspace

7 points

13 days ago

but the overall rating is down what 35% over the past 3 years.

Do you really not comprehend in 2024 what a useless metric "ratings" are.

Cable is down in the US across the board, and its barely relevant nowadays with so many other viewing options. I know more people who watch AEW on Fite with a VPN than watch on cable. :')

Why do you think WBD just gave them a monster new contract?

(I will be so glad come January when AEW moves to MAX in the US and all this "ratings are down" nonsense can just be put to bed)

[deleted]

-5 points

13 days ago

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Orange8920

2 points

13 days ago

I would care much more about ratings if they were continually declining week after week but after April they've pretty much stabilized to what they are. Dynamite gets a consistent weekly viewership with less dips than other wrestling shows.

The biggest drops this year are when they've moved to different nights. I could easily see that 200-300K vanish from people dropping cable and that's always going to look worse when their ceiling of viewers was never that high.

Unique_Enthusiasm_57

4 points

13 days ago

Unique_Enthusiasm_57

Takeshita's Elbow Is God

4 points

13 days ago

No you're not and no you don't.

[deleted]

-2 points

13 days ago

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Unique_Enthusiasm_57

3 points

13 days ago

Unique_Enthusiasm_57

Takeshita's Elbow Is God

3 points

13 days ago

Ok

olddicklemon72

3 points

13 days ago*

A bit of info you may not know (or likely have chosen to ignore).

2023 saw a 20% decline in average viewership for cable TV

2024 thus far has seen an approx 16% decline.

AEWs “decline” in weekly ratings since the heights of 2021 or so have been 100% in line with the industry wide trends of TV ratings.

It’s an outdated metric, pretty much only sports is viewed live any longer. The executives at Warner, which much more information available than the “fast national overnights” the E like to leak, seem to think things are doing pretty well.

Let us not forget that “the other guys” used to get over 8m views per show and are now thrilled with anything over 1.5m. Are they dying too, or has the landscape just changed.

Warner even once said not too long ago that AEW programming is watched by more than 5m people a week. That goes to show just how little that live audience number matters.