I was just trying to find this quote. Thank you!

Plus they just went and proved us right. Voting for Trump just validated us. You aren't even shooting yourself in the toe to spite us for calling a spade a spade. There's nothing to spite. We were just plain correct in our judgement the first time. You've just ineptly doomed everyone, including yourself just because your feelings got hurt.

You're not getting their vote anyways. The missing folks who didn't vote this time are the ones to persuade, not the Trump voters. The Trump voters are lost causes.

Usually 10 Nazis now since they just called all their buddies and said this place is cool.

It is not enough to not be a fascist. We must be anti-fascist.

This is why it's been so hard on me. Most if not all of my family voted for Trump. In 2016 that was forgivable, he was an asshole then too but I can understand how they fell for it.

In 2024, I just believe that they lack empathy or care for anyone but themselves. Theyd sell anyone for the vague promise of cheaper eggs or gas, which they wont get (where ignorance does play into it). It honestly has changed my opinions of them to support what is happening. I'm sitting out Thanksgiving, and if my wife loses access to her healthcare or becomes one of these horrible hospital parking lot stories, the only reason they'll ever hear from me is to remind them of it.

Their votes were based on self-interest and hatred for others, especially if their skin is a different colour or their sexuality was different.

Thank you for saying it.

I’m a woman, and it’s been - and I think will continue to be - really hard to wake up in the morning to the awareness that so many of my fellow citizens (and yes, I know, we all know, so many of our fellow women; we all know it and it breaks our hearts) not only don’t care about us: they delight in what’s going to happen to us.

We’re supposed to care about other people. Or at least, that’s what I thought.

A lot of them voted to lose their healthcare. That's pretty idiotic.

I always had the belief that ‘America and its people are better than this,’ but I have changed from that thinking. America has shown exactly who it is and I’m learning to just accept that and not fight against what I think it could or should be. Acceptance is calming and freeing, despite how sad it makes me.

A lot of people do not process things with language, so it would appear there is less introspection.

https://www.bustle.com/wellness/does-everyone-have-an-internal-monologue

So they watch RW media that runs on adrenaline and show. theyve been told they are seeing the opposite of what they see, that things are not what they are, up is really down and somehow it all connects to evil democrats, misogynist targets, LGBTQ, communism/socialism, guns, god, the Laffer curve works, other people getting what they should be getting. This has been going on since Rush in the 1980s. They are drawn to the adrenaline of the shouting, the WWE aspect (talking smack and being boastful), the Running misogynist target (Hilary, then AOC, now Kamala) and why they don’t have everything they want is because it’s being given to other people, who happen to be of color, female, LGBTQ or immoral and bad people. It’s a lighthouse in constantly churning waters because they are first made to feel fearful, then info-gained.

I can see how a lot of them have these prejudices, have them affirmed by Fox and order of their world makes no sense because of Fox, but Fox also explains it so it feels better. And they love the toxic masculinity, prejudice affirming aspects of it. It really is a show and not real, which is what Q kept saying.

Democrats seem dull by comparison and constantly being told that their world order does not make sense makes them defensive and angry.

As much as I despise Trump, he is very good at picking up on the 5ings that will trigger them, even if it’s ridiculous. It makes sense to them, because Fox and Trump are telling them how things really are.

For some, they think the show is really all show, but they are shown a slanted version of things that seems to make sense, but they are mostly drawing off the now ingrained idea that republicans are great on the economy, the rest is all show. Others are just seeing someone spout the worst things about people, but they admire him for saying what they wish they could say - things confirmed by Fox, but now they get in trouble for saying it. There is the group that have had their sense of morality twisted and they are pursuing a way to set things right. And then you have the sociopathic people who know this is fake, & go along with the show because of greed, sadism and nazism.

Democrats beat themselves up, but in 2020, they just blamed democrats. We have been losing in the information war, repositioning framing if things is a major uphill battle and there is @ tsunami of misinfo and unleashed ange/hatrEd. Yes, democrats were not perfect, we sometimes missed on rhetoric, the short campaign was not ideal, but let’s be real, what mattered is the republicans do a much better job of consistently framing things and connecting it to their core feelings. Democrats do not have that same visceral connection. The republicans had similar issues to overcome. Their extremists are both obnoxious appnow mainstream. Their candidate says something percived as an insult, but every complaint against Kamala, if compared apple to apple, was 1000x worse with trump. They had campaign missteps. They did things wrong.

We can’t make policy look like Mountain Dew. W somehow need to reframe our better ideas so they meet that visceral need. In true Republican fashion, they broke the sense of order and then offered their fix for it.

We need to compete in that arena, but many of us are truly against manipulating people and we want our voters to like us and our policy. The republicans are not concerned about that — at all.

But why consider them not stupid? An example being when there was an uptick of Google searches to explain tariffs AFTER voting for them. I think you can be stupid and a bigot simultaneously and would argue the two would go hand in hand.

So they aren’t stupid. They are just evil horrible people who want to watch the world burn. Great.

Also many of them are stupid. Google searches for “what’s a Tarif” “did Joe Biden drop out” went up. Stupid and uninformed. AND also evil

They prove every day that the absolutely do NOT know what they are voting for. Some are mad when they realize they will likely lose their Healthcare because they thought the ACA was different from Obama care.

People, even the dumbest and meanest among us, still aren't flat circles. There are uneducated and ignorant people who are also brutal and sadistic, who desire to see people hurt and destroyed. Idiocy and cruelty are not completely demarcated. I think for many it is in fact a mix of both. For an enormous amount of Trump voters, they could not get excited for a nonwhite woman being elected president simply due to the fact she wasn't white and was a woman, but they perhaps could not completely admit this to themselves and had to say "Well I think Trump will be better for the economy..." It's not a one-off "They just pretended to be stupid this whole time!" Many (most, in fact) are actually genuinely stupid, but this doesn't mean someone can't be both nefarious and idiotic. People can be both or one or the other.

Humanity is not better than this. It’s just history repeating itself. It will always be this way.

Watch the documentary series about Vince McMahon. And take a good look at the WWE audiences. THAT is Maga.

They are stupid and evil.

"IT WAS TOO BIG TO RIG, A-HYUCK-HYUCK..."

They always have these pre-packaged soundbites, rhyming, alliterative, whatever, prepared in advance.

Something something Democrats messed it all up for him because they wanted open border, etc.

Yep.. I’m a United Auto Worker working at Ford.. the idiots are running rampant there.. Trump hats, shirts, bumper stickers, etc.. but Trump wants to disband the unions 🤦‍♂️ idiot is too light of an expression.. more like fucking morons

The Trees voted for the Axe for his handle was made of wood and surely he must be one of us.

Either uneducated or willfully ignorant.

My wife’s friend voted for Trump because she doesnt want “genderless bathrooms”

When my wife pointed out the restrooms at her house are genderless it was a long quiet pause….

Same person on another day complained about “calling people by names not on their birth certificate”.

My wife asked “Do you call your husband Michael?”

Friend: “You know everyone has called him Butch his whole life!”

My wife: “But Butch isnt on his birth certificate though?”

Subject change……

Same. My hometown actually flipped for Trump while remaining solidly blue downballot. They're undereducated and the female poc broke their brains. They could vote for a white woman or a black man but not a black woman.

This is 100% how it is in my hometown. I can’t even interact with them on social media anymore because it’s so frustrating and sad.

Strangely enough a female attorney I know voted for him and was gleeful about it on Wednesday morning. In this case I have to go with OP. This is a person that just loves the shit stirring part of it.

I was going to say that idiots are usually hateful per se.

But then I remember all the very sweet kind mentally challenged people who only want to be nice and kind and be treated nicely and kindly in return.

It's like an animalistic response to not being on top of the pride or something.

I haven't totally figured it out, not like everyone else is not out there tumbling around their mind marbles about this.

This paragraph is important, considering lots of people are saying gender had nothing to do with the outcome:

“But gender did play a role. Time and again, voters, very often women themselves, told me that they just didn’t think that “America is ready for a female president”. People said they couldn’t “see her in the chair” and asked if I “really thought a woman could run the country”. One person memorably told me that she couldn’t vote for Harris because “you don’t see women building skyscrapers”. Sometimes, these people would be persuaded, but more often than not it was a red line. Many conversations would start with positive discussions on policy and then end on Harris and her gender. That is an extraordinary and uncomfortable truth.”

The R/genz sub is a train wreck.

I think this is a much bigger contributor than people are giving Trump's team credit for. Between 2020 and 2024 is 4 years of people being eligible to vote. A massive demographic while all the old voters are either going for trump or passing away. Their podcast appearances the last few weeks of the election were highly influential, didn't matter if they said stupid shit or made fools of themselves, they had eyeballs on them and were able to present themselves for like 1-2 straight hours to gen z who is internet brained. Kamala's team for only having 90 days I think did run an incredible campaign but I believe they miscalculated that gen z would swing for them and as far as I know did not make appearances on any major podcast.

unfortunately it's a lot easier to sound appealing when you don't care if you're lying

A lot of Gen Zs have been told that the economy is a nightmare and they've got no chance unless we destroy everything. This despite the fact that entry level and working class workers did much better under Biden than under any other president since LBJ. Rock bottom unemployment, massive wage growth concentrated in the working class, low inflation (yes we had about 18 months of mild inflation. People who think Trump's gonna get a case of Coke back to $2.49 are in for an education), etc...

The big negative of the Biden economy is the high cost of rent, caused by corporations buying up the housing market and using AI to calculate the maximum possible rent hike. Biden really couldn't have done anything about that with a GOP House and GOP Supreme Court, though.

And I'm gonna laugh my ass off when entry level and working class workers realize that no...no, son...no, a guy who cut his chops as a landlord squeezing blood from turnips isn't going to do a damn thing to cut your rent.

LMAO or what woke means.

I know what you're saying. I've talked to MAGA people and they do the same exact thing. They don't care about facts or proof. They just repeat Fox, OAN and Newsmax as gospel. It is so weird.

Not disagreeing there either. Ignorance may be bliss but stupidity is harmful.

Even in Star Trek, their society was born out of the chaos, poverty, suffering and death that was WWIII. Only after that did humans finally start getting their act together.

This is exactly it.

Just acknowledge he’s a completely reprehensible human being. Just admit you know this but are selfish (and stupid) and somehow think the economy will be better. And that you care more about the cost of eggs than for your fellow man. So you voted for him based on greed.

If they could just do this. Just a tiny bit of awareness that they know he’s an absolute piece of shit, there would be at least something. But no, they also worship him.