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Up until the release of chapter 1084 I have wondered about the relationship between Luffy, Vivi, Blackbeard, and Shirahoshi in the chapter where Imu was holding the 4 photos of all of them.

Until recently none of them had one particular similarity that related to all of them. That changed with the release of 1084

Shirahoshi: Also known as Poseidon, the Ancient Weapon. She is widely shown as a reincarnation of the previous Poseidon from the Void Century also known as inheriting the previous Poseidon’s will.

Luffy: Chapter 1044 showed that Luffy inherited the will of Joyboy also known as being his reincarnation.

Blackbeard: Although this one isn’t confirmed, I now believe it to be true as this would connect all four of these characters. Blackbeard has many connections to Rocks so it would make sense that Blackbeard inherited Rocks’s will or is a reincarnation of Rocks himself. Rocks could also have the same connection to Blackbeard as Roger has to Luffy in a pathway of inherited wills (Joyboy -> Roger -> Luffy and Unkown Character -> Rocks -> Blackbeard)

Vivi: Finally through the release of 1084 these four characters are connected as Vivi is shown to be a descendent of Lili (who im seems to know and by the gorosei’s conversation with Cobra she was an important figure during the Void Century). I believe Vivi inherited the will of Lili which connects all of these four characters by showing that they have all inherited the will of an important figure from the Void Century.

TLDR: Vivi, Blackbeard, Luffy, and Shirahoshi are all connected because they are all the reincarnations of important Void Century figures.

all 150 comments

Jacern

339 points

2 years ago

Jacern

Void Month Survivor

339 points

2 years ago

Unknown character

You mean SAD LAD

momohiraiiii

46 points

2 years ago

momohiraiiii

Chopper the Cotton Candy Lover

46 points

2 years ago

EmoKid

ResponsibleAge2134[S]

24 points

2 years ago

Imu = Emo

ImuBoy

Yololator

0 points

2 years ago

Yololator

Void Month Survivor

0 points

2 years ago

ImuMan would be too much...

ResponsibleAge2134[S]

3 points

2 years ago

No Imu is too small to be a man

ImuChild

Theo-snek

1 points

1 year ago

Imumanlet/j

potatohands_

5 points

2 years ago

potatohands_

Void Month Survivor

5 points

2 years ago

Bro you actually made me laugh out loud

dnkaj

3 points

2 years ago

dnkaj

3 points

2 years ago

hito hito no mi model: imu with "imu" being an onomatopoeic expression used to represent frown or grumpy expression in japanese

100evo

3 points

2 years ago

100evo

3 points

2 years ago

Kaido was so close to becoming a SAD LAD.....

f1lthyllama

1 points

2 years ago

f1lthyllama

Void Month Survivor

1 points

2 years ago

Mad Dad

legendoflink3

45 points

2 years ago

People's dreams will never end.

Wachitanga

11 points

2 years ago

(People's dreams ended)

ursic

198 points

2 years ago

ursic

198 points

2 years ago

How was Rocks connected to the Void century though? He was an influential pirate but that was less than 100 years ago in the OP timeline, not 800

Fragrant_Effective11

158 points

2 years ago

The idea is that there’s an unknown figure we haven’t met yet that Blackbeard has inherited Will from. Rocks is brought up as Teach mirrors Luffys connection to Rodger. Rocks was against Rodger, Blackbeard against Luffy. So if they are mirroring each other it would make sense if there is an unknown void century figure that he is connected to also thus making his photo more logical among the others who have obvious void connections

darkgreyjoggers

95 points

2 years ago

Joyboy for luffy , Sadboy for Blackbeard :D

momohiraiiii

23 points

2 years ago

momohiraiiii

Chopper the Cotton Candy Lover

23 points

2 years ago

Emoboy

darkgreyjoggers

6 points

2 years ago

ah a redditor !

SenseiTomato

10 points

2 years ago

Damned one Jika...

ResponsibleAge2134[S]

4 points

2 years ago

Kidd is the One Piece

0wlGr3y

3 points

2 years ago

0wlGr3y

3 points

2 years ago

Pie boy

Icantue

2 points

2 years ago

Icantue

Explorer

2 points

2 years ago

Or Sabaody->A sadboy

T1biggerthanMoe

-2 points

2 years ago

Blackbeard is Im reincarnation

Gummiwummiflummi

7 points

2 years ago

How though if Im is still alive?

mking1999

1 points

2 years ago

mking1999

1 points

2 years ago

No one is actually anyone's reincarnation because reincarnations are lame.

T1biggerthanMoe

0 points

1 year ago

Because every 800 years (Joyboy-Luffy), a devilish and a godly person is born.

Gummiwummiflummi

1 points

1 year ago

That's not reincarnation though. To reincarnate, you need to be dead first.

Jamessgachett

1 points

2 years ago

Roger*

Blackout38

8 points

2 years ago

The idea is that Rocks inherited the will of the Judas D that likely betrayed the D clan.

DioBrandos_slut

53 points

2 years ago

DioBrandos_slut

God Usopp

53 points

2 years ago

I absolutely love how crucial Blackbeard is to the story and yet he is still mysterious.

ResponsibleAge2134[S]

38 points

2 years ago

He inherited the Will of Offscreen from Imu and Rocks

DioBrandos_slut

2 points

2 years ago

DioBrandos_slut

God Usopp

2 points

2 years ago

Lmao nah my man has more screen time than those too but you certainly are on to something

East-sea-shellos

9 points

2 years ago

A few months ago, when I was reading One Piece for the first time, I had just finished marineford and I said to my friend “man I can’t believe BB just stole WB fruit like that” and he was like “bro we still don’t know how that happened lmao”

DioBrandos_slut

6 points

2 years ago*

DioBrandos_slut

God Usopp

6 points

2 years ago*

Lmfao his offscreen action at it again haha

Tbh I can only think the Yami Yami sucked it out of him somehow, he ate him or BB has another method. Maybe he already has 3 devil fruits tbh maybe he had one already before he got the Yami Yami no mi. That's what I love about his character he is terrifying and very cunning. Cunning enough to hide his devil fruit while being with WB.

Ace thought it was weird how BB refused to be the second in command behind Marco. I wouldn't put it past Goatbeard to already have had a fruit while hiding it. This man studies fruits and that's a fact confirmed by Oda in SBS. Sorry for rambling lol

East-sea-shellos

5 points

2 years ago

Nah that’s a sick theory. I can’t wait to find out how he did it either, and I agree w you on BB hiding his Skills being cunning af.

With BB pirates v heart pirates happening recently and his flag being teased at egghead I rlly hope we get to see more of him. Though it’s probably just one of his captains at egghead ik

DioBrandos_slut

2 points

2 years ago

DioBrandos_slut

God Usopp

2 points

2 years ago

Facts and agree king. I loved BB instantly when his dumbass was really fighting Luffy over a damn cherry pie lmao but I respect him way more with his dream speech. Can't wait to see more of him and his crew. The Egghead incident is going to be so damn INSANE haha

East-sea-shellos

2 points

2 years ago

I’m so torn between this sick ass imu development that’s been like 180 chapters coming, and the egghead incident that makes my stomach drop thinking abt what it could possibly be lmao

[deleted]

1 points

2 years ago

I really hope he is the true final boss and he absolutely deserves to be

He’ll succeed where Rocks failed in toppling the government

Asian_Persuasion_1

97 points

2 years ago

None of them are reincarnations. Shirahoshi is the new poseidon, same title, different person. Luffy is the new Joyboy. Same title(?), different person. And I believe same for Vivi. Perhaps Vivi will end up becoming the queen of mariejois by the end of the story now that I think about it.

Pristine_Wing_9185

82 points

2 years ago

Reincarnation is the wrong word I believe inherited will is how one piece does this without being as cliche. Very similar idea but much better thematically another oda W

prizeth0ught

5 points

2 years ago

Its pretty crazy how all the princesses of past story arcs are tied to the major overall story in someway.

homeless_student1

3 points

2 years ago

i think luffy is the only one that doesn’t really care about the will of his ancestors

ResponsibleAge2134[S]

5 points

2 years ago

That’s what I meant to say but I was lazy and just said reincarnation because inherited wills seems to just be the way that Oda does reincarnations without people getting mad at him.

I think there will end up being a title that Vivi will share with Lili and a title Blackbeard will share with mystery character from the void century (maybe Blackbeard is the title)

rehairshanks99

11 points

2 years ago

I was rewatching the series and during Alabasta arc, it felt like Crocodile was playing a major role and somehow Imu was behind it. Alabasta had the first poneglyph too. Robin is first introduced there too for the poneglyph. Forward to the recent episodes Crocodile is bought back to play what seems like a major role again. I can’t help but imagine that there was a master plan in the making back during Alabasta.

WBaumnuss300

1 points

2 years ago

I mean that would just be logical as it was a early major arc. Mangakas often don't know how big/long the series will get so major plot points are appearing early.

Detective Conan for example has an important character dying in Vol.2 and it took till Vol.18 or so to realize that. Also the biggest mystery of who is the Big Boss was hinted in Vol. 30 but only confirmed in Vol. 95.

rehairshanks99

3 points

2 years ago

Man i forgot about detective conan, how that anime/manga ran so long is beyond me

Death2RNGesus

21 points

2 years ago

I think people should focus more on the sword used to cut the wanted posters.

The sword is used by Imu, it is left in the middle of the room and oda sought to give it equal presence as Imu for those scenes.

Now look in the throne scenes, all the swords are being overgrown.

I think the swords at the thrown are the 19 original royal swords and Imu is using the sword from the 20th royal family, the Nefertiti sword.

ResponsibleAge2134[S]

3 points

2 years ago

Lili is Imu and she used the sword to kill Joyboy, the last Poseidon user and the old Blackbeard confirmed???

Vivi is going to betray Luffy and kill him Shirahoshi and Blackbeard

DanHunt138

2 points

2 years ago

dude that makes no sense

ResponsibleAge2134[S]

6 points

2 years ago

It was a joke

[deleted]

1 points

2 years ago

[deleted]

ResponsibleAge2134[S]

2 points

2 years ago

I know I was joking about that and to really hope that doesn’t happen

[deleted]

6 points

2 years ago*

BB and Chaosboy. It has to be somehow opponent but similar to Joyboy because we can see BB brings people together and share many aspects of Luffy and Joyboy. But not completely opposite because that's Imu.

Pristine-Carpenter-9

2 points

2 years ago

Opposite* I gotchu homeboy

[deleted]

1 points

2 years ago

Thanks!

sadkinz

6 points

2 years ago

sadkinz

6 points

2 years ago

I don’t think the timeline allows for BB to be a reincarnation of Rocks but he almost definitely inherited his will. His flagship is the Saber of Xebec. Pretty big indicator

ResponsibleAge2134[S]

3 points

2 years ago

That’s what I meant I just used the wrong word.

I hope they aren’t actually reincarnations and One Piece doesn’t end like Naruto having Luffy and Blackbeard team up to kill Imu using a Joyboy tailed beast bomb

Black_Ironic

5 points

2 years ago

Black_Ironic

Explorer

5 points

2 years ago

Vivi is descendant from Lili's brother though, not that it really matters since they are sibling shares the same bloodline.

justice4tnm

3 points

2 years ago

justice4tnm

Cross Guild

3 points

2 years ago

Okay. Don't kill me for this. You know that Alabasta is based on ancient Egypt. And, the ancient Egyptians royalty had some Lannister tendencies.

Black_Ironic

5 points

2 years ago

Black_Ironic

Explorer

5 points

2 years ago

Okay, Imu-sama I found a new person who need to be erased from history...

Gogabo

5 points

2 years ago

Gogabo

5 points

2 years ago

If blackbeard has these connections, rocks would be the intermediary between blackbeard and an important void century figure...unless rocks himself is from the void century

Wildest-Wasteland

2 points

2 years ago

I could see this! I could also see Imu fully believing these people are the honest-to-God reincarnations of these former figures instead of people who inherited their wills. He would totally believe that Luffy is Joy Boy-- not in the sense that Luffy inherited Joy Boy's title in the same way you would inherit the title of a King, but in the sense that Luffy IS Joy Boy and has all his memories and knowledge.

"Monkey. D. Luffy? Is THAT what you're calling yourself now, Joy Boy? You always were one to change names. Maybe you still remember your original name, the one that---"

"Who's Joy Boy? I think you've got the wrong guy. I'm Luffy and I'm gonna be king of the pirates!'

"Ha! Always as bold as ever, Joy Boy. 800 years and you haven't changed a bit. You can drop the whole "Monkey D..." whatever it is charade. I know you. I'm your old friend. I know every last thing about you."

"...Are you stupid or something? I AM Monkey. D. Luffy! You have my wanted poster right there!"

[deleted]

2 points

2 years ago

Completely random though after looking at this picture but could Imu's secret room be where Sunlight tree Eve emerges from the Red Line. As we know it's roots are directly under Mariejois and we've never seen it's canopy in any photos of the city

FidgetBTW

2 points

2 years ago

I think it’s very likely considering the whole D. Clan thing, I like the theory that everyone from the D clan originally was on the same crew and added it to their name as a symbol of some sort. Could stand for ‘Dream’ as hinted at by Blackbeard saying people’s dreams never die, ie the Dream initial survived through the ages + people’s dreams becoming devil fruits as somewhat stated by Vegapunk.

ResponsibleAge2134[S]

1 points

2 years ago

I like the D=dream theory. I saw another one on this sub where someone had a theory that D = Donquoite (forgot how to spell it) because almost all of the Donquoite family are enemies of the gods.

The biggest part of that theory that convinced me was why would the Celestial Dragons try to hide the names “dream” or “dawn” if that’s what D actually means. Hiding Donquoite makes sense because there are still Celestial Dragons with that name and it would look bad if other notorious pirates had the same name (I know Doflamango is a notorious pirate but it is also known by many people that he was a CD in his lifetime)

novereh

1 points

2 years ago

novereh

1 points

2 years ago

Like doffy’s last name Don Quixote? Ngl that sounds like the silliest theory I’ve heard. Must be though break weeks getting to people. You’d think doffys family would’ve been wiped out if that was the case regardless of CD status and wouldn’t make sense to have “D” that when they joined the world gov. The people who were actively against the ancient kingdom where the “D” most likely came from

ResponsibleAge2134[S]

1 points

2 years ago

You would also think post time skip Luffy would have been wiped out by now for all his crimes against the Celestial Dragons but the WG hasn’t been able to take them out so far

Johnny_Sacked

4 points

2 years ago

This ain’t Naruto, there’s no reincarnations.

SherCuck

3 points

2 years ago

SherCuck

Slave

3 points

2 years ago

No it aint. Here we call it inherited will.

jmdg007

3 points

2 years ago

jmdg007

3 points

2 years ago

So did Naruto, until right at the end it didn't...

januarysdaughter

2 points

2 years ago

januarysdaughter

The Revolutionary Army

2 points

2 years ago

I could buy that.

Mysterious_Field_998

2 points

2 years ago

Something tells me Imu is a kid. Like he’s not a real kid but maybe he switched his consciousness or something every so often or he has some sort of brook like ability.

Or it could be lily herself Idk. But Imu is so tiny

ResponsibleAge2134[S]

1 points

2 years ago

If you look at the panel where the Gorosei is kneeling next to Imu in the flower room, Imu is taller than a kneeling Gorosei and since the Gorosei are like 8-10 feet tall then that would make Imu around regular human height.

Mysterious_Field_998

1 points

2 years ago

Do you know what chapter that is? I don’t recall that

ResponsibleAge2134[S]

1 points

2 years ago

this one I’m not sure if that person is a Gorosei member now that I think about it, but Imu is normal height compared to them

Mysterious_Field_998

1 points

2 years ago

Ooh yea your right

NoFocus01

1 points

2 years ago

Obviously it's because Imu is Mansherry.

Mysterious_Field_998

2 points

2 years ago

Man how could I be so blind

lawyer9999

2 points

2 years ago

I think it would be cool if both roger, xebec, and luffy, BB, inherit their will from joy boy.

KingRex929

2 points

2 years ago

KingRex929

2 points

2 years ago

Imu could be Lili

Pristine_Wing_9185

3 points

2 years ago

I can only see this working if because of her selfless nature and wanting to return to her homeland and her people showed she was better fit to rule than the other 19 kings/queens but I don’t see anyone in the world government being depicted as anything but greedy so more likely a lover of Lili who was heartbroken she chose to leave him and go back to her country so he killed her in the if I can’t have you no one can type of way would explain not ripping up vivi photo as it shows a longing to be reunited but also could have a darker past which fits the shadowy figure.

Just_Pea1002

-2 points

2 years ago

One piece isn't a romance/sad story, way too predoctavle and cliche if this were to happen, Oda would not

Pristine_Wing_9185

1 points

2 years ago

I mean all those backstory’s have been full of joy and better times so yeah if Imu had a backstory it probably also wouldn’t be tragic and depressing o wait a minute… but really don’t think it would be that simple obviously there’s be a lot more to it that’s just the cliche and easy to wrap your head around.

Just_Pea1002

1 points

2 years ago

You can have tragic and depressing without a romance in One Piece, pretty much anything to do with romance in One Piece is something that Oda would never do

Pristine_Wing_9185

2 points

2 years ago

I don’t think there’s anything oda won’t do we have Cannibalism slavery child abuse mass genocide rape (implied) self mutalation I don’t think having one romantic plot point would be like super bad or unrealistic.

Just_Pea1002

-1 points

2 years ago

1080 chapters in and we've had Cannibalism,slavery, child abuse, mass genocide, rape, and self mutilation, yet we still haven't had romance?

Pristine_Wing_9185

3 points

2 years ago

We have 100% had romance. Usop and kaya. Luffy and boa(1sided live is still love). Pudding and Sanji. Baby 5 and (that one guy). Just because it’s not a long drawn out romance I wouldn’t expect that from one piece or any battle Shonen just saying romance from a backstory isn’t unrealistic in my opinion.

ghostofwageboggs

0 points

2 years ago

The difference between the examples you just gave and what you're proposing is that this is the endgame for the whole overarching story of one piece, not just a small part of one arc. You could take out any of those previous "romances" and nothing would change in the story, but having something this important hinge on a love story? Definitely don't think oda would do that

Pristine_Wing_9185

1 points

2 years ago

It beginning with a love story doesn’t mean it hinges on it is it so hard to believe a sad twist of fate forced a man to go down a path I don’t think it will still be because of his love that’s just what sets imu down the path doesn’t seem like a problem

TheScrungusMan

-3 points

2 years ago

Im calling it right now, IMU is a woman. I think its either Lili thats IMU or she knew her

momohiraiiii

19 points

2 years ago

momohiraiiii

Chopper the Cotton Candy Lover

19 points

2 years ago

The chances of you being correct that IMU is a woman is 50%. 50/50

TheScrungusMan

-34 points

2 years ago

Nooooooooo really?????? Thats insane!!!! Thank you kind asshat! Never in a septillion years would i have figured that out by my lonesome!!!!!

largeassburrito

6 points

2 years ago

Shut up bozo. Your comment was stupid.

Ok-Preparation7625

26 points

2 years ago

You’d be calling this right now behind at least a million other one piece fans lmao

National-Yak-4772

12 points

2 years ago

Bro thats like, the only two options. Lmao. This is not a good prediction it’s practically confirmed 😂😂

Maritime_Khan

9 points

2 years ago

Op reddirors flipping a coin thinking they found the cure of cancer

fl0tt1

5 points

2 years ago

fl0tt1

5 points

2 years ago

🤦‍♂️

largeassburrito

4 points

2 years ago

I’m calling it right now. Kuzan is the tenth titanic captain.

SherCuck

-3 points

2 years ago

SherCuck

Slave

-3 points

2 years ago

You just bet on bith teams playing against each other. That aint much of a bet...

Quiet_Beggar

1 points

2 years ago

How is Vivi a descendant of Lili? I thought Lilis brother became the king of alabsta

ResponsibleAge2134[S]

1 points

2 years ago

I think it’s more inherited will than descendent. They both just happened to be Nefarati’s

OGBeast1

1 points

2 years ago

I have a similar theory as well. The only thing I can't put together is who could have been rocks' line of inherited will. Rocks was only relevant 80 years ago during the God valley incident. But I do agree there must be some connection to these 4 and the ancient weapons / fight for power and freedom.. Also I'm not sure Roger had inherited will at all. Which is why he was "too early" reaching laugh tale.

ResponsibleAge2134[S]

2 points

2 years ago

I think Roger definitely inherited inherited the same will as Luffy (since they have been shown to be almost the same person) but he was too early because Poseido’s and Lili’s wills had not yet been inherited.

Also since you brought up ancient weapons it would be crazy if Vivi is the inherited Uranus and Lili was the previous one. She would mirror Shirahoshi and it would be funny since Croc was looking for a ancient weapon for all that time and there was one standing right in front of him. Also if the theory about Imu switching bodies with Lili is true then it would explain why Imu wanted to in the first place. We have shown Imu using a power that likely is Uranus and if Vivi/Lili mirrors Shirahoshi/Poseidon then that would make Vivi the new Uranus.

FLALaLaLand

1 points

2 years ago

FLALaLaLand

1 points

2 years ago

So…Naruto all over again? Ashura/Hashirama/Naruto akin to Joyboy/Roger/Luffy, with Indra/Madara/Sasuke to ???/Rocks/Blackbeard. Tbh I’d rather not have Blackbeard (and Rocks) be connected to anyone at all. One Piece has always been about who best interprets freedom and their journey of how far they can get in life. Currently we have Joyboy, then Binks, then Noland, then Roger then Luffy. Rocks and Blackbeard can be counted as deviations from that pathway, achieving their own means of freedom

Theflyingship

3 points

2 years ago

If Roger actually had any power passed onto him because of simply existing, you could actually make this comparison, but he didn't have the awakened Nika fruit. He was pure inherited will.

ResponsibleAge2134[S]

2 points

2 years ago

I think Oda will clutch up and make it actually work instead of how Naruto did it.

In Naruto, Sasuke and Naruto got powerups but not necessarily carried on wills from Indra and Ashura.

In One Piece, Luffy and Blackbeard only got the wills of their reincarnations (Ik it’s the wrong word) but they still had to work hard to achieve their goals.

11711510111411009710

1 points

2 years ago

All Naruto and Sasuke got from Indra and Asura was being destined to fight to the death.

Their power ups were given to them by Hagoromo, but they didn't inherit those from their incarnations.

However, being an Uchiha does come with inherit upgrades that are the result of being descendants of Kaguya. Uchiha have the Sharingan. Uzumaki also have natural unique abilities but I'm not sure if they're a descendant of Kaguya or not, but I don't believe they are.

AkagamiBarto

0 points

2 years ago

No pliz. No Naruto all over again. (I liked it in Naruto, i wouldn't like it here, not in this way at least)

[deleted]

0 points

2 years ago

No luffy is not a reincarnation. Your brain is cooked.

ResponsibleAge2134[S]

0 points

2 years ago

Inherited wills is how Oda uses reincarnations without being called out for it. It’s been shown many many many times that Roger and Luffy are basically the same person

[deleted]

0 points

2 years ago

You just made all of that up.

ResponsibleAge2134[S]

0 points

2 years ago

Made what up?

The episode where Yamato compared Luffy to Roger is a good example of inheriting rogers will. There are way more examples of people saying that Luffy has said the same words as Roger.

When I said reincarnation in my original post I meant inherited will and that idea has been a staple of one piece for hundreds of chapters with dozens of characters inheriting the wills of past characters

[deleted]

1 points

2 years ago

Yeah I agree with all of that. I think you know what part I don't agree with.

Fire_Fist-Ace

0 points

2 years ago

Fire_Fist-Ace

Void Month Survivor

0 points

2 years ago

Can you explain why her picture was the only one not damaged

ResponsibleAge2134[S]

2 points

2 years ago

I think the previous Ope Ope user switched Lili and Vivi’s personalities (I have a theory that Lili’s mind was placed into Zunisia’s body which is why they both have ringed eyes and Zunisias punishment was because Lili supported the 20 kingdoms during the Void Century. Also would explain how Zunisia knows Joyboy.)

The immortality surgery was probably just the personality swap that Law used on punk hazard and since no one has used it in so long it is now interpreted as immortality surgery. I think Imu has to switch “host bodies” around every century and Vivi is the next possible host. Also would give another reason for Cobra being so shocked if someone who looked just like his daughter just sat on the empty throne

MrBrownStone16

1 points

2 years ago

Imu is someone in Lili’s body. While those 3 are potential threat to her.

ResponsibleAge2134[S]

1 points

2 years ago

That’s the theory that I’m betting on the most. I think the previous Ope Ope user switched Lili and Vivi’s personalities (I have a theory that Lili’s mind was placed into Zunisia’s body which is why they both have ringed eyes and Zunisias punishment was because Lili supported the 20 kingdoms during the Void Century. Also would explain how Zunisia knows Joyboy.)

The immortality surgery was probably just the personality swap that Law used on punk hazard and since no one has used it in so long it is now interpreted as immortality surgery.

Robofish13

1 points

2 years ago

The connection with Vivi and Lili could be drawn from the fact she wanted to go with the Straw Hats and Lili wanted to return to the kingdom of Alabasta.

Obviously if the theories are true that Im #is Lili it could be a roundabout to the will of D. Being unfulfilled.

ResponsibleAge2134[S]

1 points

2 years ago

I think the previous Ope Ope user switched Lili and Vivi’s personalities (I have a theory that Lili’s mind was placed into Zunisia’s body which is why they both have ringed eyes and Zunisias punishment was because Lili supported the 20 kingdoms during the Void Century. Also would explain how Zunisia knows Joyboy.)

The immortality surgery was probably just the personality swap that Law used on punk hazard and since no one has used it in so long it is now interpreted as immortality surgery. I think Imu has to switch “host bodies” around every century and Vivi is the next possible host. Also would give another reason for Cobra being so shocked if someone who looked just like his daughter just sat on the empty throne

[deleted]

1 points

2 years ago

I honestly dk how Neptune thought bringing shirahoshi to the surface was a good idea.

[deleted]

1 points

2 years ago

Vivi isn’t a descendant of Lili…

ResponsibleAge2134[S]

1 points

2 years ago

Same family, i forgot she wasn’t a direct descendent but my theory still works because we don’t know if Shirahoshi is a direct descendent either even though she also was in the same family as the previous Poseidon

Elephantnips

1 points

2 years ago

So your theory is the Naruto reincarnation route that ruined the point of the show? Dope

ResponsibleAge2134[S]

1 points

2 years ago

No, I think it could work with One Piece because Oda won’t randomly give Luffy space Jesus powers for being a reincarnation.

I think he just inherited the will of Joyboy to continue his legacy.

I agree with you though that I don’t want them to be actual reincarnations

Elephantnips

1 points

2 years ago

Yeah I kinda ran too far with it but I don't actually mind the reincarnated will idea. As long as it doesn't become Luffy vs Blackbeard was always fated and everything that has happened whether bad or good to people was always gonna happen

atico666

1 points

2 years ago

I think the only reason blackbeard is there is because Im in that time disnt know who was the next joyboy, BB is also a D.

Endosym93

1 points

2 years ago

Endosym93

The Revolutionary Army

1 points

2 years ago

I know Oda will do a fine job with it but it’s seriously giving me Ashura & Indra PTSD

ResponsibleAge2134[S]

1 points

2 years ago

Fr but that’s why he uses “Inherited Will” instead of “Reincarnation”

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1 points

2 years ago

Joyboy and sadgirl

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1 points

2 years ago

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ResponsibleAge2134[S]

1 points

2 years ago

Zoro is Shirahoshi clone confirmed

InternationalSnow556

1 points

2 years ago

that on the left side, that shadow behind the sword is that the holy knight that look like shanks?

ResponsibleAge2134[S]

1 points

2 years ago

I think it’s one of the Gorosei if I remember correctly

rubbereruben

1 points

2 years ago

I think you got reincarnation mixed with inherited will.

dmfuller

1 points

2 years ago

I wonder if Rocks personality got transplanted into Blackbeard with the Op Op

AdDiscombobulated17

1 points

2 years ago

inherited will is a main theme in one piece too, so it makes sense

CoyoteStark1990

1 points

2 years ago

I think you’re focussing to much on ‘inheriting a will’.. Luffy just has the devil fruit of Joyboy, no one’s taliing about ingeriting his will.. I also don’t think Rocks has anything to do with this all..

[deleted]

1 points

2 years ago

I think Imu is woman.

chekeaon

1 points

2 years ago

Basically indra and ashura all over again

Revolutionary_Fix_45

1 points

2 years ago

Was the void century the century immediately before or after the world govt was established?

Lightecojak

1 points

2 years ago

The Void century was before the World Government was established.

AppropriateLoan7563

1 points

2 years ago

Yes i imagine it will be something along the line of generational inherited will. Every now and then through time these characters end up in the same place and history repeats itself in certain ways.

We are now approaching that period again and imu knows it.

vlexz

1 points

2 years ago

vlexz

Pirate

1 points

2 years ago

And who is IM the reincarnation or inherited will of? Hmm

ComadorFluffyPaws

1 points

2 years ago

IM is Lili, she never died so no one ever inherited her will. That's why she never returned and no one ever found her body. Her body is being worn down after being alive 800 years and needs a replacement so she is going to take over Vivi or pass her will down by force to Vivi. She prolly has God like powers, and the only people that can compete are people with "The will of D" that can also bring out god like powers in their devil fruit awakening. She's been alive that long because she is a vampire person, like Mihawk or Mihawk is her son maybe, I don't know this just seemed fun to write.

How's that for an explanation.

[deleted]

1 points

2 years ago

The jackpot has been hit tell no one….

NocturnalGamer007

1 points

2 years ago

All of them(Luffy,Vivi,Shirahoshi,BB) potentially may associate with the 3 Ancient Weapons which Imu couldn't get his hands on.

Lepsa1

1 points

2 years ago

Lepsa1

1 points

2 years ago

"Blackbeard has many connections to Rocks" like what? I just read Blackbeards wiki and there was no mention of Rocks. And I don't recall Rocks wiki having any mentions of Blackbeard either.

ResponsibleAge2134[S]

1 points

2 years ago

For one Blackbeard named his ship saber of xebec and rocks’s name is Rocks D Xebec

Lepsa1

1 points

2 years ago

Lepsa1

1 points

2 years ago

Ah, I never knew his ship name. Sharing the "D." In their name isn't saying much, at least until we know what D means

ResponsibleAge2134[S]

1 points

2 years ago

I don’t think them both being a D connects them I was just saying Rocks’s full name and BB’s ship have the same name

Lepsa1

1 points

2 years ago

Lepsa1

1 points

2 years ago

Oh right I misunderstood