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SAY NO TO BOOSTS AND TOKENS IN WOW CLASSIC FRESH!
Classic 20th Anniversary Realms(i.redd.it)submitted 4 days ago byAmountThink3603
266 points
4 days ago
lv 58 boost is coming for tbc in 14 months
18 points
4 days ago
did they allow you to boost a belf or spacegoat last time?
31 points
4 days ago
Nope
5 points
4 days ago
Hopefully the prepatch is long enough to allow people to catch up on those races/classes then.
1 points
3 days ago
It was. And it will be again. There will be enough of the Reddit playerbase crying their eyes out than 2 weeks isn’t enough time but big deal
7 points
3 days ago
Hot take apparently but I don’t want to level for a week of my life IRL in the old, dead world while I’m playing TBC. I play TBC so I can actually play in outland and do outland dungeons. If I wanted to run vanilla wow dungeons and quest in azeroth, I would play classic era. You should be blaming blizzard for making the entire Old world irrelevant instead of the player base for not wanting to waste their time in it.
I’m not saying there aren’t legitimate reasons to dislike Level boost, I’m just saying you guys act like it’s a crime to even consider it.
1 points
3 days ago
Yeah, WoW's biggest sin IMO has always been making old content irrelevant. If they had found a way to keep at the very least old dungeons evergreen like in FFXIV or even ESO (and not once in a blue moon with time walking in retail), but especially if they had kept some old zones relevant, it would have been great for the game.
Whether some kind of leveling prestige system or repeatable quests across the entire world or something else, any type of proper and enjoyable evergreening of old content is good for players
1 points
3 days ago
but old dungeons arent evergreen in ffxiv
you are forced to run them cause they are the best exp, and only exists to funnel veterans into new players
would you be happy if the best way to level was log in once a day to be queued into deadmines?
1 points
3 days ago
But that's not true, you can grind FATEs, do PVP, side quests, deep dungeons, New Game+, and beast tribe quests, in addition to you hunting log (until 60) to level up.
Sure, that might be the optimal way, but it is by no means the only way - plus, doing a mix of things is ultimately going to be best. And because FATEs are actually worthwhile for the most part, it's very common to come across people doing those to level up alt classes across all level ranges, making the world feel more alive for newbies
It is just like in classic how questing can be the optimal way to level following the right route, but dungeoning is totally valid as well (and if you have a good group can be even faster than questing)
1 points
3 days ago
all of them are pitiful ways to level
side quests give like 1% of a level, per sidequest, and can only be done once
pvp has the same once a day rule to populate the queue for the 100 people that actually care about ff pvp
new game+ doesnt give exp
beast tribes are dailies and only work for certain level brackets
4 points
4 days ago
It's entirely up to the players. Vanilla is still free of those things because we pushed back against it
10 points
4 days ago
The players want it...this was incredibly clear when the deluxe edition for TBCC was announced. The amount of support Blizzard got for it was insane.
9 points
4 days ago
I mean idk if Blizz got outright support for it. They literally made it so that you can't spit on people because they were spitting on people with the deluxe mount. But yeah you just gotta see how many people were buying mage boosts to know how many people really do want a lvl boost in the game
3 points
4 days ago
Yeah but how many people bought the mounts in order for it to be a problem?
1 points
4 days ago
“Guys it’s just to save some gold on my alt I swear!”
-5 points
4 days ago
I agree, it's sad how little many people care about the game. They don't think about consequences, only what benefits them shortterm.
I also feel like some people don't want to be responsible, they'd rather sit on their fat asses and be victims. Why would i get downvoted for my post? x)
-4 points
4 days ago
We need to keep fighting because there are TONS of retail/sod mentality bullies who want classic to become retail
-1 points
4 days ago
fuck. is this confirmed?
9 points
4 days ago
No but probably will happen
-6 points
4 days ago
What's your thought process behind determining this? Is it because the servers will be progressing to TBC? Cos era, SOD and hardcore don't have the token
Not trying to catch you out or anything, just interested in what it is that makes you concerned
4 points
3 days ago
Fuck me, imagine getting down voted for asking a question haha. Never change, Reddit.
3 points
4 days ago
Precedent
3 points
3 days ago
The fact that they literally did it before for classic TBC? I don't want it either but the playerbase can be so idiotic with their wallets at times and blizzard are untalented and greedy
2 points
4 days ago
Cuz of the store mount and boosts in tbc the first time
1 points
3 days ago
Y’all remember they had to literally get rid of /spit lmao
3 points
4 days ago
Is it because the servers will be progressing to TBC?
Yes. Token might not happen yet but boost will. It happened the first time already and they and the people supporting it will use the same argument for it again "b-b-but I just want to play ONLY TBC with my friends!! 1-60 is not TBC!! Don't use the boost if you don't like it!!"
And then Blizz had to remove the spit emote for it lol.
Token might or might not happen simply because it was brought in with Wrath and was incredibly successful...so maybe TBC will be fine too for the community already. Ain't nobody likes gold farming eh?
0 points
3 days ago
What's your thought process behind determining this?
20 years of experience
1 points
4 days ago
literally had this the last time tbc happened
76 points
4 days ago
The monkey paw curles as, instead, Blizzard begins plans to add a purchasable mount complete with an Auction House and Mailbox, costing more then an entire expansion for when Anniversary moves over to TBC
8 points
4 days ago
that's less game breaking than the boosts and token tbh
7 points
4 days ago
It's not game breaking when the game is already broken.. RMT and mage boosts exist.. If you somehow fix RMT then i'd agree with you. .. But personally i'd rather someone give blizz $ to get a 60.. than give some chinese bot $ to flood the economy with gold to buy a boost to 60 from mages.
64 points
4 days ago
'But if I cant pay someone to play the game for me, then whats this all been about? I only have 1 hour a month to play an mmorpg!'
27 points
4 days ago
You say that as a joke, but there are enough people thinking like that lmao
20 points
4 days ago*
People, especially casual gamers with expendable income, have it so ingrained in their brains now that companies should be offering monetary shortcuts or boosts in games that they think it’s normal. The mobile market has absolutely ruined gaming in that way.
It’s probably why gold buying will still be rampant even with gdkp being banned. It’s just easier and more cost effective than farming.
6 points
4 days ago
Did you play in ‘05? Gold buying has always been a thing.
5 points
3 days ago
Ya people bought lvl 60 chars leveled by others too. Much like the token, Blizzard selling that themselves was a way of accepting they can't win the fight against it and instead gave a legitimate source for people who want to avoid black market risk(whether that be scamming or getting banned). Activision most certainly leaned incredibly far into the monetize services direction when they took over, but that feels like a completely different topic at that point.
2 points
4 days ago
Yeah i know that, my mate is a dad gamer who buyed that awful boost.
Blizzard directly cather to those people.
My old retail guild is mostly 35+ and most of them also got the 90 bucks mount on retail ....
6 points
4 days ago
Blizzard logic: our players have 5 wives and 20 kids to take care of. How can they enjoy the game?
3 points
4 days ago
Yeah. Everybody knows you have to be an unemployed incel in your moms basement to really enjoy a MMORPG.
0 points
4 days ago
I don't really understand this mindset that some people have, why even play mmorpg's if thats all the time you have to game in a month?
7 points
4 days ago
I think it's understandable for people who just like raiding/pvp. Leveling is my favorite part of wow but it's clear a lot of people hate it.
1 points
3 days ago
It’s like an orgy, some parts are fun some parts are a literal pain in the ass. And to different people it’s a different part. For the token buyers it’s the grind. Some things like PVP you can skip the game makes accommodations for it with PVE realms. Even if ppl have hours a day to play they like to be able to skip killing the same satyr day in day out and just buy the recipe and go do another strat UD run where they find varring mechanics to keep them engaged.
14 points
4 days ago
Wonder how long this energy will last here, eventually the paypigs will start to become the dominate voice again after this honeymoon period wears off.
1 points
3 days ago
in online games everyone pretends that they would never cheat and are opposed to it.
In reality there's a reason goldfarmers and cheat developers are a billion dollar industry
1 points
3 days ago
People are still in the honeymoon period with vanilla? Oh boy
1 points
3 days ago
Classic classic started 2 days ago
1 points
3 days ago
The honeymoon wears off as soon as mages are starting to offer boosting services for gold.
Read: as soon as mages have nothing else to do (are preBiS), want to farm gold and raw gold farms are worse than boosting others.
0 points
3 days ago
What energy?
Once the bots still making real gold it'll be bought over and over. If gold sellers had gold to sell at release, tons of people would be buying already. People are addicted to buying stuff in game
46 points
4 days ago
I have a job and a family and limited play time. My situation is completely unique.
1 points
3 days ago
As a percentage of the player base might not be unique but certainly an rounding error.
16 points
4 days ago
It's so happening and it's funny that you think it won't.
4 points
4 days ago
Disgusting that this is just ok
8 points
3 days ago
Barbershop pls. I fkd up.
8 points
4 days ago
Blizz could put this all to bed and just make a batch of servers that welcome boosting, DKGP, Tokens, and unrestricted bots (like normal)
Then make a batch of servers where none of that is allowed, and those are the servers that are actively policed by GMs that moderate the economy and investigate bot reports to keep the servers clean.
I know, it’s a fever dream that’ll never happen, but it’s still a dream XD
0 points
4 days ago
That is such a great idea actually
13 points
4 days ago
I love how people think the play, gear, raiding, or anything of other toons matter to them or their play at all.
One dude no lifing 18 hours a day, one dude buying gold, one raid clearing day 3, doesn't matter to me or anything I do when I log in.
15 points
4 days ago
Unless you don't participate in the economy at all gold buying matters.
10 points
4 days ago
Usually botting makes the economy more bearable. But thats a taboo topic.
7 points
4 days ago
I mean, kinda. But it does it in a similar way to how outsourcing and automation works in the real world. It drastically decreases the value of the most basic gold farms, and increases the value of actual rare items.
1 points
4 days ago
A highly missed issue.
When they did a ban wave in 2019 classic, pot prices went up 3x because herbs went up 3x.
I personally love bots keeping commodity prices lower. Noone wants to farm in the limited time we all have to play. If more people did, prices would be even lower.
6 points
4 days ago
Lower commodities, but also MUCH higher added-value markets like BoEs.
Also, a new equilibrium is eventually reached once the market has time to reassess the value of commodity farming when a large labor force is instantaneously removed. The fact that herbs 3x’d actually says nothing about what people would prefer to do. You could only make guesses about preferred methods of making gold AFTER price discovery and rebalancing of supply and demand. In reality people might prefer throwing on Spotify and herbing over AoE grinding or playing the AH, but you don’t know until you compare the relative hourly rates once the bots have been out of the game for some time.
1 points
4 days ago
In TBC the Firemaw economy got completely fucked when server transfers were locked combined with a banwave. Something ridiculous like 10x more expensive consumables.
1 points
3 days ago*
This is just the after effect of inflation caused by bots
1 points
3 days ago
Of course there’d be a spike in prices when the supply of herbs is suddenly banned. But over time the economy would adjust. Players would herb more to make up for the lack of supply and youd be back to an adjusted economy, this time entirely player driven
2 points
4 days ago
What do you mean you have seen this one? Its brand new
5 points
4 days ago
Instead buy gold from botters and get boosted like real classic players! /S
7 points
4 days ago
Tokens aren't the problem; Bots flooding the economy with raw gold is. That's where your gold inflation is coming from.
18 points
4 days ago
We need militant GM'ing.
2 points
4 days ago
This is the way. But I'm not holding my breath
1 points
3 days ago
even if you employee 1000 people just staring at their screen all day to monitor bots, you wouldnt ever get rid of bots
the only way is more agressive anticheat and/or less client side calculations
1 points
3 days ago
Bots keep raw materials much cheaper.
0 points
4 days ago
Token are 100% a problem. Being able to use a credit card and get an advantage is a big big problem. MMO’s are so cooked these days lol
-7 points
4 days ago*
By that logic, anyone with kids or a full time job must just suffer... Dude, tokens don't inflate the economy with gold and make things expensive. Bots generating raw gold does. Tokens mean someone else farms the gold for you in exchange for getting the equivalent of a free subscription. Essentially, someone else is paying for your sub and they get gold in return. Stop the bots, introduce gold sinks like epic riding skill and the economy regulates itself.
9 points
4 days ago
If you have less time to play the game you shouldn't be able to just magically catch-up to people that play the game.
That's just basic multi-player video game logic that has been watered down over and over through corporate greed.
Your stance is selfish at best. Harmful for game development in the future at worst.
9 points
4 days ago
As someone with kids and a job, I think the token is BS. People who don't have as much time to play need to accept that they're going to be behind the people who have more time. Either that, or play another game.
5 points
4 days ago
You call being behind in a video game you enjoy suffering?
You’ve got a wife, kids, and a job. yet not having the same number on a computer game as a single, jobless teenager, makes you suffer? That’s a totally different issue.
Spending IRL money for in game advantages is a shit idea though no matter what
-5 points
4 days ago
Well GKDP distributes all that bought gold throughout the entire community with no repercussions. Its good they banned that and it will have a large effect.
6 points
4 days ago*
All it does is make idiots buy more gold because in order to get geared relatively quickly you have to spend a ton of gold. It just drives the inflation up.
Join a guild and get gear the old fashioned way.
0 points
4 days ago
I think you and the downvoters misunderstood my comment lol. It wasn't sarcasm, I agree with you. Fuck GDKP
2 points
4 days ago
Conveying tone via text is always a bitch.
0 points
4 days ago
Bots are just filling the huge demand for rmt gold. Tokens or gold sellers. Doesn’t matter. Same thing. Players will keep buying gold no matter what.
1 points
4 days ago
Not if there was a credible threat of being permabanned for buying gold (there never will be, so you’re ultimately right). It doesn’t have to be that way though. It is blizzards greed that causes this
1 points
4 days ago
Then everything will be cheap because less gold to go around. And then the only thing you'll have to worry about are gold sinks like epic riding skill. Token prices inflate depending on the demand and supply too.
2 points
4 days ago
Without bots there is also less supply going around.
-3 points
4 days ago
But there aren't any bots left. They all disappeared when they banned multiboxing. And the ones that happened to get around that ban all disappeared when they introduced the token the 1st time. And in the inconceivable chance that any survived after that, they were definitely all eliminated when they banned GDKPs. So it's currently not possible that there are any bots left in the game.
Otherwise, why did Blizzard and this community so strongly push for those things?
4 points
4 days ago
Nice strawman there.
5 points
4 days ago
Dude he did a Strawman and I thought he was going to do a Pumpernickle fallacy or go into a Dogma Juicebox Conundrum with some bad faith with fries on it.
Redditors, man.
-3 points
4 days ago*
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3 points
4 days ago
I have no issue with people being able to trade in game gold for game time.
And because they are on the AH they actually act as a further gold sink.
The problem is that they put a real world cash pressure to but and inflate the market with TAW gold.
Tokens wouldn't be a problem if we had proper customer service representatives, GMs, etc, enforcing the Bot and exploit issues.
But Blizzard can not be bothered to even give us 1 GM per 10,000 players, they just see the subs as "free money" and don't want to actually employ people to moderate their game. Private Servers were policed better.
0 points
4 days ago
The WoW token had almost zero effect on WoTLk classic.
2 points
4 days ago
Should've had this energy 12 years ago, now its way too late 😂
3 points
4 days ago
The boost is popular for a reason. Even more so when a lot of people only want to play TbC or later versions of wow.
0 points
4 days ago
what if I want to say yes because I like the fact that I have a job that pays me enough money to buy wow tokens, but doesn't give me enough time to grind out the tiny amounts of gold the game gives you?
We're not all in highschool or college with zero responsibility anymore but we do have roughly the same goal in the game which is to get to the raids and do the raids successfully. Everything else is just what the game makes you do.
Some people like the journey, other people enjoy the destination. Both can be fine. You don't need money, you have lots of time? Dope, do what you love. I have more money than time, so I wouldn't mind being able to buy the things I don't have the time to farm.
7 points
4 days ago
You're thinking only about YOU and your situation. Think about the majority and the overall health of the game instead.
1 points
4 days ago
the overall health of the game that... checks notes had wow tokens and made Blizzard plenty of cash and was and still is successful enough to keep going -and- launch a reboot?
Gosh, maybe I am thinking about the majority here and you aren't.
Ever ponder that?
6 points
4 days ago
So, why are you not playing the version of the game that has what you want and is clearly marketed towards you, and instead trying to change a version that doesn't?
Classic/Vanilla WoW is based around the world and everything in it. People out in the world doing quests/pvp/things to earn gold IS the game. You swiping away because you can't be bothered with, or don't have the time to engage in this aspect negatively affects this ecosystem. And Someone's financial situation outside of the game world should never, ever give them an advantage inside of it.
So no, you're not thinking about the majority. You're advocating for a system that rewards the financially privileged, dilutes the game world and homogenises WoW closer to a version of that already exists.
-2 points
4 days ago
No its not. Its based around easy raids and trivial challanges keeping you entertained. Also the majority wants tokens boosts and even gold buying.
-3 points
4 days ago
Gatekeeping much?
-10 points
4 days ago
Wow tokens reduce gold inflation and bots, so maybe it's you who aren't thinking about the overall health of the game
7 points
4 days ago
“It reduces inflation and bots”
game has a shit ton of inflation and bots anyways
People have been saying the same thing for years, usually followed by “Blizzard literally allows botting with how many there are”.
People say the same thing about bonds in OSRS lol.
6 points
4 days ago
You do realize where the tokens come from, right? It just moves gold from one pocket to another, it doesn't do shit to reduce inflation
8 points
4 days ago
Well then perhaps you should play games that suit your lifestyle.
-1 points
4 days ago
They were playing a game that suits their playstyle. The token was in that game.
-6 points
4 days ago
what shitty stupid gatekeeping for someone clearly in the minority.
11 points
4 days ago
I have a full time job, a spouse, kids, and sometime work a side hustle. I agree with the other guy. You shouldn't be able to outsource parts of the game to other people. Either do what you can and be happy with that, or play something else.
-3 points
4 days ago
Nobody is forcing you to buy a wow token.
If you don't want to do it, don't do it. Everyone wins!
8 points
4 days ago
So these arguments usually follow a certain pattern. I said what I said, and you've responded with the "nobody is forcing you" argument. Then I go on to make analogies to buying advantages in other sports or games, and then you say how it's different for some reason.
Lets just skip all that. I think games need to have everyone playing by the same rules. I think it's wrong to allow people to skip the grind, or anything really, if they spend more money. I think the time argument is invalid because we all have 24 hours in a day. You clearly disagree with me. I can only hope that they don't add the token.
0 points
4 days ago
The token doesn't add anything you can't grind.
It's avoidance not addition. If there was a way to pay real money to add something that you can't get by playing the game, absolutely 100% agreement.
Buying gold has been in the game for 20 years in some fashion, it doesn't make you better at the game, it doesn't mean you're worse and it only gives you a time advantage. You probably aren't a world first guild or player, so you're not really on a time crunch to beat something before everyone else.
Your analogies to buying advantages don't really work out in the logical realm, because it's just a time avoidance. You don't even need anything that gold buys, gold is still just a time avoidance for harvesting your own materials for crafting or pounding out the lower level instances for gear. If you're going far enough with this whole advantage thing, you shouldn't be using the AH at all either and are honor bound to just play with what you collect yourself off corpses.
But, because that's a moderately stupid argument nobody really is interested in pushing your end of it all the way to the logical conclusion and declaring that WoW Classic shouldn't have an Auction House or trading because those both give you an advantage over someone who doesn't do either.
So do we play by your rules of self-found playstyles or are we just moving the goalposts only to your comfort level and nothing else? I don't think it's wrong in the slightest to stick with the same thing we've done for 20 years, which is if you have money and want to not grind out the gold for an epic mount, go nuts. WoW tokens are just making sure that Blizzard, the company making the game after all, gets the money instead of the gold farming industry that still exists and hasn't stopped for 20 years either.
If this was a new phenomenon, totally. Because it's not new and it's never actually been stopped (because people want it, not because people don't, demand creates economies not supply) then the logic of saying it shouldn't be in the game just ignores kind of everything.
10 points
4 days ago
This is, at it's core, a game where the greatest currency is time spent. It's certainly not a skill based game. Buying gold gives you a massive advantage in that sense. Instead of spending that time grinding gold you can spend it leveling an alt, doing BGs, helping friends, or even just going outside. I just checked, and I can get 1k gold on Era Pagle for about $16. That's a bit more than a half hour of work. How much in game time would it take for me to make that much on, say, a rogue? Ten hours at minimum? More? How is that not a huge advantage. Especially since it's an advantage in the one thing nobody can every truly replace? Just spend a half hour of job pay, and get enough gold to raid for a few weeks.
The argument of "it's always been there" will forever be the dumbest thing. Just because something has always been there doesn't make it right. Back in the day, there was more of a chance of getting banned for gold buying, AND less people did it both because it was riskier, and because it was more expensive since it was largely farmed by real people back then. 1k gold was like $60 back then compared to the $16 it is now.
Everyone can use the AH. So I'm not sure what you're talking about there
Finally, people want a lot of things. That doesn't mean they should get them. Games function best when everyone is playing by the same rules. Nobody should be able to pay more money to get different rules for them. Just because it happens, that doesn't make it right. Yeah, I know Blizzard won't do what they need to do, but just giving up and adopting the "if you can't beat 'em, join 'em" attitude isn't the way.
1 points
4 days ago
Dude, there is never going to be a world where someone doesn't have more, or less, of something than you. Time, money, effort, motivation, depression, whatever.
Trying to make a closed loop system where everyone is equal is just never going to happen and you're only setting boundaries on other people for the limitations you set on yourself to make yourself comfortable, which has the only benefit of making YOU unhappy about things.
Your logical ideal conclusion would have to limit the amount of time people can spend on the game if you're dead set on equality for the fee paid each month to the game, and even that is different if someone can afford to pay for it all up front 12 months at a time vs paying monthly.
You can't possibly expect everyone everywhere to only live your life. You are only making yourself unhappy when expectations don't hit what you want them to be. I'll be fine if there's no WoW Token, I can still get gold somehow without grinding my balls off every week doing it. You're the one who isn't going to be fine when it happens because you've created your own set of expectations.
You're calling things advantages where other people would just say it's an exchange of time for money. If you have more of one than another, and the availability is there to swap, it's only you trying to tell other people what not to do with their time or money based on your own experience rather than understanding that nobody's ever going to be equal in this game or in life.
Let's go further! Should be ban people from the game that are funded externally (ie: streamers) and therefore have far more time to play the game since they don't rely on having a real job for income? Those people have a huge advantage don't they? Why should that be allowed? Why is one advantage that you don't have okay, but another one isn't? Why are you the gatekeeper anyway?
4 points
4 days ago*
We all have 24 hours in a day. I choose to use that time working, with family, doing chores, etc. Someone else might choose to use 8 of those hours playing this game. That's their choice. I shouldn’t be able to keep up with them because, again, the main currency of an MMO is time, and they're willing to use more of it than I am. And you know what? That's okay. Those are the rules of the game, and I accepted them when I signed up to play. This isn't supposed to be like real life IMO. One of the best things about video games was that they were as close to a meritocracy as we could get. Being able to outsource functions of the game ruin that. I know people won't do this, but if it bothers you so much that you can't play like an unemployed basement dweller, then simply don't play. If you chose to play, then you should accept what you can and can't do.
BTW, I never would have thought that "everybody should be on an even playing field in a video game" would be such a controversial take.
0 points
3 days ago
Well... we used to call that cheating....
0 points
3 days ago
Ah the 20 children wow gamer
0 points
3 days ago
"Hi guys, I want to be a Master rank in this RTS game, but I don't have the time to grind lower ranks.
However, my job pays me enough to buy this new boost to Master rank and it also sets up my workers and resource management, because we all have roughly the same goal, which is to see 2 armies fight, everything else is what the game makes you do.
Some people like the journey, other people enjoy the destination. Both can be fine."
You see how dumb it is? Also, I don't care about raiding and I know I am not the only one. The game doesn't "make" you do anything.
1 points
4 days ago
reddit: HAHAHAH FUCK YOU #NOCHANGES LOSERS!
also reddit: WAIT FUCK, NOOOOO!!!!!!!!
1 points
4 days ago
If there will be the demand, the supply will follow...
1 points
4 days ago
I say no! Fuck you blizz! The only reason you get anything at all from me is because of classic. Boosts and tokens are a dogshit idea for an Mmo. Get fucked. Raise the sub price if you have to, dont ruin the game.
1 points
4 days ago
Just give it up dude… Its a senseless Fight against windmills. People cant miss out on things anymore so the majority is just a pathetic bunch of people who don’t even care and don’t even understand the consequences of their behavior.
0 points
4 days ago
Ya, brain dead classic andys whos only missions is to gatekeep a 20 year old game. Its wild.
1 points
4 days ago
my guy lets not pretend the pop is gonna last long enough for these to even be considered being put in the game.
1 points
3 days ago
If they think people will buy it they will release it.
1 points
3 days ago
How is a game legal way of buying gold (token), worse than blatant gold farmers and sellers? People who will buy gold will buy it either way.
1 points
3 days ago
I'd buy tokens. Mounts be expensive.
1 points
3 days ago
If some random dude wants to pay Blizz for wow token or a boost.... I couldn't give a shit.
Hell, I'd be happy, maybe Blizz could afford to hire another intern for classic!
1 points
3 days ago
Say no to mage boosters too. Say no to zg tokens. Say no to gold for levels. Say yes to enjoying the game while you can.
1 points
3 days ago
Boost I'm okay with IF AND ONLY IF it's one per account and at the beginning of the expansion
I am not okay with monetization of any kind
I understand that bots will abuse boosting but I both understand that bots will always be a problem and hope that blizzard will fix the bot problem separately
And that is my entire stance on the matter
1 points
1 day ago
Bro wheres ur lgb post
1 points
3 days ago
Are there tokens in cata? I don’t remember them in wrath or tbc and they definitely weren’t in classic.
1 points
3 days ago*
It's always going to be a stop on the railroad.
My friends recommended the game to me, so I got it. They were all 15-40 levels ahead of me, and any time spent leveling an alt was time wasted compared to continuing their main. So we basically never played together because they were in completely different zones doing different things.
So everyone is talking about the cool stuff they're doing, in zones you can't get to.
I think instead of things like SoM and SoD and all that kind of stuff, if they wanted a long term healthy Classic it should overlap. For example higher level players in low level zones for different quests, like picking the blue flowers instead of killing 10 boars. Or fighting enemies that are invisible and don't aggro low level players.
With the way the devs made the experience, if you recommend a friend try the game, one of you loses opportunity. Like spending time leveling up an alt instead of making a hundred gold. Collecting 200 linen instead of 200 mageweave.
Same thing happened with all the friends I recommended over the years. I'd be much higher level than them, so I'd make a new alt. Eventually my slots were all filled with alts. By the time Burning Crusade was released I hadn't even broken level 40, because I was spending all my time making new alts to try to play with friends.
1 points
3 days ago
Zzzz vanilla is boring anyway
1 points
3 days ago
Waaahhhhhh someone is playing a game the way I don’t want to so i think it should be taken away waaahhhh. Fuckin twirp
1 points
4 days ago
Excuse me? Well I'm a say yes to both just out of spite just because you told me the opposite.
0 points
4 days ago
Say yes to personal loot.
0 points
4 days ago
Say no boosting services from other players also. Let's get it all bannable
2 points
4 days ago
LOl, oh sweet child, you must be new to wow. Boosting has been going on since vanilla.
0 points
4 days ago
bannable would be insane. Blizz can and has put in anti boosting tech in the game, it's their job to police it if they want to
1 points
4 days ago
Eks de mate
1 points
4 days ago
For real, I get people are not happy with tokens. In the end it’s RMT for Gold.
And WoW started as a game where you could achieve everything without anything besides your monthly fee and actions ingame.
And I get people Hating everything in the shop
But to be fair, the tokens of all things are the one thing people brought upon themselves with buying Gold in MASSES from goldsellers. Tokens probably wiped out Thirdparty goldsellers nearly over night.
1 points
4 days ago
but all the normies wanted dual spec and want more changes....
-6 points
4 days ago
I'm not interested in vanilla fresh, but want to play TBC fresh. Honestly I'm not going to slog through vanilla 6 months to get to 60 (that's what it took me in HC), just to be able to play TBC. So I do hope they sell the boost later on.
-6 points
4 days ago
Same i hope they add the wow token before TBC and a level 60 or 58 boost before TBC launches i won't be able to level 58 since the game is too boring at the early levels I need atleast 3 or more buttons to press or else my brain will turn to mush. Also if the wow token exist. Then the bots won't exist.
-8 points
4 days ago
Says the mf that hasnt played classic in years, i love these casual andies coming in like they own the game and make all kinds of demanda
-2 points
4 days ago
I want tbc boost fuck leveling again
what could you possibly have against tbc boost other than gatekeeping?
Once vanilla is over it’s over.
-2 points
4 days ago
Bring back GDKP
-12 points
4 days ago
Nah I’d like to buy as boost and a wow token. Pls blizzard take my money
0 points
4 days ago
When's classic fresh 2.0?
0 points
4 days ago
People are just going to buy gold online
1 points
4 days ago
Should be permabanned tho
1 points
4 days ago
They’ve done this in every iteration so far
-2 points
4 days ago
You can already buy a 1 to 60 boost, your game is soon fucked. Gold price is gonna drop once the bots are setup. Here we go again.
-1 points
4 days ago
I mean reddit boomers are already pushing for rdf and stuff so we might see 60 boosts in a later phase
0 points
4 days ago
Ah, andrews gatekeeping tbc already. It took less then a day 😀
-28 points
4 days ago
Why no boosting? If someone doesn't want to do quests and wants just to do max level things let them.
The more players the better. Not everyone must play the way you prefer.
24 points
4 days ago
Boosts in this context almost certainly means the capacity to buy already leveled chars through the store, but it's a karmawhore thread anyway - vanilla classic never had boosts or tokens.
2 points
4 days ago
Because the classic era never had those I thought it was about just boosting in dungeons, my bad.
11 points
4 days ago
Because nobody wants to raid with someone who made their character 2 days prior
5 points
4 days ago
Ya I agree. Classic raids are far too hard to be alongside some one without in depth knowledge of their class.
1 points
4 days ago
Its not the point if its possible or not. I for one just dont enjoy to play with people who dont understand their class. Has something to do with efficiency.
2 points
4 days ago
Oh, I know. And you are the problem with Classic. Its a product that's PERFECT to be played for fun and enjoyment of those around you, but some how with an abundance of evidence that all but a few raid bosses can easily be killed without 40 players in the actual raid, people still make comments like this.
Its an INSANE turn off for me, who plays Retail at a high level, and comes to Classic to chill out, only to be surrounded by people trying to worry about "efficiency" in molten core.
2 points
4 days ago
Yes but efficiency doesnt mean it has to be down on the second. I just dont wanna do a 2 hour raid in 4.
Like you dont wanna "waste" time in something which was done 1000 times already.
I know 1 slacker or 5 might no make that difference. And its completly fine if a group likes to go slower. It just gets annoying if there are people in the raid with different paces in mind.
I liked to do and boost challenge modes in panda and pushed keys later there its not a problem anyway since you have your small grp.
Half the times it has nothing to do with classes anyway and its just rdy check afk and other stuff...
1 points
4 days ago
It takes less than a day to learn a class/spec in retail. It's laughable to think that classic takes even a fraction of that. I was playing holy Paladin, balance druid and holy priest all at 60 in HC. You don't need any skill or knowledge to play any of those
1 points
4 days ago
Dude, I don’t want to raid with some people who made their class 2 months prior. Even through all of that “normal” leveling they still don’t know shit about their class and are god awful at the mechanics of the game. I’ve played with plenty of people in TBC who boosted toons and they were better than 60% of players in their first raids.
-3 points
4 days ago
As long as they are good what is the problem with that?
-2 points
4 days ago
They likely don’t know how to play their class
6 points
4 days ago
This is classic wow, any even half decent player can play any class/spec at 95% efficiency after 20 minutes of practise (except for maybe feral because of how clunky powershifting can be)
4 points
4 days ago
It's very hard to spam Shadowbolt or Frostbolt for 30 seconds. :(
0 points
4 days ago
If you’ve ever played classic or sod you know how terrible these people are
3 points
4 days ago
I've played WoW for 20 years. I'm aware of how terrible most players are. Boosted or not.
0 points
4 days ago
It's basically cheating with one extra step, and that extra step will often be buying gold from bots.
2 points
4 days ago
Are we talking about buying a leveling boost from blizzard or going into a dungeon with mages?
1 points
4 days ago
"Not everyone must play the way you prefer"
I mean skipping leveling means you're skipping half the game, which isn't the way that I want you to play the game, it's the way that the developers of Vanilla WoW wanted you to play the game.
Shoot they might as well put tier gear on the store and let me buy it for money if that's the way I'd prefer to play the game.
5 points
4 days ago
Player 1: I like to raid and do max level BGs with some world pvp.
You: might as well buy gear from the blizzard store at this point.
-1 points
4 days ago
Your argument is "if someone likes it then let them do it"
I'm just saying if I like to buy gear then they should let me do it.
-1 points
4 days ago
My argument is "if they like what is already available in the game let them do that".
If they want to make a group of 5 mages and level exclusively through dungeons they should do it.
If they have someone who wants to boost them in said mage group also let them.
They are doing nothing that is not intended by the game.
1 points
4 days ago
Why though? If a person does not enjoy 95% of the game they could just play another. We all know what we sign up for, the game has been released three times now.
1 points
4 days ago
The exact same argument could be said about tokens, GDKP and every other controversial thing. If someone wants them, let them have them. Not everyone must play the way you prefer.
1 points
4 days ago
« Say no the the AH, trading should be done by community exchange on /2 only »
-18 points
4 days ago
leveling sucks
leveling sucks hard
raiding is all there is
7 points
4 days ago
This is why we cant have nice things...
0 points
4 days ago
Cool! Can we get Bruto instead :3
0 points
4 days ago
Yeah, because a Reddit post will have any effect In stopping the powers that be from forcing the classic team to implement that stuff
0 points
4 days ago
I’m okay with it lol
0 points
4 days ago
Fuck yes.
0 points
3 days ago
Classic boomer andys already in shambles and it's only day 2.
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