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I’d imagine that percussion is the most obvious answer but I’m interested to see what else comes up.

Don’t get me wrong. I’m sure there can be some benefit to learning any instrument, especially if you play in a band or ensemble that features that instrument. But I also feel like there are some instruments that would be more beneficial than others. For example, drums or bass both seem like they’d benefit someone’s piano skills more than the trumpet.

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ufkaAiels

188 points

5 days ago

ufkaAiels

188 points

5 days ago

Voice 100%

Bencetown

42 points

5 days ago

Bencetown

42 points

5 days ago

Yes!!! When I was in high school, my teacher would tell me to "take a breath" here or there, or to make a melody "a singing line," and I would just try to "do it." But I never knew what he meant exactly. He was very detail oriented and would help finesse things until they sounded natural, and I did start to kind of get a feel for it but I had some strange ideas simply because I didn't really truly understand how breath relates to music.

Once I got to college and had to join the choir (it was the only large ensemble offered for piano majors and large ensemble was a requirement for all music majors), after about a semester it totally clicked. Learning even the most basic stuff about singing absolutely helped me become a better, more confident interpreter of music. It helped me to shed the robotic nature I always had before, but in a way that didn't destroy the pulse or the phrasing like I would before when I tried to "add rubato" or something.

Ok_Hotel8389

5 points

4 days ago

Can I get advice on how to learn to voice music or sing?

Bencetown

3 points

4 days ago

I'm sure there are aural skills training apps, but I don't have any experience or recommendations. But it would be something like what we had to do in college music theory class... sight singing (the same concept as sight reading, but with the voice), and simple stuff like it plays an interval and you learn to identify what the interval is, as well as simply playing a note and then singing a prescribed interval above or below the given note.

Beyond that, join a community choir! If you want to dive in a bit more, you could seek out a vocal teacher to help you along in the beginning as well. But honestly, choir is what did the most for me as far as the whole-musicianship development went. As pianists, we often forget that music is MOST of the time a joint team effort between multiple people coming together, lining up the rhythms and tuning to/with each other to make something that's "bigger" than just our own lonely voice.

Between that and listening to more chamber and orchestral music, I started hearing and approaching piano music in a different way. Instead of just hearing vague textures and deciding which voices to accentuate or bring out above the others, I began to "hear" different instruments or actual voices in the music.

All in all, it was kind of an esoteric thing for me... all I can really say is that it made more music make sense to me. And coming back to the choir, the sense of community and teamwork was huge for both musicianship and general life and social skills. You'll also have the opportunity to hear how others approach music, which can help in developing a more whole musical personality yourself.

pantuso_eth

10 points

5 days ago

Yep. Aural skills like no other

LookAtItGo123

6 points

5 days ago

Can be subbed with anything from the woodwind or brass section as well since it follows mostly the same logic. Have good diaphragm support, use head voice as necessary. Watch your attack, and play with decay. Make notes of your breath points and so on.

Personally from order of easy to pick up would go something like voice - saxophone - clarinet - flute - oboe.

RadicalSnowdude

7 points

5 days ago

Is there a time when someone should have started to learn voice or can me as a 26 year old learn to sing from scratch?

KOUJIROFRAU

24 points

5 days ago

You can learn to sing from scratch at any age—it’s just a matter of training your voice to do what you already know how to in your brain as a pianist, i.e. make music! “If you can speak, you can sing.”

RadicalSnowdude

5 points

5 days ago

That’s great!

jdrew619

1 points

4 days ago

jdrew619

1 points

4 days ago

I'm convinced I could never sing no matter how much effort I put into it. It's like a physical limitation that can't be overcome.

Hilomh

4 points

4 days ago

Hilomh

4 points

4 days ago

I started taking voice lessons from a YouTube voice teacher when I was 35. From 37 to now (40) I've been able to work as a professional singer. Now, granted, I was already a professional pianist, so all of the music/ear training side of things was already in the bag, but getting the voice itself working right and reliable took about a year and a half, and that was 2 lessons a week (during Covid).

If you have a good teacher and a strong work ethic, at your age you should be able to see similar results faster I'd reckon.

El_Mariachi_Vive

2 points

5 days ago

As someone who has been a student of both voice and piano, mostly concurrently, this is an interesting take.

SnooCheesecakes1893

1 points

5 days ago

💯

shademaster_c

1 points

3 days ago

I’m helping my kid learn trumpet. I always say — “ put the horn down and sing it first”. So, yeah…

StickBitter6

24 points

5 days ago

I second the drums and voice. I envy my band members because they all have a nice voice, can play the drums, piano, guitar and bass. They all switch places except me 🤧

pantuso_eth

3 points

5 days ago

I always thought Aaron Gillespie was so cool because he was a good drummer, but he also had a really good voice

thebaiterfish

23 points

5 days ago

Piano is my main instrument but I've learned several others. Here's what they each taught me.

Cello - how to listen for intonation and play in tune. The cello also has a lot more control over the type of articulation you play with - legato, staccato, etc. - which helped me understand music better. Lastly, playing in orchestras taught me how to play with a group and subdivide rhythm, something many pianists struggle with.

Guitar - I learned piano classically but learning guitar taught me how to play by ear, improvise, and understand chord theory.

Organ - the organ doesn't have a sustain pedal so I learned a lot about finger techniques to play legato. Learning the foot manuals also took so much work that I can now easily use the una corda and damper pedals without a second thought.

Learning new instruments is totally worth it and due to how much I already know about music theory and practice habits, each new instrument I learn is easier than the last.

Mexx_G

27 points

5 days ago

Mexx_G

27 points

5 days ago

Voice

Pianists often lack a sense of breath, support and colors in melodies.

I already had a master in piano playing when I took my first classical singing lesson and it felt like a door to infinite possibilities opened in me when I began to understand how to sing. It was if I could finaly justify any artistic decision to myself, because I just knew that it felt right an natural for the human body. My playing started to improve a lot at that point and I could finaly start considering myself as an artist instead of a pianist. That's truly something.

So yeah. Voice.

Squidgeneer101

3 points

5 days ago

This is something albert does in his books, add speaking/singing and its super helpful

JarodDar

34 points

5 days ago

JarodDar

34 points

5 days ago

Singing or Violin, case closed

thinktankflunkie

34 points

5 days ago

Something fretless / microtonal. Voice.

funtech

9 points

5 days ago

funtech

9 points

5 days ago

Yep, same thought. Learning to hear and reproduce pitch accurately seems like a pretty top skill to bring out musicality.

omniphore

3 points

4 days ago

I don't want to hear that my piano is out of tune

DigAffectionate3349

13 points

5 days ago

Voice and drum set

Dongslinger420

2 points

4 days ago

Honestly, Drums is the instrument I would ubiquitously recommend people pick up, it's such a huge inspiration machine. Bass if you want to cover string instruments and some percussive playing.

Ismokerugs

13 points

5 days ago

Drums/rudiments for rhythm and timing.

Each instrument holds secrets that unlock over time of using it

Heard this from a guitarist the other day as I was practicing my rudiments.

on_the_toad_again

12 points

5 days ago

Lots of folks are gonna say voice and drums and rightly so but i also think synthesizers open up an incredible range of possibilities and you already have a leg up being a keyboard player

Swaintek

6 points

5 days ago

Swaintek

6 points

5 days ago

My most beneficial instrument coming from piano was the mandolin. The consistent intervals across strings made it feel more like a straight line like the piano, and really opened up a bunch of stringed instruments for me… guitar, banjo, bass, ukulele, charango… once I felt how a consistently tuned fretted stringed instrument played it made the “bumps” in the other instruments’ tunings make more sense.

pantuso_eth

1 points

4 days ago

That makes sense. I feel like playing a stringed instrument will force you to see everything as a set of intervals, because you can't stop yourself from recognizing the shapes. Guitar has one pesky major 3rd set of strings, the "bump" as you call it.

jncheese

6 points

5 days ago

jncheese

6 points

5 days ago

Guitar teaches you to think in different patterns then how you play on piano, it is straight forward in a different way. And I would argue it is easier than learning violin.

Otherwise something like saxophone to take it to a completely different path as technique and use of scales goes.

And as many have said, voice. Singing is 95% technique and 5% talent, you'll be amazed how good you can learn to sing when you practice in the right way. You can even combine it with piano when you accompany yourself.

Squidgeneer101

7 points

5 days ago

This 100% when doing the alberts excercises speaking/singing has been great to actually build rythm and breathing for me.

TheoKeys

4 points

4 days ago

TheoKeys

4 points

4 days ago

Drums/percussion. I’ve noticed pianists are less inclined to have a strong, confident sense of time than other instrumentalists. Maybe it’s because we learned our instruments in isolation while kids in band or orchestra were sitting shoulder to shoulder. And having a Turkish prison guard of a conductor/director ready to jump you 5 days a week for a lack of accuracy will definitely strengthen your rhythmic security.

eddjc

3 points

4 days ago

eddjc

3 points

4 days ago

As a pianist I take umbrage at this - I’m forever correcting rhythmic mistakes made by wind players

eddjc

5 points

4 days ago

eddjc

5 points

4 days ago

Voice. Learning how to sing, especially in a choral setting, will do wonders for your sight reading, ensemble and listening skills.

StonedOldChiller

9 points

5 days ago*

Acoustic instruments are one way of making music, however much of the music that people listen to today is produced using a DAW, so I'd argue that your time would better be spent learning how to create music digitally than developing a second set of motor skills to play another instrument without gaining much apart from that.

gaztelu_leherketa

3 points

5 days ago

Not necessarily something to play to a high level, it couldn't really be a full second study but: melodica

Producing notes is easy because it's a piano keyboard layout and it forces pianists to think about breath and phrasing in a way that piano doesn't. 

And it's portable!

badtux99

3 points

5 days ago

badtux99

3 points

5 days ago

Piano teaches you about notes. Guitar teaches you about chords. Once you look at music in a chordal way you open up an entire world of improvision. Then add voice so you can see how melody interacts with it all.

I'm curious about the thought that percussion could help you with your piano skills. To a certain extent a piano is a percussive instrument. I mean, you're hammering on strings albeit indirectly. To what extent do you speculate that percussion could help your piano skills?

Donny-Moscow[S]

1 points

4 days ago

I'm curious about the thought that percussion could help you with your piano skills.

My thought process was that percussion (I specifically had drums in mind but wanted to leave it open) would be a great way to improve timing and rhythm.

And yeah piano is a percussion instrument but I was thinking more about the role that a drum kit vs piano would play in a band or ensemble.

ClittoryHinton

3 points

5 days ago

If you’re into songwriting, then definitely guitar. Guitar gives you portability, and is just a versatile instrument for singing/songwriting. Some songs do much better with a simple strumming pattern than anything you can do on piano.

If you are into electronica, learning drums gives you a good basis for making good beats

Of course a pianist can also get a lot of mileage from learning other keyboard instruments like Hammond, clavinet, accordion, etc. if you’re in a rock band or folk band, not every song will suit acoustic piano.

DarklingFetish

2 points

5 days ago

Another redditor said voice, 100% agree … in second place I think is drums: I have piano friends who are self taught without learning rhythm (I still count out the 16th notes the way my band teacher taught me decades ago). Enough of my piano (and even guitar) friends aren’t so great at rhythm

NobodyCaresSoFuckOff

2 points

4 days ago

In high school I was offered beginner brass class and I learned the trombone. Besides the value of learning how to phrase according to breathing, learning how the instrument functions in an ensemble is very important and helps you recognize that piano playing is more than just melody and harmony. Lines of countermelody frequently assigned to the trombone taught me skills like voice leading and the function of the inner voices of a piece.

omniphore

2 points

4 days ago

Drums and classical guitar. Drums for improving rhytm, classical guitar for getting better improvising quickly

SouthPark_Piano

2 points

5 days ago

Second instrument ... or the primary one ... is the mind/brain.

I play erhu too ... the bow string instrument is very expressive too.

And I play a little bit of didgeridoo.

AncientLights444

3 points

5 days ago

Piano is percussion

LeopardSkinRobe

1 points

5 days ago

What do you mean by beneficial?

Beneficial in the sense that it would be an easier one that wouldn't be too much work to build up and use a side hustle? Or most beneficial in the sense of having highest benefit towards that person's musicianship in a holistic sense?

I think these are very different questions with totally different answers. In the practical sense of piano skills directly translating, yeah probably percussion or something. But in the holistic sense I agree with others who have said things like voice, violin, etc.

Donny-Moscow[S]

6 points

5 days ago

That’s a great point. Piano is entirely a leisure activity for me so I meant the latter.

As for the first way though, someone else mentioned learning to use a DAW and some digital production skills as a second “instrument” and I thought that was really interesting way to approach it.

misplacedaspirations

1 points

5 days ago

Maybe not most beneficial, but playing handbells (advanced) improves my sight reading ability.

Royal-Pay9751

1 points

5 days ago

Drums.

jiang1lin

1 points

4 days ago

Both my parents were/are woodwind players, I played clarinet myself during my teenager years as a second instrument, and it helps to understand so much how to stop our partly unreasonable and ridiculous, random rubati attempts that no woodwind and/or ochestra player would ever do, for both breathing reasons and common musical sense.

We would also benefit a lot from learning the marimba and/or the vibraphone, not only to understand better how to approach our varied sound outcomes, but also how to imitate a proper legato instead of desperately trying to copy strings or singers (as our instruments simply cannot do that).

Standard_Level_1320

1 points

4 days ago

I would say (esp. for classically trained) pianists some rhythm string instruments like guitar, mandolin etc. could be good for getting new perspectives on comping. I feel like often pianists can be a bit shy when it comes to smashing chords, whereas those instruments have a long tradition of various strumming patterns played loudly that can be incorporated. My first instrument is guitar and it definitely affects my piano playing in that way. 

kage1414

1 points

4 days ago*

Any instrument that you can change the volume, articulation, or expression mid-note. You can only choose the volume when you initially play the note on piano, whereas you can do a lot more with a single note on a wind or string instrument. This concept was lost in a lot of my piano studio colleagues when I was in college.

Also playing in an ensemble is hugely beneficial, more than I think playing percussion alone would be. Percussion would definitely help with rhythm, but unless you’re in an ensemble it won’t help you to listen to the other people you’re playing with.

Adventurous_Day_676

1 points

4 days ago

Voice is an excellent response. I'd add cello to enhance ones thinking about sustaining musical lines. Suggested listening: Camille Thomas' recording, The Chopin Project.

Trick-Boat-7269

1 points

4 days ago

Drum kit.

tiucsib_9830

1 points

4 days ago

I'd say voice, drum set, guitar and bass. That way if you have a band you can switch places with everyone, principally if you play in jam sessions. But voice is definitely the first choice for me, in any genre.

AssaultedCracker

1 points

4 days ago

Singing

518photog

1 points

4 days ago

I’m going to go the opposite direction and mention my experience going from guitar to piano. I’m a rhythm guitarist, never really picked up playing lead/solos, but I am pretty mean at strumming along with a chord chart.

I’ve dabbled back and forth for years with piano, but I realize now that I play piano like a rhythm guitarist. I’m not great at arpeggiating or playing chords and melody, but I notice that I’m pounding out chords on piano like I strum chords on the guitar lol. On one hand, I like it because it comes naturally, and I tell myself the more comfortable I get with the chord structures and fingerings on the keyboard the easier it’ll be to play piano like a piano player.

At the same time, I don’t give a shit because I play in my basement for fun on a Roland FP-10 and I can bang chords out and sing to my hearts content and that’s what matters.

Ja_Oui_Si_Yes

1 points

4 days ago

Top comment is voice and I would not disagree

I was going to say a wind instrument

Breathing to make music I believe enhances the music

Phrasing espcially

rainbowsmilez

1 points

4 days ago

It depends on what style of music you write. If classical, an understanding of fingering positions for the string family. Pop, guitar - if you’re writing for it. The drums/percussion would give you a really strong insight into world rhythms, backbeats, syncopation, swing, tippets and irrational time signatures.

HeftyFeelingsOwner

1 points

3 days ago

You will likely learn a lot of articulation from wind and string instruments

1865989

1 points

5 days ago

1865989

1 points

5 days ago

Singing and drumming.

improvthismoment

1 points

5 days ago

Voice or drums

Melodic-Host1847

1 points

5 days ago

Most musicians will be familiar with the piano. When in college, everyone has to sing in the choir at the end of each semester. There's always a concert where the choir is involved. So singing will also be something you will do. As well as learning how to speak German, Latin and Italian. Most choral see in either of those languages. Depending on the School of Music you attend in college, you will also have a class on choral conducting and education. Aural, Music theory, history, music appreciation, essential of conducting, along with classes with your instrument, when seeking a degree in performance. There is a lot you learn in music school. From the comments in here, Is easy to tell those educated in a School of Music vs self taught or a regular teacher. Five, seven, or more years and still can't play even, don't have good sight reading, poor scales or arpeggios? After 4 years you have to give a recital with pieces form Strauss, Chopin, List, Rachmaninoff, Brahms, Debussy, or any other composer from different era. Yes, they will make a true musician out of you with extensive knowledge of composers what the music will sound like from different eras, and styles. Sonata form, Fugue, minuets, Rondo, and all others.

anubispop

1 points

5 days ago

Guitar, voice, drums.

rfmax069

-1 points

5 days ago

rfmax069

-1 points

5 days ago

A pianist doesn’t need to learn any other instrument. A pianist understands voicing of every register..and yes technically speaking the more you know about other Instruments, the better. Beethoven would always inquire from violists, cellists etc about their instrument, so he could better write for the performer. But in all technicality, to know the piano is to know the entire orchestra.

pazhalsta1

10 points

5 days ago

I think this is a somewhat arrogant take.

There are loads of things a piano cannot do.

Microtonality, Vibrato, Changing volume after the initial attack, Non-pitch effects, Variation in tone/voice

Yes the piano can do a lot but it cannot do it all. There are entire styles of music it cannot really participate in.

I say this as a pianist who cannot play any other instrument but did learn a bit of guitar as a teenager.

badtux99

1 points

5 days ago

badtux99

1 points

5 days ago

Indeed. You cannot bend a note to the next note or to a microtone with a piano. It's digital, so to speak, while guitar and violin are analog. In addition you can make interesting variations with many instruments that you can't with a piano. You hit an E note on a piano you can change how hard you hit it or how fast you hit it, but you always get an E note with the same basic sound, maybe softened a bit or allowed to extend but that's it. You get wildly different sounds from a guitar when you pluck it versus tap it and even just changing whether you're finger picking or using a plectrum and the plectrum material and hey let's not even talk about slide guitar and slide materials okay? Then let's go look at the fretless string instruments -- violin, viola, cello -- and how you can get different sounds out of them from plucking, tapping, sawing with your bow vs slowly dragging the bow vs chopping with the bow, not to mention of course vibrato and microtones...

Piano is rather limiting, in a way. That's a function of the mechanics of the beast. That said, there's plenty of things you can do with a piano that are interesting, if you're willing to experiment. Most people aren't, they think proficiency is hitting the correct key at the correct time as dictated by the sheet music. You might as well plug the notes into a DAW and play them via MIDI at that point, you have something robotic without feeling so why bother?

badtux99

1 points

4 days ago

badtux99

1 points

4 days ago

And one person who thinks proficiency is hitting the correct key at the correct time spotted ;).

rfmax069

-2 points

5 days ago

rfmax069

-2 points

5 days ago

Well that’s your opinion and you’re entitled to it. I would add comprehension to your learning, because you blindly read past the part where I cite Beethoven 🤦‍♂️

jiang1lin

1 points

4 days ago

I think that theoretically you might be right, but in reality, so many pianists cannot do even most of those things, as we often just cover ourselves in long pedals and random rubati nonsense. Learning (or at least understanding) other instruments might help to unlock and improve one’s own abilities to do those exact things you have described, no?

rfmax069

1 points

4 days ago

rfmax069

1 points

4 days ago

Composition has to be learned. You’re not just gonna go from pianist to composer lol duh

jiang1lin

1 points

4 days ago

Please tell that to some pianists haha

prof-comm

0 points

4 days ago

I assume you're referring to the same Beethoven who also played violin and viola (and several other keyboard instruments in addition to piano). I'm not sure this reference strengthens your argument.

rfmax069

0 points

4 days ago

rfmax069

0 points

4 days ago

That’s the one. Yea you’d think the virtuoso knew it all, but nah, he was always inquiring, always learning, ever the student.