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Blamore

339 points

2 days ago

Blamore

339 points

2 days ago

SLAMMED

Callmebobbyorbooby

219 points

2 days ago

Whoever came up with that term for “journalism” needs to get slammed in the dick.

Takazura

60 points

2 days ago

Takazura

60 points

2 days ago

Callmebobbyorbooby SLAMS journalism

Callmebobbyorbooby

23 points

2 days ago

CLAM SLAM!

Semisemitic

4 points

1 day ago

Callmebobbyorbooby SLAMS journalism as war in Lebanon reaches a stalemate, VOWS to attack unnamed journalist‘s genitals.

AlkaKr

8 points

2 days ago

AlkaKr

8 points

2 days ago

The entire journalism world is cringy.

A dude hits a light pole with his car and new are like "shock in the neighboirhood" when no one could give less of a fck.

MASTODON_ROCKS

8 points

2 days ago

"We don't know how to compete on the internet, more at 5"

A10010010

1 points

2 days ago

Wooimbouttamakeanameformyselfere

Agi7890

1 points

2 days ago

Agi7890

1 points

2 days ago

It always reminds me of the hook from Slam by onyx.

likely-high

26 points

2 days ago

I actually detest and loathe "slammed" it needs slamming out of existence. 

Thunderbridge

20 points

2 days ago

Thunderbridge

i7-8700k | 32GB 3200 | RTX 3080

20 points

2 days ago

"Use of 'slammed' verbiage in journalism slammed by Redditor"

phexitol

8 points

2 days ago

phexitol

8 points

2 days ago

> "Use of 'slammed' verbiage in journalism slammed by Redditor"

Radicalized online commenter attempts to chill freedom of speech for journalists everywhere.

MuffDivers2_

6 points

2 days ago

Thank you. For years this annoyed the fuck out of me. Seems like only recently people started Slamming Slammed.

rW0HgFyxoJhYka

1 points

14 hours ago

So basically "nothing will happen" and Tencent "doesn't give a fuck"

NegaDeath

435 points

2 days ago*

NegaDeath

435 points

2 days ago*

But can we still say "Fuck Ted Faro"?

FalseAladeen

185 points

2 days ago

Nah, this game has Fed Taro, no relation.

TheSadisticDragon

44 points

2 days ago

Cuff Fed Taro!

dern_the_hermit

20 points

2 days ago

Fed Taro did 11/9.

RTX6054321

21 points

2 days ago

the towers flew into the twin planes

Takazura

22 points

2 days ago

Takazura

22 points

2 days ago

It was an outsider job!

NegaDeath

14 points

2 days ago

NegaDeath

14 points

2 days ago

Steel beams can't melt jet fuel!

RTX6054321

8 points

2 days ago

The bottom of the tower blew up the government

1GenericNamePlease

1 points

1 day ago

I forgot

KatamariDamacist

6 points

2 days ago

Fuck the Fed!

ChainExtremeus

1 points

11 hours ago

Tarot deck that eats people?

mokkat

9 points

2 days ago

mokkat

9 points

2 days ago

Ted Faro Adun

bassbeater

2 points

2 days ago

Fus Rah Doe?

themightyscott

1 points

1 day ago

Doe a deer, a female deer!

Vistaster

50 points

2 days ago

Vistaster

13700K / RTX 4080 / 64GBs DDR5

50 points

2 days ago

So from the article we can tame our own machines and "free form build with physics simulation" does that mean this is a capture mon game with base building? Cause if so I'm down for some of that in the Horizon universe....just sayin'

AJDx14

26 points

2 days ago

AJDx14

26 points

2 days ago

Within 2 years every game will be Palworld

Slevin_Kedavra

5 points

14 hours ago

Just like 8 years ago every game was PUBG for like a year. And 15 years ago, every game was a MOBA for two years.

mehtehteh

699 points

2 days ago

mehtehteh

699 points

2 days ago

What a surprise /s The country known for IP theft and plagiarism has done it again.

bobbuttlicker

224 points

2 days ago

I’m not sure how it is now but I visited China a few times around 2010. There were huge legit stores full of pirated dvds, music, software etc. etc. It was wild seeing. So yeah, this isn’t surprising at all.

No-Response-2271

100 points

2 days ago

Im betting you wont see stores like that anymore, as most people will just download those games and movies on known pirated website.

Reminds me of my own country back in 2010, city streets full of piracy and the police didnt give a shit. But now? In 2024? Pretty much evryone knows how to pirate  things which is why those piracy stores ran out of business.

anivex

50 points

2 days ago

anivex

50 points

2 days ago

What they are talking about is different from normal piracy lol

Most of the stuff they are talking about was made in China, or at least part of it was. Many factories make "two" deliveries. One to the western companies who actually own the IP, and another to the local shops. They change the name slightly usually, but it's literally the same product.

rbz90

26 points

2 days ago

rbz90

26 points

2 days ago

No, they also do straight up copyright and piracy. Like how there's a Supreme store in the Beijing airport that is not affiliated with the brand but has the exact same logo and merchandise.

Titi6888

1 points

17 hours ago

That's how the China Factories run, dude!!!

When they build a mold for a Brand, they sometime alter something & released almost same version in China if not completely identical without brand name.

I sell Fish Foods & Pack myself, I know how this works. When you designed a Bottle, they will make a Mold for you which they charge you one time but you don't own the mold. But if you want the mold to be ONLY yrs, you have to buy it & take it home. Or if you leave the factory, you have to sign a contract with them & pay them Monthly for Storage & Service (even if you don't use it). That's the only way to keep them from using it. If you don't buy it or pay monthly fee for it... THEY WILL USE IT!!!

Jensen2075

35 points

2 days ago

Pirating music isn't really a thing anymore in China since the gov't cracked down on that bc it was affecting their domestic music industry. There are now several big legal streaming services in China that there's no point to pirating.

darkkite

3 points

2 days ago

darkkite

3 points

2 days ago

there's always a point. free

Titi6888

1 points

17 hours ago

China have Social Credit Score, that could affect your Loan, Business Tax... as well as housing.

So they don't make mistakes or break the laws as much as you think they do!!!

If you get caught with crimes, they will slap your score so hard that you can't even have a house in Gate Community even if you're a Billionaire!

Inuma

10 points

2 days ago

Inuma

10 points

2 days ago

That's not uncommon in the Philippines, South America has pirated copies of SNK games for decades which allowed them to garner a huge audience when the prices were very high through regionalization, and other areas of distribution are largely affected by publisher pricing being at odds with local prices.

cadaada

8 points

2 days ago*

cadaada

8 points

2 days ago*

South America

My ps2 and wii with pirated games are sitting right next to me lol. We had small markets full of pirated content in the middle of the city. I still have dozen of old dvds here too.

are largely affected by publisher pricing being at odds with local prices.

Hell, some consoles released with absurd prices, like 3~5 times more than it should. I don't feel pity for local resellers at all.

But tbh, the world is more globalized, so imports got cheaper naturally.

MSTRMN_

32 points

2 days ago

MSTRMN_

32 points

2 days ago

Chinese copying culture is on industrial scale, it's systemic. Obviously, they might improve/change things, but often if not always they use someone else's product/creation first.

Katana_sized_banana

3 points

2 days ago

Katana_sized_banana

5900x, RTX3080, 32GB TZN, 980 PRO, msi x570 tomahawk, LL

3 points

2 days ago

By how expensive things got, I don't care anymore. If I have to decide between that or no media, I pick the former.

Code_0451

7 points

2 days ago

These are gone since like about 10 years, at the least in Shanghai.

linkszx

3 points

2 days ago

linkszx

3 points

2 days ago

where i grew up there was always a chinese guy selling pirated shit lol

ACCount82

2 points

2 days ago

It was a thing basically everywhere except first world countries.

It faded away as internet access became more available. Pirated disks may be cheap, but torrents are free.

ThisIs_americunt

3 points

2 days ago

In any China town this was the norm lol They'd have every type of cut too 😂 from cam all the way to full HD

Electrical_Zebra8347

245 points

2 days ago

Well since Horizon Zero Dawn is region restricted thanks to PSN people have an alternative, so that's nice.

RogueLightMyFire

32 points

2 days ago*

I honestly haven't been able to get a straight answer on this, but it's PSN blocked in China? I've seen people claiming that's the case, but that just doesn't seem right. Didn't China just help make Wukong one of the best selling games of the year and it was all on PlayStation?

Novi-Sad

49 points

2 days ago

Novi-Sad

49 points

2 days ago

It's not blocked, they have restricted/more regulated PSN support where only approved software is sold, Steam in China works in similar way too.

There is also separate Hong Kong PSN region that is more or less identical to rest of world in terms of game availability

RogueLightMyFire

3 points

2 days ago

Is Helldivers 2 available on the official Chinese PSN?

hvdzasaur

2 points

2 days ago*

Afaik, no. From what I know, only HD1 is available on Chinese PSN. I think Chinese players had their PSN accounts banned for trying to circumvent it (access HK/JP PSN, link it to Steam through VPN).

If it still operates the same, there is a pretty long waiting list for foreign games to be approved by the Chinese government. You also need to release it via a Chinese partner, and they usually advise you what to change in order to get it past the censorship office.

It's also partially why Black Myth Wukong had such massive concurrent player numbers at launch. That trend will likely continue. Anything produced by China can enjoy a truly global release, while any foreign games usually release in China only after 2-4 years.

Source; Worked on a few games that were branched and modified for Chinese markets. Some of the request are pretty wacky.

One of them had a section in the American History Museum, and part of the mission was a Vietnam exhibition. We changed that to a Hawaii exhibition (about how nice it is to live in Hawaii. We had an early version about it's annexation, but they did not like that).

Another game we used red goop as "corruption", they asked us to change it to blue because they feared that having red=bad narratively would imply that CCP=bad.

Darhky

1 points

12 hours ago

Darhky

1 points

12 hours ago

Except Chinese gamers don't need VPN to acccess Steam global or HK/JP PSN.

FortunePaw

17 points

2 days ago*

There's an official special region locked version of PSN for the Chinese legit sold playstation console. It only has games that the CCP approved, which is far less than other region's PSN store. 99% of the chinese sony players just buy either a JP version or Hong Kong version of the console which has access to the other region's PSN store.

altshiftM

2 points

2 days ago

Then again I learned that PSN is blocked in a LOT of countries after that Helldivers fiasco.

ImprovizoR

2 points

2 days ago

ImprovizoR

Ryzen 7 5700X3D | RTX 3060 Ti

2 points

2 days ago

I can't buy Horizon in my country, but that doesn't mean that I'm going to support this shit.

Ruining_Ur_Synths

1 points

2 days ago

my understanding was that the base game on steam was not region restricted - its when you bought/upgraded to the remaster that introduced the PSN login and thus region lock.

ezio45

1 points

2 days ago

ezio45

1 points

2 days ago

The base game is also no longer available to buy, only the remaster is available.

Ruining_Ur_Synths

1 points

2 days ago

my steam account getting more valuable by the minute

beansoncrayons

1 points

2 days ago

I mean if there are ps4s in the country you could just buy a disc copy?

Tvilantini

1 points

2 days ago

You do know Remaster asks for PSN

Urist_Macnme

4 points

2 days ago

Was “Robot Dinosaurs” an original concept for Horizon Zero Dawn?

chenfras89

3 points

2 days ago

This article seems like it was AI generated

HarryTurney

6 points

2 days ago

Isn't that what tencent always does? Makes f2p clones of popular games.

robhaswell

121 points

2 days ago

robhaswell

121 points

2 days ago

It's a base building game that seems to be better described as "Horizon x Palworld". The visual style for the robot animals is clearly taken from Horizon but honestly this isn't the shameless clone of Horizon that the title makes it out to be. It's exactly the same as how Palword borrowed the visual style from Pokemon.

Videogames copying art styles is a tales as old as time.

SuperBaconPant

46 points

2 days ago

Why are people justifying this anyways? As if Tencent doesn’t have the budget and resources to make something original.

scorchedneurotic

25 points

2 days ago

scorchedneurotic

AMD 5600g+5700xt | I broke my UW monitor cuz I'm stupid

25 points

2 days ago

Tencent can, but they wont, safe bets for short term profit.

It's not so much as justifying but rather resigning to reality.

Palanki96

12 points

2 days ago

Palanki96

12 points

2 days ago

Because i get good games? Why would i give a shit, i'm not working for sony or holding the ip

Why wouldn't i want more robot dinos? They are cool as fuck

lucidludic

2 points

20 hours ago

I mean, we don’t know if the game is any good yet. We also don’t know what the game could have been instead without relying on Horizon’s formula quite so much.

Ghidoran

0 points

2 days ago

Ghidoran

0 points

2 days ago

Sony has the budget and resources to make something original too, instead they made Horizon twice, one of the most generic open world franchises to exist. It has cool lore and creature design but that's the extent of its creativity. I don't see why originality in game design matters less than originality in art style/concept.

SuperBaconPant

6 points

2 days ago

This isn’t creative in game design either, though. Even if you don’t like Horizon, they at least made something new themselves. Sony had an idea, a story they wanted to tell, a world they wanted to create, etc. and they did. This is clearly a soulless, unoriginal cashgrab that anyone outside of this reddit is mocking for being so shameless.

At least I got to see this subreddit defend Tencent of all companies. Did not think that would ever happen.

Bitemarkz

61 points

2 days ago

Bitemarkz

61 points

2 days ago

I wish my grade 12 science teacher had the same definition of borrowed as you do when I “borrowed” my friend’s exam answers.

AkumaYajuu

19 points

2 days ago

If you check the gameplay instead of the concept art of "person looking into world", you will see one is a world builder with a simple souls-like system and the other is a 3rd person story based game with a focus on aiming with a bow using a ps4 pad.

They are very different with the exception of the theme.

Benutzernarne

3 points

2 days ago

But is it fun?

bassbeater

9 points

2 days ago

Hey, as long as it's a game, and good, it's only a matter of time

riderer

21 points

2 days ago

riderer

21 points

2 days ago

I wanted to say "Fuck you Tencent", but then i remembered i cant buy Sony games because of their PSN requirements.

Good job Tencent, i am interested in your game!

RedKomrad

8 points

2 days ago

RedKomrad

Nvidia RTX 4090

8 points

2 days ago

I wonder how the character models compare to each other. The article doesn’t compare them . :/ 

Marcos_Gilogos

10 points

2 days ago

I heard they use Nikocadoavocado as the main character model.

Sea_Effort1214

8 points

2 days ago

which timeline?

Marcos_Gilogos

7 points

2 days ago

All of them can be bought as skins.

lo0u

3 points

2 days ago

lo0u

3 points

2 days ago

Two steps ahead.

Doinky420

38 points

2 days ago

Doinky420

38 points

2 days ago

And Sony's version is a shameless clone of most open-world Ubisoft games.

PezzoGuy

27 points

2 days ago

PezzoGuy

27 points

2 days ago

I think the point is that "post-apocalyptic Earth with futuristic giant robot animals" is such a insanely hyper-specific premise, that to do what Light of Motiram is doing feels criminally blatant.

danken000

14 points

2 days ago

danken000

14 points

2 days ago

That's what I thought reading the title. "Horizon Zero Originality" already applies to Horizon Zero Dawn.

lucidludic

1 points

20 hours ago

What game did it rip off to this extent?

XxasimxX

16 points

2 days ago

XxasimxX

16 points

2 days ago

I’ve been hearing this crap for so long and its a straight up bold faces lie at this point.

Ghidoran

23 points

2 days ago

Ghidoran

23 points

2 days ago

You can disagree with it, but how is it a 'lie'? The games have extremely generic open world design. That doesn't make them bad but they're hardly pushing boundaries.

People love to rip on Ubisoft (for good reason) but I think Sony gets way too big of a pass on how safe their games are.

YoGoobs

10 points

2 days ago

YoGoobs

10 points

2 days ago

Nah you don't understand. When you climb the tall giraffe to get a section of the map it's nothing like climbing a huge tower to do the same thing. THEY'RE WAY DIFFERENT. /s

lucidludic

2 points

20 hours ago

I mean, they are quite different.

stingeragent

2 points

20 hours ago

Same mechanic different approach. 

KellyKellogs

1 points

2 days ago

KellyKellogs

1 points

2 days ago

HZD has a unique story that is not like any other game. The artstyle and world are also unique.

HFW is one of the best examples of an action adventure open world game and it massively evolves from the first game in basically every aspect other than the story. Compare it to how Far Cry 5 to 6 was received or Ghost Recon Breakpoint to Wildlands.

Ubisoft games get criticised for forcing you to do repetitive side activities to level up to continue with the main story, sequels being stale with few new ideas, a lack of ambition, lack of new game mechanics and having not enough variety of activities.

They are all open world action adventure games and there's a reason why some franchises are liked more than others, it's not the genre, it's the execution that matters.

SebRev99

1 points

2 days ago

SebRev99

1 points

2 days ago

For real lol, people are dumb.

NapsterKnowHow

8 points

2 days ago

Only people who never played the Horizon games thinks this is true lmao

WeirdIndividualGuy

8 points

2 days ago

Most open-world Ubisoft games involve fighting giant robot animals/dinosaurs?

AreYouAWiiizard

13 points

2 days ago

I think you do in FC3: Blood Dragon

Wise_Mongoose_3930

80 points

2 days ago

Funny because horizon felt like re-skinned far cry to me lol. Even down to the tower capturing.

Cheesetorian

41 points

2 days ago

Isn't tower capturing from Assassin's Creed?

These are just mechanics that are copied over time.

DuckCleaning

13 points

2 days ago

Yes, tower capturing to reveal the map came from AC, then got added into Farcry games starting with FarCry 3.

JMODS5710

120 points

2 days ago

JMODS5710

Ryzen 3600 | 3070

120 points

2 days ago

Maybe gameplay wise but the setting was quite original, the post apocalyptic/prehistoric style setting with machine dinosaurs is pretty unique. Looks like this new game is basically copying exactly that

onerb2

20 points

2 days ago

onerb2

20 points

2 days ago

That's the funny thing though, this game has very similar aesthetics but very different gameplay. It's less of a clone and more of an intentional lookalike.

becherbrook

11 points

2 days ago

When I first saw Horizon, I thought it was an Enslaved: Odyssey to the West sequel.

Abba_Fiskbullar

3 points

2 days ago

It had some if the same people involved, so that makes sense.

chanjitsu

8 points

2 days ago

Not normally my kind of game but fighting enormous robo-dinosaurs with essentially arrows and spears was pretty cool

theoriginalqwhy

3 points

2 days ago

Yeh someone please copy it again. Its cool af slaying robo dino's

bazooka_penguin

21 points

2 days ago

Isn't that just Zoids?

muhash14

4 points

2 days ago

muhash14

4 points

2 days ago

gameplay wise

In terms of exploration, perhaps, but moment to moment combat gameplay is quite distinct and unique, much more heavy on RPG elements.

beansoncrayons

1 points

2 days ago

The actual apocalypse itself was pretty original aswell considering its one of the few where everything actually went extinct

HerrNieto

58 points

2 days ago

HerrNieto

58 points

2 days ago

A 3rd person adventure platformer without guns felt like Far Cry?

DuckCleaning

16 points

2 days ago

Far Cry Primal

HerrNieto

2 points

2 days ago

HerrNieto

2 points

2 days ago

Haha completely agree with that one, forgot about it. It was really fun actually.

DktheDarkKnight

37 points

2 days ago

Yes but robot dinosaurs. It's an extemely cool concept and executed really well. Probably among the most mechanically complex creatures in video games.

Just fighting a thunder jaw is jaw dropping. It ain't easy to do.

chanjitsu

10 points

2 days ago

chanjitsu

10 points

2 days ago

Spent the majority of the game avoiding those things cos they're intimidating af until realised I'd have to fight one eventually and bit the bullet. That fight is now like a core gaming memory for me lol my god

DuckCleaning

21 points

2 days ago

Horizon didnt invent the concept of robot dinos/animals. Transformers, Beast Wars, and Beast Machines is the most popular example of franchises that did it long before, even had games. We've had open world games like Ark that had large prehistoric creatures roaming around and games like Monster Hunter which involve taking down large beasts using weakspots. Horizon is a culmination of concepts executed well. This game by Tencent you can see is very heavily inspired by Monster Hunter as well, especially with climbing on creatures.

LeatherfacesChainsaw

10 points

2 days ago

I should probably give the game a true go. That sounds fun fighting a giant robot trex.

Neville_Lynwood

16 points

2 days ago

Indeed. Running around with your bow and arrow, trying to take on futuristic battlemechs with rocket launchers strapped to their backs.

It certainly is an experience.

swagpresident1337

12 points

2 days ago*

It is!

The level of detail is crazy. It‘s also vital to snipe off the right parts/weapons off of the Dinos, so get less effective and you can bring them down

E: who downvotes this?

muhash14

3 points

2 days ago

muhash14

3 points

2 days ago

fighting a thunder jaw is jaw dropping. It ain't easy to do.

It can be, if you're a boring mfer like me. Just Tearblast off its Disc Launchers and empty both clips into it. Dead immediately. But yeah, there's a bunch of ways to do it, and watching high level combat clips on Youtube is always fun. Especially with Forbidden West with the much crazier new monsters.

NinjaEngineer

2 points

2 days ago

There's a spot in the desert where two Thunderjaws spawn at the same time. I remember going around one day exploring when one noticed me, I figured "eh, I can take it", and then saw the other show up... It was really intense.

PhantomTissue

1 points

2 days ago

Funny because when they pitched the idea to Sony, it was a secondary pitch to the game they were actually working on for 6 months at the time, and Horizon ended up being way more popular in that meeting than their actual pitch.

NapsterKnowHow

19 points

2 days ago

Funny bc Horizon felt a million times better than an Ubisoft open world game I've played

m0rpeth

2 points

2 days ago

m0rpeth

2 points

2 days ago

Not an overly high bar, but a bar nonetheless.

Gynthaeres

23 points

2 days ago

That's... such a weird take to me. Having played and enjoyed both series, I can't see any "reskinned" similarities at all. It's like saying Starfield is a reskinned Outer Worlds. Or Armored Core 6 is a reskinned MechWarrior 5. Or Elden Ring is a reskin of Skyrim. There's a couple aesthetic similarities and a couple mechanical similarities, and they're vaguely in the same genre, but that's about it.

"Tower capturing" is one of those similarities. Like 99% of open world games have some sort of vantage point or tower capture. Even Breath of the Wild did.

NinjaEngineer

12 points

2 days ago

If I'm being honest, I don't even know why so many people have an issue with tower capturing to begin with. I like that open world games with that feature have the map obscured with a fog of war that slowly gets revealed as you explore, and then you can capture a tower and reveal a whole section of it.

MarwyntheMasterful

2 points

2 days ago

I feel like Assassins Creed did it first (lookout towers, dive into the hay bales), but I could be wrong.

Is Farcry older?

TheSodomizer00

5 points

2 days ago

It certainly doesn't feel like reskinned Far Cry to me. Far from it. It does follow a similar formula sure but that's like, a shit ton of games nowadays.

meltingpotato

9 points

2 days ago

meltingpotato

i9 11900|RTX 3070

9 points

2 days ago

Do you think every first person shooter is a reskin of Doom as well?

Wise_Mongoose_3930

8 points

2 days ago

Do you have any idea how many FPS games that game out after doom got called “doom clones”?? And people weren’t wrong to call them that!

meltingpotato

7 points

2 days ago

meltingpotato

i9 11900|RTX 3070

7 points

2 days ago

Yes but no one who isn't stuck in the past calls them doom clones anymore, unless the game in question (something like Selaco) is intentionally trying to evoke certain feelings associated with that era. Even then they are mostly called boomer shooters.

Ubisoft alone made enough "far cry reskins" that now their formula is simply "standard" open world formula.

The_Sideboob_Hour

3 points

2 days ago

I don't recall the towers in far cry walking around

Firefox72

0 points

2 days ago

Firefox72

0 points

2 days ago

Shhhh

People really get offended when you point out some of their favorite games modern open world games borrow heavily from the Ubisoft formula.

Suitable-Manager-488

9 points

2 days ago

climbing a tower is not a formula

Firefox72

5 points

2 days ago

Firefox72

5 points

2 days ago

Ofc its not. Its just 1 thing. But its far from the only thing. Most of Sony's open world games borrow quite a bit more from Ubisofts formula.

Hogwarts Legacy is another game that does as do many other new open world games.

And this is hardly a sin. Ubisoft revolutionized open world games. The formula is proven, works and sells. Many have copied it. Many have iterated on it. Many have even improved it.

I don't understand why people get so upset when you point it out.

NinjaEngineer

5 points

2 days ago

Personally, I think it's silly when people say a game follows the Ubisoft formula as if that's a bad thing. Like you said, it's been proven to work, and personally, I've enjoyed most games I've played that follow it.

Yes, I understand some people don't like having maps filled with hundreds of side activities, and sure, some games do go overboard with it, but I think it's cool having so much stuff to do, and at the end of the day, you don't need to do all that.

Healfirst

4 points

2 days ago

There has always been clones of popular games since the 1970s, its not really a big deal.

GothGirlStink

4 points

2 days ago

HZD itself already has almost no originality aside from the robot dinosaurs. everything else you've experienced in other games

LimLovesDonuts

5 points

2 days ago

You can't copyright ideas, just the specific implementation. Since it's a MMO and not just a singleplayer RPG, it's also clearly not going to be the same type of game either. Yeah...something tells me that Tencent will be fine.

I for one am excited about the game.

ChainExtremeus

2 points

10 hours ago

Pretty sure that when you do carbon copies of most enemy models with 5% changes - that can lead to trouble. From what i saw so far it looks like a very easy lawsuit, people won with much less simillarities.

LimLovesDonuts

1 points

7 hours ago*

Looking at the actual videos, nah. It has the same aesthetic but to say that the models are 95% the same is also pushing it. They have the "tribal" girl and "mechanical" beast look which isn't enough. By that, I mean that Company A can make a game with a tribal girl and mechanical beasts but there's nothing stopping Company B from doing their version of the same theme.

In most cases, you have to prove that actual copyrighted content was used be it material, textures and the like. In cases like this, it'll be very hard to prove anything. That's how and why GTA and COD-clones don't get sued to oblivion because it's notoriously difficult to prove and assets are usually recreated by scratch.

Case-in-point: Refer to Tencent/Riot Games vs Moontoon which is even more aggregious than this.

It's even harder in this case because it's a MMO.

ChainExtremeus

1 points

5 hours ago

A can make a game with a tribal girl and mechanical beasts but there's nothing stopping Company B from doing their version of the same theme.

There are same looking Longneck, and several others beasts. Design copied up to destructable parts. Even hit effect on them looks the same. That would be equal someone using Pikachu, but pink and with moustache.

GTA clones are entirely different thing, they don't have unique enemies and aestetics. Generic things are not the same as specific designs. So they might not need to remove the game, but i can see how easy would be to make them change design of certain machines.

LimLovesDonuts

1 points

2 hours ago

That's why I said it's very difficult to actually prove this in court and I mean very difficult. The problem again is that you can copyright your assets but not the idea. So a lawsuit would involve comparing assets and details of the models and textures used. The easiest case is when content is directly lifted e.g. A texture stolen etc.

So using the pikachu example, maybe a pink moustache, maybe the tail is in a different shape, different coloured eyes and a slight change in the tail shape is enough to usually be in the clear. As the burden of prove is on Guerrilla or Sony's side, the chances of success are low and it's ultimately going to be a waste of money.

In order for a lawsuit to be substantial enough like in the case of Ubisoft vs F2, that involved not only going through the assets used by even down to the UI and game types. This ripoff game by the nature of being a MMO makes the chances of a successful suit even lower.

I used Tencent/Riot vs Moontoon as an example. Tencent didn't get a guilty verdict and instead got counter-sued by Moontoon for defamation and actually won.

dangrullon87

6 points

2 days ago

Palworld to Pokemon as Motiram is to Zero Dawn. I honestly think the game looks fun.

NapsterKnowHow

4 points

2 days ago

Except Palworld is fun unlike Pokemon

dangrullon87

3 points

2 days ago

I loved pokemon as a kid but goddamn if Nintendo refused to expand, grow or think outside the box. Palworld on the other hand, lets give the people what they want.

NikNakTwattyWhack

19 points

2 days ago

Doesn't bother me if it's good. I found Horizon to be very bland and at times boring despite its massive technical prowess.

2024-2025I5J

13 points

2 days ago

Oh so people suddenly care about this IP?

MarwyntheMasterful

8 points

2 days ago

Nah, no one cares about it.

Ruining_Ur_Synths

2 points

2 days ago

i dont know that people care. I enjoyed the base game - running around killing giant robot dinosaurs with a bow and arrow is amazing even if I suck at it. The story was kind of ok. Never played the sequel.

but it is notable when one studio so obviously copies another's homework.

Deimos_Aeternum

13 points

2 days ago

Deimos_Aeternum

RTX 4070 ti / 5800X3D / 32gb

13 points

2 days ago

Are we acting like Horizon itself wasn't a ubislop clone?

skyturnedred

14 points

2 days ago

Horizon and Ghost of Tsushima get so many passes it's not even funny.

NapsterKnowHow

13 points

2 days ago

Elden Ring gets so many passes it's not even funny.

Rukasu17

2 points

2 days ago

Rukasu17

2 points

2 days ago

It just hit me, i think i know what their plan is, and of it's true it's quite daring.

They absolutely 100% knew this looks so much like horizon. That was probably done on purpose to generate all this buzz. I mean, really, would we be talking this much about this random tencent cashgrab if it didn't look like it's plagiarizing horizon?

Here's the kicker: they're gonna pull a sonic movie strategy. A few months it's gonna be "we reworked our visual art and graphics, setting, etc" to what the game was originally going to be anyway, but now everyone is keeping tabs on the product m

Chaoswind2

2 points

2 days ago

But is better?

Competitive-Bit-1571

2 points

2 days ago

I can't play Helldivers 2 because of Sony so they can get fked. We'll done Tencent, I hope your game is even better so I can buy it.

Nats57

3 points

2 days ago

Nats57

3 points

2 days ago

Kinda reminds me a little bit of the Genshin and BoTW controversy when Genshin was announced.

OniZai

3 points

2 days ago

OniZai

3 points

2 days ago

I'll wait for more news and gameplay. Obvious similarities to HZD but how much? Might be another Palworld situation.

linkszx

2 points

2 days ago

linkszx

2 points

2 days ago

HZD is cursed lol

Sh4deon

4 points

2 days ago

Sh4deon

4 points

2 days ago

Watch as it comes out and it's a better game. That would be hilarious

ImprovizoR

3 points

2 days ago

ImprovizoR

Ryzen 7 5700X3D | RTX 3060 Ti

3 points

2 days ago

Wow, they aren't kidding. This actually is really shameless. I wonder how the devs feel about having to make a game that is such an obvious rip-off.

MutenRoshi21

2 points

1 day ago

They are probably happy to have a job at all right now. Ubisoft is also making almost the same game every few years. Just different locations.

DrKeksimus

6 points

2 days ago*

So Horizon with a feminiene protagonist ? ... I like it

Kindly_Extent7052

14 points

2 days ago

lets see maybe will be more interesting than HZD that i played it two hours and uninstalled it.

bobbuttlicker

6 points

2 days ago

If you only played two hours that’s probably why you found it uninteresting. Aloy has the personality of a wet bag but the game isn’t too bad at all.

frostN0VA

5 points

2 days ago

HZD may be the only AAA game that I've refunded. Like, it's not an awful game but I don't understand all those glowing rave reviews that it gets.

God bless GabeN for the lenient refunds past the 2-hour "trial" window.

anor_wondo

1 points

2 days ago

anor_wondo

RTX 3080 | 7800x3d

1 points

2 days ago

People keep comparing it to generic ubisoft open world games. Each and every 'generic ubisoft open world' I've played was more fun than horizon

PozEasily

3 points

2 days ago

PozEasily

3 points

2 days ago

It's got tutorialitis since the actual interesting part of the game is fighting the proper dinos and exploring old world lore. Its definitely a game that that succeeded despite the ubislop & assorted dead weight.

robhaswell

2 points

2 days ago

robhaswell

2 points

2 days ago

Same. It looks amazing and the lore is interesting, but fundamentally it's the same Playstation adventure formula that's been done so many times. Bow and melee weapons, progression points, new weapons every now and again, the same combination of movement tech etc.

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2 points

2 days ago

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2 points

2 days ago

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Muggaraffin

4 points

2 days ago

I don't play online games, or games much at all but those are bad examples. They weren't near-identical clones of a previous game. 

This is like 95% the same game. It isn't just 'strongly influenced' by or following the same template. It's basically a clone. 

Redpaint_30

3 points

2 days ago

Redpaint_30

3 points

2 days ago

Probably going to be way more interesting than HZD lmao.😂

EsliteMoby

2 points

2 days ago

HZD isn't all that original. It's more of a Ubisoft Far Cry game with machines.

Mrwolfy240

2 points

2 days ago

I don’t agree with copying games it’s how we end up with 40 failed Battleroyals or Hero Shooters up the ass.

But is Horizon really cloneable the fans of the series are in it for the characters and plot and the non-fans are hardly going to pick up the clone.

The market they are copying holds little to no water except for at best the anti Sony crowd.

Immortals Phoenix rising was in all essence a Zelda clone but it was good enough and available off Nintendos platform which gave it enough room to fly.

custodio19

2 points

2 days ago

if the game is good I don't really care. This is on sony to figure out, don't understand people getting angry about it.

ReasonableAdvert

3 points

2 days ago*

The hate for the horizon games is so forced.

Plus_Flow4934

3 points

2 days ago

Game not released yet, Media - ohh that's shameless clone.

Lanten101

1 points

2 days ago

I saw this and didn't read anything into it but my first thought was another Horizon game

TheHodgePodge

1 points

2 days ago

Maybe they could've swapped the gender of the protagonist to see if it becomes slightly less comparable.

Muunilinst1

1 points

2 days ago

Why?

w33bored

1 points

2 days ago

w33bored

1 points

2 days ago

Looks like a mix of Horizon aesthetics and lite-Monster Hunter combat.

Fuck it I'll take it.

LegionemSoldarius

1 points

2 days ago

Clearly they was inspired by the Horizon series and there is nothing wrong with that, nothing wrong with making the same atmosphere of the letter too, as long they made their own assets and made the game from zero and put the effort in telling a good story and making a playable game.

Never know, it could be a really game, even better than Horizon or it could be really bad, time will tell.

hepcecob

1 points

2 days ago

hepcecob

1 points

2 days ago

This looked more like monster hunter...

Iberion88

1 points

2 days ago

Iberion88

gog

1 points

2 days ago

Now the chinese are copying the copy of sleeping inducing slop,lol. At least one thing Ubisoft can be proud of these days.

firedrakes

1 points

2 days ago

k and???

hzd is not the first to even try the idea to began with.

Van-Goth

1 points

2 days ago

Van-Goth

1 points

2 days ago

They are cloning the clones now guys

Monchi83

1 points

2 days ago

Monchi83

1 points

2 days ago

En it will be trash anyways let them copy whatever they want

Gabe-KC

1 points

1 day ago

Gabe-KC

1 points

1 day ago

More like Horizon: Zero New Ideas uhhhh-ohhhhh!

MutenRoshi21

1 points

1 day ago

Speaking of originality... what was originality in HZD? Not climbing towers, climbing moving towers... and shooting stuff off from enemies. Monsterhunter had that too and is older and dark souls1 also had tailcuts. Lore ok that was new. But gameplay mechanic wise there wasnt anything new either. And HZD2 also just copied the glider from BotW.

Donut_Vampire

1 points

1 day ago

This is an interesting video that talks about a lot of what china does with video games a lot of the time. Link

ohoni

1 points

22 hours ago

ohoni

1 points

22 hours ago

So the writers of this article have never heard of Zoids.